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Good afternoon everyone. I hope everyone had a great thanksgiving.

I am hoping for some advice... I just finished step 1 and got my score back 2 days ago, I got a 226. I am an American who went to a Caribbean school, and now I am interested in going into anesthesiology.

I am hoping someone could give me some advice, or send me to a link that lists what exactly I need to do from here in order to maximize my chances at securing a residency in anesthesiology.

Thank you very much for any help you can provide me with.
 
Everyone is going to say "search the forum", because truly this has been discussed MANY times before.

I cannot speak from experience as I am a US allo grad, but there are things that you can do which will improve your chances of matching.
First, there will be programs which are biased against Carib grads. You likely already know this. This means that you will likely need a longer list of programs to apply to next year than an american grad with similar scores etc..
I did an away rotation at the program of my choice and I think it helped my chances of matching. IF you have the opportunity to do one or two, I would. Generally for american grads an away is not necesssary, but in your case I think it can help you convince a program first hand that you are in fact well trained (assuming of course that you are).
Take step 2 early enough that you can use your score to your advantage. There are some prgams that do care about this score.
If you want to know about the nuts and bolts of the Match, then read teh NRMP webpage.
There are residents on this board who are in your shoes, so if you search the posts, you can figure out who they are. PM them any detailed questions.
 
Is a 226 generally accepted to be a "competitive" score for a Caribbean graduate?
 
I got a book that lists all the residences and the median scores for each and 218 was listed as the score for anesthesia... I was kind of hoping this meant my score would be competitive.
 
I got a book that lists all the residences and the median scores for each and 218 was listed as the score for anesthesia... I was kind of hoping this meant my score would be competitive.

1) you need to buy a newer book
2) with a 226 you'll be lucky to match, especially since you're applying next year and it's only getting harder
 
je -

For US grads, I think 226 is probably an okay score, but remember you're not gonna be a US grad. I suppose a different discussion could be held over whether or not it's fair to hold Carib grads to different standards, but the truth is it's not a level playing field.

For example, the anestheisology residency program at my medical school will not interview you. 206, 226, or 286 - there's no Step 1 score that will get your foot in the door, simply because of where your medical school is. Other programs may want stellar scores, not just "pretty good" scores, in order to interview you.

The long & short of it is this: for any given score, it will likely be more difficult for you to get an interview for an anesthesiology residency when compared to a US grad.

dc
 
If you're curious about number of ranks / probability of matching ratio, then go to the NRMP webpage, and download the "Charting the Outcomes of the Match" pdf. It has the numbers you're looking for and is based on data from the 2011 (or 2010) match. 226 is a little below average for a typical US grad matching into anesthesia.
 
Good afternoon everyone. I hope everyone had a great thanksgiving.

I am hoping for some advice... I just finished step 1 and got my score back 2 days ago, I got a 226. I am an American who went to a Caribbean school, and now I am interested in going into anesthesiology.

I am hoping someone could give me some advice, or send me to a link that lists what exactly I need to do from here in order to maximize my chances at securing a residency in anesthesiology.

Thank you very much for any help you can provide me with.


the only thing you can do now is get >240 on CK, do as many aways as you can and hopefully know your ****, show that you're not lazy, or not a total tool. remember to apply wide, apply to backup specialties if need be.
 
If you consider the NRMP Data:
US IMG's have a 50% match rate overall.
79% percent of PGY1 anestehsia spots went to US grads.
Table 12 shows that there were 68 US IMG's applying for anesthesia. They had a 1.5% match rate. So, you'd best be considering a back up plan.
Perhaps I'm misconstruing the data, my apologies if I am, but I think it's amply demonstrated that IMG's, even US born, generally have a very tough time matching into anesthesia.

When looking at other NRMP match data like the 2009 data set, you have to compare your board scores with those of other IMG applicants, not the US grads.

The number of ranks needed to assure a 95% chance of matching for IMG's was around 20, so you'll need at least 20 interviews.

Regarding step I: The number of matched IMG's equalled the number of unmatched IMG's at board scores of 231-240. The number of IMG's matched exceeded the number unmatched once board scores exceeded 240.
For a score of 226, there were 18 matched compared to 47 unmatched.
The data for step II are pretty similar.

IF you chart the probability of matching as a function of Step 1 score, with a score of 260, the probability of matching was 80%. So, to answer your initial question, a 226 is not competitive.
 
Do not be discouraged by what you read on the SDN forums. If you truly want to do anesthesiology then do not let a few opinions get in your way. A 226 is nothing to hang your head about but being a FMG will make it a little more difficult. At this point, try to find programs where people in your shoes have matched in the past. Talk to PDs, residents, etc and advocate for yourself. Do an away rotation, (these help unless you are a jackass). Do an away and try to get a letter of recommendation from a faculty member. Also, when choosing an away rotation, do one at a place where you have a legitimate chance of matching, not a pipe-dream program because it probably will not help much.

I have met many FMG's on the interview trail this year at very respectable programs. Do your best on Step 2, apply broadly, save money for interview travels. If you want to do anesthesiology, it is attainable. Just work hard and you will find somewhere that will train you well. Good Luck.
 
If you consider the NRMP Data:
US IMG's have a 50% match rate overall.
79% percent of PGY1 anestehsia spots went to US grads.
Table 12 shows that there were 68 US IMG's applying for anesthesia. They had a 1.5% match rate. So, you'd best be considering a back up plan.
Perhaps I'm misconstruing the data, my apologies if I am, but I think it's amply demonstrated that IMG's, even US born, generally have a very tough time matching into anesthesia.

When looking at other NRMP match data like the 2009 data set, you have to compare your board scores with those of other IMG applicants, not the US grads.

The number of ranks needed to assure a 95% chance of matching for IMG's was around 20, so you'll need at least 20 interviews.

Regarding step I: The number of matched IMG's equalled the number of unmatched IMG's at board scores of 231-240. The number of IMG's matched exceeded the number unmatched once board scores exceeded 240.
For a score of 226, there were 18 matched compared to 47 unmatched.
The data for step II are pretty similar.

IF you chart the probability of matching as a function of Step 1 score, with a score of 260, the probability of matching was 80%. So, to answer your initial question, a 226 is not competitive.


Is that 2009 data? even still doesn't make sense that only 68 IMGs applied for anesthesia.


the link someone posted above has the 2011 match data. First the tables are divided into US seniors and independent applicants, IA's are FMGs (i,e, an Australian native going to an Australian medical school, finishing residency there and working as a Consultant and then moving to the US or wants to move to the US) IMG, (US citizens going abroad for med school.) DO applicants to allopathic programs, US seniors who didn't match in previous years or are switching residencies. It showed that in 2011 there were 1404 anesthesia spots offered. 1136 number of US seniors applied, of those 1095 matched and 41 didn't match. There were also 476 Independent applicants (the tables don't tell us how many IMGs or FMG's or DO's or whatever applied ) Of the 476 IA's 242 matched. Not sure where you got that only


Average step1 score for IA's who matched was 229, and 213 was the average for those who didn't match. the average Step2 scores was 231 for those that matched and 216 for those that didn't. The average IA who matched had 7.7 ranks on their rank order list, (that could mean they had less than 7 interviews because some programs have categorical and advanced spots and thus would count as 2 ranks on the list. Those who didn't match only had 2.8 ranks. Graph on page 30 shows that having 4 or more interviews gives you a greater than 50/50 chance of matching. last year 37 IA's had 4 interviews of those 21 matched and 16 didn't. So you don't need to have 20 interviews to match and in fact chances are you won't get any where near 20 interviews. To have a 90% chance of matching you need to have 13 to 14 contiguoug ranks which could mean 10 interviews if 3 of those programs offered both advanced and categorical spots.


OP, I guess it's getting much tougher to match in anesthesia, and unfortunately there's isn't much you can do in a short time that will improve your chances of matching. #1 obviously rock step2 and applying with a complete application on sept1 should be a given. You should have all your LOR's and Step2CK and CS scores uploaded to ERAS during the first week of september. Apply to as many programs as you can afford to, obviously it's a waste of money applying to places that have never taken an IMG, I would say you can save money by not applying to big names, unless of course you have something really special about you, (in 2010 a girl matched into Brigham and Womens from SGU) Of course her grades and bored scores were well above average but she also spent a few years living in LA, and was an extra in a few movies and was in a few commercials/tv shows, not to mention she was HOT, this field is dominated by men). You can also probably avoid applying to california (unless you're from there), NYC is getting tough too. #2 Schedule your anesthesia away rotations now, to get the dates that you want you have to schedule stuff 1 year in advance. Also do SICU or MICU rotation. Don't take a lot of fluff rotations during your 4th year, I did a surgical sub-I, ICU (ours was a mixed unit), and cardiology, as some of my electives. Anesthesia is huge on the ICU, I did a total of 6 weeks in the unit where I helped taking car of surgical, medical and neurosurgical patients. it would be like any typical rotation, we would take care of 1 to 2 pt's and present them on rounds and write notes and follow up on consults did scut work. I worked my ars off and preformed better then some interns on that rotation and that got me an impressive LOR from the Chair of ICU, anesthesia programs really liked that and asked me a lot about seemed to them like an extensive ICU experience. I also Joined the ASA during my 3rd year and read the abstracts of the journals.

Do a few away rotations and kick butt,. How to kick butt, Start IV's on pt's in the pre-op, Do the pre-op, present the pt to the resident or attending. Read baby miller to not be clueless about the drugs, be more vigilant then the resident/attending, if an IV bag is about to run dry get a new bag, you notice that the ETCO2 is getting low or high ask why they would want to keep it that high or low in this situation, this points that out to them and doesn't make them feel stupid because the medical student noticed that before them. Be proactive, help push the pt into the room, help applying monitors, help by taking the stretcher out of the room. know where the storage area is and be able to get stuff if something is needed, like more LR or an NG tube or an LMA. While in the OR if you remember reading a study from the anesthesia journal that relates to the case in some way bring it up, I would do this all the time, and found out that not too many people read our journal, probably program dependent. Learn to chart vitals and help by charting. Lastly never turn down a procedure and if alone with an attending or a senior resident ask to do as much as you can. I did spinals, intubations, IV's, felt the resistance and then loss of resilience to an epidural, and saw a bunch blocks. Talk to attendings and residents about getting involved with research, maybe you'll get lucky and there might be a paper ready to be published someone just needs to do some busy work and you might get a publication which might help with some programs.

Basically work your butt off for the next year and if you're lucky you'll match into anesthesi, because plenty of people do all this and still don't match, because what everything comes down to is do the attendings and residents think you'd be a good fit for the program, (it's like rushing a fraternity people need to like you.) You can do everything perfect and still not match, so have a back up plan, for me it was IM prelim year and then work my butt off to transfer into categorical IM and do a CCM fellowship. Hopefully your grades especially core rotation grades are awesome and you're not that far behind the ball, but your 226 is bellow average. good luck.
 
What about matching into the bottom rung programs? The worst of the worst. The type of program that needs to have an envelope full of cash ready to go in order to pass accreditation
 
Good afternoon everyone. I hope everyone had a great thanksgiving.

I am hoping for some advice... I just finished step 1 and got my score back 2 days ago, I got a 226. I am an American who went to a Caribbean school, and now I am interested in going into anesthesiology.

I am hoping someone could give me some advice, or send me to a link that lists what exactly I need to do from here in order to maximize my chances at securing a residency in anesthesiology.

Thank you very much for any help you can provide me with.

Do your best, take step 2, apply wide and kill your interview. I am a USIMG. Both my wife and I ended up at our #1 pick and received excellent training. Don't let the debbie downers take fuel from your fire. You've made it this far. Congrats. 👍

As with everything in life, aim high. If you get knocked down, get back up and get back in the fight. You will get there. Good luck.
 
http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2011.pdf

226 was this past years "Average" for AMG matching into Anes.

An average score is 221 on this exam for test takers? one mean above average is 243? I'm having a hard time downloading the file.

I noticed a very high correlation with Step 1 Scores and those choosing to match into the highest paying specialties. Coincidence? I think not.
 
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What about matching into the bottom rung programs? The worst of the worst. The type of program that needs to have an envelope full of cash ready to go in order to pass accreditation

that's what it takes get into one of the programs you're talking about.
 
that's what it takes get into one of the programs you're talking about.


I thought you were in Residency now? Finishing in 2014 then a fellowship.
I get it. Your back-up plan was Internal Medicine if you didn't match into anesthesia. In the end, you got a residency spot.
I assume you are saying that with your scores and grades you wouldn't get that same position today?
 
Do your best, take step 2, apply wide and kill your interview. I am a USIMG. Both my wife and I ended up at our #1 pick and received excellent training. Don't let the debbie downers take fuel from your fire. You've made it this far. Congrats. 👍

As with everything in life, aim high. If you get knocked down, get back up and get back in the fight. You will get there. Good luck.

I read somewhere that you went to my program, I wonder how different it was back then. We're slowly making changes for the better, we have a new chair on the way that will add a lot to the department, or at least that's what most of us are hoping for. Always good to see people from my program succeed 👍

OP you definitely have a chance at matching in anesthesia, it will just take a lot of planning and doing things a head of schedule and working hard.
 
I thought you were in Residency now? Finishing in 2014 then a fellowship. Are you an Anesthesia Resident or Internal Medicine?

I am an anesthesia resident, CA-1, in the midwest. But I am not that far off from applying, and was just telling them what I did when I applied 2 years ago. And that's what I had to do to get interviews, and from what I am hearing from current applicants it's gotten worse for imgs.
 
Even though I finished/completed a top ten anesthesia Residency I did interview at one where all the applicants looked these guys. I'm pretty sure anyone would have matched into that program.


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I am an anesthesia resident, CA-1, in the midwest. But I am not that far off from applying, and was just telling them what I did when I applied 2 years ago. And that's what I had to do to get interviews, and from what I am hearing from current applicants it's gotten worse for imgs.

Midwest or Mid-atlantic?
 
I am an anesthesia resident, CA-1, in the midwest. But I am not that far off from applying, and was just telling them what I did when I applied 2 years ago. And that's what I had to do to get interviews, and from what I am hearing from current applicants it's gotten worse for imgs.

I understand the situation. Every year there are more and more MD/DO graduates finishing Medical School who are competing for a relatively fixed number of Residency positions. Even though some new positions have been added over the years the total number of open Residency slots vs. number of medical students continues to decrease ever year. In a few years matching into Family Practice will be tough.

The cut in GME funding will only make a bad situation worse.
 
Do your best, take step 2, apply wide and kill your interview. I am a USIMG. Both my wife and I ended up at our #1 pick and received excellent training. Don't let the debbie downers take fuel from your fire. You've made it this far. Congrats. 👍

As with everything in life, aim high. If you get knocked down, get back up and get back in the fight. You will get there. Good luck.

I second that. OP, I am a USIMG and matched to a decent program in 2010. Follow RussianJoo's an Sevo's advice. To add to that:

1. Apply to >70 programs. No, that is not too many. Look at the match lists for SGU, Ross, AUC, Saba, etc and see where their students have matched into anesthesia IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. Use that to start compiling your list.
2. Apply to IM as back up, but only at programs in big university settings that also have anesthesia programs. Most important is to match to an anesthesia program first go-around. If that doesn't happen, matching into IM and switching into anesthesia later is next best. I have a few friends who have done this. So, start thinking of Medicine programs to apply to and to rank at the bottom of your list.
3. Also, as for planning anesthesia rotations, you are a little behind. Get going. You need to have those completed before Aug. The programs will hold July and August spots for the American students. That means you need to do it in March - May and get your LORs.

Feel free to PM me.
 
First off let me start by saying I am greatly appreciative for everyone's thoughts and opinions, and most importantly the encouragement. Now I have so many questions though...

I am currently waiting for rotations from my school and I am not sure when I should begin planning elective rotations. I feel it would be beneficial to me to do at least a few core rotations before I begin doing electives. I want to be comfortable with the hospital atmosphere before I go into electives where I am trying to prove my worth.

Also, I plan on going all out on step 2. I worked hard for my 226 on step 1, and I'm going to work even harder for step 2. My goal here is to get a minimum of 240. In your experiences is going from a 226 to a 240 possible? I feel as though I was above a 226 on step 1, and some of the questions on my test just didn't fall my way (I think if I took the test 5 times I'd probably average around a 230... so 226 was roughly where I assessed my knowledge to be.)

I'm going to be a staple on this forum over the next 2 years so it's really great to hear from so many of you. I want to make myself the best possible applicant I can be, and I really appreciate all your words of encouragement.
 
I went from 223 on Step 1 to 270 on Step 2. Not an FMG/IMG but it still definitely helped open doors.

USMLE World.

Very nice. What did you do differently to make such a large improvement?
 
First off let me start by saying I am greatly appreciative for everyone's thoughts and opinions, and most importantly the encouragement. Now I have so many questions though...

I am currently waiting for rotations from my school and I am not sure when I should begin planning elective rotations. I feel it would be beneficial to me to do at least a few core rotations before I begin doing electives. I want to be comfortable with the hospital atmosphere before I go into electives where I am trying to prove my worth.

Also, I plan on going all out on step 2. I worked hard for my 226 on step 1, and I'm going to work even harder for step 2. My goal here is to get a minimum of 240. In your experiences is going from a 226 to a 240 possible? I feel as though I was above a 226 on step 1, and some of the questions on my test just didn't fall my way (I think if I took the test 5 times I'd probably average around a 230... so 226 was roughly where I assessed my knowledge to be.)

I'm going to be a staple on this forum over the next 2 years so it's really great to hear from so many of you. I want to make myself the best possible applicant I can be, and I really appreciate all your words of encouragement.

USMLE world is key, go through it as many times as you can and be sure to read the explainations, even on the questions you answer correctly. Doctors in Training is a pretty good lecture series, I thought it was pretty helpful.
 
How much did the jump in step 2 change your interviewing? What doors did it open? What kind of place did you match at? I received an OK step 1 but not stellar and am hoping to rock step 2. This is certainly optimistic news for people who are in a similar situation as you!
 
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