Getting Involved in Research as a Vet

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Hi everyone,

I'm currently trying to learn more about all of the different career options vets have outside of private practice. Something that I'm wondering about regarding research is whether or not most vets that get involved in research also have their PhDs? I know several vet schools offer DVM/PhD programs, but do vets without PhDs still have opportunities to have research-focused careers? And if so, who typically employs them (universities, government agencies, etc)?

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Hi - Most vets that do research in the US are employed by academic institutions. There are also a few opportunities to be had in industry and the government. As for the PhD, I think it really depends upon what type of research you're hoping to do. During my career, I've known quite a few DVMs that were/are full time researchers. Some of their areas of study are rabies, behavior, disorders of the GI, and hematology. To the best of my knowledge, out of those I know, only three have a PhD in addition to their DVM. However, most of them hold master's degrees. Hope that helps!
 
Hi, kudos to you for exploring research as a possible career path. Speaking as a techie in an animal research facility, there is a shortage of vets in research (at least here anyway). Apart from doing the PhD and actually being involved in the research itself, vets can also work
 
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Oh man, epic fail. That was a huge post that took me ages to write on my phone and now its gone. Sorry, i'll write it out again tonight
 
There are definitely research opportunities for vets! They are an underrepresented group in the research world. And beyond basic science, translational research is growing very quickly.
A majority of vets in research have a PhD. However, if you don't join a joint program (DVM/PhD) there are other options. I've known people who got their DVM then went back to school to get a PhD. There are also a few residency programs which are combined with a PhD or a master's. I was talking to lab animal vet not too long ago who said that the residency program he is in there is a required research component involved, and they must publish to complete the program. (I don't think a degree is involved, but it's research-intensive.)
 
Okay, take two.

Hi, kudos to you for exploring research as a possible career path. Speaking as a techie in an animal research facility, there is a shortage of vets in research (at least here anyway). Apart from doing the PhD and actually being involved in the research itself, vets can also work as practicing veterinarians in animal research facilities. Other people have talked about the vets former, and since I am more familiar with the latter I'll talk about that.

The research facility I am currently working in employs a full time vet (and a handful of part time vets) so we have a vet on call 24/7. She assists us whenever there is a problem with the animals in our facility (which are used for teaching and research) in the traditional vet role of diagnosis, treatment and euthanasia as required. At a herd level she is involved in developing/improving herd health monitoring through routine testing and preventative medicine. She is also involved in the development and implementation of our standard operating procedures, which includes maintaining a high standard of animal welfare.

The opportunities for vets in this field are extremely broad. Our vet works with mice, rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, ferrets, sheep, alpacas, macropods, a variety of production and ornamental avian species, ratites, arthropods and reptiles. And that is always changing, new species are continually entering the facility as projects conclude and new projects begin.

And she is part of something that really makes a difference in the world. Our mice are helping us look for a cure for azheimer's disease. Our sheep are involved with preventing premature birth in humans, and developing new and better techniques of caring for neonates. Our sheep are also yielding information for the agriculture industries, in the fields of nutrition and also emerging/cottage industries (sheep milk and cheese). Our ratites and birds are trying to improve subsistance agriculture and help feed the third world population. Our pigeons are also helping blind children.

So I think at times the role can be very challenging, you are required to work with a large range of animals which you may not have experienced before (out of our whole team we dont have anyone with prior emu experience) and/or in a situation in which you are not familiar with (some of our sheep are rumen canulated, our mice are immuno suppressed, so in these situations a traditional sheep vet or exotic pets vet will be off balance). However, I see that as an opportunity to widen your knowledge base and ultimately that will strengthen you as a vet. But having said that, with those challenges, it is also a very rewarding system to be a part of.
 
Also there is the huge role of veterinarians in preclinical studies research at pharmaceutical companies (vaccines, medications, etc). Not all research jobs are in academia or government....private industry makes up a large chunk too.

However, to get into research, a graduate degree is almost essential. At the VERY least, a masters...but look at the research faculty at any academic institution or industrial company and you will see DVM/PhD after almost every name. Many in pharma are boarded specialists as well.
 
Hm, I'm on the fence sort of about whether a Ph.D. is really necessary. I'd say it depends on exactly what your goals are in research.

If a DVM's got some good, high impact publications and well known references, I think it's pretty possible to find a niche in research without one. I was actually told that I personally could probably get away with getting a postdoc research position after vet school rather than going for another degree, and my goal is in academic research. Really though, the best way for the vast majority of people to gain access to good research references and opportunities for publication is to go for a Ph.D.

And here's why I probably will do a Ph.D. anyway: I want to be relatively free to pursue my own research interests, which are pretty well-developed. A Ph.D. uniquely implies that you have the necessary background to become an independent investigator. You'd probably have to be quite a superstar to be afforded independence without one, and a superstar I am not. :laugh:

Basically, if you wanted to go into research and didn't want to do a graduate degree, you'd probably know if you could afford to or not. Honestly though, like others have said, many residency programs offer the option of performing research towards a Ph.D. and there really aren't many reasons not to - you won't be paying for it, you'll get a stipend and you won't be locked into paying back loans (unless you can financially swing it, then you can at least be more flexible about your payment schedule).

Obviously it's something I've thought a lot about and would love to open up discussion on. 😉
 
This (research vet) sounds like the kind of thing I'm interested in, but I don't know any research vets, and I'm having trouble finding more info about what they do...

resources?
 
Thanks for all the input everyone. It definitely gives me something to think about. One thing that concerns me is that I know people who go for their PhD's often spend indefinite amounts of time doing it, depending on how their research progresses and whatnot. Does anyone have any idea how long it typically takes someone to get out of school with their combined DVM/PhD?
 
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