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Hi Im from the US and a friend of mine just graduated medical school and she has to do her internship year. She graduated from the same school i go to in UAE (middle east) and she heard she can do her specialization ( our program is 5 years of study and 1 year internship) in germany.

She wants to go to germany b/c in this country you have to pay to do your internship (where as in the US they pay you in residency)

Does anyone know the procedure and what kind of licensing exams would be necessary and what kind of timeline all this would have to be done on?

How does a foreign graduate go about doing there residency in Germany? Do you have to take a german language course?

Thank you

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Hi-

I am an American studying in Germany in my 7th semester. I don't exactly know what you are referring to when you say we pay for our internship-that isn't true. There are 13 grades of German high school, and they graduate with an "Abitur" (roughly equivalent to an associate's degree) and their med school is a 6-year program (2 pre-clinical years, 4 clinical, the last of which, the "Practical Year" or "PJ" is a mixture of 3rd and 4th year rotations in the States, meaning 4 months internal med, 4 months surgery and 4 months elective). AFter that you take your second board exam and are a doctor. Their "internship" (AiP= Arzt in Praktikum) no longer exists, you go right into residency, but back in the day you were paid as an AiP. Med school obviously costs money (70-500 Euros/semester, depending where) but residents here are paid about the same as in the states.

You definitely have to speak German here unless you are in an army hospital... You can get your credentials approved by the "landesprüfungsamt" in Düsseldorf and you have to do an "Anerkennungsjahr" if you are already a specialist in your home country and then take the specialist test again. It should be possible for you to contact hospitals for just a year of research or residency or whatever-I don't know exactly.

I do know of a law firm specialized in medical law, especially educational and licensing. send me a PM if you need the info!

Viel Glück!
 
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sorry let me clarify that b/c the system in the united arab emirates is strange i guess.

My friend gradauted already, she has to do 1 year of internship here (and In UAE if you're not a citizen of this country you have to pay to do your internship, but if you're a citizen you get paid...), that is why she wants to go to Germany so she can avoid the fees here.

Now how does someone who went to school in the middle-east go about applying for residency, and what are the requirements? Ive heard you must take a course on the german language and be proficient in it.

Thanks for your help
 
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hi, im new here. im a fourth year medical student from lebanon, and i want to do my residency in germany. the problem is, I have no idea what so ever, about the procedures and exams that non EU trained foreign physicians need to complete before they are allowed to practice in germany. I have contacted the german embssy but that they didnt help me at all. if you could, I would be most grateful.
 
hi... i am a medical student studying in ukraine.now i am in final year, i would like to do my post graduation in germany...can i have your phone number.. i need to ask you some things....hoping for a positive response..thank you..you can send it to my email id : [email protected]
Hi-

I am an American studying in Germany in my 7th semester. I don't exactly know what you are referring to when you say we pay for our internship-that isn't true. There are 13 grades of German high school, and they graduate with an "Abitur" (roughly equivalent to an associate's degree) and their med school is a 6-year program (2 pre-clinical years, 4 clinical, the last of which, the "Practical Year" or "PJ" is a mixture of 3rd and 4th year rotations in the States, meaning 4 months internal med, 4 months surgery and 4 months elective). AFter that you take your second board exam and are a doctor. Their "internship" (AiP= Arzt in Praktikum) no longer exists, you go right into residency, but back in the day you were paid as an AiP. Med school obviously costs money (70-500 Euros/semester, depending where) but residents here are paid about the same as in the states.

You definitely have to speak German here unless you are in an army hospital... You can get your credentials approved by the "landesprüfungsamt" in Düsseldorf and you have to do an "Anerkennungsjahr" if you are already a specialist in your home country and then take the specialist test again. It should be possible for you to contact hospitals for just a year of research or residency or whatever-I don't know exactly.

I do know of a law firm specialized in medical law, especially educational and licensing. send me a PM if you need the info!

Viel Glück!
 
hi, im new here. im a fourth year medical student from lebanon, and i want to do my residency in germany. the problem is, I have no idea what so ever, about the procedures and exams that non EU trained foreign physicians need to complete before they are allowed to practice in germany. I have contacted the german embssy but that they didnt help me at all. if you could, I would be most grateful.

in any case you have to be proficent in language. take a look at posts here, there where some topic about detail procedure.



If anybody knows, how high is chance to do ''residency'' in plastic-reconstructive surgery in germany?
 
I am a US grad, fellowship trained Anesthesiologist. Does anyone know what I will have to do to work in Germany? I would consider working in a military hospital and am not sure about how to go about this, but I suppose I will just talk to my friends in the military. But more importantly, what exactly do I have to do to be credentialed in my specialty in Germany?

I'm sure there is a language exam and I have been working on my german, but I have quite a lot of work to do.

What else?

Thanks for any advice or links to any websites with useful information.

SF
 
can someone give me the name and location of an American Dr. (orthopedic /neuro) in germany?
 
Lotsa people looking for residency in Germany yet not enough answers...I'm looking for some answers as well.
 
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So for non-EU citizens graduating from outside germany, I believe there's a language exam that they need to pass. Then it becomes a matter of applications. Now, are there certain specialities that are competitive to get into? Also, what are the basis for a resident to get paid? I heard you could spend your residency unpaid.

Thanks,
 
Dear All,

I'm a general pracitioner and working in government hospital. I'm looking for a residency program in germany, however its very difficult to found a hospital that carries plastic surgery or dermatology residency program. Does anyone know which university hospital in germany have any of these two residency? and any contacts?


Thanks
 
Dermatology in every german university hospital, plastic surgery in most (but not Bonn for example).
 
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Dermatology in every german university hospital, plastic surgery in most (but not Bonn for example).

i tried to search over the net, where to go and whom to contact, but its very difficult to find . . . please if you can guide me to which hospital i can apply through . . .that would be great.


Thanks
 
If it's too difficult your German skills may not be sufficient. They need to be very good if you want to apply for residency in Germany, you might want to work on that before.

Tell me which hospital you want to apply to and I'll search an email address on that site that you can contact the hospital through.
 
Hi everybody,im Iranian and now live in Iran ,i like Cardiology as specialty, i realy love to apply for Cardiology as residency in germany,i have some questions: 1) a non EU citizen like me can apply and be accepted? 2)a non EU citizen have monthly salary and is it different from EU citizens? 3)is the salary enough for life in germany?4)how can i apply for it? thanks for your favour and help.
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Hi, I'm Physician but I graduated in South America. I'm studying German here in Germany and I finish it in Februar. I'd like to continue my postgraduation here and after that work here as well. Can somebody help me if i have to study Medicine again for 2 years at once I finish my Postgrade? The point is I live in Germany right now with my family.

Thanks for your help!!
 
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Here are some details about residency in Germany for non-EU nationals:

You absolutely must speak German... there is not always a formal test, but if you are not sufficiently fluent to comunicate with patients/other doctors I doubt that any clinic will be willing to offer you a position.

The first step is to find a clinic that is interested in hiring you (there is no central "match" process for German residencies) the position is "Assistenzarzt/aerztin". Sometimes clinics advertise that they are hiring in the journal "Aertzeblatt" or online, otherwise you can just contact them directly. You cannot apply for a working permit without a job offer!

Once you have an offer you must apply for a "Berufserlaubnis" (working permit). At this point it will be determined if you have sufficient German skills and medical education equivalency etc. This process varies from state to state and is done on an individual basis. I have heard of cases where there is an oral equivalency exam, but I am not sure if that is standard.

For more detailed information you should look at the webpage of the "Landesaerztekammer" for the state you are interested in working in (Bayern, Hessen etc..). They provide links to the "Gesundheitsbehoerde" that is responsible for issuing the working permits. It is best to then contact someone directly... they will be able to tell how the process is done in your specific situation. Once again, this is done on an individual basis based on the job you are applying for, where you did your studies etc... consequently, it is hard to give too much specific info.

In general, you will be paid if you get a job. I do know of some foreign doctors that have done an unpaid practical year in Germany and then taken the second german licensing exam... Unfortunatly, I don't know if this option is offered to everyone or what benefit is gives an applicant.

I hope this could answer at least some of the questions...
 
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Thanks for your Information!! I'm going to check those pages in Internet and to look for the Clinic that I'd like to study.

Thanks a lot!!
 
I am interested in participating in the Erasmus placements program in Germany but I have no idea about the hospitals and the clinics ( cardiology clinics)
Does anyone has any idea which is the the best one to try (best for my 4 months education)


  • Deutsche Herzzentrum Berlin
  • Düsseldorf University Hospital
  • University Hospital Leipzig
  • Universitätsklinikum Heidelberg
any idea for any hospital and cardiology department welcome
 
I am interested in participating in the Erasmus placements program in Germany but I have no idea about the hospitals and the clinics ( cardiology clinics)
Does anyone has any idea which is the the best one to try (best for my 4 months education)


  • Deutsche Herzzentrum Berlin
  • Düsseldorf University Hospital
  • University Hospital Leipzig
  • Universitätsklinikum Heidelberg
any idea for any hospital and cardiology department welcome
You pretty much have one of Europe's top schools (as well as internationally recognized) in Heidelberg.

I recommend not going to Leipzig, unless you're able to speak and understand Saxon-German. You could also run into difficulties there as a foreigner. Leipzig has a long reputation of random violence, as well as internationally known racial attacks against foreigners. I don't recommend foreigners go anywhere in the former east Germany, except for Berlin.
 
thank you for your advice..
really appreciated
do you know anything about Deutsche Herzzentrum in Berlin?
 
I tried getting specific info from colleagues and associates. Can't get much (not that it means anything, just this group doesn't have info).

As far as staying out of east Germany, I'll simply summarize it with this site:
http://www.muegeln.com/

This is the population of Leipzig that you'll deal with. Germany suppressed the news until the Indian government was forced to break the story worldwide to protect its nationals. BTW- the courts essentially swept the case under the rug:
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/22/328255.aspx

The latest in Dresden is the pregnant muslim woman who was stabbed to death by the defendent in a courtroom, in front of the judge and witnesses while the officers did nothing. When they finally acted, they shot her husband, who was defending her. Germany is also trying to suppress the transcripts, though witnesses have revealed the defended saluted Hitler and confirmed his alliance to the NPD-Nazi party of Germany. Again, adding more time to the outburst during which time the officers could have prevented the woman's death. Again, the rest of the world had to break the story first, especially after protests broke out by muslims across the world.

http://www.thelocal.de/opinion/20090710-20509.html

*it should be noted that the victim's husband, who is injured, works for the Max Planck Institute, which adjoins the medical school in Dresden.

I highly recommend foreigners stay out of the former east Germany, outside of Berlin. Berlin isn't without its own problems, but still safer than the rest of the former east for foreigners. I feel extremely strongly about this matter enough to post such a thing, or encourage research.
 
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:love:as i m Dr shahbaz khokher had done my graduation MD from Ukraine in 2007 and now i m looking for the germen language corce to get the residency in general surgery but the question is that ,does german accept the Ukraine Degree either cerdit Hours which got from Ukraine on the other hand i m registerd Medical Practioner in Pkistan as m working Medical officer leggally ....kindky reply me and help me out i will b thankfull to you....either tell me the way out how to get information .... cheer in waiting here
 
I can guarantee that if you send emails like that, you're going to not get responses. You need to brush up on the English, and I'm not being a douche about that. You have to make a good first impression, and they are looking for professionalism.

As far as going to courses, go to any school that is reputable, which is Goethe, Berlitz, and a couple others. Many universities here offer courses for foreigners as well. They are very intensive. What they will likely do is want at least a Goethe ZOP-C1-C2 level German, which will take the better portion of a year to attain. The certificate is internationally recognized and only Goethe offers it, but one may take their courses elsewhere. Goethe is expensive, but I highly recommend it, as it's an investment and the quality is even beyond the intensive University courses I took.

Basically, you have to go and find out from the licensure board here about your qualifications, but again, if you're unable to communicate clearly or professionally, they won't be particularly interested in helping you more than a basic amount, if at that. Most of these people are overworked, and English isn't their native language, so they can't even devote time to such things.

So for language, check the Goethe Institut. Here's a site with a bit of info:

http://www.bundesaerztekammer.de/page.asp?his=1.109.112.3313

It's tough, but definitely not impossible, based on how they look at your records and grades.
 
Do you think one can e-mail departments looking for vacancy in English?
 
When they don't speak German, English is still the universal language. And yes, departments do respond to English, and of course, those who would handle such foreigner affairs speak,read, and write in English as well.

In this case, we have a foreigner that doesn't speak German, and can't communicate in German, and needs to know what to do to start the process. Why Germany, of all places, is beyond me, but whatever.

Hell, even my introduction seminar after I was accepted was run in German and English.

For medicine, English is working towards becoming a mandatory language as an auswahlfach. Our group was told that even though it's a choice, they are making it informally mandatory.

Many universities are teaching principles of "globalisierung", and this fits within the guidelines of the reforms of the German degree system and the Bologna Convention (though not mandated by it). German students were at a distinct disadvantage, along with the fact that the population is increasing, but the number of jobs is not at the same rate (even shrinking), so they are trying to make German graduates competitive to find a job or futher education anywhere else in the world.

So long as it's a western German office, they have English.
 
well
thanks alot for such kind information.and i will try my best to act upon yor advise. infact last time i was in hurry so that,s why was not able to express the things in good way.you are kind person.
 
Hi everyone!!
I'm a medical student (actually graduating in a few months) from a non-EU country and I'm interested in doing my residency and specialization in Germany... I'm aware that I must be proficient in German, but what I can't find out is if some kind of boarding exam is required, something equivalent to USMLE exams for America... If anyone could give me this information, I would be very grateful! :)
 
Well, that makes a big difference to tell where you're from. I am amazed that so many come here, want info, and won't even tell where they're from, or pretend coming from places like Pakistan is the same as someone's question from the UK.

Anyhow, you have to contact the LPA directly, as eastern Europe sometimes has restrictions on the transfer and recognition of the licenses, plus the EU/non-EU is an issue.
 
Dear slight365, my idea of this kind of sites is that people come here to ask for a peace of information and other people that happen to know something and have time to share it, provide such information...simple as that! So there's no need to patronize...I just asked for a simple question-is there such a boarding exam for Germany like USMLE for America...so you could have just said "no". I didn't pretend I come from UK or something, I just put non EU as a general orientation... plus USMLE takes everyone that graduated outside the USA, coming from Pakistan, Serbia, UK or any other country...
Anyway, thank you for your information! Sorry if I've been to harsh... Good luck in your future work!
 
Hello
I'm a 4th year medical student from The University of the West Indies, St Augustine. Trinidad and Tobago. I'm interested in doing a residency in Germany. My projected start will be in May 2013 in the field of Plastic Surgery in Berlin.
Does anyone have information concerning the competition in this field for IMG/Non EU citizens within Berlin?
Thank You
 
Here are some details about residency in Germany for non-EU nationals:

You absolutely must speak German... there is not always a formal test, but if you are not sufficiently fluent to comunicate with patients/other doctors I doubt that any clinic will be willing to offer you a position.

The first step is to find a clinic that is interested in hiring you (there is no central "match" process for German residencies) the position is "Assistenzarzt/aerztin". Sometimes clinics advertise that they are hiring in the journal "Aertzeblatt" or online, otherwise you can just contact them directly. You cannot apply for a working permit without a job offer!

Once you have an offer you must apply for a "Berufserlaubnis" (working permit). At this point it will be determined if you have sufficient German skills and medical education equivalency etc. This process varies from state to state and is done on an individual basis. I have heard of cases where there is an oral equivalency exam, but I am not sure if that is standard.

For more detailed information you should look at the webpage of the "Landesaerztekammer" for the state you are interested in working in (Bayern, Hessen etc..). They provide links to the "Gesundheitsbehoerde" that is responsible for issuing the working permits. It is best to then contact someone directly... they will be able to tell how the process is done in your specific situation. Once again, this is done on an individual basis based on the job you are applying for, where you did your studies etc... consequently, it is hard to give too much specific info.

In general, you will be paid if you get a job. I do know of some foreign doctors that have done an unpaid practical year in Germany and then taken the second german licensing exam... Unfortunatly, I don't know if this option is offered to everyone or what benefit is gives an applicant.

I hope this could answer at least some of the questions...

yes thank you so much.
 
Are there any deadlines for applying for residency, or the residency can start at any time as soon as you get a job in the hospital?
To make it more clear, here in Macedonia the application process is in August, and the residency begins in October. I want to know if this is the case in Germany to?
 
hi,
i am a physician working in india at the moment and would like to know my prospects for work in germany as i may have to move with my husband who is german next year.i know i have to learn the language.apart from going about getting the resident and the work permit is there anything else that i should know???does an mrcp help?my husband plans to move back to leipzig east germany.........whats the scope there like???
would appriciate any info................:)
 
I am a citizen of Romania (EU country) and a medical student in my last year at medical univeersity in Moldova (non EU country). I would like to continue my education (medical residency) in Germany. I would appreciate any information (if it is possible, what is the procedure, the necessary papers, where should I apply, where should I search for more information etc.). I am fluent in English, Russian and Romanian and I started to study German.
Thank you
 
Hi
Can you please send the details of this law firm you have mentioned?
Thanks,would be really helpful.
Hi-

I am an American studying in Germany in my 7th semester. I don't exactly know what you are referring to when you say we pay for our internship-that isn't true. There are 13 grades of German high school, and they graduate with an "Abitur" (roughly equivalent to an associate's degree) and their med school is a 6-year program (2 pre-clinical years, 4 clinical, the last of which, the "Practical Year" or "PJ" is a mixture of 3rd and 4th year rotations in the States, meaning 4 months internal med, 4 months surgery and 4 months elective). AFter that you take your second board exam and are a doctor. Their "internship" (AiP= Arzt in Praktikum) no longer exists, you go right into residency, but back in the day you were paid as an AiP. Med school obviously costs money (70-500 Euros/semester, depending where) but residents here are paid about the same as in the states.

You definitely have to speak German here unless you are in an army hospital... You can get your credentials approved by the "landesprüfungsamt" in Düsseldorf and you have to do an "Anerkennungsjahr" if you are already a specialist in your home country and then take the specialist test again. It should be possible for you to contact hospitals for just a year of research or residency or whatever-I don't know exactly.

I do know of a law firm specialized in medical law, especially educational and licensing. send me a PM if you need the info!

Viel Glück!
 
I am an Indian citizen, born and brought up in Dubai, U.A.E. I completed my M.D from St.Petersburg in Russia and have been practising in India as an Emergency Medical Officer in a medical college hospital. Currently i am in Canada, just completed a PG diploma in clinical research from here. I am keen on obtaining a residency spot. I understand that i need learn the german language and be able to converse in german. Is it possible to know if i can obtain a residency spot before i start learning the language with my current position. I heard that germany has a shortage for doctors and so thought of it but i am also open to the idea of being able to do a residency anywhere in europe. I hope it will be a paid residency. I prefer a PG residency in Emergency medicine or any other available. Please advise me on my best options and how can i go about it.
Thankyou very much!
 
Hi-

I am an American studying in Germany in my 7th semester. I don't exactly know what you are referring to when you say we pay for our internship-that isn't true. There are 13 grades of German high school, and they graduate with an "Abitur" (roughly equivalent to an associate's degree) and their med school is a 6-year program (2 pre-clinical years, 4 clinical, the last of which, the "Practical Year" or "PJ" is a mixture of 3rd and 4th year rotations in the States, meaning 4 months internal med, 4 months surgery and 4 months elective). AFter that you take your second board exam and are a doctor. Their "internship" (AiP= Arzt in Praktikum) no longer exists, you go right into residency, but back in the day you were paid as an AiP. Med school obviously costs money (70-500 Euros/semester, depending where) but residents here are paid about the same as in the states.

You definitely have to speak German here unless you are in an army hospital... You can get your credentials approved by the "landesprüfungsamt" in Düsseldorf and you have to do an "Anerkennungsjahr" if you are already a specialist in your home country and then take the specialist test again. It should be possible for you to contact hospitals for just a year of research or residency or whatever-I don't know exactly.

I do know of a law firm specialized in medical law, especially educational and licensing. send me a PM if you need the info!

Viel Glück!


Sent you a pm, waiting for answer.
 
Hi...
Thankyou for the response. Is it possible to know from a hospital in advance if they would be willing to admit me into a residency program if i satisfy the German language requirements. In that case i have the option of learning the language knowing that i will get admitted otherwise if i spend time and money to learn the language and then they say that i dont qulaify due to some other reason i feel it would be a waste of time and money. How can i get my credentials assessed? Which hospitals would you recommend me to try and how do i approach them? Please do add in any more information that might be useful.

ThankYou.
 
HI,
I am an MBBS doctor in india,thats an undergrad programme,i would like to pursue my MD in Internal medicine or paediatrics in berlin,english education would be best,are there any courses available
 
iam student undergoing my mbbs programme in ukraine......iam in my fourth year and i will be completing my course in two years...iam interested in specialisation programmes in cardiology,gastroenterology,pediatrics,general surgery in germany

If someone has any information please share it.
 
hi,
i am on 4th year of medical school and i would like to have some answer about the condition for residencies in germany for non-ue students..and also some of the universities in berlin that offers german classes and intensive classes in medical german.
thank you .
 
hai friends im new to the site..I have completed my Bachelors in pharmacy in india.but my lifetime aimbition is to become a doctor.Now can do mbbs in germany?
if any such chances please tell me and send me via email......please i request you to respond as early as possible.its my humble request to you all.
in 10th class i have 90%
intermediate 85%
B.pharmacy 73%

I hope i will get the answer for my question soon...:confused:
 
I want to ask something about cardiology residency in belgium (preferably dutch part) and germany..since i m a non-EU 5th yr med student in ukraine.. i will graduate next yr june

1. For cardiology, how long is the residency?
2. for cardiology, which university or hospital that I should apply for medical residency?
3. what are the requirements? as i am ready to fulfill any
4. is it easy to get into the system?
4. do i get paid in the course of doing my residency?
5.what are my chances as a medical student(graduate) from ukraine.



kindly help guys..
 
whats ur idea about aacehen ?!
i had some friends there whom told me its very nice university city !
You pretty much have one of Europe's top schools (as well as internationally recognized) in Heidelberg.

I recommend not going to Leipzig, unless you're able to speak and understand Saxon-German. You could also run into difficulties there as a foreigner. Leipzig has a long reputation of random violence, as well as internationally known racial attacks against foreigners. I don't recommend foreigners go anywhere in the former east Germany, except for Berlin.
 
hi everyone.my name is mohammad gul, i recently got my MD degree from gomel state medical university in BELARUS.now i am willing to do my spesialization in general surgery in germany.what should do in order to study further in germany
 
I am a medical student doing my internship in a medical school in India. I aspire to be a surgeon. I read though your answers in the forum and found many information helpful. i would like to get your suggestion reg. option of working as a research assistant under some doctor or a hospital ( hopefully with a decent pay) for a couple of years while i can get hold of the language in the meantime, thereafter, apply to some medical university there for a post graduate training in surgery / orthopedics. This option was laid down by one of my senior professors in my medical school. i am keen to know the practicality of this option out of your experience. expecting an early reply :) thank you ..

Hi-

I am an American studying in Germany in my 7th semester. I don't exactly know what you are referring to when you say we pay for our internship-that isn't true. There are 13 grades of German high school, and they graduate with an "Abitur" (roughly equivalent to an associate's degree) and their med school is a 6-year program (2 pre-clinical years, 4 clinical, the last of which, the "Practical Year" or "PJ" is a mixture of 3rd and 4th year rotations in the States, meaning 4 months internal med, 4 months surgery and 4 months elective). AFter that you take your second board exam and are a doctor. Their "internship" (AiP= Arzt in Praktikum) no longer exists, you go right into residency, but back in the day you were paid as an AiP. Med school obviously costs money (70-500 Euros/semester, depending where) but residents here are paid about the same as in the states.

You definitely have to speak German here unless you are in an army hospital... You can get your credentials approved by the "landesprüfungsamt" in Düsseldorf and you have to do an "Anerkennungsjahr" if you are already a specialist in your home country and then take the specialist test again. It should be possible for you to contact hospitals for just a year of research or residency or whatever-I don't know exactly.

I do know of a law firm specialized in medical law, especially educational and licensing. send me a PM if you need the info!

Viel Glück!
 
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