For DOs that matched allopathic anesthesia

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Anesguy1012, I would support you in competing for DO residency spots. I spent 2 hours of lecture and 2 hours of OMM lab each week during years 1 and 2 of medical school to learn the DO voodoo. Find a way to pass some sort of equivalency exam and pave the way for your future allopath brethren into the osteopathic GME community.

Let's have more homogeny. Can't we all just get along?

No allopathic grad wants an osteopathic residency. Face it, they are less qualified.

Allopathic school rejects go to osteopathic school. Osteopath rejects go to dental school. Dental school rejects go to pharmacy school. Pharmacy school rejects go to be CRNAs who end up doing basically the same thing as the first two groups, but for less money.

My problem is not the two degree system, it's that osteopathic schools are spitting out DOs like wild-fire and the residency programs are not adjusting to accommodate more qualified students.
 
So what were MD's learning while DO's were learning the 200hrs of OMM?? Honestly, there has to be a trade off somewhere right? Just curious.

By the way, there is the issue of lots of less-than-stellar DO schools popping up all over the country with the intents of charging high tuition to lots of students rather than producing excellent physicians. There seems to be less oversight with DO schools than AMCAS accredited MD schools.

Just my 2 cents. I don't really care either way. It has been my experience that DO schools are somewhat easier than MD schools also, but that could just be the DO schools I have run into.

There is no trade off. The allopathic curriculum is more rigorous so there's no time for the 200 hours of BS. DO schools are factories, with easier curriculum and, hence, less competent physicians. You have to make it easier though, because the students are less impressive than their allopathic counterparts. In the end, they have more time to devote to USMLE and loser program directors bite while leaving allopathic students behind. It's not good for medicine.
 
wow this guy did not match and really blames DOs for taking his spot. In reality DOs get the same amount of time to study for the usmle and have to pass comlex which has the extra omm component.

And there are a ton of students who pick solid DO schools over faltering MD ones that are on probation or students who pick state DO schools that are much much cheaper than private MD schools. And yes there are students who got rejected from MD school but got into DO school, but that is not everyone.
 
:laugh: @ anesguy.

If you're so sure of your superiority, then why do you have to keep repeating it on SDN? Is it to convince yourself it's true?
 
Not hard enough or you would have gotten into an allopathic school.

ok...have had enough of you. i only applied to one medical school, one...it happened to be an osteopathic school. the reason i only applied to one was personal...my husband was starting a business in a certain location. as it was the osteopathic school was an hour away without traffic, the nearest allopathic school was at least 2.5h away...not doable.
not everyone who goes to an osteopathic school is a allopathic reject. get over yourself.
i have met complete idiots at MD schools and DO schools...i think it is easy to skate by in either and difficult to succeed in both.
this is my last post on the subject and directed at you...if venty won't ban you than i will completely ignore you...you don't exist. 🙂 bye
 
Allopathic school rejects go to osteopathic school.

Thanks for showing your genius again. Like amyl, I only applied to one medical school for geographic reasons. I did better on the MCAT than my friends that were accepted to allopathic schools. I could have gone anywhere, however, I chose to apply to one, and only one, medical school.

My problem is not the two degree system, it's that osteopathic schools are spitting out DOs like wild-fire and the residency programs are not adjusting to accommodate more qualified students.

Is being a douche bag the qualification you're alluding to?
 
Bitter, unmatched friend? I'm a third year resident. Learn who you're talking about before you gang up with your insecure friends.

Oh please. And I'm an NFL quarterback. The internet is cool because we can be whatever we want. You've now had a positive amyl test X 3. Bye bye douche.
 
I know I am in the minority here. However, I don't think Anesguy should be banned. He/She has a strong opinion. I think he/she is wrong on his opinion. Maybe because I am a MD "slacker", I laugh when people post things like that.

This year was hard on the applicants only 94.25 of US MD grads matched in first year while only 71.6 of DO grads matched in first year.
http://www.nrmp.org/data/advancedatatables2008.pdf

The program I am at will take US MDs and DOs but will not take foreign MDs and will only take exceptional US citizens who went to foreign schools(10X better than me). The DOs are typically better than the MDs because we gleam the best DOs. This is my 2 cents.

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Bitter, unmatched friend? I'm a third year resident. Learn who you're talking about before you gang up with your insecure friends.

hey, we aren't friends and I am not insecure.

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This was such a useful thread in the beginning. As a 3rd year DO student planning on applying to anesthesia next year I really found the info quite valuable. Too bad the thread is now run into the ground by such a hackneyed debate. Thanks for banning that troll though. I went back and read a sampling of his/her previous posts and was hard pressed to find one single statment that was not malicious or spewing negativity.
 
back to the original purpose of this thread: if any current osteopathic third years are interested here is where NSU matched in Anesthesiology this year: (at least those i know of)
UFlorida, Penn State, Texas Tech, ULouisville, UNC, UTHouston, cleveland clinic
 
KCUMB Class of 2008 matched at: Cleveland Clinic, UTSW, SLU, Oklahoma, Med Coll of Wiscosin, UMKC, and Oregon. It would have been me to, but I took a research year, damnit!, lol
 
Thanks for all the great posts guys. Please - keep them coming!
 
Unv Arizona, Unv Utah, UTSW, Med College Wisc, Unv Rochester (Strong Memorial).
 
Unv Arizona, Unv Utah, UTSW, Med College Wisc, Unv Rochester (Strong Memorial).

RickKane,

do you have AZCOM's matchlist? I was looking for it and couldn't find it anywhere.


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Interesting. I thought Louisville was a "no go" for DO's... Someone told me that OSU had someone match gas at Vandy but I haven't seen a list yet. I know last year someone matched at Hopkins.
 
i heard the same about louisville...however, he did an away rotation there and is from the area originally...i am not sure...he might have gone there or at least nearby for undergrad...plus they didn't fill this year so likely went all the way down their list....
 
From the list I've seen, OSU had someone match at Arkansas, Kentucky, and an osteo residency in st. louis.
 
from PCOM:

Jackson Memorial Hospital

Thomas Jefferson University (3)

UMDNJ/ Robert Wood Johnson

University of Maryland Medical Center

Western Pennsylvania Hospital
 
Dude, there's little/no chance that you know people w/similar stats that didn't match, unless they were very selective in choosing where they applied/interviewed (that being their own fault).

Yeah, with solid stats they either shot themselves in the foot by being overselective or shorting their match-list. Or, they are complete duds or were turds on their audition rotations. Much of matching goes beyond "stats". The folks in the program are gonna spend a FREAKIN TON of hours with you over 4 years. They want to know:

1 - Can you do the work?
2 - Will you do the work?
3 - Can they stand to work/live with you?

If any of those 3 are 'No', then no matter how high your numbers are, you're gonna find it hard to match into anesthesia.


EDIT: A different discussion entirely, but I do agree that MD applicants should be eligible for DO spots as well.

I agree 500%! When I was a med student & Nat. Liaison Officer with SOMA, my crew (KCOM) proposed that SOMA adopt a resolution essentially endorsing that & a common match. You could have heard a pin drop! You would have had fewer shocked faces if you had taken a dump in the Pope's Mitre!!!

One day, the dinosaurs & sycophants that run the AOA will wake up & discover they had protected & self-selected themselves into obsolescence.
 
i do have to agree with lush's idea that mds should be eligible for osteopathic residencies.... they should add up all the hours we spend in opp class and just make them do an intensive osteopathic experience with the same number of hours. honestly, i know i am a traitor to my osteopathic roots, but that stuff could really have been condensed without any loss of information. probably one month tops is all it would take. personally i think the distinction is silly.


For the most part - well said. But, I would not force our MD-colleagues to spend = time in an OPP seminar. Like you said, the nuts, bolts & what is important (in other words - omit the religious BS) could be distilled into a couple of weekend-long seminars.

Besides, to be perfectly frank, where in the hell are you going to employ OMM in anesthesia? I have actually, during long cases, tried to 'envision' a point of employment - there simply ain't one!
 
By the way, there is the issue of lots of less-than-stellar DO schools popping up all over the country with the intents of charging high tuition to lots of students rather than producing excellent physicians. There seems to be less oversight with DO schools than AMCAS accredited MD schools.

How precisely can you judge a school that has just "popped" up to be less than stellar? Does it have to at least PRODUCE some GRADUATES before you declare them "bad programs"?

Seems like your cart is running ahead of your horse...
 
COMLEX I--647 II--657 No USMLE
Top 10% of Class
Matched Military 1st choice
 
How precisely can you judge a school that has just "popped" up to be less than stellar? Does it have to at least PRODUCE some GRADUATES before you declare them "bad programs"?

Seems like your cart is running ahead of your horse...

Are you serious? First of all, you put "bad programs" in quotations as if I had actually used that phrase--I didn't. I will withhold my comments because it seems there is a majority of the readers on here who are DO students. But yes, there are lots of substandard DO programs out there because the accreditation standards are much laxer than for MD schools. There are great schools too. But it's much easier to start up a DO school than a MD one.
 
Please stop trudging through the same old DO vs. MD debate 😴on this thread. Take your arguments elsewhere. There are PLENTY of threads specifically created for that purpose alone.
 
WVSOM Match list for 2008

University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
Henry Ford Hospital
WVU
Maine Medical Center
Cedar Sinai
 
Here is an updated list of NSU placement into Anesthesia(Still more to come?)😎

UF Gainesville
Texas Tech
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program
UM Jackson Memorial
University of North Carolina
UT Houston
University of Louisville
Penn State Milton Hershey Med Center

Waaaaaaaaaaay better than class of 2007!:meanie:
 
back to the original purpose of this thread: if any current osteopathic third years are interested here is where NSU matched in Anesthesiology this year: (at least those i know of)
UFlorida, Penn State, Texas Tech, ULouisville, UNC, UTHouston, cleveland clinic

Im a third year at NSU, and im impressed by how many of our colleagues in the class of 2008 were able to match into great anesthesia programs.

As someone who's numbers dont shine or boost my application, i was just hoping for more of you who matched to post info into your board scores, gpa, number of audition rotations, and just more or less specific details that would help someone who may be statistically subpar boost their application.
 
Im a third year at NSU, and im impressed by how many of our colleagues in the class of 2008 were able to match into great anesthesia programs.

As someone who's numbers dont shine or boost my application, i was just hoping for more of you who matched to post info into your board scores, gpa, number of audition rotations, and just more or less specific details that would help someone who may be statistically subpar boost their application.
Well, there are a couple of questions that help determine what your best options are.

1) As some people's definition of "performing well" vary, I will just go out and say it: Is your USMLE step I >220? If the answer is yes then with good letters you can apply to the majority of programs. Work your butt off on your Anesthesiology rotations(I did about 2) and get good letters! Remember, you want to have your letters in a timely manner so don't wait till the last minute to get them. I don't need to tell you that the NSU office can give you headaches sometimes. I can't emphasize this enough, good letters can be HUGE, particularly from the right people. With >220, many people have gotten into Anesthesiology even if they are in the middle of the class. If your step I is <220, see #2.

2) If you did poorly on step I, Try to rock USMLE Step II which by many is considered easier to do. While you will still probably lose out on several programs that screen based on Step I, many will still look at you if you redeem yourself with step II. Again, your letters of recommendation will be HUGE. If you wind up doing below average in both Steps I&II (as in <220 in both), your options are more limited but don't give up hope!

3) Well if you fall into this category, things are a bit tougher but still not impossible. Many programs will screen you out based on your board scores alone. That being said some of the students at NSU that matched into some pretty competitive programs (UF and Miami) looked only average on paper. Your best chance if you fall in this category is the places you do your audition rotations at. These students worked their #$% off on their audition rotations, were pleasant to work with, and blew their socks off. Now don't be silly thinking that you can do this to get into UCSF or Johns Hopkins this way, but it just goes to show you can still get into some very solid programs with some good old fashioned hard work. Again letters are still big here.

Also do your homework on "hidden gem" programs that provide very solid training but are not neccesarily "Big Name" programs. In many cases you will get better exposure because the Anesthesia Fellows won't be snatching up all the really cool cases from you.

Hope that helps.
 
i will second everything ambrosia said. I fall into the scores >220 category for steps one and two, i think i was like 28th-ish in our class, can't remember exactly -- matched at CCF and did not do an away rotation there. Apply widely, put some reaches and some less competitive programs on your list and do some aways where you want to go. if you want some specific advice pm me with what area you want to go to (or that you don't care) and the other things that are important to you and i might have some suggestions. if you are not the best "on paper" candidate you can still match in anesthesiology, you may just have to be flexible on area or rock an away rotation to do so.
 
Ok, VCOM finally made our match list available to the students.

5 to osteopathic Anesthesiology programs, 2 to military, and 3 to allopathic:

NMC Portsmouth x 2 (probably be GMO'd first)
University of Kentucky Med Center
Hershey Med Center/Penn State
Johns Hopkins
 
Not hard enough or you would have gotten into an allopathic school.

i pray to god that ur not actually in medschool and that ur profile is fake because you give doctors a bad name. be polite once in a while
 
Ok, VCOM finally made our match list available to the students.

5 to osteopathic Anesthesiology programs, 2 to military, and 3 to allopathic:

NMC Portsmouth x 2 (probably be GMO'd first)
University of Kentucky Med Center
Hershey Med Center/Penn State
Johns Hopkins

It's nice to see that Hopkins takes some DO's in gas... a guy from NYCOM matched there a few years back as well..
 
from what i've read... Hopkins takes around 6 osteopathic students a year....
 
I know I am in the minority here. However, I don't think Anesguy should be banned. He/She has a strong opinion. I think he/she is wrong on his opinion. Maybe because I am a MD "slacker", I laugh when people post things like that.

This year was hard on the applicants only 94.25 of US MD grads matched in first year while only 71.6 of DO grads matched in first year.
http://www.nrmp.org/data/advancedatatables2008.pdf

The program I am at will take US MDs and DOs but will not take foreign MDs and will only take exceptional US citizens who went to foreign schools(10X better than me). The DOs are typically better than the MDs because we gleam the best DOs. This is my 2 cents.

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My dog is looking at me weird because I am laughing outloud. I have seen that before but it is funny every time.
 
For the most part - well said. But, I would not force our MD-colleagues to spend = time in an OPP seminar. Like you said, the nuts, bolts & what is important (in other words - omit the religious BS) could be distilled into a couple of weekend-long seminars.

Besides, to be perfectly frank, where in the hell are you going to employ OMM in anesthesia? I have actually, during long cases, tried to 'envision' a point of employment - there simply ain't one!

do you DO's really believe is OMM making a big health difference? the reason I ask Is I find it very interesting and wonder if it is worth being a DO over MD for OMM.

Also I have heard that DO's can make alot of extra money when using OMM


sorry I know this is an old thread but It had some good posters in it.
 
do you DO's really believe is OMM making a big health difference? the reason I ask Is I find it very interesting and wonder if it is worth being a DO over MD for OMM.

Also I have heard that DO's can make alot of extra money when using OMM


sorry I know this is an old thread but It had some good posters in it.


offtopic but here goes:
if you're talking about that massage parlor/"happy ending" effleurage kind of omm, well, that's illegal 😳. but the fp docs who use omm effectively can actually do quite well (idk how reimbursement works for omm). and there's some docs who do an omm/nmm residency and do nothing but omm all day with a straight cash practice and 2 month waiting lists - m-f 9-5, no call/weekends 😀.
 
do you DO's really believe is OMM making a big health difference? the reason I ask Is I find it very interesting and wonder if it is worth being a DO over MD for OMM.

Also I have heard that DO's can make alot of extra money when using OMM


sorry I know this is an old thread but It had some good posters in it.

You will prolly get a much better answer in the osteopathic forum. Most DOs here, myself included, decided not do to OMT and chose anesthesia. It's kind of a self selection thing as people who chose anesthesia aren't really interested in doing OMT for the rest of their lives. The ones who really like OMT will choose to go into FP or PMR and incorporate it into their daily practice. FWIW, during my MS-3 year we had to do an OMT rotation. Some of the OMT docs out there made total bank but it was a lot of marketing.
 
it would be great if the DO's applying this year could get this thread back on track and give some of us future applicants an idea of the current stats and programs offering prematch or interview invites. thanks in advance
 
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