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I go over to the human med side of SDN and recently found a good thread about fun/cool cases in the ER subforum. I think it would be fun to share cases we liked, found interesting, etc.

This week I had an adult Husky come in for xylitol toxicity of 2.0-2.4g/kg (4x the hepatotoxicity level). Hospitalized thinking he'd die despite my best efforts. Nope! Kiddos BG maintained normal levels the whole time. Liver values never changed. And the psychopath howled and hollered the whole time on ace, gaba, and trazodone.
 
I go over to the human med side of SDN and recently found a good thread about fun/cool cases in the ER subforum. I think it would be fun to share cases we liked, found interesting, etc.

This week I had an adult Husky come in for xylitol toxicity of 2.0-2.4g/kg (4x the hepatotoxicity level). Hospitalized thinking he'd die despite my best efforts. Nope! Kiddos BG maintained normal levels the whole time. Liver values never changed. And the psychopath howled and hollered the whole time on ace, gaba, and trazodone.

RIP to your ear drums.
 
I go over to the human med side of SDN and recently found a good thread about fun/cool cases in the ER subforum. I think it would be fun to share cases we liked, found interesting, etc.

This week I had an adult Husky come in for xylitol toxicity of 2.0-2.4g/kg (4x the hepatotoxicity level). Hospitalized thinking he'd die despite my best efforts. Nope! Kiddos BG maintained normal levels the whole time. Liver values never changed. And the psychopath howled and hollered the whole time on ace, gaba, and trazodone.
When I was a student we had one at 8mg/kg who came in lateral and hypoglycemic. She had wicked high liver enzymes (I think like ALT 8-10k but this was many years ago) but never progressed to fulminant failure and left hospital doing well a week later.
 
When I was a student we had one at 8mg/kg who came in lateral and hypoglycemic. She had wicked high liver enzymes (I think like ALT 8-10k but this was many years ago) but never progressed to fulminant failure and left hospital doing well a week later.

Do you mean 8g/kg? 8mg/kg of xylitol won't even stimulate insulin release at all.
 
Had an older spayed dog come in for lethargy and adr. Clearly anemic. Kidney failure. P rapidly declined and passed in hospital. Necropsy showed diffuse cancer and cause of death was cardiac tamponade. Was very sad but thankful the o let us necropsy. Took chest rads post mortem and didn't show Mets but those lungs were full of tiny spots.
 
Younger cane corso puppy counter surfed and took the fork with the food! Ended up vomiting it up himself. 🤣

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Okay. So funnily enough I was over at the human ER sub forum again, reread that entire thread about ER wild cases again, and then was like, "I wonder if we have a thread on cool cases 🤔"

So here I am, resurrecting a thread I made after rereading a thread I read 6 months ago 🤣

I incidentally found a splenic mass on rads in a kiddo where I was looking for rocks a few weeks ago. They ended up doing initial work-up with me, then transferring to specialty for surgery and potentially chemo!
 
P had anemic episode ~1mo ago. Hadnt been to a vet-found 6/6 murmur with thrill and DM. Threw the kitchen sink at it got better. Came back Tuesday with ascites. Got ascites drained and finally went to heaven today.

P with ~1 month lethargy since I first saw her. Had like a 0.2 hyperglobulinemia 1 month ago. Came back 2 weeks later and o thought just issues getting up so Got carprofen. Came back Wednesday ~2 weeks later for continued decline. Azotemia and hyperglobulinemia. Suspect lymphoma. Hospitalized on fluids and azotemia got worse. I'm guessing we will euthanize this next week unless her acth comes back positive or her steroids are magical.

9yr great Dane hx of not eating enlarged submamdibular ln ended up erlichia positive. Really hoping that's what it is for this patient.

Duckling accidently stepped on by child broken tib fib went to heaven but I was ready to try.
 
Okay. So funnily enough I was over at the human ER sub forum again, reread that entire thread about ER wild cases again, and then was like, "I wonder if we have a thread on cool cases 🤔"

So here I am, resurrecting a thread I made after rereading a thread I read 6 months ago 🤣
Laugh react for this portion 😂
 
I have a dog hospitalized for bad cluster seizures. He's a young golden, and he has escalated through zonisamide, keppra and phenobarbital treatment and is still routinely having seizures. He's been seen by neuro and had the MRI/CSF, so suspect "just" a bad epileptic.

He had a home cluster and got started on clorazepate and higher keppra, had another and was hospitalized. Had two more seizures back to back and earned himself a midazolam CRI.

He's been annoyingly whiny and dysphoric on it per normal, but no more seizures. Was about to go outside for a walk last night and suddenly starts the preamble to throw up.

Me: dude, c'mon, you have a really big problem already don't add to it.

He throws up, walks a couple more steps, vomited again....

Throws up Minnie Mouse, beanbag version:

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No more vomiting since. Why you'd want to swallow a fist sized beanbag whole like a freaking boa constrictor, unknown, but at least he got rid of it for us!
 
Well now, let me try to post this without accidentally hitting post on an unfinished comment...

Part of me was going to wait until I have more results to share this one, but I don't know if or when the owner is going to pursue the additional testing so that, what the heck.

I had a patient last week in for lactating. Not pregnant. Normally this is false pregnancy but the timeline is a little off for that. I found out that apparently hypothyroidism can cause lactation and I think that might be what is going on here.

But not confirmed yet because we haven't run a thyroid panel. T4 is really low though and remainder of bloodwork is unremarkable.
 
Well now, let me try to post this without accidentally hitting post on an unfinished comment...

Part of me was going to wait until I have more results to share this one, but I don't know if or when the owner is going to pursue the additional testing so that, what the heck.

I had a patient last week in for lactating. Not pregnant. Normally this is false pregnancy but the timeline is a little off for that. I found out that apparently hypothyroidism can cause lactation and I think that might be what is going on here.

But not confirmed yet because we haven't run a thyroid panel. T4 is really low though and remainder of bloodwork is unremarkable.

Any chance of a pituitary lesion? A lactotroph adenoma/prolactinoma pumping out prolactin and messing up the other cells in that area (e.g suppressing the thyrotrophs, corticotrophs, etc)

I always try to find cancer though, so take me with a grain of salt hah. It could be just the whole pituitary gland getting hyped up due to feedback from the thyroids. Any signs of cortisol imbalance?
 
Any chance of a pituitary lesion? A lactotroph adenoma/prolactinoma pumping out prolactin and messing up the other cells in that area (e.g suppressing the thyrotrophs, corticotrophs, etc)

I always try to find cancer though, so take me with a grain of salt hah. It could be just the whole pituitary gland getting hyped up due to feedback from the thyroids. Any signs of cortisol imbalance?

I hope not! I don't need any more surprise cancer. I'm having a run of it.

She has no other symptoms though. I mean she's a little overweight but like, "pet weight" and everything else is normal. She's just lactating when she shouldn't be.
 
I incidentally found a splenic mass on rads in a kiddo where I was looking for rocks a few weeks ago. They ended up doing initial work-up with me, then transferring to specialty for surgery and potentially chemo!
This kiddo got through his surgery well and has started chemotherapy for hemangiosarcoma. I know the odds weren't exactly in his favor, but I was really hoping this family would be lucky with a hematoma or something. Should have known better; there was no normal spleen left. It was all tumor.
 
Fun case last week

360 degree GDV. Had intermittent signs for prior 18 hours. Looked like a bit funky GD on films but tachycardic unable to pass tube. Took to surgery and confirmed 360 torsion. Did great and went home next day. Now I probably won’t see another one.
 
Fun case last week

360 degree GDV. Had intermittent signs for prior 18 hours. Looked like a bit funky GD on films but tachycardic unable to pass tube. Took to surgery and confirmed 360 torsion. Did great and went home next day. Now I probably won’t see another one.
I had one in a previously pexied dog last year! (a normal 180 GDV, not 360 - just a neat GDV case).

On explore the pexy was still intact, just very small and stretttchhhhed and almost identical to the diagram from a published similar situation.

Cool case, dog did well.

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Dog literally swallowed a bee/other stinging insect. Ended up in anaphylaxis with a hemoabdomen. Got a blood transfusion.

My dog loves to bite at bees, and I've always been worried she'd do that. Just another reason to be vigilant.
 
Was on a 2p-2a swing last night that ended at 3:30am.

11yr MN Lab comes in with a report of swallowing one of the stuffed lambies (about 6-7in long) whole. Client (owner's dad since owner out of town) brought in another lamby for comparison. Kicker: dog had a lar par tie back procedure a year before and so we could not induce emesis. Dog had two options: endoscopy or gastrotomy. Client consented to try for endoscopy for a bunch of reasons: safety, cost (2800-3400 vs 5500-7500), recover, etc. The goal was to get this done by midnight so I could leave shift early.

Never plan on leaving a swing shift early. I even know this and yet I still keep planning on leaving swing shifts early.

Original plan of being in the scope by 10:30/11. Well, don't even get into the pyo till 8. And critical/CPR things just kept coming in! So we roll into the scope at 1am. Fam. These lambs suck to get out of the stomach. Absolute trash. Kept going between the ratigators and snare; cm by cm we pull this thing into the esophagus. But the damn lamb is stuck by the lower esophageal sphincter. We hit 2:30 and I look at the tech (our only VTS) and I'm like, "I'm reaching the end of my limit here soon. Let's convert to gastrotomy at 2:45" (the overnight doctor has not been trained on scope, so no choice but to go to gastro). She's like, cool; cause I'm 31.5 weeks pregnant and have been awake since 6:15am, been on shift since 2, and live 30 miles away in a metro area. We get to 2:52 and she's like, "Can you go to 3?" and I'm like, sure.

Fam. She's holding the scope, I'm driving, and an assistant has been handling the snare/ratigators. We grab this lamb at the base right by the LES and *pull*. There's a decent 15 seconds of tug and then BAM no more resistance. The tech and I look at each other and I say, "I'm going to ****ing cry if we just got it!!!" (can't tell on the screen cause of the lamby fur). We pull that sucker out of this dog right at 2:58am. Cheers and high fives all the way around!!!!

Definitely worthwhile to learn how to scope, my dudes.
 
One of my last cases before dipping out of ER a few years ago was an autotransfusion in a 180lb 1.5y great dane. pDVM spayed her earlier that day (tiniest incision relative to body size that I've ever seen in my life...like 2 inches long), either didn't tie off the ovarian pedicle well, it slipped, something.

They took a few hours to realize something was wrong (basically the dog collapsed when they tried to discharge her) and they just booted her to me. By the time she got to me, we couldn't get a blood pressure, gums nearly white, lactate was like 10 or something. We had blood on hand, but it would have been too time consuming to crossmatch every unit we would have needed to give (also the autotransfusion saved the owners the cost of multiple transfusions...). I think I put something like 1500-2000ml of blood back into circulation before they rolled her back into the OR with her tail starting to wag again. We rechecked her lactate for fun at that point, it had dropped by half.

Very rewarding case and one I think of often. The owners were incredible people, too. Apparently that was the first autotransfusion that hospital had seen in many years, so that was cool. Had quite a crowd around me while I was doing it - no pressure.
 
One of my last cases before dipping out of ER a few years ago was an autotransfusion in a 180lb 1.5y great dane. pDVM spayed her earlier that day (tiniest incision relative to body size that I've ever seen in my life...like 2 inches long), either didn't tie off the ovarian pedicle well, it slipped, something.

They took a few hours to realize something was wrong (basically the dog collapsed when they tried to discharge her) and they just booted her to me. By the time she got to me, we couldn't get a blood pressure, gums nearly white, lactate was like 10 or something. We had blood on hand, but it would have been too time consuming to crossmatch every unit we would have needed to give (also the autotransfusion saved the owners the cost of multiple transfusions...). I think I put something like 1500-2000ml of blood back into circulation before they rolled her back into the OR with her tail starting to wag again. We rechecked her lactate for fun at that point, it had dropped by half.

Very rewarding case and one I think of often. The owners were incredible people, too. Apparently that was the first autotransfusion that hospital had seen in many years, so that was cool. Had quite a crowd around me while I was doing it - no pressure.
The first autotransfusion I did at my ER, our criticalist goes: "I'd just make sure you use the stored blood first!

I... immediately ignored him because I'm stubborn, lol.

She was a ~150lb Dane with 4/4 effusion. We had a single either 250 or 400ish mL bag of dog blood - don't remember because it's been a couple years, but basically a "spitting into the ocean" quantity for her size.

I dumped over 2L back into the dog before we cut her and she still had a decent amount in her abdomen on explore. Autotransfusions are absolutely one of my faaaaavvveee low cost, high reward techniques.

Related, also fave: blood patch pleurodesis.
 
The first autotransfusion I did at my ER, our criticalist goes: "I'd just make sure you use the stored blood first!

I... immediately ignored him because I'm stubborn, lol.

She was a ~150lb Dane with 4/4 effusion. We had a single either 250 or 400ish mL bag of dog blood - don't remember because it's been a couple years, but basically a "spitting into the ocean" quantity for her size.

I dumped over 2L back into the dog before we cut her and she still had a decent amount in her abdomen on explore. Autotransfusions are absolutely one of my faaaaavvveee low cost, high reward techniques.

Related, also fave: blood patch pleurodesis.
Never got to do one of those!

I don't know why you'd want to blow through the stores of donor blood when you have liters of perfectly good blood to reuse, lol. That much blood/cross matching in a great dane would easily be $3-4000 before you even got into the OR (although I guess that answers why a select few would prefer donor blood first...).
 
I don't know why you'd want to blow through the stores of donor blood when you have liters of perfectly good blood to reuse, lol.
Right? One person told me due to risk of cancer. But the way I saw it, if it has a cancerous spleen/liver, it's too late anyways. Dog either dies now or dies later.
 
Never got to do one of those!
Okay this is one of my fave stories - I wrote one of my ABVP summaries on the case - and it was actually on July 4th two years ago, so... nice and topical!

Context: I practice about 45 minutes outside of the big metro area I live in. During COVID especially, I got some absolutely bat**** referrals when NOBODY had the staff to see patients - like, multiple "I have a confirmed septic abdomen and no boarded surgeons able to cut in the city, will you do it?" type situations. (It's fun, love my job lol).

But man, sometimes it's quite the adventure.

SCENE: It's like 10PM on July 4th. Our reception had stepped out and the phone rang back - all the techs had hands on animals, so I grabbed the phone and introduced myself as firstname like I always do to stay ~ninja~.

There's a vet on the line, calling about a possible transfer. firstname asks for a bit more information, and then I drop the ruse to introduce myself as the doctor and chat.

I am the SEVENTH hospital she has called. She has a HBC (scared by fireworks into the street) dog with some pelvic fractures and a pneumothorax she's had to tap once, but she's at a nights and weekend-y ER that closes in the morning... so she's trying to get the dog somewhere to both monitor the respiratory stuff and then fix the fractures eventually.

My hospital is honestly fairly full, but if she's calling to where I work, you're pretty much talking... 2.5-3+ hours out if I say no to get to another 24/7 hospital. I think she almost cried when I said I'd take the dog. Asked please to make sure he's as stable as he can be before getting on the road, then send him over.

He comes in a touch tachypneic and I tap like a liter of air off his chest. It's been at least four or five hours since the first tap at this point, though, and he's also got some contusion, so I just talk to the owner about potentially needing a chest tube if it recurs again and start him on O2/pain meds/resp watch.

The night was busy, but like four hours later he's doing fine, I'm writing records in the doctors office and I hear faintly "Dr. Trilt~!"
Okay, my staff do not yell for me instead of calling me unless something is actively dying so I HUSTLE over to ICU and that dog is PURPLE. He is orthopneic, he is struggling, and my (very good) ICU tech is like "I SWEAR I JUST LOOKED AT HIM a second ago!"

Very VERY quickly tapped ~2.5L of air off his chest with a butterfly, and in the time it takes me to gather the supplies to slap a chest tube in... the dog is visibly dyspneic again. Placed the chest tube the fastest I ever have and started pulling air and... after 6 liters we're still not getting negative pressure.

Definitely a "****, did I stab this dog in the lungs?" moment, lol.

Took a placement rad and it's beautiful (phew) beyond a moderate pneumothorax (boo), then tap another half liter off immediately after the rad.
Five minutes later, almost another liter.

The owners are, of course, not answering their phones because it's like 4AM in the morning. Try multiple times over the next hour, while I literally just have an assistant with a syringe tapping every two minutes because we don't have continuous suction. I didn't record it to the mL, but we pull well over 10 liters off the dog's chest in this time frame.

After an hour with no response, I say screw it and do a blood pleurodesis on the dog - for people who aren't familiar, this is a super slick (but not always successful) technique where you pull blood from the patient, and then instill it back into their own pleural space to allow the blood it to form a clot and hopefully patch up the area that is actively leaking air. here's a link for more info.

I dumped the blood in the chest, rolled the dog around a little bit to hopefully distribute it, and held my breath...
...and he was totally fine for about an hour, then got a titch tachypneic again. Pulled like ~700mLs of air off the chest. Eventually the owners call back and ok transfer to a hospital with continuous suction (because of course NOW they can take him, lol, not before he tried to die).

In the six hours while we worked out transfer, we only pulled like ~1.5Ls of air off his chest. In the two hours prior to blood patching him, we'd pulled over TWENTY LITERS. So cool.

And the dog did great, which is the best part. He was on continuous suction with pretty minimal quantities at the vet school for two days, got a CT scan (bulla/pneumatocele that resolved with time), they fixed the pelvic fractures, then they eventually pulled the chest tube and sent him home.

This was like ~1.5y into working ER after my swap from GP and I was like... "yeaahhhh I think I count as an ER vet now I guess" haha
 
Okay this is one of my fave stories - I wrote one of my ABVP summaries on the case - and it was actually on July 4th two years ago, so... nice and topical!

Context: I practice about 45 minutes outside of the big metro area I live in. During COVID especially, I got some absolutely bat**** referrals when NOBODY had the staff to see patients - like, multiple "I have a confirmed septic abdomen and no boarded surgeons able to cut in the city, will you do it?" type situations. (It's fun, love my job lol).

But man, sometimes it's quite the adventure.

SCENE: It's like 10PM on July 4th. Our reception had stepped out and the phone rang back - all the techs had hands on animals, so I grabbed the phone and introduced myself as firstname like I always do to stay ~ninja~.

There's a vet on the line, calling about a possible transfer. firstname asks for a bit more information, and then I drop the ruse to introduce myself as the doctor and chat.

I am the SEVENTH hospital she has called. She has a HBC (scared by fireworks into the street) dog with some pelvic fractures and a pneumothorax she's had to tap once, but she's at a nights and weekend-y ER that closes in the morning... so she's trying to get the dog somewhere to both monitor the respiratory stuff and then fix the fractures eventually.

My hospital is honestly fairly full, but if she's calling to where I work, you're pretty much talking... 2.5-3+ hours out if I say no to get to another 24/7 hospital. I think she almost cried when I said I'd take the dog. Asked please to make sure he's as stable as he can be before getting on the road, then send him over.

He comes in a touch tachypneic and I tap like a liter of air off his chest. It's been at least four or five hours since the first tap at this point, though, and he's also got some contusion, so I just talk to the owner about potentially needing a chest tube if it recurs again and start him on O2/pain meds/resp watch.

The night was busy, but like four hours later he's doing fine, I'm writing records in the doctors office and I hear faintly "Dr. Trilt~!"
Okay, my staff do not yell for me instead of calling me unless something is actively dying so I HUSTLE over to ICU and that dog is PURPLE. He is orthopneic, he is struggling, and my (very good) ICU tech is like "I SWEAR I JUST LOOKED AT HIM a second ago!"

Very VERY quickly tapped ~2.5L of air off his chest with a butterfly, and in the time it takes me to gather the supplies to slap a chest tube in... the dog is visibly dyspneic again. Placed the chest tube the fastest I ever have and started pulling air and... after 6 liters we're still not getting negative pressure.

Definitely a "****, did I stab this dog in the lungs?" moment, lol.

Took a placement rad and it's beautiful (phew) beyond a moderate pneumothorax (boo), then tap another half liter off immediately after the rad.
Five minutes later, almost another liter.

The owners are, of course, not answering their phones because it's like 4AM in the morning. Try multiple times over the next hour, while I literally just have an assistant with a syringe tapping every two minutes because we don't have continuous suction. I didn't record it to the mL, but we pull well over 10 liters off the dog's chest in this time frame.

After an hour with no response, I say screw it and do a blood pleurodesis on the dog - for people who aren't familiar, this is a super slick (but not always successful) technique where you pull blood from the patient, and then instill it back into their own pleural space to allow the blood it to form a clot and hopefully patch up the area that is actively leaking air. here's a link for more info.

I dumped the blood in the chest, rolled the dog around a little bit to hopefully distribute it, and held my breath...
...and he was totally fine for about an hour, then got a titch tachypneic again. Pulled like ~700mLs of air off the chest. Eventually the owners call back and ok transfer to a hospital with continuous suction (because of course NOW they can take him, lol, not before he tried to die).

In the six hours while we worked out transfer, we only pulled like ~1.5Ls of air off his chest. In the two hours prior to blood patching him, we'd pulled over TWENTY LITERS. So cool.

And the dog did great, which is the best part. He was on continuous suction with pretty minimal quantities at the vet school for two days, got a CT scan (bulla/pneumatocele that resolved with time), they fixed the pelvic fractures, then they eventually pulled the chest tube and sent him home.

This was like ~1.5y into working ER after my swap from GP and I was like... "yeaahhhh I think I count as an ER vet now I guess" haha
I love all of this. I want to do an internal blood clot patch now.
 
this is a super slick (but not always successful) technique where you pull blood from the patient, and then instill it back into their own pleural space to allow the blood it to form a clot and hopefully patch up the area that is actively leaking air.
This seems like basically the same thing they do for people who get an epidural headache from leaky csf after an epidural! Neat that it’s a thing for lungs in animals too
 
Right? One person told me due to risk of cancer. But the way I saw it, if it has a cancerous spleen/liver, it's too late anyways. Dog either dies now or dies later.
Sure, in that case, you have a argument (although last I heard, no one in vet or human med has actually definitively proven metastasis as a result of an autotransfusion and I don't think there are any case reports...though the theory makes sense), but I totally agree. Die now or die later. Especially if you're in a situation where you have no blood to give and owners understand the potential risk.

Kind of like the 'don't cysto if you suspect TCC' thing. Makes sense, but again, last I heard, there were no case reports and no one I know has ever actually seen it in real life. We poke splenic tumors, liver tumors, etc all the time without the same level of concern for causing mets, and you're disturbing a tumor/splitting off cells just the same. But wouldn't you know it - this morning I actually elected not to cysto a monkey because of a bladder mass 🤣 Once you hear it, you can never unhear it. I've seen a ton of seasoned specialists do cystos on bladders with masses, but knowing my luck....

Granted, I don't lit search for these things routinely, so please link the article if it has in fact been published! One of our internists actually presented on this during our intern rounds and said the same thing, but that was 5 years ago.
 
I have absolutely seen seeded TCC lesions. At least twice. But by nature of my job I’m going to see more than “regular” people. And sometimes it’s still worth the risk of poking.

I’ve also seen a seeded HCC once too (classic HCC but cutaneous along a previous surgical excision from removal of the main HCC) which was super strange.
 
Sure, in that case, you have a argument (although last I heard, no one in vet or human med has actually definitively proven metastasis as a result of an autotransfusion and I don't think there are any case reports...though the theory makes sense), but I totally agree. Die now or die later. Especially if you're in a situation where you have no blood to give and owners understand the potential risk.

Kind of like the 'don't cysto if you suspect TCC' thing. Makes sense, but again, last I heard, there were no case reports and no one I know has ever actually seen it in real life. We poke splenic tumors, liver tumors, etc all the time without the same level of concern for causing mets, and you're disturbing a tumor/splitting off cells just the same. But wouldn't you know it - this morning I actually elected not to cysto a monkey because of a bladder mass 🤣 Once you hear it, you can never unhear it. I've seen a ton of seasoned specialists do cystos on bladders with masses, but knowing my luck....

Granted, I don't lit search for these things routinely, so please link the article if it has in fact been published! One of our internists actually presented on this during our intern rounds and said the same thing, but that was 5 years ago.
I actually saw two seeded TCCs during vet school and they were both horrific.

One was actually my very first patient of fourth year, who had a previous prostatectomy and then they found a weird looking spot near the surgery site on a recheck ultrasound. They aspirated it as recurrent cancer.

Like two months later he had a mass show up on the side of his abdomen... same cancer. On necropsy they followed the tract of nasty cells from prostate site to skin. 🙁 RIP Churchill, you were the best boy.

The other one was when I was on ST surgery. The dog had really sketchy/impossible to understand written records from their DVM and no surgery report, but we pieced together that he'd had an exploratory for expected cystotomy where they found he had some sort of mass near? on? who knows? the bladder. He had horrible hard, angry nodular tumour growth encompassing the entire healed abdominal incision, absolutely unresectable.

Technically neither of these were from "just" cystos, but I sure won't touch bladders with suspected masses with a needle after those two. :laugh:


This paper has a retrospective - most happened after surgery, but two suspected to be with aspiration (cysto and prostate pokes):

Higuchi, T., Burcham, G. N., Childress, M. O., Rohleder, J. J., Bonney, P. L., Ramos-Vara, J. A., & Knapp, D. W. (2013). Characterization and treatment of transitional cell carcinoma of the abdominal wall in dogs: 24 cases (1985–2010). Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, 242(4), 499–506. doi:10.2460/javma.242.4.499
 
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This one is crazy. The original mass was never seen and never declared itself, but in theory that dog had infinite opportunities to seed it himself anywhere else (eating, chewing on toys, whatever) but it was the ET tube that did it?! In theory, I guess. Still crazy. Maybe they picked up the one single cancer cell with that ET tube, lol.

This is a complete derail but those are newer reports, which reminds me that it seems more and more crazy case reports are being published lately. That's a good thing in my book - weird case reports are cool. These don't get accepted enough in JZWM, which is a bummer. I hear it's being relaxed a bit, but :shrug:
 
For hemoabs where I suspect HSA as the underlying cause, I generally prefer pRBC products over autotransfusion if possible. It's true about no definitive proof of seeding occurring, but you are also injecting an endothelial neoplasia into the endothelial space so it logistically makes sense as a possibility. It is also such a highly metastatic disease that I cannot imagine how you would definitively prove if it does or doesn't seed due to confounding factors.

If owners cannot afford transfusion/blood isn't available and patient is dying, I am all for it. I've done it a few times for financial intra-op cases or cases where I'm trying to keep them alive for additional family members to arrive to say goodbye. But I always warn the owners of the risks and make sure they understand.

I wouldn't want to defend myself to the board if a client got upset and decided to accuse me of malpractice. I'm not sure all vet boards would let you off Scott free for that unless there was extenuating circumstances/your hands were tied.
 
For hemoabs where I suspect HSA as the underlying cause, I generally prefer pRBC products over autotransfusion if possible. It's true about no definitive proof of seeding occurring, but you are also injecting an endothelial neoplasia into the endothelial space so it logistically makes sense as a possibility. It is also such a highly metastatic disease that I cannot imagine how you would definitively prove if it does or doesn't seed due to confounding factors.

If owners cannot afford transfusion/blood isn't available and patient is dying, I am all for it. I've done it a few times for financial intra-op cases or cases where I'm trying to keep them alive for additional family members to arrive to say goodbye. But I always warn the owners of the risks and make sure they understand.

I wouldn't want to defend myself to the board if a client got upset and decided to accuse me of malpractice. I'm not sure all vet boards would let you off Scott free for that unless there was extenuating circumstances/your hands were tied.
This is also my approach. Surgical or blunt trauma I don't stress at all about autotransfusions, but clients have to have a little bit of a riot act read to them beforehand if I'm going to do it in a spontaneous, mass related hemoabdomen.

Realistically if it's hemangiosarcoma... that bitch has already spread, it's had blood flowing through it the whole time. But if I have blood product and the money to use it, I will prioritize it in those ones to be cautious.
 
Well now, let me try to post this without accidentally hitting post on an unfinished comment...

Part of me was going to wait until I have more results to share this one, but I don't know if or when the owner is going to pursue the additional testing so that, what the heck.

I had a patient last week in for lactating. Not pregnant. Normally this is false pregnancy but the timeline is a little off for that. I found out that apparently hypothyroidism can cause lactation and I think that might be what is going on here.

But not confirmed yet because we haven't run a thyroid panel. T4 is really low though and remainder of bloodwork is unremarkable.

This dog did, in fact, turn out to be hypothyroid.
 
This dog did, in fact, turn out to be hypothyroid.

Is T4 generally closer to normal in euthyroid sick vs true hypothyroid? ie if T4 is <0.4 vs like 0.9 is it more likely to be true hypothyroid? (I know a lot more info goes into this like case background other bloodwork results and you want a full thyroid panel but just wondering if there's a general difference there)
 
Another interesting case I had the other day.

6yr old FS Boxer/bully mix with an acute history of lethargy, diarrhea, and ultimately became neurologically non-ambulatory within about an 18-20 hour time period. 1 year long history of hypoadrenocorticism (Addison's) that has been well controlled on zycortal (q monthly administered at home by owner, unknown dose) and pred (q 12hrs, unknown dose). Other health history is bilateral TPLOs at some point, and rescue dog. Last dose of pred was 24hrs prior to presentation; last dose of zycortal was 8-10hrs prior to presentation.

Dog presents non-ambulatory, conscious but ADR mentally, slowed cranial nerves, stuff limbs where I had to *push* to flesh them, and very nauseous. Obviously concerned for Addisonian crisis. Regardless of cause, kiddo needs hospitalized. Client elects to start hospitalization with diagnostics run while hospitalized. CBC overall unremarkable (as in I can't remember anything of it while laying in bed). Chem had a 63 glucose and a moderate azotemia (50 BUN 4.3 creat), and an amylase of 1400 or something. Give her 1mg/kg cerenia, 143mg dextrose diluted, and 0.5(?)mg/kg dex sp (would have to double check that). 500ml bolus over 20 min. Vitals had been a 105.4*F temp, 130 heart rate, 32 resp rate.

Then we took the rads and I looked at the laterals first. Well, darn it if that colon wasn't deviated significantly ventral. But I couldn't put my finger as to why. Then the DV. And, Fam, if that left kidney was any bigger, it would have been the entire damn dog. Huge left kidney (and/or adrenal gland?). Since patient had no response to treatment yet and we had a senior ish boxer mix, immediate thought of cancer. FAST scan rules out liver and splenic mass with no free fluid in the abdomen. Took a sneaky shot of the chest and suspicious for a nodule in the ventral left lung lobe.

Ultimately patient euthanized for suspected renal/adrenal cancer with metastasis to the lungs and brain. So not an Addisonian crisis. Just food for thought to not tunnel vision and turn on autopilot
 
Here’s a lesson on the importance of exercise restriction after an orthopedic surgery.

Total hip replacement on a big doodle-y dog (always a doodle). Scrubbed in on this with the senior surgeon, nothing of note, same long but interesting procedure.

Well, senior surgeon is out because he actually had surgery himself. Our THR doodle friend is a complete nut and mom feels bad about crating her. Fast forward to x-rays revealing a big old fracture of the femur. Kicking myself for not taking pictures but picture 2 fractures around the implant in the femur. Yeah. Of course this left behind our only other surgeon, she JUST completed her residency. She doesn’t do THRs! But, she is AWESOME. It took like 5 hours to repair. Plates, screws, cerclage wire.

Waking nightmare as a scrub nurse— After hours, we finally got it reduced. The surgeon was using both her hands to reduce the fracture and asked me to place the kern to keep it in place. I told her I have never used the kern but I can do it with her direction. Well uh I went to close it and the bone just shattered. I was mortified. She told me it was okay and that she kind of thought that would happen but it still very much felt like my fault. If she wasn’t the nicest person ever and an excellent surgeon, that would have really broken me. Plus, I really admire the anesthesia nurse and she was very encouraging as well. It’s a blur after that but we repaired it! It just took more smaller plates and the wire. Dog is doing fine now lmao.
 
Here’s a lesson on the importance of exercise restriction after an orthopedic surgery.

Total hip replacement on a big doodle-y dog (always a doodle). Scrubbed in on this with the senior surgeon, nothing of note, same long but interesting procedure.

Well, senior surgeon is out because he actually had surgery himself. Our THR doodle friend is a complete nut and mom feels bad about crating her. Fast forward to x-rays revealing a big old fracture of the femur. Kicking myself for not taking pictures but picture 2 fractures around the implant in the femur. Yeah. Of course this left behind our only other surgeon, she JUST completed her residency. She doesn’t do THRs! But, she is AWESOME. It took like 5 hours to repair. Plates, screws, cerclage wire.

Waking nightmare as a scrub nurse— After hours, we finally got it reduced. The surgeon was using both her hands to reduce the fracture and asked me to place the kern to keep it in place. I told her I have never used the kern but I can do it with her direction. Well uh I went to close it and the bone just shattered. I was mortified. She told me it was okay and that she kind of thought that would happen but it still very much felt like my fault. If she wasn’t the nicest person ever and an excellent surgeon, that would have really broken me. Plus, I really admire the anesthesia nurse and she was very encouraging as well. It’s a blur after that but we repaired it! It just took more smaller plates and the wire. Dog is doing fine now lmao.
Yeah almost every THR I was on at UF was some variant of doodle monstrosity. One of them was also in heart failure at 4 years old as well…. Immaculate breeding clearly. We send home a boat load of sedatives for every THR. Orthopedic surgery is literally insane, kudos to those that do it. Totally not your fault, owners are told strict crate rest for a reason. We still have dogs luxate their implants occasionally because “being locked up is cruel.”
 
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