Freaking out about IPPE intern hours...

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confettiflyer said:
lol, good lord, usually you aren't worth replying to...


I had the choice of making crap as an intern ($17.75/hr) or getting my real estate boogie on and take advantage of this giant mess of an economy.

I kind of have a lifestyle to maintain so I'm gonna do what I need to do to take care of that, so I'm going to maximize my time. It's called efficiency. I'll start putting in more hours later (if I choose to do it) at a higher price point and not an more than the 900 I need for CA licensure.

I'm a realist, I chose a profession that's stable, generally growing, and not as exposed to the cyclical nature of RE and business. If I strictly stuck to something I "loved" then I'd be broke, unable to maintain a certain lifestyle, and sucking off the government teat. That, sir, is unpatriotic! :luck:
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What the ****? Where did you work to get $17.75/hr? I'd kill for that.
 
i got tired of reading all the whining going on in this thread. Untwist the panties my friend. Stop crying like a little schoolgirl and man up and be proactive in your learning. You aren't going to learn **** as a clerk, why don't you ask to be shown things at your pharmacy? If your pharamcists treat you like a clerk, get a job somewhere else. in my retail job I was thrown in and was taught things on the fly. I had to use my brain for heavens sake! I ask questions at my hospital job and try to learn there. You sound so mindless for having a top 5% average. Ask questions, get involved STOP trying to be spoonfed!

Old timer is right, if it weren't for IPPE, there is no guarantee you would leave school and your clerk job knowing anything. you would be useless despite being so "smart".

Heres a thought, and this was actually something that a preceptor for IPPEs once told me; your work is going under their license. That means even though you spend a small portion of time with them, any work that you do ends up being their responsibility. I certainly would make sure that a student is competent enough to handle the responsibility that i would give. I don't want to lose my license over it either.

Cliff's notes: stop whining and learn
 
Sparda29 said:
What the ****? Where did you work to get $17.75/hr? I'd kill for that.
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CVS so-cal intern rate, they have a post up in the back. it goes like this:

3rd yr (P-1) = $16.75
4th yr (P-2) = $17.75
5th yr (P-3) = $18.75
6th yr (P-4) = $19.75

Grad intern = $21.75

Pharm tech (0-6mo) = $10.65
I think a tech tops out at $17-18 after 5yrs experience

*this is all from memory, but I'm certain about intern rates as my friends are getting the same pay rate.

Sparda -- Man, you're getting shafted out there, higher cost of living than so cal but none of the pay 👎
 
confettiflyer said:
CVS so-cal intern rate, they have a post up in the back. it goes like this:

3rd yr (P-1) = $16.75
4th yr (P-2) = $17.75
5th yr (P-3) = $18.75
6th yr (P-4) = $19.75

Grad intern = $21.75

Pharm tech (0-6mo) = $10.65
I think a tech tops out at $17-18 after 5yrs experience

*this is all from memory, but I'm certain about intern rates as my friends are getting the same pay rate.

Sparda -- Man, you're getting shafted out there, higher cost of living than so cal but none of the pay 👎
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Eh, I'm hoping that I can do some convincing to get paid outside of the scale. Maybe perhaps put some pressure on my Pharmacy Manager that I'd leave if not for more money, and since it would be a pain to replace a worker that's been there a while, maybe he'd put pressure on the District guy.
 
DoctorRx1986 said:
No, metrarx, when I say being in command, I mean being in command of myself/knowing what I'm doing. Not much else. Of course, the techs will know more than I do. I do not have any anxiety disorder; if I did, chances are I wouldn't have made it this far academically...and in the event that it's possible, chances are slim. Like I posted elsewhere, my reaction was exaggerated. And no, I have no reason to report you anyway, as I don't find your post offensive. Enough said.
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I don't think you have anxiety disorder but I do think you have a huge fear of failure. Tell me if I'm right. You have succeeded in pretty much everything you have done all your life. I'm guessing you avoided new experiences that you thought you might suck at. Since you are successful at everything you do, you aren't used to criticism so you don't react well or get defensive when you get some. You especially go nuts when you perceive this criticism to be harsh and you then perceive it as not being applicable to you. Am I right?

If I'm right and I don't know you so I'm just guessing, this is not going to serve you well in the real world. You are going to have setbacks. People are going to criticize you. You can either react defensively or you can at least consider what they are saying so you can learn and grow. You are going to fail at things. You will be doing yourself a disservice if you avoid situations where that can happen or you give yourself an ulcer worrying about it. You are going to have to learn to be resilient. Things don't work the same way in life as they do in academia. In school, you have so much more control over your successes and failures. In life, things can go wrong and sometimes you just have to pick up the pieces. Are you going to be able to do that?

Believe it or not, OldTimer was trying to help you. You can overreact to his tone or you can listen to what he is trying to tell you.
 
Very good, diastole. You're a smart guy/gal. You figured me out. I have no anxiety disorder. You summed everything up. In terms of limiting myself to what I have a natural aptitude for, this is true to an extent, but I mostly don't get involved in what I'm not interested in not necessarily because I fear I may be inept; I just usually have no curiosity or motivation to try it out even if I may be successful. I appreciate your courteous and eloquent response...what you said is something I will consider and keep in mind. Everything you have said is true and actually meaningful; maybe other members should learn from you and people like you and express their thoughts and opinions in a more humane and professional manner without having to resort to bashing me (or anyone in particular), getting my mother involved, or making me appear effeminate. Hostile tones and choice of words do not move me at all even if you or anyone here believes Old Timer was trying to help; I'm not moved one bit, just angered It's funny to see that mostly the pharmacists here are the ones who have the least tolerance and turn out to be the most audacious; the pre-pharmacy or pharmacy students appear to be more considerate and understanding. But anyway, thanks for your response. 👍
 
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Sparda29 said:
Eh, I'm hoping that I can do some convincing to get paid outside of the scale. Maybe perhaps put some pressure on my Pharmacy Manager that I'd leave if not for more money, and since it would be a pain to replace a worker that's been there a while, maybe he'd put pressure on the District guy.
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probably won't happen, i think you're overvaluing yourself...plus these scales are usually just set. Could you imagine all the interns attempting to negotiate? Pain in the arse. Easier to set a scale and tell people to live with it.
 
In the pharmacy forum - Posting is a bit more "physical".

That being said, please keep posting appropriate - both civil and on topic.

To the OP - Learn humility and perserverance early on. I still feel like a goober every now and again. As time goes by and your experience grows, you'll find these moments occur less and less.
 
VancTheTank said:
Not a bad idea in theory. In practice, it would be difficult to meet the intent of the IPPE rotation using this approach.

The experience based components of the curriculum are in-part passed down from ACPE. Colleges have to do the whole EPPE, IPPE, APPE thing in order to remain accredited. These rotations are supposed to provide known, measurable quantities of experience at different points in your professional education. You are also supposed to get exposure to various practice settings during these rotations.

If the colleges rely on paid work hours to meet these goals, several issues arise. The biggest are availability and quality assurance.

1) Can all students find a paying job for the required number of hours? Your college has to contract with sufficient IPPE sites to guarantee their students spots, not so with normal intern hours. What if no stores are hiring, or all of the intern spots are occupied by upperclassmen?

2) Will all students get similar experiences during their hours? IPPE rotations have syllabi, projects, and presentations. Interns work shifts. The school has to be able to demonstrate measurable outcomes from your rotation to count the hours as a "class". You get academic credit for the rotations, consider that your pay.

It can be frustrating, but try to look at it from your preceptor's pov. They are most likely not being paid any additional salary to precept you although they are putting in more time. You are really not helping them out, you are slowing them down. It is like training a brand new person every month. On the utility scale, interns who work for me 3+ years >>>>> IPPE students who are around for 5 weeks.

So why host IPPE students? Some pharmacists enjoy precepting and will take on the extra work for no pay because they find it rewarding. Some pharmacists are forced to be preceptors by their boss or facility. Guess which type you want to work with?

And btw, don't tell your IPPE preceptor that you think you should be getting paid. Usually doesn't go over too well.
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You are right about the availabillity. I just never thought about that b/c I have gotten really lucky in that I always got the job that I wanted in the location/retail company that I want it with. So I find it fairly easy to find a job. In fact I was asked to work 20 hours a week but wanted only 8 hours, so I didn't think it would be hard to find a intern job as a pharmacy student.

can you elaborate on the projects, presentations, etc. during your IPPE at a retail store? Sorry, I don't start pharmacy school until next month so I have NO idea what an IPPE is at a retail store. I figure you just do that exact SAME things as an intern except without pay. LOL...so if you can elaborate on what an IPPE student does please do. thanks.

lastly, I totally understand what you mean. Training someone with NO clue on what they are doing is very annoying. I am sure most people, if not all would hate it. However, since I have experience (~6 months) hopfully I will know most of the stuff and not have to bother the pharmacist when I am doing my IPPE. I really want to do my IPPE at Costco or Sam's Club...I wonder if I can put in my request....
 
My friends were placed in retail locations for their community IPPE's last semester--our experiential director made note of previous employment and made sure they WEREN'T placed in the same chain.

Most preceptors were receptive and didn't really require the students to do much of anything (my friends did jump in and answer phones/etc... when it got busy). Apparently we were expressly forbidden from ringing up the cash register (even though I wanted to help...it was slow) and our experiential director made it a point to ask us what we were doing. Preceptors understood we were there unpaid and made sure we weren't treated like the tech monkeys that were actually getting paid.

So lots of standing around, talking, shooting the breeze, and reading.

We did have the advantage of only having <70 students in our entire school, so we got a lot of one-on-one attention from our director, so feedback was taken and changes instituted the next semester. We had a few "bad apple" preceptors (2-3 max) and were removed from the pool the following semester. Usually they were not present when the student showed up.
 
confettiflyer said:
My friends were placed in retail locations for their community IPPE's last semester--our experiential director made note of previous employment and made sure they WEREN'T placed in the same chain.

Most preceptors were receptive and didn't really require the students to do much of anything (my friends did jump in and answer phones/etc... when it got busy). Apparently we were expressly forbidden from ringing up the cash register (even though I wanted to help...it was slow) and our experiential director made it a point to ask us what we were doing. Preceptors understood we were there unpaid and made sure we weren't treated like the tech monkeys that were actually getting paid.

So lots of standing around, talking, shooting the breeze, and reading.

We did have the advantage of only having <70 students in our entire school, so we got a lot of one-on-one attention from our director, so feedback was taken and changes instituted the next semester. We had a few "bad apple" preceptors (2-3 max) and were removed from the pool the following semester. Usually they were not present when the student showed up.
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Yeah, I think we might have had a couple of bad preceptors who either completely forgot about the thing, or asked the intern to sign off on something that didn't happen (I think one of the CVS preceptors asked the intern to sign off on a PCI sheet even though they didn't complete it).
 
DoctorRx1986 said:
I completely shut my father out of my life three years ago and have never spoken to him since...he was having one of his "tough" episodes with me so I could learn something
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So when you were yelling at Old Timer before, were you yelling at him or yelling at your dad? 😉
 
Sparda29 said:
Eh, I'm hoping that I can do some convincing to get paid outside of the scale. Maybe perhaps put some pressure on my Pharmacy Manager that I'd leave if not for more money, and since it would be a pain to replace a worker that's been there a while, maybe he'd put pressure on the District guy.
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You're kidding, right?
 
Sparda29 said:
No harm in trying.
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If you are a very good tech, then I am sure it will work. No pharmacist will be dumb enough to lose a good tech. And if they can't find anyone to replace you they will be short staffed. So its worth a try.
 
SHC1984 said:
If you are a very good tech, then I am sure it will work. No pharmacist will be dumb enough to lose a good tech. And if they can't find anyone to replace you they will be short staffed. So its worth a try.
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sparda will have to put on a good show such that the DM/manager will actually believe he would leave.
 
Sparda29 said:
No harm in trying.
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The recession gives all upper management (in all industries) limited budgets and they're already on their toes trying to low ball their staff. Good luck though. I'll be rooting for you like I'm rooting for the Mets to make the World Series. 🙄
 
Kirbypuff said:
The recession gives all upper management (in all industries) limited budgets and they're already on their toes trying to low ball their staff. Good luck though. I'll be rooting for you like I'm rooting for the Mets to make the World Series. 🙄
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Oh god, the Mets. Don't get me started with them. Hey, I mean we've won the last 4 in a row though.
 
Sparda29 said:
Oh god, the Mets. Don't get me started with them. Hey, I mean we've won the last 4 in a row though.
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Well, they broke my heart last year in August after an amazing season, I'm hoping for an inverse effect this year. Crappy season and kick ass finale. 😎 I'm just waiting for Reyes to come back.
 
SHC1984 said:
can you elaborate on the projects, presentations, etc. during your IPPE at a retail store? Sorry, I don't start pharmacy school until next month so I have NO idea what an IPPE is at a retail store. I figure you just do that exact SAME things as an intern except without pay. LOL...so if you can elaborate on what an IPPE student does please do. thanks.

lastly, I totally understand what you mean. Training someone with NO clue on what they are doing is very annoying. I am sure most people, if not all would hate it. However, since I have experience (~6 months) hopfully I will know most of the stuff and not have to bother the pharmacist when I am doing my IPPE. I really want to do my IPPE at Costco or Sam's Club...I wonder if I can put in my request....
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Your school will give you a list of things they want you to do during IPPE. To give you an idea for IPPE at retail store, we had to do the following:

1) Take patient medical histories - write down any prescription drugs, vitamins, herbals, and supplements. The route of use, frequency, and basically that's the sig code. Make a note of when they first started using any medications, and who was the prescribe (or if it was self determined).

2) Complete a medication review at the request of any pharmacy staff member - this involves searching information on a drug, finding out it's use, side effects, adverse effects, pill identification, etc. You will have to go to scientific sources for these reviews in order for the data to be acceptable.

3) Choose a patient and complete a presentation regarding their medication use, their medical history, and improvements for the patient if possible. I chose a patient who I also completed a medical history on, a two birds with one stone type of thing. You have to ask your school's pharmacy department if you're allowed to do this.

I don't remember anything else, there were a few other things on the checklist. But I hope this gives you an idea of what to expect. Good luck with your IPPE!
 
Sparda29 said:
Just last year? I think we Mets fans are used to getting our heart broken.
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It's true. I have collapsed in front of my TV after we lost to the Cardinals in the '06 post season. But last year's line up was freakin awesome. We had Pedro AND Santana... and I always thought Joe Smith was promising. We had it in the bag!!! And then AHHHHH I felt betrayed... 🙁
 
Kirbypuff said:
It's true. I have collapsed in front of my TV after we lost to the Cardinals in the '06 post season. But last year's line up was freakin awesome. We had Pedro AND Santana... and I always thought Joe Smith was promising. We had it in the bag!!! And then AHHHHH I felt betrayed... 🙁
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I cried after '06. When Endy made that catch, there was no way the Mets were losing. Every time I hear of Heilman and Yadier I want to hurt someone.
 
Praziquantel86 said:
I cried after '06. When Endy made that catch, there was no way the Mets were losing. Every time I hear of Heilman and Yadier I want to hurt someone.
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HAHAHA for me it's "Poo-holes" that gets me upset. To this day, if I see someone wearing a red goatee, I snarl a little bit on the inside.
 
Pianopooh said:
Your school will give you a list of things they want you to do during IPPE. To give you an idea for IPPE at retail store, we had to do the following:

1) Take patient medical histories - write down any prescription drugs, vitamins, herbals, and supplements. The route of use, frequency, and basically that's the sig code. Make a note of when they first started using any medications, and who was the prescribe (or if it was self determined).

2) Complete a medication review at the request of any pharmacy staff member - this involves searching information on a drug, finding out it's use, side effects, adverse effects, pill identification, etc. You will have to go to scientific sources for these reviews in order for the data to be acceptable.

3) Choose a patient and complete a presentation regarding their medication use, their medical history, and improvements for the patient if possible. I chose a patient who I also completed a medical history on, a two birds with one stone type of thing. You have to ask your school's pharmacy department if you're allowed to do this.

I don't remember anything else, there were a few other things on the checklist. But I hope this gives you an idea of what to expect. Good luck with your IPPE!
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thanks for in the info. Sounds like something I will do. 🙂
 
Kirbypuff said:
HAHAHA for me it's "Poo-holes" that gets me upset. To this day, if I see someone wearing a red goatee, I snarl a little bit on the inside.
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That's why I hate the Cardinals and the Phillies. It seems that a lot of their players have this damn pubic hair looking goatee going 👎

Did you hear that the Mets players have refused to shave their beards until the team is back at .500? Personally, I would have preferred them to refuse to shave until they were leading the division or leading the wild card. I went to today's day game, I was like sitting right near Jeff Francoeur.
 
VancTheTank said:
You mean BaLLnOuTraGEouS? :laugh:
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This thread is better than Jon Stewart, honestly. It's like the soap opera of the internet.

Completely agree with OldTimer though.

You won't be perfect and it is crazy to think you will be. This coming from a fellow P2 who is younger than you are.
 
Sparda29 said:
That's why I hate the Cardinals and the Phillies. It seems that a lot of their players have this damn pubic hair looking goatee going 👎

Did you hear that the Mets players have refused to shave their beards until the team is back at .500? Personally, I would have preferred them to refuse to shave until they were leading the division or leading the wild card. I went to today's day game, I was like sitting right near Jeff Francoeur.
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DROOL!!! Dayem you baller! What section were you seated at?? The best section I got tix this year was 126... and that was a gift! Holy crap. So are they really growing beards? Since you got a close look. Seriously, I am praying for wildcard. I think the Mets don't give a crap this year about performance bc they can bank on the new stadium for revenue. Did you get shake shack? =) I love their chicken nachos with jalepenos!! =D
 
Kirbypuff said:
DROOL!!! Dayem you baller! What section were you seated at?? The best section I got tix this year was 126... and that was a gift! Holy crap. So are they really growing beards? Since you got a close look. Seriously, I am praying for wildcard. I think the Mets don't give a crap this year about performance bc they can bank on the new stadium for revenue. Did you get shake shack? =) I love their chicken nachos with jalepenos!! =D
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I was in section 106, row 9. I went for the day game of the double header, and unfortunately my dad scheduled his minor surgery for like 12PM so I had to go there first, and by the time I got to the game it was already the Top of the 8th...*******s don't do refunds or exchanges on tickets. Those were the closest I've been to the field since like 2003 (when they sucked, so the tickets were CHEAP).

However, the most expensive tickets I got were a gift to my mom from her employer (Citibank). 2 tickets to the Empire Suites. Free food and drinks and booze, unfortunately I don't drink alcohol. But like the suite had a bunch of couches, a few big screen TVs, then you go through this sliding door to your outdoor porch-like seats.

I didn't get to go to the shake shack, but I tried this weird thing called Fried Dough, which was oddly just like a flat funnel cake.
 
Sparda29 said:
That's why I hate the Cardinals and the Phillies. It seems that a lot of their players have this damn pubic hair looking goatee going 👎

Did you hear that the Mets players have refused to shave their beards until the team is back at .500? Personally, I would have preferred them to refuse to shave until they were leading the division or leading the wild card. I went to today's day game, I was like sitting right near Jeff Francoeur.
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National League East
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Philadelphia ......58-42..........(.580)..........-
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Florida ............53-49...........(.520)..........6
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Atlanta .........52-50...........(.510)..........7
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New York ........49-52...........(.485)..........9.5 (10 Games back in the loss column)
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Washington .....32-70...........(.314)...........27

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I guess they will all look like Orthodox Jews by the end of the year if they follow your plan. The Mets are cooked. Sorry. You will be sucking the Phillies exhaust for a long time..... They are better, younger and have a stronger farm system
 
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Old Timer said:
I guess they will all look like Orthodox Jews by the end of the year if they follow your plan. The Mets are cooked. Sorry. You will be sucking the Phillies exhaust for a long time..... They are better, younger and have a stronger farm system
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lol, Orthodox Jews :laugh:
 
Old Timer said:
National League East
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Philadelphia ......58-42..........(.580)..........-
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Florida ............53-49...........(.520)..........6
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Atlanta .........52-50...........(.510)..........7
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New York ........49-52...........(.485)..........9.5 (10 Games back in the loss column)
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Washington .....32-70...........(.314)...........27

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I guess they will all look like Orthodox Jews by the end of the year if they follow your plan. The Mets are cooked. Sorry. You will be sucking the Phillies exhaust for a long time..... They are better, younger and have a stronger farm system
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Which is why I said or the wild card. I think they are like 6 games back in that.
 
Old Timer said:
By the way, you reside in Filthydelphia
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Filthy or filtha? I've only seen the latter (shirts, people pronouncing it, etc...)

Either way, it's filthy all right. We need a Great Fire like Chicago and a "bus the homeless" program a la NYC.

How about this...I'm in pharmacy school so I can afford to not live in trash and filth!
 
Sparda and Praziquantel --- GRAND SLAM BABY!!! 😀
 
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