Going to a dumber school over Ivy to specialize?

[Jimmy Choo]

So, I've been doing a lot of research on the topic of specializing and have come across a lot of good information with the exception of useless sarcastic replies by armorshell. Anyway, let's save the public service announcement of "if your heart is into it, you can specialize anywhere!" and talk about this strategy.

The Ivies have a high specialization rate because of their reputation and the quality of students they get. Now this means that you'll be competing against smarter students, which means it would be harder for you to get honors or A's. So why not go to a less competitive school where you'll be competing against dumber students, which means it would be easier for you to get A's.

Please don't take my statements and make them absolute. Of course there are dumb kids at Ivies and of course there are geniuses at less competitive schools. But it's a fact that Ivies have GPA & average DAT scores that are considerably higher than that of less competitive schools. It's hard to quantify something like this but I believe that if you can get top 50% at an Ivy, you can get top 10% at a state school; that's just my guess based on how much lower the admissions standards are at some state schools. I mean I see some predent profiles of the people attending less competitive schools like UoP, and I just salivate at the thought of how easy it would be to destroy them in exams. Then I look at people that are going to Ivies and the competition seems fierce.

I guess my questions is for those of you who are thinking about specializing... have you considered going to a less competitive school vs. Ivy where you'll be more competitive and have a better chance of achieving top 10%? I saw one person who is planning on going to Tufts over Penn...anyone else?

PS. Please don't talk about board scores. No kidding it's important but it has nothing to do with choosing which dental school to attend.

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[bcdds09]

wow..I'm bringing out the extra big bucket for this one

 

[achilles2]

Unless your state school is Stony Brook which has higher stats then all the Ivy Leagues....


just sayin


You can't not talk about board scores because in the end those are what matter most....everyone gets a shot at everyone else. The competition is global if your going to score a 95+ on the part 1 of the NBDE then odds are you can be near the top of your class at any school.

 

[enfuego]

 

[DrReo]

So, I've been doing a lot of research on the topic of specializing and have come across a lot of good information with the exception of useless sarcastic replies by armorshell. Anyway, let's save the public service announcement of "if your heart is into it, you can specialize anywhere!" and talk about this strategy.

The Ivies have a high specialization rate because of their reputation and the quality of students they get. Now this means that you'll be competing against smarter students, which means it would be harder for you to get honors or A's. So why not go to a less competitive school where you'll be competing against dumber students, which means it would be easier for you to get A's.

Please don't take my statements and make them absolute. Of course there are dumb kids at Ivies and of course there are geniuses at less competitive schools. But it's a fact that Ivies have GPA & average DAT scores that are considerably higher than that of less competitive schools. It's hard to quantify something like this but I believe that if you can get top 50% at an Ivy, you can get top 10% at a state school; that's just my guess based on how much lower the admissions standards are at some state schools. I mean I see some predent profiles of the people attending less competitive schools like UoP, and I just salivate at the thought of how easy it would be to destroy them in exams. Then I look at people that are going to Ivies and the competition seems fierce.

I guess my questions is for those of you who are thinking about specializing... have you considered going to a less competitive school vs. Ivy where you'll be more competitive and have a better chance of achieving top 10%? I saw one person who is planning on going to Tufts over Penn...anyone else?

PS. Please don't talk about board scores. No kidding it's important but it has nothing to do with choosing which dental school to attend.

I completely agree. Tufts does have one of the easiest programs, especially compared to an Ivy, such as UPenn. Your intelligence is so extreme, you may get the top 1%.

A lot of first round accepted individuals turn down the ivies for state schools. So, does this drive down the Ivy leagues stats? Last time I check, Nebraska had a higher GPA than any Ivy.... Your logic is interesting, further explain.

 

[Black Teeth]

So, I've been doing a lot of research on the topic of specializing and have come across a lot of good information with the exception of useless sarcastic replies by armorshell. Anyway, let's save the public service announcement of "if your heart is into it, you can specialize anywhere!" and talk about this strategy.

The Ivies have a high specialization rate because of their reputation and the quality of students they get. Now this means that you'll be competing against smarter students, which means it would be harder for you to get honors or A's. So why not go to a less competitive school where you'll be competing against dumber students, which means it would be easier for you to get A's.

Please don't take my statements and make them absolute. Of course there are dumb kids at Ivies and of course there are geniuses at less competitive schools. But it's a fact that Ivies have GPA & average DAT scores that are considerably higher than that of less competitive schools. It's hard to quantify something like this but I believe that if you can get top 50% at an Ivy, you can get top 10% at a state school; that's just my guess based on how much lower the admissions standards are at some state schools. I mean I see some predent profiles of the people attending less competitive schools like UoP, and I just salivate at the thought of how easy it would be to destroy them in exams. Then I look at people that are going to Ivies and the competition seems fierce.

I guess my questions is for those of you who are thinking about specializing... have you considered going to a less competitive school vs. Ivy where you'll be more competitive and have a better chance of achieving top 10%? I saw one person who is planning on going to Tufts over Penn...anyone else?

PS. Please don't talk about board scores. No kidding it's important but it has nothing to do with choosing which dental school to attend.

2 of the 3 Ivy league dental schools are on a pass/ fail grading system. The only one I'm not sure about is Penn which I'm guessing has a traditional grading system. A pass/ fail grading system by definition, means that there is no GPA. Hence, students cannot be ranked and therefore, there is no competition. So the idea that "other" dental schools with traditional grades are less competitive than Ivy League dental schools is not entirely 100% accurate. This idea may be accurate if you compare those "other" schools to Penn but not to Columbia and Harvard which use the pass/ fail system. The idea of going to a less competitive school vs. a more competitive school in order to have the chance to rank in the top 10% has actually been discussed in regards to dental school and medical school admissions. I think the idea can be applied successfully to dental specialty admissions as well. But I disagree with you that board scores have nothing to do with choosing which dental school to attend. Some dental schools have academic curriculums that are geared to preparing you for the national boards. And some of these dental schools that have these national board oriented curriculums are include both non-Ivy League schools as well as Ivy League dental schools. There are several dental schools that are more concerned with making sure that you are a good dentist and are less concerned with how you perform on the boards and therefore, don't custom tailor their curriculum based on the national boards. So choosing one school over another could mean you have deficiency in you knowledge for the boards. I know of a few dental schools like that but I won't mention them on SDN because in all fairness, there is nothing wrong with a school that focuses on producing great general dentists and not so concerned with producing specialists. But your idea of going to a less competitive dental school makes sense in theory.

 

[nydds25]

Unless your state school is Stony Brook which has higher stats then all the Ivy Leagues....


just sayin


You can't not talk about board scores because in the end those are what matter most....everyone gets a shot at everyone else. The competition is global if your going to score a 95+ on the part 1 of the NBDE then odds are you can be near the top of your class at any school.

You also cant compare a school with less than 40 students to schools with 80 and 120. You take the top 40 of penn and Columbia, and the stats will be higher than Stony.

 

[achilles2]

You also cant compare a school with less than 40 students to schools with 80 and 120. You take the top 40 of penn and Columbia, and the stats will be higher than Stony.

Harvard has 35



go check the stats the highest avg DAT scores this year is at Stony with a 22 compared to like UCLA and Columbia with a 21 and Penn and Harvard with a 20.

OP was talking about competition, amount of seats available is also a factor you cannot negate this.

NYU has a avg DAT of 20 this year with the most seats, but that doesn't stop people trying to bash it on a regular basis.

2 of the 3 Ivy league dental schools are on a pass/ fail grading system. The only one I'm not sure about is Penn which I'm guessing has a traditional grading system. A pass/ fail grading system by definition, means that there is no GPA. Hence, students cannot be ranked and therefore, there is no competition. So the idea that "other" dental schools with traditional grades are less competitive than Ivy League dental schools is not entirely 100% accurate. This idea may be accurate if you compare those "other" schools to Penn but not to Columbia and Harvard which use the pass/ system. The idea of going to a less competitive school vs. a more competitive school in order to have the chance to rank in the top 10% has actually been discussed in regards to dental school and medical school admissions. I think the idea can be applied successfully to dental specialty admissions as well. But I disagree with you that board scores have nothing to do with choosing which dental school to attend. Some dental schools have academic curriculums that are geared to preparing you for the national boards. And some of these dental schools that have these national board oriented curriculums are include both non-Ivy League schools as well as Ivy League dental schools. But your idea makes sense in theory.

Columbia has

Pass/Fail/Honors

Class is ranked into top 1/3 middle 1/3 and bottom 1/3 and they can do a silent ranking if needed.


I'm simply playing devils advocate. Bottom line if you want to step up and prove something do it on the boards.

 

[Oracle DMD]

the OP can't be for real. haha she "salivates at the thought of destroying them (UOP students) on exams". wow.sounds like this girl has deeper problems. another slack jaw pre-dent elitist. hahaha if you get into an ivy it won't validate you or make you cooler than anybody. i hope you get all the way through to a specialty interview where a kid from Tufts or UOP takes your spot. you should save some of that money you wanna send to harvard and put it towards charm school instead.

 

[JamesOSU]

I mean I see some predent profiles of the people attending less competitive schools like UoP, and I just salivate at the thought of how easy it would be to destroy them in exams.

Wow. You should've gone into PR. Two words come to mind. Gunner, and the other one starts with a B and ends with -itch. Glad you're not my classmate.

 

[Black Teeth]

Columbia has

Pass/Fail/Honors

Class is ranked into top 1/3 middle 1/3 and bottom 1/3 and they can do a silent ranking if needed.


I'm simply playing devils advocate. Bottom line if you want to step up and prove something do it on the boards.

Does the honors grade show up on the dental school transcript? If Columbia does a silent ranking...that sucks because that means they are not truly using a pass/ fail system. A silent ranking system would defeat the whole point of using the pass/ fail system. If a school does a silent ranking, why bother using a pass/ fail system at all? If that's the case, then Columbia might as well use traditional grades so that every student knows where they stand. That's pretty sneaky and underhanded for a school to do that. Can anyone else confirm this?

 

[nydds25]

Harvard has 35



go check the stats the highest avg DAT scores this year is at Stony with a 22 compared to like UCLA and Columbia with a 21 and Penn and Harvard with a 20.

OP was talking about competition, amount of seats available is also a factor you cannot negate this.

NYU has a avg DAT of 20 this year with the most seats, but that doesn't stop people trying to bash it on a regular basis.




Columbia has

Pass/Fail/Honors

Class is ranked into top 1/3 middle 1/3 and bottom 1/3 and they can do a silent ranking if needed.


I'm simply playing devils advocate. Bottom line if you want to step up and prove something do it on the boards.

Actually you are wrong... the numbers you are referring to are the median DAT. I was referring to the mean.. available in the charts in the ADEA book. Harvard and Columbia are higher than Stony. Lower medium and higher mean shows that they have better students at the top of the class skewing the average up. If you were to cut the columbia class in half and keep the top students, the medium would significanlty rise above Stony.

 

[armorshell]

Couple random comments responding to various people who I'm too lazy to pick out and reply to individually:

1. I went to a lecture at UCSF where the program director of the OMFS program said, and I quote "When this school (UCSF) went to Pass/Fail it became a huge disadvantage for you when applying to specialty programs." He also related how a certain high profile OMFS program's director will not look at applications without a GPA and rank.

While this is one person's opinion, and P/F schools manage to place plenty of people into residencies regardless, it is something to think about.

2. I bounced the idea around in my head as a pre-dent that if I went to a school known for producing GP's the competition to specialize would be less and it would make it easier on me. While this might have played out somewhat, it's not because the competition is "dumber", it's because their motivation lies in areas not concerning grades, GPA or boards.

3. This one it to the OP: You're getting way ahead of yourself. Not in that you want to specialize, which I think is a fine quality in a pre-dent, but in your assumption that you'll lay waste to hundreds of people you don't even know in a curriculum you've never experienced. You have no idea who you'll be competing against, even at a "dumb" school like Pacific or a state school. GPA and DAT are only a glimpse of what a person is and how they will compete, and the average GPA and DAT of a school don't tell you much about the people you'll actually be competing with, the top 20-30 or so. Does it matter if the school's average DAT is a 21AA if 25 of your 140 classmates have a 23+?

 

[brandonbraud]

My take on this is you have to get into dental school first before you talk about specializing. The 2nd day of orientation we had a douche ask about it and the dean laughed at him.

Get here first, right? Okay, check. Then you can decide how much better you are than the other 70-80 students who are just as good as you and probably better at least in one thing.
Then what if your brain is so advanced but your hand skills suck? I find this aspect especially ironic and I witness it every day.

Now the real question here is exactly how "dumb" would it be to go to a 50-000$ + school just because it is IVY rather than a respected state school. I think its absolutely assanine. Good luck paying off the $250000 after you get that "more respected" but EQUAL degree.

Or maybe your parents pay for everything ? (In your case this is pretty clear)....so go to the IVY league.

Either way I think its idiotic to talk about something like that when you're not even in dental school. Like all the pre-med kids in the pre-med clubs with the t-shirts and whatnot who never had a prayer of getting in in the first place.

(sighs)

 

[zorie]

You're being extremely disrespectful. Your question might have been legit if you'd been mature enough to word it properly, but your language and the tone that it reflects are out of line.

 

[preOMFS]

My take on this is you have to get into dental school first before you talk about specializing. The 2nd day of orientation we had a douche ask about it and the dean laughed at him.

Get here first, right? Okay, check. Then you can decide how much better you are than the other 70-80 students who are just as good as you and probably better at least in one thing.
Then what if your brain is so advanced but your hand skills suck? I find this aspect especially ironic and I witness it every day.

Now the real question here is exactly how "dumb" would it be to go to a 50-000$ + school just because it is IVY rather than a respected state school. I think its absolutely assanine. Good luck paying off the $250000 after you get that "more respected" but EQUAL degree.

Or maybe your parents pay for everything ? (In your case this is pretty clear)....so go to the IVY league.

Either way I think its idiotic to talk about something like that when you're not even in dental school. Like all the pre-med kids in the pre-med clubs with the t-shirts and whatnot who never had a prayer of getting in in the first place.

(sighs)

True that. I mean, I'm thinking that I REALLY want to specialize in OMFS, but I know the first step is getting my dental degree. Anyone who wants to specialize has a long, tough road ahead of them and I would take things day by day. That's what I do.

 

[lphiewok]

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[Oracle DMD]

i think this bitch needs to get banned from this forum. she just pisses everyone off with her ignorance and her stupid attitude.

i would dick slap you if i see you on the street and teach you about the real world from 'dumber' person

easy there dumb dumb. save the language for the frat house. there is a way to disagree without going this far.

 

[NyCzPeter]

Lol obviously a troll. Seriously Mods lets close this baby up.

 

[Oracle DMD]

lol obviously a troll. Seriously mods lets close this baby up.

+1

 

[preOMFS]

+2

 

[eternalxdemon]

+3 why hasn't she been banned for stupidity?

 

[DrReo]

Because it's a debatable/interesting post.

 

[nydds25]

+3 why hasn't she been banned for stupidity?

She sounds sexually frustrated and needs a good lay. I'll take one for the forum and help her out with that.

 

[eternalxdemon]

She sounds sexually frustrated and needs a good lay. I'll take one for the forum and help her out with that.

watch out... she might eat you alive....

 

[chessxwizard]

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM

 

[DentalP87]

no matter what school you go to you're gonna have classmates who are smarter than you

wait till you get into dental school

 

[nydds25]

Didn't this girl get into Harvard. Almost everyone there is able to specialize so why does she not just choose that school.

 

[bjhath]

:troll:

 

[Jimmy Choo]

I'd like to point out how insecure some of you guys are. Whenever there is any kind of thread with the keywords IVY and STATE SCHOOL, you guys feel the need to justify your decisions. It goes both ways. The Ivy kids talking about how their curriculum prepare them to ace the boards and how so many doors open for them. The state kids talking how much money they save and how much more clinically prepared they are. This is a thread discussing the strategy or rationale behind students who want to specialize but chose the less competitive schools over Ivies. Not because the less competitive schools were cheaper, but because they felt that they'd have a better shot at specializing. Can't we stay on topic? Honey, I don't care that you got a 30AA but turned down Harvard for Nebraska, good for you. Oh, and I'm in the final process of choosing a school so no, I am not getting ahead of myself.

Couple random comments responding to various people who I'm too lazy to pick out and reply to individually:

1. I went to a lecture at UCSF where the program director of the OMFS program said, and I quote "When this school (UCSF) went to Pass/Fail it became a huge disadvantage for you when applying to specialty programs." He also related how a certain high profile OMFS program's director will not look at applications without a GPA and rank.

While this is one person's opinion, and P/F schools manage to place plenty of people into residencies regardless, it is something to think about.

2. I bounced the idea around in my head as a pre-dent that if I went to a school known for producing GP's the competition to specialize would be less and it would make it easier on me. While this might have played out somewhat, it's not because the competition is "dumber", it's because their motivation lies in areas not concerning grades, GPA or boards.

3. This one it to the OP: You're getting way ahead of yourself. Not in that you want to specialize, which I think is a fine quality in a pre-dent, but in your assumption that you'll lay waste to hundreds of people you don't even know in a curriculum you've never experienced. You have no idea who you'll be competing against, even at a "dumb" school like Pacific or a state school. GPA and DAT are only a glimpse of what a person is and how they will compete, and the average GPA and DAT of a school don't tell you much about the people you'll actually be competing with, the top 20-30 or so. Does it matter if the school's average DAT is a 21AA if 25 of your 140 classmates have a 23+?

I did not expect armorshell to be the one giving the thoughtful reply. You're right about the uncertainty factor and that the top portion of students at state schools being just as competitive as students at Ivies. But my question remains, which route will be more advantageous? What was your conclusion of thinking over #2?

 

[Jimmy Choo]

+1 on H/P/F schools being competitive. Come on guys, we're talking about Columbia and Harvard students. They have been gunning for all their lives; you think being in a H/P/F system will stop them? Everyone is gunning for that H.

 

[DrReo]

And how many of the IVY students ace the boards?

 

[makers]

i think this bitch needs to get banned from this forum. she just pisses everyone off with her ignorance and her stupid attitude.

i would dick slap you if i see you on the street and teach you about the real world from 'dumber' person

That is TOTALLY inappropriate. Jimmy Choo's statements may be incredibly immature and laughably condescending, but your response is way out of line and is certainly more worthy of banning than a silly thread about "dumb" dental schools.

She sounds sexually frustrated and needs a good lay. I'll take one for the forum and help her out with that.

Also incredibly inappropriate. The "nothing but your shirt on" thing may be fishing for that kind of attention, but we're not in high school anymore. Why drag the conversation to even lower levels?

 

[Jimmy Choo]

And how many of the IVY students ace the boards?

Again, classic insecure SDNer. That has nothing to do with what I'm asking. As far as I'm concerned, the school you go to has no bearing on your board score. You could make a case that going to a school like Columbia where the first two years are identical to the medical school, that you'll be better prepared. Maybe. But I won't be relying on my school curriculum to prepare me for the boards, just like I didn't rely on my undergrad curriculum to prepare me for the DAT. Your board score will be the same no matter where you go to dental school. My question still remains, which route will give you a better probability of specializing?

 

[DrReo]

The Ivy kids talking about how their curriculum prepare them to ace the boards and how so many doors open for them.

The state kids talking how much money they save and how much more clinically prepared they are.

I would hope their curriculum prepares them for boards... Isn't it suppose to? I cannot comment personal how significant class rank is in the post-doctoral admissions process; however, it does has a large impact as a majority of us know. So, if you can do better at a state school vs. an Ivy- go for it remembering some of the students at the state school were accepted at an Ivy and turned it down for financial reasons, location, etc.

At any school you're going to have the top students that could be in the top percentile at any institution they are at. That's just how they perform.

 

[Black Teeth]

+1 on H/P/F schools being competitive. Come on guys, we're talking about Columbia and Harvard students. They have been gunning for all their lives; you think being in a H/P/F system will stop them? Everyone is gunning for that H.

Very true in the beginning of dental school. I have to admit that is the case during the first year of dental school. But the majority of pass/ fail schools don't show the honors grade on the dental transcript and once the students realize that then the competition amongst each other starts to die out. By the time 2nd year rolls around, I find that many students who were once gunning for that honors grade no longer care. That was the same for me. I was one of those who was gunning for the honors grade only to discover that it didn't appear on the dental transcript. So how was the specialty program going to know that I recieved honors grades in several of my classes? That's why I stopped trying to get those honors grades and so did everyone else in my class.

 

[Lulu2809]

The most appropriate idea would be to contact the schools and determine their applied/accepted ratio of students for specialization programs. Then use that information to compare it to the school's class size. Then you will not only get an idea about their success in being accepted, but also what know percentage of their class ends up specializing.

I feel like asking SDNers about this is absolutely the silliest thing ever--especially in a pre-dental forum where most of us have not even started dental school yet; the most you're going to get is a bunch of opinions.

 

[gryffindor]

The answer to your question is Harvard. If you know you want to specialize and omg-i'm-gonna-die-if-i-don't specialize, then go to Harvard if you get in. Otherwise, all other schools are the same game, different locations.

Why does Jimmy Choo sound like the pre-dent who was obsessed with the Louis Vuitton bags and Columbia? Do overpriced leather goods and gunning for ivy schools have something to do with each other?

 

[thethethe]

i think she got into penn, columbia, and harvard. just so you guys know

 

[tinman831]

Keep it civil people.

 

[armorshell]

Note to the peanut gallery: Just because what someone says makes you angry, or you don't like it, doesn't mean they deserve to be banned and it doesn't make them a troll.

Stop filling up my mailbox with request to ban Jimmy Choo, I'm an assistant mod, I can't even do that if I wanted to.

On the same note, keep the argument civil. You'll make a much better showing for yourself if you can refute an argument without personal attacks.

 

[dds4yrs]

I see this as a completely VALID point. If you truly would like to specialize then this would have a huge impact on your choice of dental schools(assuming you were lucky enough to have a choice!). Knowing that specialty programs accept based on your class ranking and board scores I think it would be important to have a happy medium in both. BUT NOT talking about board scores then I think it would be important to decide where you could excel the best to achieve the higher class rank. First in class is first no matter where you attend, are some schools more respected, YES, BUT if they can only off class rank it doesn't matter where you achieved that first in class at. No matter where you go you will still be a dentist, I say go where you think you can graduate at the top if you KNOW you want to specialize.

 

[zorie]

The answer to your question is Harvard. If you know you want to specialize and omg-i'm-gonna-die-if-i-don't specialize, then go to Harvard if you get in. Otherwise, all other schools are the same game, different locations.

Why does Jimmy Choo sound like the pre-dent who was obsessed with the Louis Vuitton bags and Columbia? Do overpriced leather goods and gunning for ivy schools have something to do with each other?

Well her alias IS Jimmy Choo.

 

[zorie]

I'd like to point out how insecure some of you guys are. Whenever there is any kind of thread with the keywords IVY and STATE SCHOOL, you guys feel the need to justify your decisions. It goes both ways. The Ivy kids talking about how their curriculum prepare them to ace the boards and how so many doors open for them. The state kids talking how much money they save and how much more clinically prepared they are. This is a thread discussing the strategy or rationale behind students who want to specialize but chose the less competitive schools over Ivies. Not because the less competitive schools were cheaper, but because they felt that they'd have a better shot at specializing. Can't we stay on topic? Honey, I don't care that you got a 30AA but turned down Harvard for Nebraska, good for you. Oh, and I'm in the final process of choosing a school so no, I am not getting ahead of myself.


I did not expect armorshell to be the one giving the thoughtful reply. You're right about the uncertainty factor and that the top portion of students at state schools being just as competitive as students at Ivies. But my question remains, which route will be more advantageous? What was your conclusion of thinking over #2?

Did you have to call schools and students dumber and how you salivate at the thought of destroying people in exams? It's not the question that people are offended by, it's your attitude. You're not better than anyone here.

 

[doc3232]

To Black Teeth: What is the point of a H/P/F system if the H never shows up? Can you explain how this works if specialty programs won't see it?

 

[NyCzPeter]

i think she got into penn, columbia, and harvard. just so you guys know

I think with that attitude, I doubt she even got into Puerto Rico dental school. Anyone can come parading around here like they got in somewhere. Ahem

BTW just so you guys know. I also got into penn, columbia and harvard

 

[Jimmy Choo]

I see this as a completely VALID point. If you truly would like to specialize then this would have a huge impact on your choice of dental schools(assuming you were lucky enough to have a choice!). Knowing that specialty programs accept based on your class ranking and board scores I think it would be important to have a happy medium in both. BUT NOT talking about board scores then I think it would be important to decide where you could excel the best to achieve the higher class rank. First in class is first no matter where you attend, are some schools more respected, YES, BUT if they can only off class rank it doesn't matter where you achieved that first in class at. No matter where you go you will still be a dentist, I say go where you think you can graduate at the top if you KNOW you want to specialize.

But it's not all that definitive. I mean if it were that easy, I'd just go to Howard. As much as people like to deny it, your dental school's name counts for specialty admissions, just like your undergraduate school's name counted for dental school admissions. Ivies have the name but how much of a drop in your class rank can you afford before you become less competitive than if you had gone to a state school.

 

[Jimmy Choo]

Did you have to call schools and students dumber and how you salivate at the thought of destroying people in exams? It's not the question that people are offended by, it's your attitude. You're not better than anyone here.

If I were more polite or politically correct, would the insecure SDNers have responded differently? Maybe, but not that much. Like I said, I did my research before making this thread and saw time and time again, how the insecure SDNers united and acted in a collective mob mentality to justify their mediocrity. If you're insecure about yourself to the point where you're offended by what I said, I wouldn't value your opinion on the subject because more likely than not, you wouldn't even be in the position to comment on the matter because you barely got into one or two schools.

Look at armorshell, a person who is secure about himself and his choice to attend UoP. I don't know how he did in his application, but I'm willing to be that he did well. Either that or his kicking ass in dental school. I wish I could say the same for the majority of others in this thread.

 

[smileforme31]

seriously.... do urself a favor and stop being ignorant... u just make urself look so bad. I dont even know why you are bringing Howard into as a 'dumb' school. i havent researched about howard but i'm pretty sure if it was a ****ty, dumb school the ada would not have accredited it. DOnT know where you got accepted to but i feel REALLY bad for the school and your classmates to have such an ignorant person like you.
there are alot of respected state school that are WAY better than the Ivies. ortho books by unc professors are used at other dental school.

 

[Svart Aske]

If I were more polite or politically correct, would the insecure SDNers have responded differently? Maybe, but not that much. Like I said, I did my research before making this thread and saw time and time again, how the insecure SDNers united and acted in a collective mob mentality to justify their mediocrity. If you're insecure about yourself to the point where you're offended by what I said, I wouldn't value your opinion on the subject because more likely than not, you wouldn't even be in the position to comment on the matter because you barely got into one or two schools.

I think people are more vexed by your tactlessness than they are from feeling insecure. Granted, your question and concern are valid.