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Im in a 4 year dual track osteopathic medicine program with a 4th year in all EM/Trauma.

Again, more complete education with more opportunities after. best thing that ever happened to me.

Actually whats funny is that after all those years in ED I never really appreciated how great intensive medicine was. I could spend my entire career in the ICU and be very happy. I will always enjopy the ED and obviously could work ER without difficulty but there is really something to be said for expanding your experiences.

Seriously, I am ridiculously happy Im not in the original program I applied to. :)

I also see nothing wrong with being "EM" "certified" thru the AA of physician specialists. The country needs ER docs. Unless you are in a trauma center ya really dont need to much of the trauma beyond that of ATLS.

Illagally smooth---you sound like an amazingly beautiful woman.

Is illagally similar to illegally?

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even here huh? In front of everyone???!!! lol and after I complimented you
 
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You can't express tone over a web based forum, that was not meant to be condescending, simply a statement of opinion.

My statement has nothing to do with clinician ability, I have no doubt he's a good clinician. My statement is more political than anything else. Do I know there is a shortage of EP working rural EDs? Yes. Doesn't change my opinion that non- EM boarded physicians shouldn't be staffing EDs.


Then my suggestion would be that you fly EVERYWHERE you ever go, and only to MAJOR cities. Because outside academic hospitals, and about 30 miles outside any MAJOR city, you will usually find yourself at an emergency department staffed by non boarded, non EM trained doctors. Make sure you remind them when you get sick or hurt anywhere along I-80, I-35, I-95, I1-, I-20, that you don't think they should be practicing there. There MAY come a day that we have twice as many EM trained doctors, but my guess is at that time the city jobs will just become more competitive and the semi-rural and rural hospitals will still be wishing for EP's. Academic medicine aside, politics of medicine often has more to do with measuring one's private member than anything else. That said, as I mentioned before, I do not feel that non EM trained doctors should carry the board certification in EM title.

EM physicians inherently love to get the dispo, and get the patient moving to their next destination, but we are often a little less informed than we should be about what actually occurs at those particular destination. ICU medicine is a completely different beast than EM, though along the same lines. ICU medicine is where EM/IM becomes a hybrid type. If I had to actually care for someone in the ICU now, I would need a lot of help. Sure I could intubate them, set some initial vent settings and maybe even make minor adjustments. But the real day to day medicine that occurs on the floors and in the ICU's is better left to those particular physicians. And Bandit by virtue of spending a ton of time in emergency medicine already, is probably now one of the more qualified physicians out there. Probably the most well rounded physician around is a surgeon who does a critical care fellowship for 2 years. Next to that I would place an EM doc with a critical care fellowship. And that is basically what Bandit has done.

Bandit, come work with us any time!
 
Then my suggestion would be that you fly EVERYWHERE you ever go, and only to MAJOR cities. Because outside academic hospitals, and about 30 miles outside any MAJOR city, you will usually find yourself at an emergency department staffed by non boarded, non EM trained doctors. Make sure you remind them when you get sick or hurt anywhere along I-80, I-35, I-95, I1-, I-20, that you don't think they should be practicing there. There MAY come a day that we have twice as many EM trained doctors, but my guess is at that time the city jobs will just become more competitive and the semi-rural and rural hospitals will still be wishing for EP's. Academic medicine aside, politics of medicine often has more to do with measuring one's private member than anything else. That said, as I mentioned before, I do not feel that non EM trained doctors should carry the board certification in EM title.

EM physicians inherently love to get the dispo, and get the patient moving to their next destination, but we are often a little less informed than we should be about what actually occurs at those particular destination. ICU medicine is a completely different beast than EM, though along the same lines. ICU medicine is where EM/IM becomes a hybrid type. If I had to actually care for someone in the ICU now, I would need a lot of help. Sure I could intubate them, set some initial vent settings and maybe even make minor adjustments. But the real day to day medicine that occurs on the floors and in the ICU's is better left to those particular physicians. And Bandit by virtue of spending a ton of time in emergency medicine already, is probably now one of the more qualified physicians out there. Probably the most well rounded physician around is a surgeon who does a critical care fellowship for 2 years. Next to that I would place an EM doc with a critical care fellowship. And that is basically what Bandit has done.

Bandit, come work with us any time!

Again, I know the reality. You make it sound as if I don't trust non-boarded EM physicians, which isn't the case, again this has absolutely nothing to do with clinician skill.
 
Kind words pal. Thanx

illegallysmooth---what file???!!! lolol you print out my posts? aaahhhh OK ;)
 
Yes. Doesn't change my opinion that non- EM boarded physicians shouldn't be staffing EDs.

Man, that draws me back to the old days working as a medic at the Air Force Regional Medical center at Wiesbaden, Germany in 1984. Medical Officer of the Day, picked to work solo in our ED that would see 120 patients an evening. Some days you would get the experienced trauma surgeon, but you could just as easily end up baby sitting the pathologist who had not seen a living patient since his last MOD shift 4 months prior....
 
Congrats PACMD!

I mean, I guess if I count the hours I spend studying, I "could" work full time if the job hours were flexible. But, I just don't know how people have the energy to go to work all day, then study all night (and weekends before big tests). Who the hell has that kind of energy?

I worked a full-time 8am-5pm day job and did my 4yrs of college full-time at night 5pm - midnight. Projects, reports, research, study, etc. mostly on weekends.

I burned out pretty good halfway through year 4 so it ended up taking me 4.5yrs to finish.

2years later I went back to grad school and did the same all over again except I did grad school part-time. I met many people that did their grad school (MBA or JD) while working full time jobs.

Personally, I didn't do it because I had the energy, but because I had to work to support myself through school, and my employers ended up paying for both degrees through tuition reimbursement.

MD/DO is out of the question at my age, but I plan on working through RN/PA programs (though the recommendation is not to).

On average, Americans spend 5hrs per day watching TV. That's 25hrs of work or study right there. Besides, the same bad TV re-runs will still be there waiting for you when you finish school. :)
 
PACMD, you rock. I wonder if you also have photographic memory in that you had so little time to study between lectures and work.
 
I'm guessing PACMD was older than average, and probably not in the dating scene, or dealing with little kids, etc.

That tends to be a common theme with more stable, older students. They're pretty focused on work / school and not distracted with other things.
 
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