Going to a dumber school over Ivy to specialize?

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People are so quick to point out cases of dentists that did OMFS or ortho who came from state schools. Yes, obviously the majority of the total people in grad programs across the country come from state schools, but this is missing the point. Great, those students were very successful in their schools and ended up saving a lot of money. The point is, it's a matter of relative ratios. Last year Harvard sent 11 students into ortho out of 36 graduates and, I'm sure Columbia's is far above other schools' ratios also.
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Jimmy Choo said:
Why? I don't know how to put this but, I'm kind of a big deal.
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Jimmy Choo said:
I mean I see some predent profiles of the people attending less competitive schools like UoP, and I just salivate at the thought of how easy it would be to destroy them in exams. :laugh: Then I look at people that are going to Ivies and the competition seems fierce. :(
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Jimmy Choo said:
Can you kindly stop posting in this thread? You have nothing pertinent to add on the subject and I'm really resisting the urge to stay civil with you.
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Jimmy Choo said:
I just wanted some advice from someone who has actually been in my Choo's and ended up choosing a state school over an Ivy school to have a better chance of being near the top of the class.
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Jimmy Choo said:
Why? I don't know how to put this but, I'm kind of a big deal.
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If you applied to Tufts, just go there and forget UPenn, Harvard, and Columbia. I [almost] salivate at the prospect of the entertainment value you'd provide. :thumbup:
 
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Jimmy Choo said:
armorshell, I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about a class of 2013 who chose Tufts over Penn. I was under the impression you had a bad GPA and high DAT, which limited your options.

sang86, um creepy? I think I know who you are...I hope you're not thinking about divulging my personal information here you freak.

a1pha, I think you make some great points. The prospect of pass/fail is very tempting. It's not about not believing in yourself to be able to compete, but I think it's more about increasing your odds. Why not do that even if it's small when you have the choice to do so and money isn't a factor? I'm trying to determine which route will give me the better odds of getting into ortho.


You assume that I'm saying you can't give advice because your stats are low. I just wanted some advice from someone who has actually been in my Choo's and ended up choosing a state school over an Ivy school to have a better chance of being near the top of the class. I never wanted to discuss the pros and cons of Ivy League schools and state schools, which happened in this thread mostly because of insecure predents.

For what it's worth, I'm leaning more towards my state school at the moment. :eek:
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well if you wanted that I would start by not calling other schools "dumber" schools... and btw... I'm far from insecure...
 
a1pha said:
People are so quick to point out cases of dentists that did OMFS or ortho who came from state schools. Yes, obviously the majority of the total people in grad programs across the country come from state schools, but this is missing the point. Great, those students were very successful in their schools and ended up saving a lot of money. The point is, it's a matter of relative ratios. Last year Harvard sent 11 students into ortho out of 36 graduates and, I'm sure Columbia's is far above other schools' ratios also.
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When you look at nothing but a ratio, there's so much information you're not considering. How many people apply to specialties from Harvard vs. University of X? How many of the students started dental school intending to specialize. You can't even factor out the fact that sites like this claim certain schools are better at "making" specialty students, which drives committed students (Who would specialize form any school) into these programs. It continues to stun me that students who've been to top universities, have amazing GPA's and boards scores, who've participated in and published original research, can look at a single number, a data-point, a correlation, and accept it as an end-all truth.

Research has shown that the actual school you attend may have little to do with how well you do in admissions, and the much more important factor is motivation to succeed. Levitt (of Freakonomics fame) did a study looking at high schoolers and college admission in a suburb were school assignment was done at random, where students had a chance to submit a petition to change schools. The group found that students who submitted applications to transfer to the "good" school, known for success in college admission, succeeded at statistically similar levels regardless of where they actually ended up going to school.

Argue all you want, it probably doesn't matter. ;)
 
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armorshell said:
When you look at nothing but a ratio, there's so much information you're not considering. How many people apply to specialties from Harvard vs. University of X? How many of the students started dental school intending to specialize. You can't even factor out the fact that sites like this claim certain schools are better at "making" specialty students, which drives committed students (Who would specialize form any school) into these programs.

Research has shown that the actual school you attend may have little to do with how well you do in admissions, and the much more important factor is motivation to succeed. Levitt (of Freakonomics fame) did a study looking at high schoolers and college admission in a suburb were school assignment was done at random, where students had a chance to submit a petition to change schools. The group found that students who submitted applications to transfer to the "good" school, known for success in college admission, succeeded at statistically similar levels regardless of where they actually ended up going to school.

Argue all you want, it probably doesn't matter. ;)
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Agreed. You need to look at how many applied compared to how many matched. At "state schools" and the like, fewer people apply to specialty programs (usually) and sometimes, all those who applied match to a program, making the odds of matching at these schools 100% as it was when I graduated d-school a few years ago. So you can do well at a non-Ivy school, with less "gunner-tude" as I like to call it, and finish near the top of your class and have VERY good chance of matching. Although, like I have said from the beginning, you can attend Harvard/columbia have a 100 on boards, 4.0 life-time GPA, complete fantastic research, and be in every EC known to man and at the end of the day, if you are a headcase who loves themselves and have mediocre letters of recommendation, you WILL NOT match, end of story. No one wants to deal with pretentious, conceited individuals for 3 years....
 
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Agreed. You need to look at how many applied compared to how many matched. At "state schools" and the like, fewer people apply to specialty programs (usually) and sometimes, all those who applied match to a program, making the odds of matching at these schools 100% as it was when I graduated d-school a few years ago. So you can do well at a non-Ivy school, with less "gunner-tude" as I like to call it, and finish near the top of your class and have VERY good chance of matching. Although, like I have said from the beginning, you can attend Harvard/columbia have a 100 on boards, 4.0 life-time GPA, complete fantastic research, and be in every EC known to man and at the end of the day, if you are a headcase who loves themselves and have mediocre letters of recommendation, you WILL NOT match, end of story. No one wants to deal with pretentious, conceited individuals for 3 years....
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A great point that I've heard from 3 OMFS program directors and 1 ortho program director second hand is that once they invite a student to interview for the program, they rarely if ever look back at the application when determining who they rank. All that boards scores, GPA, rank, "school name", EC's and the like do is get you the interview. After that point, they literally don't even know or care what your grades were or where you came from. They just want to make sure that they can invest 3-6 years in you, that your personality meshes well with the program, etc...
 
armorshell said:
A great point that I've heard from 3 OMFS program directors and 1 ortho program director second hand is that once they invite a student to interview for the program, they rarely if ever look back at the application when determining who they rank. All that boards scores, GPA, rank, "school name", EC's and the like do is get you the interview. After that point, they literally don't even know or care what your grades were or where you came from. They just want to make sure that they can invest 3-6 years in you, that your personality meshes well with the program, etc...
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Well add another check to that list. That is 100% true of our feelings at our program. Grades, EC, boards, letters of rec get you the interview. Once at the interview, it is almost purely a personality contest to determine who will fit into the mold of the program the best and who will get along with the residents. In specialty training, so much of what you learn comes from your co-residents that even one bad apple can dramatically alter the learning environment.
 
armorshell said:
When you look at nothing but a ratio, there's so much information you're not considering. How many people apply to specialties from Harvard vs. University of X? How many of the students started dental school intending to specialize. You can't even factor out the fact that sites like this claim certain schools are better at "making" specialty students, which drives committed students (Who would specialize form any school) into these programs. It continues to stun me that students who've been to top universities, have amazing GPA's and boards scores, who've participated in and published original research, can look at a single number, a data-point, a correlation, and accept it as an end-all truth.

Research has shown that the actual school you attend may have little to do with how well you do in admissions, and the much more important factor is motivation to succeed. Levitt (of Freakonomics fame) did a study looking at high schoolers and college admission in a suburb were school assignment was done at random, where students had a chance to submit a petition to change schools. The group found that students who submitted applications to transfer to the "good" school, known for success in college admission, succeeded at statistically similar levels regardless of where they actually ended up going to school.

Argue all you want, it probably doesn't matter. ;)
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I'll admit, I posted a quick reply that jumped to conclusions but the fact of the matter is, none of us have the facts to know how much of a difference school makes. In the argument posed by Choo in this thread, the two numbers you need are # of students entering dental school with a plan to specialize and the total number that place into a program. I'd be very interested to see a study on the first number. One admissions director at one of the schools I applied to tossed out a stat saying something like 90% of students entering dental school initially plan to specialize. Whether or not this is factual at all, who knows.

One common argument (which you didn't use thankfully) is that you should check the number of students who apply versus the number who get in. This stat shows absolutely nothing because clearly only the more qualified students who have done well throughout dental school will be the ones who apply. W/o info that I'd be surprised if anyone has, this debate is pretty much useless. As for interviews and having a personality fit for the program, I'm glad this is true. I doubt this is school dependent at all either, because regardless of what people like to stereotype, I'm pretty sure all schools in the country have a pretty equal distribution of arrogant, standoff-ish students.
 
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I honestly do not see any advantage to attending an Ivy when it comes to specializing. If someone has what it takes to get into a place like Harvard, I'd say they have what it takes to get accepted into a specialty program. They should be able to go anywhere, do well in school and on the boards, and get into whatever specialty program they want.

With that said, I do not feel that arrogance is a trait specialty programs really look for. We had a meeting with a 3rd or 4th year OMFS resident here in Denver, and he emphasized the importance maintaining some humility as you strive to be the best in your class. He said that there were many excellent candidates for his program who were rejected simply because they came across as arrogant jerks in the interview.

Just go to where you'd like to live. Good luck.
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JimmyChoo... I hope, for your sake, that what you've said about yourself is true b/c Ivy or not, if you were one of my classmates and your personality wreaked of the arrogance and elitist attitude that you're portraying in this thread, I wouldn't hesitate to do everything in my power to make your life a living hell in D school. I guarantee you that plenty of others would jump on board, too.

Based on all your posts so far, and the title of this thread, I wouldn't be suprised if your head is so far up your own ass that you've disillusioned yourself into thinking that you really are "sensitive and sympathetic" in real life.

Have my stats made me "worthy" enough to make this "condescending" post, b*itch? With your attitude, I'm amazed that people have actually taken the time to give you some legitimate feedback.
 
PSU SHC 414 said:
JimmyChoo... I hope, for your sake, that what you've said about yourself is true b/c Ivy or not, if you were one of my classmates and your personality wreaked of the arrogance and elitist attitude that you're portraying in this thread, I wouldn't hesitate to do everything in my power to make your life a living hell in D school. I guarantee you that plenty of others would jump on board, too.

Based on all your posts so far, and the title of this thread, I wouldn't be suprised if your head is so far up your own ass that you've disillusioned yourself into thinking that you really are "sensitive and sympathetic" in real life.

Have my stats made me "worthy" enough to make this "condescending" post, b*itch? With your attitude, I'm amazed that people have actually taken the time to give you some legitimate feedback.
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Some great points brought up in the last few posts. Thank you!

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JimmyChoo... I hope, for your sake, that what you've said about yourself is true b/c Ivy or not, if you were one of my classmates and your personality wreaked of the arrogance and elitist attitude that you're portraying in this thread, I wouldn't hesitate to do everything in my power to make your life a living hell in D school. I guarantee you that plenty of others would jump on board, too.

Based on all your posts so far, and the title of this thread, I wouldn't be suprised if your head is so far up your own ass that you've disillusioned yourself into thinking that you really are "sensitive and sympathetic" in real life.

Have my stats made me "worthy" enough to make this "condescending" post, b*itch? With your attitude, I'm amazed that people have actually taken the time to give you some legitimate feedback.
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PSU SHC 414 said:
Have my stats made me "worthy" enough to make this "condescending" post, b*itch? With your attitude, I'm amazed that people have actually taken the time to give you some legitimate feedback.
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I'm terribly sorry but I didn't catch that part at first. Just the fact that you would think a 3.6 from a 2nd tier state school is anything close to good tells me a lot about you and your standards. I'm still considering Columbia, especially if they have more kids like you. I'm salivating already mmm mmm:love:
 
PSU SHC 414 said:
JimmyChoo... I hope, for your sake, that what you've said about yourself is true b/c Ivy or not, if you were one of my classmates and your personality wreaked of the arrogance and elitist attitude that you're portraying in this thread, I wouldn't hesitate to do everything in my power to make your life a living hell in D school. I guarantee you that plenty of others would jump on board, too.

Based on all your posts so far, and the title of this thread, I wouldn't be suprised if your head is so far up your own ass that you've disillusioned yourself into thinking that you really are "sensitive and sympathetic" in real life.
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The fact that you would actively try to make someone's life miserable is pathetic. Even if someone comes across as arrogant or elitist, what good does it do to attack them? Are you teaching them a lesson, big bad e-thug? Get a life.

Have my stats made me "worthy" enough to make this "condescending" post, b*itch? With your attitude, I'm amazed that people have actually taken the time to give you some legitimate feedback.
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You have a 3.55 science from penn state. I'm not sure why you're so proud of your stats, or why that would give you the internet credibility to call someone a b*tch. You seem to have worked yourself into an incredible rage over some stranger's comments on a forum. Please look into some therapy, or at least some medication so you don't rupture the few brain cells you have.
 
what a complete b!tch... if you are so proud about your grades and where you got in why don't you post up ur predents? i would seriously doubt ANY residency programs will accept you. i hope you mature up during d school or else you'll be like the rest of the "dumb" general dentists out in the world.

his stats are worthy enough. there are many reasons why a lot of students choose to go to a state school instead of a penn. that does not make him/her lower his standards... with those stats he/she still got into columbia.
 
Wordead said:
The fact that you would actively try to make someone's life miserable is pathetic. Even if someone comes across as arrogant or elitist, what good does it do to attack them? Are you teaching them a lesson, big bad e-thug? Get a life.



You have a 3.55 science from penn state. I'm not sure why you're so proud of your stats, or why that would give you the internet credibility to call someone a b*tch. You seem to have worked yourself into an incredible rage over some stranger's comments on a forum. Please look into some therapy, or at least some medication so you don't rupture the few brain cells you have.
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e-thug? hahaha. contrary to what you think, i don't get off on bullying people online. i was just simply trying to make a point since all the OP has done throughout this thread is to discredit people's (anti-Ivy) opinions and thoughts just because they have "subpar stats".

i'm sure there are plenty of others out there, like you, who don't think that a 3.55 in biochem/microbio from a *state-school* honors program is nothing to be proud of, but apparently columbia, penn, UNC, etc. (and all the "top tier" medical and graudate programs that my PSU classmates have been accepted to) didn't hold the same opinion. it's amazing that a "2nd tier" STATE school was able to educate me enough to score in the 98th percentile on the DAT... nothing to be proud of, btw... or get me into both dent and med schools. it's amazing too that there are tons of functioning, top-notch physicians and dentists (generalists and specialists alike) out there that were trained by STATE programs.

in fact, the last time i checked there are more than a handful of state dental programs (UNC, UCLA, UCSF, UTSA, UW, UConn... to name a few) that are more highly regarded AMONG DENTISTS than your beloved Ivies.

more often than not, there's a lot more than meets the eye when it comes to a person's GPA (i.e. maybe someone had to work their way through college since mommy and daddy weren't there to pay the bills and wipe your ass), so both you and the OP need to check yourselves before you criticize someone's "lower" GPA or discredit their opinion/statement based on a number.

if you think that urging your classmates to refuse to assist or be helpful to someone with the general attitude and mentality of the OP is "pathetic", so be it... i still stand by that statement. that situation wouldn't require much "active" effort on my part anyway... they'd alienate themselves in a heartbeat.


apparently "a stranger's comments on a forum" has worked your panties into a bunch too, so maybe we should "go get some therapy" together (???? whoa watch out there with the childish threats, chief... i don't think i can handle it. who the hell makes a statement like that in response to an internet post???)
 
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PSU SHC 414 said:
e-thug? hahaha. contrary to what you think, i don't get off on bullying people online. i was just simply trying to make a point since all the OP has done throughout this thread is to discredit people's (anti-Ivy) opinions and thoughts just because they have "subpar stats".

i'm sure there are plenty of others out there, like you, who don't think that a 3.55 in biochem/microbio from a *state-school* honors program is nothing to be proud of, but apparently columbia, penn, UNC, etc. didn't hold the same opinion. it's amazing that a "2nd tier" STATE school was able to educate me enough to score in the 98th percentile on the DAT... nothing to be proud of, btw... or get me into both dent and med schools.

if you think that urging your classmates to refuse to assist or be helpful to someone with the general attitude and mentality of the OP is "pathetic", so be it... i still stand by that statement. that situation wouldn't require much "active" effort on my part anyway... they'd alienate themselves in a heartbeat.


apparently "a stranger's comments on a forum" has worked your panties into a bunch too, so maybe we should "go get some therapy" (???? whoa watch out there with the childish threats, chief... i don't think i can handle it! who the hell says that in response to an internet post???) together.
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Damn someone just got told.
 
PSU SHC 414 said:
i'm sure there are plenty of others out there, like you, who don't think that a 3.55 in biochem/microbio from a *state-school* honors program is nothing to be proud of, but apparently columbia, penn, UNC, etc. (and all the "top tier" medical and graudate programs that my PSU classmates have been accepted to) didn't hold the same opinion. it's amazing that a "2nd tier" STATE school was able to educate me enough to score in the 98th percentile on the DAT...
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sorry for some reason I just can't stop saying that
 
I think from applicant to applicant, grades and board scores do take a huge chunk of how an applicant is evaluated. However, the personal statement, recommendations, work experiences, interview performances, applications also play a huge role.

You said if two applicant with similiar gpa and board, but one is from VCU and the other from Harvard that they'd choose Harvard? I really have to disagree with you on that. Judging someone only by their academic capability is totally ineffective and I believe schools know that by heart (they have seen so many applicants already theres no reason they still choose applicants by grades). Granted, getting into specialty is really really significantly more competitive than getting into dental school, GPA and Board exam scores do help them separate applicants faster.

I have to say, ivy or state, I'd choose which ever is more convenient, more to your liking and somewhere you'll be comfortable living and studying for four years. In the end if you just do great on board (you study that by yourself if theres no one to help you), and get a great GPA (i don't think going to ivy will automatically drop your GPA, if you are smart theres no reason the competitiveness should matter).

I actually have a family friend who is the dean of a certain d-school's specialty program. He told me that the comparison of easier or not to get into specialty by comparing if they went to ivy or state is very low on their priority. However, they do see significantly more applicants from ivy schools compared to state schools.

I talked with my intern specialist (OMFS), he forgo ivy for loma linda, and well he got his omfs degree from ucla.

So Jimmy Choo, as much as graduating from harvard will look great to your patients, I think I'll go to state school than pay that price tag for the name. (and yes, I am very insecure about my intellectual ability so I laugh at not so smart people, and praise smart people. However I also want to try my chance at specialty and therefore I am going to a non-famous school).
 
Thanks everyone, I think I have made up my mind.

In the future, I hope this thread will be helpful to someone who may be in a similar situation as I was. I'd imagine t will also provide some entertainment value. :laugh:
 
Jimmy Choo said:
Thanks everyone, I think I have made up my mind.

In the future, I hope this thread will be helpful to someone who may be in a similar situation as I was. I'd imagine t will also provide some entertainment value. :laugh:
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This "jimmy choo" has no life if she needs to get her kicks from sdn...seriously...
 
armorshell said:
When you look at nothing but a ratio, there's so much information you're not considering. How many people apply to specialties from Harvard vs. University of X? How many of the students started dental school intending to specialize. You can't even factor out the fact that sites like this claim certain schools are better at "making" specialty students, which drives committed students (Who would specialize form any school) into these programs. It continues to stun me that students who've been to top universities, have amazing GPA's and boards scores, who've participated in and published original research, can look at a single number, a data-point, a correlation, and accept it as an end-all truth.

Research has shown that the actual school you attend may have little to do with how well you do in admissions, and the much more important factor is motivation to succeed. Levitt (of Freakonomics fame) did a study looking at high schoolers and college admission in a suburb were school assignment was done at random, where students had a chance to submit a petition to change schools. The group found that students who submitted applications to transfer to the "good" school, known for success in college admission, succeeded at statistically similar levels regardless of where they actually ended up going to school.

Argue all you want, it probably doesn't matter. ;)
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Ah, but you're wrong. What is stopping a large number of state school students from specializing is their class rank. Even if 100% of a state school's students wanted to specialize in ortho, there's no way they could. Only 10% would have a class rank in the top 10 percent. There's no way 33% of a state school's students could specialize in ortho like Harvard because the class rank of the students below 10-15% would hinder their application regardless of NDBE scores.

Class rank essentially limits the number of students in a particular dental school class from specializing, regardless of NDBE scores. As you go further and further down the class rank ladder, so does your chance at specializing. I wonder why dental schools rank the bottom half of the class. There's really no point, except perhaps to demoralize the "bottom feeders".
 
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Ah, but you're wrong. What is stopping a large number of state school students from specializing is their class rank. Even if 100% of a state school's students wanted to specialize in ortho, there's no way they could. Only 10% would have a class rank in the top 10 percent. There's no way 33% of a state school's students could specialize in ortho like Harvard because the class rank of the students below 10-15% would hinder their application regardless of NDBE scores.

Class rank essentially limits the number of students in a particular dental school class from specializing, regardless of NDBE scores. As you go further and further down the class rank ladder, so does your chance at specializing. I wonder why dental schools rank the bottom half of the class. There's really no point, except perhaps to demoralize the "bottom feeders".
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This assumes that a top 10% rank is necessary for specialty admissions, which is more SDN lore (It is a good guideline however). I've seen many people on SDN and from my school get into the "big" specialties with sub-top 10% ranks.

It's also hard to compare a class like Harvard's to a class like Pacific or NYU's using percentage comparisons. Maybe 33% of Harvard's class went into ortho, but what if I told you numerically that's the exact same number of people who got into ortho this year from Pacific. The percentage is smaller, but does that matter? It might if you made the assumption that all dental students want to go into ortho, but we know that's not true. You can't even safely assume all dental students want to specialize.

I'm not trying to detract from the success of students at these schools, and I'm not trying to build my school up as the "best" or anything of the sort. All I'm asking you pre-dents to do is to take a minute and think about this before you pull the trigger on hat dental school you're headed off to. Despite all the harshness, I applaud Jimmy Choo for doing just that, for questioning the "common knowledge" of this forum.
 
Cant wait til D School where I'll meet new friends and colleagues.... Not bitter rivals and A-holes who selfishly wont share or help other students for their own gain.

And as for the mediocrity of all us. Just remember.. 5%
 
Jimmy Choo said:
Thanks everyone, I think I have made up my mind.

In the future, I hope this thread will be helpful to someone who may be in a similar situation as I was. I'd imagine t will also provide some entertainment value. :laugh:
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Let me guess... Harvard
 
Keep this thread going, it's kept me through all week of class :(
 
fyi @ harvard: the ASDA rep from my class met some harvard students on a trip and they told her they had to do rectal exams as part of their training.
 
lemoncurry said:
fyi @ harvard: the ASDA rep from my class met some harvard students on a trip and they told her they had to do rectal exams as part of their training.
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ah man that ain't right lol
 
Some people are taking advantage of anonimity. Have to live with the fact. If some of you guys are not happy with whatever Jimmy posts, just don't post anything. What's the point of arguing online? It will never lead to any result, imho.

BTW, she raises a good point about "easier/less prestigious schools and higher rank" vs "harder/ more prestigious schools and average rank" when applying to specialize. I tried to come up with the answer but couldn't think of anything specific.
I would just say that if you have to make a choice between the above types of d schools - use personal judgement and don't look at stats.
 
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C-C-C-Combo Breaker!!![/quote]

Oh my gosh man.....ROFL.........:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I loved Killer Instinct, that was the best game ever made for SNES.......

Oh, and this post deserves to be in some sort of "top ten SDN post lists"; there is more flaming, condescending, and, ironically, thoughtful information here than so many other posts that I have read.
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anyone else thinks the OP is a liar? ( I am pretty sure that she is lying about herself ).
 
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I've always wondered what compelled someone to be convinced they'll be one of the top students in dental school. So many things factor into grading, among which are science grades, clinical grades (which includes the ability to wax, the ability to not accidentally break the wax-up last minute and receive an F, the ability to not nick the adjacent tooth 0.1mm away with the bur and receive an 80, and hell...the ability to recreate an identical textbook prep under pressure of taking an exam), and complete randomness, because we all know clinical grading is highly variable. You can do "well" and get a C, because the professor's ultra strict. Alternatively, you can do piss poor and get an A, because the professor was a bit tipsy and just didn't care.

Here, almost every student who scored 90+ on Part I have failed several exams in the process. You can go to these "easy" schools if you want. Just beware that those easy schools'll probably fail the hell outta you here and there.
 
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I've always wondered what compelled someone to be convinced they'll be one of the top students in dental school. So many things factor into grading, among which are science grades, clinical grades (which includes the ability to wax, the ability to not accidentally break the wax-up last minute and receive an F, the ability to not nick the adjacent tooth 0.1mm away with the bur and receive an 80, and hell...the ability to recreate an identical textbook prep under pressure of taking an exam), and complete randomness, because we all know clinical grading is highly variable. You can do "well" and get a C, because the professor's ultra strict. Alternatively, you can do piss poor and get an A, because the professor was a bit tipsy and just didn't care.

Here, almost every student who scored 90+ on Part I have failed several exams in the process. You can go to these "easy" schools if you want. Just beware that those easy schools'll probably fail the hell outta you here and there.
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Attitude is half the battle. Odds are the students at the top of the class are not surprised to be there rather they expect it.

In terms of "failing" thats part of the game, its easy to be great when everything goes your way. It takes character to fail and refuse to stay down.
 
achilles2 said:
Attitude is half the battle. Odds are the students at the top of the class are not surprised to be there rather they expect it.

In terms of "failing" thats part of the game, its easy to be great when everything goes your way. It takes character to fail and refuse to stay down.
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:thumbup::thumbup:2 thumbs up for that one:D
 
hellonurse said:
Jimmy choo=Miss tooth fairy? I think so.
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quite likely. Jimmy Choo has newly put a "Dartmouth BA, Harvard DMD" signature. Not very likely a girl who has caused herself this much of humiliation will suddenly out herself.

I say, Jimmy Choo=Miss tooth fairy, and they are both fake identities.
 
I honestly don't believe that Miss tooth fairy or Jimmy Choo got into the schools that they claim they did. I am a very hard working student and I know I would not anonymously post the awful things that they do because I am aware of the slim chance that someone could find out your identity. I highly doubt someone with acceptances into those schools would post accurate stats and then go on publicly bashing others. It is just unrealistic.
 
Upenn08 said:
quite likely. Jimmy Choo has newly put a "Dartmouth BA, Harvard DMD" signature. Not very likely a girl who has caused herself this much of humiliation will suddenly out herself.

I say, Jimmy Choo=Miss tooth fairy, and they are both fake identities.
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It's false... How many half asian half white girls that went to Dartmouth will be attending the small Harvard class this year. Everyone who reads this forum would know it's her. If she is real... its probably something like Cornell BA and Columbia DDS
 
Upenn08 said:
quite likely. Jimmy Choo has newly put a "Dartmouth BA, Harvard DMD" signature. Not very likely a girl who has caused herself this much of humiliation will suddenly out herself.

I say, Jimmy Choo=Miss tooth fairy, and they are both fake identities.
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Yeah with something like 35 seats at Harvard, how hard is it to figure out which one went to Dartmouth? It's highly unlikely and if there is one thing that we can rule out is that Jimmy Choo got into Harvard and went to Dartmouth. No one smart enough to get into Harvard would be ridiculous enough to post their undergrad.
 
nydds25 said:
It's false... How many half asian half white girls that went to Dartmouth will be attending the small Harvard class this year. Everyone who reads this forum would know it's her. If she is real... its probably something like Cornell BA and Columbia DDS
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I would guess she got an acceptance to a school that she or he does not want to go to. So she/he spends all their time on SDN bashing other students because they are miserable. Who knows Jimmy Choo may not even have applied yet.
 
So after Jimmy Choo gets sick of using this name, lets all try to remember to guess who she in reincarnated to. She/He will be easy to point out, they will of course be accepted to one of the top schools in the country, they will share more than enough information to give away their false identity, and constantly post degrading comments.
 
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