GI bill question

[IgD]

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Could you:
1. Accept a HPSP scholarship
2. Attend Navy OIS during the summer before medical school and sign up for the GI bill
3. Use the GI bill during medical school while on the HPSP scholarship

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I don't see any reason why you couldn't do this. You can use the GI bill during a civilian residency and fellowship.

 

[MAC]

Yes, I'm currently on an army HPSP scholarship and receiving monthly GI Bill.

 

[USAFGMODOC]

I thought you couldn't use GI bill benefits until you had served 36 months of active duty service. If you were prior service, you can use it, but signing up in OIS and getting that=== is a new one to me

 

[MAC]

I thought you couldn't use GI bill benefits until you had served 36 months of active duty service. If you were prior service, you can use it, but signing up in OIS and getting that=== is a new one to me

Yes, you are correct. I have more than 36 months of active duty service. Without prior service there is no way that you can get GI Bill. Sorry, I was reading the OP's post carefully.

 

[usnavdoc]

You are also not elligible to sign up fo the GI Bill while at OIS. You have to be on AD not an AT or TDY or TAD training situation which is what OIS is.(AF and Army use ifferent terminology than NAvy) When you sign up for HPSP you are comissioned inot the IRR not AD military.

Why are you IGD interested in this question? You are supposed to be a practicing military doctor as you have eluded to but never explained. This is a question that a newbie to the military and medicine will ask.

 

[EyeFormation]

Any ideas whether the GI Bill can be used during fellowship? I will be leaving active duty in 1 year and completing a fellowship. I did do my residency in the military. And also, would I receive the full benefit or the OJT benefit? I tried asking the GI Bill folks and they seem to have no idea (go figure!).

EyeFormation

 

[usnavdoc]

Any ideas whether the GI Bill can be used during fellowship? I will be leaving active duty in 1 year and completing a fellowship. I did do my residency in the military. And also, would I receive the full benefit or the OJT benefit? I tried asking the GI Bill folks and they seem to have no idea (go figure!).

EyeFormation

You will get full benefits but only for as long as the program takes.
So if you have a one year fellowship you will have an additional 2 years of available GIBill that you may use at a later time up to 10 years after leaving the AD.

The only time I amnot sure if you can use it is if you will be doing a fellowship as FTOS or FD(more likely than FTOS) and then subsequently returning to AD.

I would apply via the online web page. If you have any questions feel free to PM me. I just left AD and will be using the GI Bill while returning to Civ residency. I have already done the application and recieved approval for full time student status.

 

[IgD]

Why are you IGD interested in this question? You are supposed to be a practicing military doctor as you have eluded to but never explained. This is a question that a newbie to the military and medicine will ask.

I'm looking for ways to support people who are involved in Navy medicine. I've posted about my background in another thread.

 

[Galo]

I'm looking for ways to support people who are involved in Navy medicine. I've posted about my background in another thread.

Can you post a link to that thread, or repeat it. We have multiple times, this is the first I ever see you even mention anything about yourself, and in a post that is in the least bit controversial. You are something?

 

[USAFdoc]

I'm looking for ways to support people who are involved in Navy medicine. I've posted about my background in another thread.

as in which thread?

 

[Croatalus_atrox]

as in which thread?

This one , post #13. Actually, I'm kind of surprised that that post didn't receive any attention at all, considering how long people have been waiting for IgD to give up anything about his bona fides .

 

[militarymd]

This one , post #13. Actually, I'm kind of surprised that that post didn't receive any attention at all, considering how long people have been waiting for IgD to give up anything about his bona fides .

Doesn't really say what specialty, where he/she trained, etc....

although it sounds flea..ish....and that would be consistent with Internists having it not too bad in the Navy...and actually having not too bad training.

Lisa Inouye at NMCP actually runs a pretty good program. I respect her. She is one of the good few....but I suspect she'll tire of the Navy not too long from now.

 

[Galo]

IDG SAID THIS:

I think HPSP was definetely worth it for me. I went to a very expensive private medical school. I received straight through training in a subspecialty. Later I was selected to be chief resident and even became a published author.


Then later in that post he said this:

Read the posts here with a grain of salt. There are a handful of people who seem to get a sexual thrill out of convincing people not to start a career in military medicine.


I had blanked on the superficial yet self serving statement that he/she had done some "subspecialty" training, selected to be "chief resident" (is that not a part of all residencies???), but best of all, "a published author" Where do I praise thee almighty one??

What a crock of *!*@. All the experienced physicians, and even pro military residents, have in detailed stated where their opinions were coming from, and what they were based on. This self serving piece of work can only come up with that, despite the outlandish lies that he tells.

This was the first post where he/she identified itself as some sort of sexual experimenter, with his post about us getting sexual thrills. He went on to repeat it later on that thread, or another soon after.

You want to have an intelligent discussion, let us know who and what you are, at least with the same fortitude that we all did. Until then, you continue to be a disgrace, and certainly not the officer you think you are, if that is truly what you are.

 

[USAFdoc]

Doesn't really say what specialty, where he/she trained, etc....

although it sounds flea..ish....and that would be consistent with Internists having it not too bad in the Navy...and actually having not too bad training.

Lisa Inouye at NMCP actually runs a pretty good program. I respect her. She is one of the good few....but I suspect she'll tire of the Navy not too long from now.

A few years ago I was attending a military seminar in Carolina. It was attended by 7 USAF bases and one USN base. The USN base was the only clinic that seemed to be functional and quality. They had 2 distinct differences from the USAF clinics;

1) their panel sizes were about half the size of the USAF panel sizes.
2) they actually had an experienced office manager and it appeared he was doing the job the way it is supposed to be done. even at that there were problems, but not on the scale of the USAF.

as far as IgD and his USN experience goes, it gets back to what I have said repeatedly.....I am here to tell what I have seen first hand, and the majority of that is USAF Primary Care. In that I will tell you the system is flawed terrribly and people should think twice before entering that realm.

I am not here to critique IgD's USN experience. Perhaps it is a quality program, that I do not know. How IgD and others appear so confident to disregard physicians FIRST HAND knowledge is on him/her/them.

 

[edmadison]

...selected to be "chief resident" (is that not a part of all residencies???)

No it is not part of all residencies. In pediatrics (and IM too, I think) a CR is like a fellowship position. It's an additional year following residency.

ed

 

[usnavdoc]

No it is not part of all residencies. In pediatrics (and IM too, I think) a CR is like a fellowship position. It's an additional year following residency.

ed

In peds and IM it is not a fellowship position in an academic sense. It is more of a management fellowship. Several residencies longer than three years simply elect chiefs in their senior year while some residencies consider all senior residents chiefs. In the military it is an elected position within the normal residency years. It is not an additional "fellowship" year as it is in civilian IM or Peds. Your fellow residents or the staff simply elect someone OR I have also seen that the senior resident(s) by date of rank are simply appointed for this collateral duty.

Therefore in the military it really doesnt mean anything of significance in terms of status or medical prowess.

 

[GMO_52]

In peds and IM it is not a fellowship position in an academic sense. It is more of a management fellowship. Several residencies longer than three years simply elect chiefs in their senior year while some residencies consider all senior residents chiefs. In the military it is an elected position within the normal residency years. It is not an additional "fellowship" year as it is in civilian IM or Peds. Your fellow residents or the staff simply elect someone OR I have also seen that the senior resident(s) by date of rank are simply appointed for this collateral duty.

Therefore in the military it really doesnt mean anything of significance in terms of status or medical prowess.

OK, lets put this to rest. For IM, the chief resident is a staff physician who has just completed residency. This is true for all three Navy IM programs. Most Chief's go on to subspecialize and, because this counts as a utilization tour and is selected competitively, this is usually a direct route into fellowship. Most Navy IM residents go straight through (no GMO). I was an exception due to needing to remain local for a longer period. Next year, 8 of the 10 incoming R2's will be straight through. These folks like the Chief option because it makes them competitive for fellowship after only one year. So...actually, this is a fairly typical story...IM residency...chief...fellowship all in a row. The current chiefs at Bethesda and Balboa will both do this.

So...it does mean something.

 

[Inidae]

You will get full benefits but only for as long as the program takes.
So if you have a one year fellowship you will have an additional 2 years of available GIBill that you may use at a later time up to 10 years after leaving the AD.

The only time I amnot sure if you can use it is if you will be doing a fellowship as FTOS or FD(more likely than FTOS) and then subsequently returning to AD.

I would apply via the online web page. If you have any questions feel free to PM me. I just left AD and will be using the GI Bill while returning to Civ residency. I have already done the application and recieved approval for full time student status.

CAN THE GI BILL BE USED DURING AN ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY RESIDENCY IF A MEMBER HAS AT LEAST 3 years PRIOR SERVICE ON ACTIVE DUTY?

 

[IgD]

CAN THE GI BILL BE USED DURING AN ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY RESIDENCY IF A MEMBER HAS AT LEAST 3 years PRIOR SERVICE ON ACTIVE DUTY?

No. Only during a civilian residency or fellowship.

 

[Pemberley]

OK, lets put this to rest. For IM, the chief resident is a staff physician who has just completed residency. This is true for all three Navy IM programs. Most Chief's go on to subspecialize and, because this counts as a utilization tour and is selected competitively, this is usually a direct route into fellowship. Most Navy IM residents go straight through (no GMO). I was an exception due to needing to remain local for a longer period. Next year, 8 of the 10 incoming R2's will be straight through. These folks like the Chief option because it makes them competitive for fellowship after only one year. So...actually, this is a fairly typical story...IM residency...chief...fellowship all in a row. The current chiefs at Bethesda and Balboa will both do this.

So...it does mean something.

GMO_52: do you have any idea whether peds is structured similarly to IM in the areas you mention?

Thanks
-Pemberley

 

[Homunculus]

GMO_52: do you have any idea whether peds is structured similarly to IM in the areas you mention?

Thanks
-Pemberley

at least in the NCA (WRAMC and NNMC), no. most peds residents are "GMO'd" out after their internship, then come back to finish their training. as for a chief resident position, it varies year to year. last year we didn't have one, this year we had an army one (which the army in its infinite wisdom attempted to deploy 😕 in the middle of our academic year), and next year we'll have a navy one.

peds residents/staff are abused more than the IM folks. i heard yesterday that in the most recent promotion cycle to 0-6 in the navy (which reportedly overall around 50% were selected) that of the nine 0-6 eligible pediatricians, a grand total of zero were selected.

peds overall takes a lot of abuse from the services in order to justify its existence in military GME, which i don't really understand but am learning to live with. don't let it discourage you, but definitely don't use the IM world as a barometer for peds.

--your friendly neighborhood wants IM to pull their weight caveman

 

[Croooz]

Caveman,
You know that O6 is the coveted rank in the Navy. Not many make it that far. It's equivalent to E7 for the enlisted. There are many specialties that just aren't going to make O6 easily. Not sure I would use the O6 as a barometer either.

 

[Homunculus]

Caveman,
You know that O6 is the coveted rank in the Navy. Not many make it that far. It's equivalent to E7 for the enlisted. There are many specialties that just aren't going to make O6 easily. Not sure I would use the O6 as a barometer either.

even so, you'd think that if the select rate was roughly 50% (which is what i heard) then at least ONE out of the nine would have been selected. it'd be interesting to see the select rate for other specialties-- it *could* be a medical thing more so than a peds thing i suppose.

is O-6 in the navy that much more prestigious than O-6 in the army? are there fewer of them, percentage-wise?

--your friendly neighborhood Captain (the O3 variety) Caveman

 

[GMO_52]

Caveman,
You know that O6 is the coveted rank in the Navy. Not many make it that far. It's equivalent to E7 for the enlisted. There are many specialties that just aren't going to make O6 easily. Not sure I would use the O6 as a barometer either.

O6 = E7 hee hee. You've been suckered by the coffee-mug brigade. Statistically, it is far easier to make CPO than O6. Look at it this way, on USS LASTSHIP, there were 30+ E7's and ZERO O6's.