General Dentists - Same Procedures As Specialized Dentists?

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To whom it may concern,

I was thinking about not specializing and just graduating dental school after 4 years and just being a general dentist. I just don't want to spend another 4-6 years after dental school in even more schooling. As a general dentist what are you limited to procedure wise? And are you able to perform the same procedures as an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or orthodontist? Can you learn that stuff on the job or do you already know how to do the same things as a dentist who particularly specializes in those fields? Thank you.

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Can you better your skills as a GP and complete some of the same procedures as OS and offer ortho services and complete more endo? Yes, of course! But keep in mind becoming a jack of all trades GP will take years of practice, otherwise you will end up hurting your patients. It's not as simple as taking 1 CE implant course and then being able to place every kind of implant, same for endo and ortho. Finishing school you will have just enough knowledge to complete most of the basic procedures and it will take years to build your hand skills and become a good dentist with just the basics. Once you got the basics down, then its time to expand into more complicated procedures. To answer your question you're not limited to any procedure, but you are responsible for your actions and the well being of your patients. And you more than likely will never be as good as someone who is dedicated to one aspect in the field and complete the more difficult procedures.
 
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Can you better your skills as a GP and complete some of the same procedures as OS and offer ortho services and complete more endo? Yes, of course! But keep in mind becoming a jack of all trades GP will take years of practice, otherwise you will end up hurting your patients. It's not as simple as taking 1 CE implant course and then being able to place every kind of implant, same for endo and ortho. Finishing school you will have just enough knowledge to complete most of the basic procedures and it will take years to build your hand skills and become a good dentist with just the basics. Once you got the basics down, then its time to expand into more complicated procedures. To answer your question you're not limited to any procedure, but you are responsible for your actions and the well being of your patients. And you more than likely will never be as good as someone who is dedicated to one aspect in the field and complete the more difficult procedures.

Thank you for your input!
 
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Plus of course there are some procedures you will never be able to do as a GP that a specialist can, such as Orthognathic Surgeries, Facial fractures etc, probably some Perio procedures such as CT grafts or FT grafts would be a hard sell too. Some courses might train you to do sedations, but I would never trust someone with a 1 month sedation course to put me or someone I care about to sleep.
 
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The issue is if you will have the volume to do these Procedures and still be able to do other procedures. Remember, you don’t get referrals from other general dentists. On top of that you will have to do these procedures well or the specialists will happily burn you in court for not referring the case.
 
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To whom it may concern,

I was thinking about not specializing and just graduating dental school after 4 years and just being a general dentist. I just don't want to spend another 4-6 years after dental school in even more schooling. As a general dentist what are you limited to procedure wise? And are you able to perform the same procedures as an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or orthodontist? Can you learn that stuff on the job or do you already know how to do the same things as a dentist who particularly specializes in those fields? Thank you.

Can do whatever you want. Later on in life you will realize that you will prob just be a fill and drill dentist and do no specialty. Contrary to popular belief- you do not have to be a super GP to make super money. Can easily just do fill and dentistry and make a very healthy living.
 
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To whom it may concern,

I was thinking about not specializing and just graduating dental school after 4 years and just being a general dentist. I just don't want to spend another 4-6 years after dental school in even more schooling. As a general dentist what are you limited to procedure wise? And are you able to perform the same procedures as an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or orthodontist? Can you learn that stuff on the job or do you already know how to do the same things as a dentist who particularly specializes in those fields? Thank you.
You wont have GPs referring you you. Without that you will not have the flow needed for that to matter.
Though outside of the OMFS stuff I guess your license technically would allow you to do whatever.
 
How often are dentists actually getting burnt for messing up? I can't find statistics on it but it seems like it would not be rare based on posters here. Won't people on averagerage take more risks if they are in tough spots financially? I'm nervous about how things will look in ten years
 
How often are dentists actually getting burnt for messing up? I can't find statistics on it but it seems like it would not be rare based on posters here. Won't people on averagerage take more risks if they are in tough spots financially? I'm nervous about how things will look in ten years

In Texas, any time a dentist does a procedure that results in an overnight hospital stay, it's a mandatory report to the board. In the narrow experience of the two hospitals I work at, it is something that happens at least every couple months.
 
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In Texas, any time a dentist does a procedure that results in an overnight hospital stay, it's a mandatory report to the board. In the narrow experience of the two hospitals I work at, it is something that happens at least every couple months.
Their practices also pretty much are destroyed by this I'm assuming? Must be a scary environment for people with 500+ debt not knowing how to drop it...
 
How often are dentists actually getting burnt for messing up? I can't find statistics on it but it seems like it would not be rare based on posters here. Won't people on averagerage take more risks if they are in tough spots financially? I'm nervous about how things will look in ten years

In Texas, it's rare. The board can go after you, but it seems like everyone just gets probated suspension + fine/restitution + CE unless they are an immediate danger to themselves and their patients (i.e substance abuse issues). Most lawyers won't go after you in Texas since it's not worth their time due to tort limits/reform. So... it all depends on which state you choose to practice.

To whom it may concern,

I was thinking about not specializing and just graduating dental school after 4 years and just being a general dentist. I just don't want to spend another 4-6 years after dental school in even more schooling. As a general dentist what are you limited to procedure wise? And are you able to perform the same procedures as an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or orthodontist? Can you learn that stuff on the job or do you already know how to do the same things as a dentist who particularly specializes in those fields? Thank you.

You can perform ext, implants, sinus lifts, ridge splits, etc... most dentoalveolar stuff as a gp. You can learn that stuff via CE or on the job. If you're looking into lefort, bsso's, maxface cases, you will need to go into an omfs program. If you want to do ortho, you can do a weekend course for the easy cases (ortho relapse, minor crowding) or do a 2 year mini-residency (a bunch of weekends in the span of 2 years) in ortho for the harder cases. You have almost no restrictions on your license as a GP, besides sedation and hospital based OMFS procedures. Sedation is dependent on your state requirements, but I recall doing half a day of CE for moderate enteral sedation (I surrendered/gave up my sedation license when they increased the regulatory requirements in my state... was not worth my time to maintain my sedation license).

As a GP, do the easy stuff. Production per hour is a lot higher on the easy cases.
 
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In Texas, it's rare. The board can go after you, but it seems like everyone just gets probated suspension + fine/restitution + CE unless they are an immediate danger to themselves and their patients (i.e substance abuse issues). Most lawyers won't go after you in Texas since it's not worth their time due to tort limits/reform. So... it all depends on which state you choose to practice.

texas took down chris duntsch!
 
Yea, but dentistry is not that invasive. Hard to mess up at that level. In most instances of messing up, you lose a tooth. Worst cases, you oversedate, patient dies, paresthesia, sinus involvement or mronj.

In OMFS there’s many more ways you can do things wrong.

If a GP were to try some of the more complex procedures it would not go well for them trying to justify it.
 
Exactly... GP's shouldn't do supercomplex procedures as the compensation is not sufficient to cover the risk.
do you do invisalign? word on the street is that you do guided implant sx? true?
 
do you do invisalign? word on the street is that you do guided implant sx? true?

Starting invisalign soon, pairing it with propel to speed it up even more. I'm finding that there's a market for invisalign STO (midway between comprehensive tx and SDC, 3-9 month completion). Yep, was doing fully guided, but I'm finding it's easier to do the pilot drill then one additional drill for most cases. I don't like the decreased irrigant flow with the surgical guide. I'm also finding that tissue punches tend to be more annoying than not. I'd rather get a surgical round when I have enough keratinized tissue and just bur the gingiva out. Faster than using a laser.
 
do you extract partially erupted/impacted thirds? you don't do any dentures, correct? sounds like you are not gonna be retiring anytime soon!

Nah, I don't do PB/FB impactions. No dentures either. Both are not worth my time. I'm not really sure when I'm fully retiring, although I'm traveling more and taking more vacations now. I would like to hit 3.6-4/yr before retirement.
 
how's your health holding up? still working 5d/week? i'm presuming you have the biggest and fattest disability policy?

Health is fine, still getting by with just a good night's sleep in most instances. Working 4.5 days per week. I have a 3M lump sum disability policy. I might increase it in the upcoming renewal period.

Thankfully things are picking up this year. Looking into getting a second cerec scanner + mill combo (primescan + mcxl). I'm getting bogged down with just one set now. Got an extra endo laser and itero recently as well, due to increased demand. I may have to start working out for more energy, but I think I've hit my "autopilot" mode and stride in dentistry. Just gotta keep pushing harder and mixing it up so I don't get bored.

Guided surgery is awesome. Today was a good example when everything goes well with an implant. In and out in 7 minutes on #13 site, 60Ncm torque.
 
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do you recommend rct/bu/crown or implant to patients with guarded prognosis on a tooth? for more complicated implant cases, do you have a preference between omfs and perio in terms of referral?

I give patients a choice between rctbucrown and implants. I tend to favor rctbucrown, since when implants go wrong, they can really go wrong and I consider them last resorts for tooth replacements. If implants fail, depending on how they fail, you may not have a second go at it. Especially if you need vertical augmentation. When it's a guarded, poor, or even hopeless, I tell the patient the diagnosis, prognosis, their treatment option(s), and what I would do if it were my own tooth. If they want to try and save a hopeless tooth, I'll try... but I tell them it's a temporary solution that will most likely result in an extraction in the future. Now, some practitioners may say, patient cannot consent to substandard care, but it depends if you're going to treat the hopeless tooth as a definitive treatment or pallative treatment. Patient wants a ridiculously expensive temporary and the treatment plan indicates you plan to extract the tooth later on... You will be surprised how many people love their tooth so much that they are willing to shell out 2500+(rctbucrown,periosurgery) to try and keep a tooth as long as possible knowing I will most likely have to extract. There are some instances where I cannot do anything at all and doing something besides extraction will cause more pain, then I will refuse to do anything besides no tx(medication,pallative tx) or ext. I tell the patient, if I do so and so treatment, you're going to be in more pain than when you first started. In the very least, do no harm... that's where I draw the line. Oh, and no guarantee on the work if they go against recommendation(s). Technically, I never use the word guarantee with the patient. I stand behind my work for 3 years. Anything happens, even recurrent caries, I'll fix it for them. Although I say that if they keep getting recurrent caries, you can only redo it so many times.

In my area, I prefer the perio for referral. The reason is not because of skillsets, but because the perio-restorative team in my area is a lot stronger and more cohesive than the omfs-restorative teams in my region (we always have to have the prosthetic in mind). I refuse to refer to a surgeon who says that it doesn't matter where they place the implants, it's all about the occlusion. I don't do large cases, so I don't mind giving other restorative dentists referrals. However, they have to take the good and the bad... The 50-100k all-on-X cases or immediate dentures/partials. Once I've referred to a restorative dentist or perio-restorative team, the case is all theirs. I don't nit-pick or say that I want to do so and so procedures.
 
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