For all the Biomedical Engineers out there

[soonereng]

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I am engineering undergrad and I think many of you need to get off this right now...

Not sure whom the many are that you are addressing this to. I have seen no elevated equestrian jockeys in this thread. 😀

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I don't think engineering majors look down on non-engineering folks unless they're majoring in something like history or English, which basically entail creatively spitting what your professor told you during class back onto exams and papers to get a good grade (at least at the college level). Even then, I'm pretty sure that this is just a coping mechanism, b/c deep down, they're kicking themselves for making college more difficult than it had to be -- at least I feel that way😉

Man, you guys are digging your hole deeper and deeper. Former history major here. Possible future internist. I've already been insulted twice in this thread. 😡 Can't you all talk about how smart you are without bashing the rest of us? So from this thread I've gathered that engineers like to solve problems, don't like to memorize things, look down on all doctors who don't do ortho and get their kicks off of thinking about how lazy all those loser english/history majors are. Wow, you guys are winners. 🙄

 

[Wizard of Oz]

Don't be dissing Doctor Bagel around here. Not only did she out-perform most of her admitted class on the MCAT science sections, she still manages to make us left-brained folks look bad come test-time.

Definitely agree about needing more stickies...

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Don't be dissing Doctor Bagel around here. Not only did she out-perform most of her admitted class on the MCAT science sections, she still manages to make us left-brained folks look bad come test-time.

Definitely agree about needing more stickies...

Yeah, what he said. 🙂 Just waiting to see who our brilliant engineers will try to bash next. General surgeons (you know, 'cause all smart surgeons do ortho)? Philosophy majors because engineering is the true academic cornerstone of our schools?

Just a warning to the IM basher, you might want to keep that opinion to yourself in medical school. I suspect most of the doctors you'll come in contact with your first two years are internists because they seem to be well represented in pre-clinical medical education.

 

[Northerner]

Anyone is welcomed to read this thread and even post, but if someone feels inferior because they think their own major is/was meaningless or inferior to engineering, then I don't see how that is our fault. I am still an undergrad...

This says it all.

Although it's adorable that you think the people in here pointing out how snobby you all sound are all jealous of you, consider a little humility and realize we're all medical students and find people trying to set themselves apart based on what undergrad major they are (were) to be dowright pathetic. Set yourself apart based on your medical school performance. This is about the only place your undergraduate major may be worth anything - an online circle jerk with other people desperate for acknowledgement of their worth.

Yeah, what he said. 🙂 Just waiting to see who our brilliant engineers will try to bash next. General surgeons (you know, 'cause all smart surgeons do ortho)? Philosophy majors because engineering is the true academic cornerstone of our schools?

Just a warning to the IM basher, you might want to keep that opinion to yourself in medical school. I suspect most of the doctors you'll come in contact with your first two years are internists because they seem to be well represented in pre-clinical medical education.

Not to mention, they'll feel pretty stupid when they fall in love with cardiology in 3rd year and have to bear the abject shame of telling people they're trying to match IM.

 

[soonereng]

Just waiting to see who our brilliant engineers will try to bash next.

How about lawyers? Just kidding Bagel.

Also pointing out that I have bashed no undergrad majors nor medical specialties...I like all the specialties.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

How about lawyers? Just kidding Bagel.

Also pointing out that I have bashed no undergrad majors nor medical specialties...I like all the specialties.

You're an okay engineer in my book. 🙂

 

[soonereng]

This is about the only place your undergraduate major may be worth anything...

****START OF RANT****
Notherner,

Not sure how you get to school in the morning, but if you get there by a car, bus, train, or boat, you have engineers to thank for that. If you drive on a road, you have engineers to thank for that. If your medical school has buildings that don't fall down on you, you have engineers to thank for that. When you look at all of the fancy medical equipment that you someday want to use, you have engineers to thank for that. When you put all that money you're going to make as a doctor in a secure bank vault, you have engineers to thank for that. If you have indoor plumbing with drinkable water, you have engineers to thank for that. When the water is warm when you take a shower, you have engineers to thank for that. When you fly on a plane, you have engineers to thank for that.

***END OF RANT***

I could go on until I was tired of typing, but I won't. An engineering degree is worth a lot. The comfortable lifestyle of our society is built on the developments of engineers.

All you have done since you first posted in this thread is bash engineers. Again it seems that you have some issue with engineers that I will just leave as insecurity. The reason I think it is insecurity is that from the time you have posted on this thread you have bashed engineers. People who aren't insecure about themselves don't bash others for no reason. Bashing must make you feel better about yourself. Perhaps next session we can work on your Oedipus complex (and you still haven't sent me my $350 from our first session). 👎

 

[Northerner]

****START OF RANT****
Notherner,

Not sure how you get to school in the morning, but if you get there by a car, bus, train, or boat, you have engineers to thank for that. If you drive on a road, you have engineers to thank for that. If your medical school has buildings that don't fall down on you, you have engineers to thank for that. When you look at all of the fancy medical equipment that you someday want to use, you have engineers to thank for that. When you put all that money you're going to make as a doctor in a secure bank vault, you have engineers to thank for that. If you have indoor plumbing with drinkable water, you have engineers to thank for that. When the water is warm when you take a shower, you have engineers to thank for that. When you fly on a plane, you have engineers to thank for that.

***END OF RANT***

I could go on until I was tired of typing, but I won't. An engineering degree is worth a lot. The comfortable lifestyle of our society is built on the developments of engineers.

All you have done since you first posted in this thread is bash engineers. Again it seems that you have some issue with engineers that I will just leave as insecurity. The reason I think it is insecurity is that from the time you have posted on this thread you have bashed engineers. People who aren't insecure about themselves don't bash others for no reason. Bashing must make you feel better about yourself. Perhaps next session we can work on your Oedipus complex (and you still haven't sent me my $350 from our first session). 👎

soonereng,

When you contemplate the fact that a monkey like yourself knows how to read, you have english majors to thank for that. When you pick up your biochem textbook that's helping you somehow pass an exam, you have a biology major to thank for that. Not sure how you get to school in the morning, but if you get there by a car, bus, train, or boat, you have business majors to thank for that. When you turn on the television to watch Desperate Housewives, you've got Theater majors to thank. When you get your windshield cleaned in a seedy area of town, you've got Communications majors to thank.

No one said engineers weren't valuable members of society. Engineers are very important, crucial members of society. We were saying YOU (decidedly not an engineer by profession, a medical student like the rest of us) coming here and glorifying yourselves as if medical school education is below you, in a way that says you think you're on a higher intellectual plane than the rest of us is pathetic.

All I've done is bash engineers? Not once, actually. I've criticized the people in this thread who talk like they're above their colleagues, before starting, even. And not for being engineers, but for being egotistical. Egotism knows no undergrad major. I don't want to hear it, and apparently neither do others. Exlawgrrl is right, you have been until now rather amiable. I have patience - I'm willing to assume you just misunderstood my posts and ignore your silly insults. I'm sure I have a lot of majors to thank for that.

 

[Robizzle]

*Grabs popcorn*. This is awesome.

 

[soonereng]

When you contemplate the fact that a monkey like yourself knows how to read, you have english majors to thank for that.

I actually like to thank England for that, and they like to thank us back because without us, they'd be speaking German.

Not sure how you get to school in the morning, but if you get there by a car, bus, train, or boat, you have business majors to thank for that.

Without engineers, business majors have no products to sell, and anyone can sell stuff if people need it, just look at medicine.

When you turn on the television to watch Desperate Housewives, you've got Theater majors to thank. When you get your windshield cleaned in a seedy area of town, you've got Communications majors to thank.

And I thank them all, especially the communications majors.

We were saying YOU (decidedly not an engineer by profession, a medical student like the rest of us) coming here and glorifying yourselves as if medical school education is below you, in a way that says you think you're on a higher intellectual plane than the rest of us is pathetic.

I have actually practiced engineering for 6 years and have my professional engineering license. I am going to medical school to have a more hands-on, instant gratification type of contribution to society through medicine. I have never said that I was on a higher intellectual plane than anyone, nor have I stated that medical education is below me.

All I've done is bash engineers? Not once, actually.

Ah, you have me on semantics here. You weren't actually bashing engineers, just your personal concept of engineering majors who are in med school. From your first post in this thread you have done nothing but bash.

Egotism knows no undergrad major. I don't want to hear it, and apparently neither do others.

I don't like egotism either. There have been a couple posts in this thread that could be interpreted as egotism, but perhaps they weren't intended as such. I know mine haven't been intended as being superior.

I have patience - I'm willing to assume you just misunderstood my posts and ignore your silly insults.

Please forgive me if I have misunderstood your posts. Perhaps you don't "get" the mindset of engineering majors and this comes across as egotism. Business majors will bring a business mindset to medicine; engineering majors will bring an engineering mindset to medicine; science majors will bring a scientific mindset to medicine; etc. We all have our lenses through which we view the world.

Oh, and I really do want my $350, my time isn't cheap.

 

[MasterShake]

I have actually practiced engineering for 6 years and have my professional engineering license.

A license? Do you drive a train?

Sorry - could not resist the cheese. This thread is freakin' awesome, and please feel free to start another thread - I can't stop reading.

 

[Northerner]

A license? Do you drive a train?

Sorry - could not resist the cheese. This thread is freakin' awesome, and please feel free to start another thread - I can't stop reading.

What the **** are you looking at?! You want a piece?!

 

[MasterShake]

What the **** are you looking at?! You want a piece?!

Is that for real? What just happened - am I a victim of cyberbullying? People are funny.

 

[osin83]

soonereng,

Not sure how you get to school in the morning, but if you get there by a car, bus, train, or boat, you have business majors to thank for that.

Dumbest Thing I've Ever Heard

soonereng,
When you get your windshield cleaned in a seedy area of town, you've got Communications majors to thank.

Funniest Thing I've Ever Heard

Just a warning to the IM basher, you might want to keep that opinion to yourself in medical school. I suspect most of the doctors you'll come in contact with your first two years are internists because they seem to be well represented in pre-clinical medical education.

Doctor Bagel, quit being so defensive. I was in no way bashing IM as a specialty. I did my shadowing for nearly a year under the attending in charge of the Med/Peds residents at her hospital and she was amazing as a person, and as a physician. I (and every other engineer here) was simply stating that certain specialties might appeal towards engineers more simply due to the nature of the problems encountered. Cardiology being one of them, simply due to the fact that the cardiovascular system is analagous to many problems dealt with in college by engineers. Cardiovascular System/Water Tower Analogy

So, quit taking everything so personally and let people give their opinions on what they find do or do not find particularly interesting.

 

[Skills of House]

Why are people hating on engineers? I have an EE background and I don't know of any engineers who look down on others of different majors. I do agree witht he general consensus of the analytical nature of engineers. I mean there are a**hole engineering majors, but so what? Is every bio, history, or psych major just the perfect picture of humility?
Now on to far more important matters...have any of you taken Step 1 yet??? This is kind of freaking me out...I need at least a 240 (considering Urology). I've started going through the Kaplan books and online lectures. We are still in classes and I don't take it til June but still...I feel like I don't know anything, ya know???????

 

[sprinkibrio]

Engineers are just people who decided to work hard a little earlier than the rest of us. Oopsie.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

So, quit taking everything so personally and let people give their opinions on what they find do or do not find particularly interesting.

So did you tell her that you thought her job was "menial." If it's not interesting to you, fine, but you were the one who essentially implied that internists didn't need to be that clever. I don't think the problem is my defensiveness. Instead, it's your lack of tact.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Why are people hating on engineers? I have an EE background and I don't know of any engineers who look down on others of different majors. I do agree witht he general consensus of the analytical nature of engineers. I mean there are a**hole engineering majors, but so what? Is every bio, history, or psych major just the perfect picture of humility?
Now on to far more important matters...have any of you taken Step 1 yet??? This is kind of freaking me out...I need at least a 240 (considering Urology). I've started going through the Kaplan books and online lectures. We are still in classes and I don't take it til June but still...I feel like I don't know anything, ya know???????

People are hating on engineers because of specific posts by engineers in this thread bashing certain medical specialties and specifically bashing different majors. They're doing exactly what you say they're not doing. I actually never "hated on" engineers until this thread.

 

[WiscDoc]

People are hating on engineers because of specific posts by engineers in this thread bashing certain medical specialties and specifically bashing different majors. They're doing exactly what you say they're not doing. I actually never "hated on" engineers until this thread.

Keep in mind that none of us bashed anybody...this thread started as WHAT IS IT LIKE. I am actually worried (or was) because I found that my engineering clases were all a LOT easier than say biochemistry that I had as an undergrad. Engineering classes are like all or none, if you get the concept your done studying. I was worried that my training (that invloves little memorization) would hurt. All the replies to my post came as people's experiences and were reassuring. It wasn't until Northener posted a sarcastic remark that engineers started to "bash" others. So, for the millionth time, your welcomed to read our posts, but if you lack self esteem, STAY OUT!!

Besides, Northener, I agree with osin, dude, the whole thank communications and business majors for things that engineers invented (while they do get credit, they are part of the process), that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Finally, about the whole specialty thing...not that we are boosting about how smart we are and want the best specialites, it is that we have expereince in certain fields were given to us in quiete detail as undergrads, such as orthopedics, the cardivascular system [ transport phenomena and fluids!!]...etc. We are discussing what we think is suitable for our backgrounds.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Keep in mind that none of us bashed anybody...this thread started as WHAT IS IT LIKE. I am actually worried (or was) because I found that my engineering clases were all a LOT easier than say biochemistry that I had as an undergrad. Engineering classes are like all or none, if you get the concept your done studying. I was worried that my training (that invloves little memorization) would hurt. All the replies to my post came as people's experiences and were reassuring. It wasn't until Northener posted a sarcastic remark that engineers started to "bash" others. So, for the millionth time, your welcomed to read our posts, but if you lack self esteem, STAY OUT!!

Besides, Northener, I agree with osin, dude, the whole thank communications and business majors for things that engineers invented (while they do get credit, they are part of the process), that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Finally, about the whole specialty thing...not that we are boosting about how smart we are and want the best specialites, it is that we have expereince in certain fields were given to us in quiete detail as undergrads, such as orthopedics, the cardivascular system [ transport phenomena and fluids!!]...etc. We are discussing what we think is suitable for our backgrounds.

Again, how is calling a certain specialty "menial" not bashing it? I'm sort of confused about how that one works. How is saying that you have no respect for english and history majors not bashing? Both of these things have been posited by engineers in this thread. Not all of you are in the bashing business, but it doesn't appear to be a super small percentage either.

 

[CptCrunch]

Can't we all just get along? Group hug everyone!

 

[WiscDoc]

Again, how is calling a certain specialty "menial" not bashing it? I'm sort of confused about how that one works. How is saying that you have no respect for english and history majors not bashing? Both of these things have been posited by engineers in this thread. Not all of you are in the bashing business, but it doesn't appear to be a super small percentage either.

Bagel,

I guess I was in a bit of a hurry in my last post...I meant none of us bashed anybody before WE WERE BASHED!!! We didn't start it!!

 

[lil pook]

I say we let the haters hate....and I also say we quit responding to them.....Ha! They will eventually go away.

So let's get back on topic.

If this threat is SOOOOOOO offensive to people, well then....all I got to say is that I am so sorry something so trivial, and which doesnt even concern you, is getting you all pissed off......whew!!!! Hate to see you all come third year when you are getting 'offended' left and right by higher ups.

Nobody ever told the non engineers to come and read this thread....SO DON'T READ IT!!!!!!!!! Besides, I specifically recall complaining about the fact that I wasn't used to and simply couldn't master the whole 'memorizing' thing. And a lot of the engineers will agree with me. That doesn't sound like anything egotistical last time I checked.

Oh and just so you know....memorizing IS MINDLESS.....ouch!!!!

NOW, THAT'S EGOTISTICAL!!!!

 

[Skills of House]

Again, how is calling a certain specialty "menial" not bashing it? I'm sort of confused about how that one works. How is saying that you have no respect for english and history majors not bashing? Both of these things have been posited by engineers in this thread. Not all of you are in the bashing business, but it doesn't appear to be a super small percentage either.

Bagel, as I recall (granted only having skimmed through responses), but I believe a fellow engineer was actually called a "monkey"!!! Should such derogatory comments not incite vengeful recourse? And I did read the comment about IM being "menial", but that person did return to explain he/she did not mean it in the context in which it came across. This thread is ridiculous!! I guess people will find ANY reason for prejudice; we go from one race versus another, to male versus female, to jock versus nerd (or band geek...same genre 🙂 ), and now engineer versus non-engineer....are you serious?! Hey I've got one... I like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches....bologna sandwich eaters be damned!!!! I thought this thread would just be about engineers sharing their experiences and possible methods they used and wanted to pass on to other engineers who may be of a similar mindset to aid in their success (yeah, yeah, I hear the violins playing also!).

 

[soonereng]

Bagel, as I recall (granted only having skimmed through responses), but I believe a fellow engineer was actually called a "monkey"!!!

I probably had that one coming since I said Northerner was into his mom with the whole Oedipus complex comment.

Perhaps next session we can work on your Oedipus complex

 

[Northerner]

I probably had that one coming since I said Northerner was into his mom with the whole Oedipus complex comment.

I thought it was funny how incredulous he was when he said it:

"Bagel, as I recall (granted only having skimmed through responses), but I believe a fellow engineer was actually called a "monkey"!!!

 

[Robizzle]

Oh and just so you know....memorizing IS MINDLESS.....ouch!!!!

NOW, THAT'S EGOTISTICAL!!!!

lol, that definitely deserves an "OHHH SNAP!!!"

 

[Skills of House]

I thought it was funny how incredulous he was when he said it:

"Bagel, as I recall (granted only having skimmed through responses), but I believe a fellow engineer was actually called a "monkey"!!!

Case and point.

 

[Skills of House]

I probably had that one coming since I said Northerner was into his mom with the whole Oedipus complex comment.

A little "friendly" ranking then soonereg? I get that. I just don't see why insults between you two need to be blanketed across all engineers. If you feel the insults were justifiable and a witty come back that's all good...if he does his mom and killed his dad, hey, who am I to judge? But to go from calling you a monkey to boasting all the things that we have other majors to thank for: "When you pick up your biochem textbook that's helping you somehow pass an exam, you have a biology major to thank for that." - Northerner... and say that we (engineers) all "glorify" ourselves is stupid...and by the way Northerner, while I can definitely thank a Bio major for the content of the book, I still need to thank (or perhaps beat the hell out of) the engineer who designed and maintained the printing press machines that made said textbook a reality.

 

[soonereng]

A little "friendly" ranking then soonereg? I get that. I just don't see why insults between you two need to be blanketed across all engineers. If you feel the insults were justifiable and a witty come back that's all good...if he does his mom and killed his dad, hey, who am I to judge?

I stand by my original comment that Northerner has done nothing but bash in this thread since his first post. I returned his bashing with a little prodding of my own, but I didn't take offense when he called me a monkey (I am pretty tall, 6'5", and as such have fairly long arms, so I could see how he might get me confused with a monkey I guess.) I don't take people's comments too seriously, otherwise I might respond like Northerner has to some pretty innocent statements.

 

[Northerner]

But to go from calling you a monkey to boasting all the things that we have other majors to thank for: "When you pick up your biochem textbook that's helping you somehow pass an exam, you have a biology major to thank for that." - Northerner... and say that we (engineers) all "glorify" ourselves is stupid...and by the way Northerner, while I can definitely thank a Bio major for the content of the book, I still need to thank (or perhaps beat the hell out of) the engineer who designed and maintained the printing press machines that made said textbook a reality.

Obviously most of you are missing the point. Fine, you're right. Engineers are the most valuable members of society and the paltry contributions made by others are only made possible by people who majored in engineering.

 

[soonereng]

Obviously most of you are missing the point. Fine, you're right. Engineers are the most valuable members of society and the paltry contributions made by others are only made possible by people who majored in engineering.

It's good to see you've finally seen the light.

I think that we have all gotten your point.

 

[WiscDoc]

soonereng, now that you sessions with northern have finally done some good, don't you think it's time you bill him? It's his fault he let it drag this long...he owes you a heck of a whole lot. $350 *N sessions...ooops...maybe we shouldn't speak in engineering terms here!!

 

[Northerner]

soonereng, now that you sessions with northern have finally done some good, don't you think it's time you bill him? It's his fault he let it drag this long...he owes you a heck of a whole lot. $350 *N sessions...ooops...maybe we shouldn't speak in engineerins terms here!!

Is "engineerins" anything like "afrikaans"? Because I don't trust those South African accents. Not English, not Australian, what the hell are they trying to pull?!

 

[WiscDoc]

ha ha. good one.

 

[Leeeee]

People, this is nuts. I'm a first-year medical student with a degree in mechinical engineering. Whoop-dee. I'm smart, you're smart, we're all smart. We're all in med school now, so let's just move on.

WiscDoc, to answer your question, engineers tend to be visual thinkers. (Other people are too, don't get your panties all in a wad. It's just that a non-visual engineer is rare.) Use it to your advantage. I found it hard to just read stuff and have it stick in my brain; I have to write it down or, especially in anatomy, make drawings to memorize stuff. It takes more time but it's the only thing that worked for me.

Good luck.

 

[soonereng]

Just to show that we engineers can poke fun at ourselves....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt6uFg0XyI4

 

[virilep]

Just to show that we engineers can poke fun at ourselves....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt6uFg0XyI4

hahaha. AWESOME!

 

[hari-bhari]

first of all, nobody is this thread is going to be an engineer. we are all going to be DOCTORS. that's why we're here.

now coming from a BME undergrad, I would like to say that i do miss the problem solving and i HATE memorizing? why? because i suck at it. my physio test scores always blow away my biochem ones, while the rest of my class is the mostly the opposite. now as far as who is smarter, i dont think its either. you can be damn good at problem solving, but if you can't remember the damn symptoms of x disesase, YOU WILL SUCK. likewise, you can memorize every drug name and its effects, but if you cant figure out how to differentially diagnose a patient with the plethora of crap floating around in your head, YOU WILL ALSO SUCK. is someone that can memorize tons of information 'smart'? not necessarily. are you smarter than them because you understand the physics behind the effects decreasing venous capacitance on CO? not necessarily. bottom line - if you can't do both you won't get far.

 

[SeventhSon]

while I miss engineering, I am glad I was exposed to mass memorization. I learned to be a lot more efficient with my time and I feel like when I go back and take grad classes I will learn more in a fraction of the time.