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    my class rank combined with my USMLE will probably put me in the "average" category and I really have no idea what that means, where I should and should not consider for residency, etc. etc.

    They just don't provide enough resources for the "average" medical student...
     

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      I got a 229... but, I'd say that puts me in the average range. Same deal for my class rank (a little above average.) If I was forced to pick today I'd go Anesthesia, EM, Path.

      Even if I had the stats to be competitive for the tougher residencies, I don't think I'd want them. Urology would probably be #1 for me if it didn't come with a rough 5 yr surgical residency and if I had a better shot (I don't want to apply to 100 programs and end up in Alaska). Most of the others just don't sound that great to me.

      So, average or not, I don't think it changes much for me.
       
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        RugbyJC said:
        my class rank combined with my USMLE will probably put me in the "average" category and I really have no idea what that means, where I should and should not consider for residency, etc. etc.

        They just don't provide enough resources for the "average" medical student...

        Our school sent out a summary of all matches from our school for the last 5 yrs broken down by residency. Very helpful. Assuming class rank etc averages out to about the board score average for individual residencies (which I think is a reasonable assumption), then 220-225 (and say 60%ile class rank) would be ABOVE average for things like EM and Anesthesia. They fell in the 215-217 range. Actually, it would be above average for everything save the ones folks always mention as the highly competitive ones (uro, ortho, derm, radio, ENT, optho,...) which all fell in the 230-235 range.

        Anyway, see if your school has this kind of data... but, I'd say average should equal competitive for most residencies.
         

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          that dr. jack said:
          call me optimistic, but i got below average (above 200 though, which is decent for a DO) and i'm thinking of stuff like ER, gen surg, neuro, or an IM sub-specialty. i like to think that my score alone won't preclude me from every residency.
          Way to go Jack! I passed... barely! if i passed usmle I know i rocked comlex, and that's all i really care about at this point.
           

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            TheFish005 said:
            Way to go Jack! I passed... barely! if i passed usmle I know i rocked comlex, and that's all i really care about at this point.
            Not trying to start a fued, but are the tests really that different? Is the DO education much different outside of the OMM?

            Personally, they must be teaching you guys something right b/c in the ER, Family and IM here at Tech, my favorite/most impressive doc's are DO's. My wife goes to a DO.
             

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              COMLEX seemed considerably easier to me; maybe I was just better prepared for the OMM components. I did think though, that COMLEX had more clinical relevence. ALso, my COMLEX had very little biochemistry, and almost no molecular bio, which I got alot of on USMLE. I might have just been weaker in those areas than I should have been and got lucky on COMLEX that it wasn't tested heavily. For whatever reason, I had a much better feeling walking out of COMLEX than USMLE, and now I know I actually passed USMLE, so I'm confident I did better on COMLEX.
               

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                TheFish005 said:
                COMLEX seemed considerably easier to me; maybe I was just better prepared for the OMM components. I did think though, that COMLEX had more clinical relevence. ALso, my COMLEX had very little biochemistry, and almost no molecular bio, which I got alot of on USMLE. I might have just been weaker in those areas than I should have been and got lucky on COMLEX that it wasn't tested heavily. For whatever reason, I had a much better feeling walking out of COMLEX than USMLE, and now I know I actually passed USMLE, so I'm confident I did better on COMLEX.
                Sounds reasonable to me. Good luck with it all :)
                 

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                  thackl said:
                  Not trying to start a fued, but are the tests really that different? Is the DO education much different outside of the OMM?

                  Personally, they must be teaching you guys something right b/c in the ER, Family and IM here at Tech, my favorite/most impressive doc's are DO's. My wife goes to a DO.

                  from my experience, COMLEX is way more straightforward clinically. they both give the same types of question stem, but ask different things. there's no molec cell bio on COMLEX, and very little biochem and genetics. some of the questions on COMLEX made me laugh because they were so easy (for example, the parents of a child with turner syndrome would have what chromosomal arrangements?), whereas on USMLE there were only a few that i answered in like 5 seconds or less. USMLE is also much more tricky and that kind of irked me because it felt like medical trivial pursuit at times.

                  overall, each exam reflects what each type of student is taught in their respective type of medical school.

                  it's also great to hear you are so impressed with the DOs you work with. for all the worrying that we all do while pre-med and in the first two years about MD vs. DO, once we get out into the hospitals and clinics, we realize no one really gives a $hit what letters are behind our names as long as we provide superior patient care. we have an MD student on our team right now and i feel we're all equal in terms of knowledge and clinical skill.
                   

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                    TheFish005 said:
                    Way to go Jack! I passed... barely! if i passed usmle I know i rocked comlex, and that's all i really care about at this point.[/QUOTE

                    congrats!! dude you know you totally killed the COMLEX. i'm dying to know my COMLEX score now, because i really really want to get around 600 (or it's equivalent if they are changing the scale).
                     

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                      that dr. jack said:
                      it's also great to hear you are so impressed with the DOs you work with. for all the worrying that we all do while pre-med and in the first two years about MD vs. DO, once we get out into the hospitals and clinics, we realize no one really gives a $hit what letters are behind our names as long as we provide superior patient care. we have an MD student on our team right now and i feel we're all equal in terms of knowledge and clinical skill.

                      I'm in the midst of my first clerkship right now and we have two NYCOM MS4 on our team who are just fantastic. They're both super smart and what's better is how nice and helpful they are to us; needless to say we are not only impressed but are also big fans of them.
                       
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                        This isn't really the thread for this, but I don't want to post in the results thread because those people scare me. :)

                        I have talked to three of my classmates (including my next door neighbor), and they all got their scores in the mail on Saturday. MCW doesn't release the scores to us (lucky us), so we're all mailbox checkers. However, I didn't get my scores!! Ahhh.... I'm crossing my fingers that they come tomorrow, since I'm not sure I can take it much longer. Here's hoping that I get out of radiology early tomorrow...

                        So anyway, my point is, did anyone else not get their scores yet? (I took it June 8, by the way).
                         

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                          that dr. jack said:
                          from my experience, COMLEX is way more straightforward clinically. they both give the same types of question stem, but ask different things. there's no molec cell bio on COMLEX, and very little biochem and genetics. some of the questions on COMLEX made me laugh because they were so easy (for example, the parents of a child with turner syndrome would have what chromosomal arrangements?), whereas on USMLE there were only a few that i answered in like 5 seconds or less. USMLE is also much more tricky and that kind of irked me because it felt like medical trivial pursuit at times.

                          overall, each exam reflects what each type of student is taught in their respective type of medical school.


                          it's also great to hear you are so impressed with the DOs you work with. for all the worrying that we all do while pre-med and in the first two years about MD vs. DO, once we get out into the hospitals and clinics, we realize no one really gives a $hit what letters are behind our names as long as we provide superior patient care. we have an MD student on our team right now and i feel we're all equal in terms of knowledge and clinical skill.

                          I highly agree with this statement, as my opinion of the USMLE and COMLEX is directly opposite from yours. This may be due to the fact that our professors teach Kaplan USMLE courses and write USMLE review books. I found the USMLE to be more straightforward and answered the questions more quickly than on the COMLEX. This could also be attributed to the fact that I took the USMLE after the COMLEX, and had less anxiety.

                          I suppose I won't really know until I recieve my COMLEX score.
                           
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                            pathER said:
                            205 here. Very dissapointed, but hey what can I do now. I was thinking Path, maybe not now??

                            don't give up hope man. there is no freaking way that one little score will determine your future. if that was true, i wouldn't be in med school in the first place.

                            true, derm and urology might be a bit out of our league as of now, but who really wants to spend the rest of their lives with penises, anal warts and trophy wives with BDD?
                             

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                              OSUdoc08 said:
                              I highly agree with this statement, as my opinion of the USMLE and COMLEX is directly opposite from yours. This may be due to the fact that our professors teach Kaplan USMLE courses and write USMLE review books. I found the USMLE to be more straightforward and answered the questions more quickly than on the COMLEX. This could also be attributed to the fact that I took the USMLE after the COMLEX, and had less anxiety.

                              I suppose I won't really know until I recieve my COMLEX score.


                              interesting! i took COMLEX first and just felt burnt out by the time i got to USMLE. i did find the biochem easy because our biochem prof goes the kaplan course as well, but crap dude it would be great to have poppy as well. my fault for not wanting to live where there are tornados i guess. congrats on your score though and best of luck on COMLEX.
                               

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                                I got my score over the weekend and I just wanted to check on here to see what people were saying about their scores. Man was I suprised to see this thread right on the top since it always seems that 95% of the people who I've seen provide scores in the past say they got 240-260. Anyway my score was a 215. I'm not totally happy with it (despite the fact that I told myself I'd be happy with anything above a 200), but I got what I expected for what I put into studying. I've always know I didn't want to do anything extremely competitive, so I wasn't out to kill myself for an excellent score. I'm thinking I'll want to go into Peds but who knows if I'll change my mind sometime in the next year or so.

                                I'm surprised to hear people think the COMPLEX is so much easier than the USMLE, it being so long and everything just makes the experience sound so much worse. I definately agree that step 1 tests way too much minutiae that will never be needed to appropriately practice medicine, that is sort of the reason I refused to spend more time than I did studying.
                                 
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                                  OSUdoc08 said:
                                  The 2006 Computer-Based COMLEX Step I is 400 questions.

                                  The 2006 Computer-Based USMLE Step I is 350 questions.

                                  Even though the COMLEX was only 1 50-questions block longer than the USMLE, that extra block at the end took a lot of stamina. I was just ready for the thing to be over and really didn't care much about the questions towards the end. But, compared to what students had to endure in the past (a 2-day ordeal with paper and pencil??!!), I guess we are lucky.
                                   

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                                      Still awaiting a score but seriously from previous posts, is 205 a bad score? I thought that anything above a 200 is good especially for a residency like Internal Med. I was just hoping for above a 200 because I want to do internal med in California at just an average program.

                                      What do you guys think? What is the average Step 1 score for Internal Medicine? Anyone know?
                                       

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                                        Luwi25 said:
                                        Still awaiting a score but seriously from previous posts, is 205 a bad score? I thought that anything above a 200 is good especially for a residency like Internal Med. I was just hoping for above a 200 because I want to do internal med in California at just an average program.

                                        What do you guys think? What is the average Step 1 score for Internal Medicine? Anyone know?

                                        For IM it's fine.
                                         

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                                          kielbasakidd said:
                                          Will that keep someone out of an IM residency - maybe pulmonary or cardiology? Not looking for big name hospital.

                                          Pulmonology and cardiology are fellowships, not residencies. You do a fellowship in these fields after completing a residency in IM. Your board score has much less to do with getting these fellowships than letters of recommendation from people you work with during your residency. A low board score could hinder acceptance into a fellowship by limiting where you might do your residency, ie, it is easier to get into cardiology from Harvard (MGH) than from Podunk Community College. This is not to say that it is impossible.
                                           

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                                            219 here. Not thrilled, but also not too disappointed - I was aiming for 220 or better, so my score was at least really close to my goal.

                                            I started third year thinking I wanted to do psych or neuro. Those are still on my radar, but apparently, I am much more of a "surgery person" than I had expected, so now I'm also thinking of gen surg or ob/gyn. I am also interested in ENT - I think it would be a stretch since my step I score is so average, and I also have some geographic limitations, but I'm not totally ruling it out yet. We'll see how this year goes.
                                             
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