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https://www.lynchburg.edu/graduate/physician-assistant-medicine/doctor-of-medical-science/

 

[vector2]

Another enlightening link from the page you posted

The PA Doctorate: Is It Needed or Not? | Healthcare Careers

 

[deleted480308]

And verbage about “top of their license “

 

[AdmiralChz]

Sorta old news. Each year the PAs try to introduce legislation allowing for more independence for these “doctor of medical science” but it never gets out of committee in Virginia where Lynchburg College is located.

 

[coffeebythelake]

Why not call it "doctorate in physician assisting"? I mean they are physician assistants...

 

[pgg]

Why not call it "doctorate in physician assisting"? I mean they are physician assistants...

Because that defeats the whole purpose of getting the obfuscating degree in the first place.

God knows they're not pursuing it for the educational value.

 

[Man o War]

Why not call it "doctorate in physician assisting"? I mean they are physician assistants...

If they have “assistant” anywhere in their names that implies midlevel. The ones who want to practice without supervision don’t want assistant anywhere in their title because they don’t want to claim it.
Not sure how many on this board are aware, but there is currently a movement within the AANA to change their names to “nurse anesthesiologists”. There are some that are already referring to themselves as such. I’ve even seen some online dropping the nurse part all together and simply referring to themselves as anesthesiologists. Apparently this is a very polarizing issue, many of them want nothing to do with the name change (according to the CRNA who filled me in on this).
People like these are not proud of their educational choices, regardless of how much they cluck about it.

 

[coffeebythelake]

If they have “assistant” anywhere in their names that implies midlevel. The ones who want to practice without supervision don’t want assistant anywhere in their title because they don’t want to claim it.
Not sure how many on this board are aware, but there is currently a movement within the AANA to change their names to “nurse anesthesiologists”. There are some that are already referring to themselves as such. I’ve even seen some online dropping the nurse part all together and simply referring to themselves as anesthesiologists. Apparently this is a very polarizing issue, many of them want nothing to do with the name change (according to the CRNA who filled me in on this).
People like these are not proud of their educational choices, regardless of how much they cluck about it.

Yes, the whole point of this is to make themselves sound more important. Exactly like the idea of calling themselves physician associates and not physician assistant.

CRNAs calling themselves anesthesiologists or doctors? It is polarizing because it is fraud.

 

[coffeebythelake]

Apparently some CRNAs call themselves nurse anesthesiologists, and they are also referring to physician anesthesiologists as PA's. Talk about purposely trying to confuse the public.

The reason why these CRNAs feel they can call themselves anesthesiologists is because most of the public isn't aware that anesthesiologists are physicians. By their reasoning that means they can call themselves something they are not. What kind of logic is that?

Like I said before, if nurses have to inflate their statistics and confuse the public to get it their way, it means they are liars and not good enough

 

[AdmiralChz]

Yes, the whole point of this is to make themselves sound more important. Exactly like the idea of calling themselves physician associates and not physician assistant.

CRNAs calling themselves anesthesiologists or doctors? It is polarizing because it is fraud.

Maybe it happens, I doubt it. Most just want to work 40 hours get a paycheck and go home.

If it happens, introduce yourself as the anesthesiologist in charge and state you’ll be working with an anesthesia nurse. Case closed.

 

[LunchMD]

I disagree that most people don't know anesthesiologists are physicians. Most of the people I talk to don't seem to know the midlevels even exist in anesthesia.

It is interesting the power of language, isn't it? Associate, assistant. anesthetist, anesthesiologist. Surgeon, interventionalist. Provider, docotor. Kinda reminds me of that scrubs episode in which JD gets labeled as the co-chief resident instead of just chief resident, and so people stop respecting him.

In the end, actions are what matters. We have to lead our specialty to a bright future as physicians. IMO that means aggressively claiming more clinical ground, as well as NOT ceeding the ground we currently have. Exciting times...

 

[chocomorsel]

@LunchMD, you give laypeople too much credit about their medical knowledge.

Too many people think we are techs, just like radiologists.

And how do we NOT cede the ground we stand on when the ivory towers and CRNA mills keep training our replacements? Unless that stops from the Ivory towers, which it will not, because all they care about money and of course those people are out of touch with reality.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

If they have “assistant” anywhere in their names that implies midlevel. The ones who want to practice without supervision don’t want assistant anywhere in their title because they don’t want to claim it.
Not sure how many on this board are aware, but there is currently a movement within the AANA to change their names to “nurse anesthesiologists”. There are some that are already referring to themselves as such. I’ve even seen some online dropping the nurse part all together and simply referring to themselves as anesthesiologists. Apparently this is a very polarizing issue, many of them want nothing to do with the name change (according to the CRNA who filled me in on this).
People like these are not proud of their educational choices, regardless of how much they cluck about it.

Apparently some CRNAs call themselves nurse anesthesiologists, and they are also referring to physician anesthesiologists as PA's. Talk about purposely trying to confuse the public.

The reason why these CRNAs feel they can call themselves anesthesiologists is because most of the public isn't aware that anesthesiologists are physicians. By their reasoning that means they can call themselves something they are not. What kind of logic is that?

Like I said before, if nurses have to inflate their statistics and confuse the public to get it their way, it means they are liars and not good enough

Maybe it happens, I doubt it. Most just want to work 40 hours get a paycheck and go home.

If it happens, introduce yourself as the anesthesiologist in charge and state you’ll be working with an anesthesia nurse. Case closed.

Time to call ourselves Master Anesthesiologists, or Supreme Anesthesiologist.

 

[nimbus]

Time to call ourselves Master Anesthesiologists, or Supreme Anesthesiologist.

When I was a resident, we had a CRNA who always introduced himself as “senior nurse anesthetist”. It sounded odd to me then and now that I am actually old it strikes me as even more absurd. I would never introduce myself as “Dr. Nimbus, senior anesthesiologist”. That makes me sound even older. Maybe I should print cards that say

Dr. Nimbus, MD, AARP Eligible

But some mid levels have these “title”issues.

 

[coffeebythelake]

But some mid levels have these “title”issues.

Why else do nurses put all these letters behind their name? BSc, BSN, RN, MSN, FNP-C, CCRN, DNP, OMG, WTF, BBQ

 

[Status Sciaticus]

When I was a resident, we had a CRNA who always introduced himself as “senior nurse anesthetist”. It sounded odd to me then and now that I am actually old it strikes me as even more absurd. I would never introduce myself as “Dr. Nimbus, senior anesthesiologist”. That makes me sound even older. Maybe I should print cards that say

Dr. Nimbus, MD, AARP Eligible

But some mid levels have these “title”issues.

Or Dr. Nimbus, Lord Commander Anesthesiologist....just saying.

 

[zero0]

Why else do nurses put all these letters behind their name? BSc, BSN, RN, MSN, FNP-C, CCRN, DNP, OMG, WTF, BBQ

Nurses providing slow-cooked mesquite flavored ribs? Now those are credentials I can get behind.

 

[Consigliere]

Why not call it "doctorate in physician assisting"? I mean they are physician assistants...

Haven't ya' heard? They're physician associates