Goljan confused?!?

[oreo2004]

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I keep reading all these threads about people that used goljan and it helped. Very few people are specific as to which goljan resource they used. For those of you who found goljan very very helpful, which books/audios were the must haves for Step I (just like first aid is a must have)? And if anyone didn't find goljan helpful, can you share your opinion as to why?

 

[LadyWolverine]

I used RR Path and loved every second of it. It's a dense read, but worth doing cover-to-cover. Especially if you want that above-average score.

 

[BrisketAttack]

I was unable to read RR path cover to cover as many people do, and I still scored high. I think RR path is the single most important resource for step 1 (moreso than FA), but it's so difficult to read it all the way thru. I bounced back and forth between it and FA, while doing UW questions. this consumed ~90% of my study effort.

Point: RR path is key!

goljan audio is nice, but less useful than the book.

 

[Knicks]

^^ Question about using RR Path:

It seems to be in out-line form, so I'm guessing the best way a person would get the most out of such a book is to already have a solid path foundation, right?

Would it be a "useful" source for someone who didn't get a proper path foundation from his/her basic science path course?

Being that the book is in out-line format, I'm guessing that if there's a bullet-point you don't understand, you would [obviously] look that bit of info up, right? and that these types of "looking up of bullet-points" would be higher in frequency for someone with a poor path background. Would RR Path still be useful/helpful for such a person?


Because whenever I hear/read that RR Path is "key" or is "the best path source" for Step 1, I assume the people saying such things are those who already have a decent path fund.

 

[BrisketAttack]

^^ Question about using RR Path:

It seems to be in out-line form, so I'm guessing the best way a person would get the most out of such a book is to already have a solid path foundation, right?

Would it be a "useful" source for someone who didn't get a proper path foundation from his/her basic science path course?

Being that the book is in out-line format, I'm guessing that if there's a bullet-point you don't understand, you would [obviously] look that bit of info up, right.


Because whenever I hear/read that RR Path is "key" or is "the best path source" for Step 1, I assume the people saying such things are those who already have a decent path fund.

i used RR path as my sole source to learn path, outside of class lectures. actually is was like 98% RR path, and 2% robbins.

 

[diosa428]

i used RR path as my sole source to learn path, outside of class lectures. actually is was like 98% RR path, and 2% robbins.

But I think Knicks' point is that he does not have a solid background in path from class lectures. So it wouldn't be RR Path + class lectures, for him it would just be RR Path.

Knicks - you mentioned in another thread that you were using Kaplan. Do you feel that those books/lectures are giving you a good background in Path? I think that they are probably more complete (I also hate reading things in outline format). One idea would be to use the two in combination. You could either go through all of the Kaplan stuff and then review it in RR Path, or, a better idea might be to go through whatever Path chapter in Kaplan, and then go through the comparable chapter in RR Path, and make notes in RR Path to help yourself understand what's in there/look up stuff that you don't remember, to minimize your time studying. Unfortunately, in terms of complete resources (ie, not outline) your choices are not many unless you want to delve into textbooks (Robbins, which would take forever). You might be best off doing the Kaplan + RR Path combo.

 

[Knicks]

But I think Knicks' point is that he does not have a solid background in path from class lectures. So it wouldn't be RR Path + class lectures, for him it would just be RR Path.

Spot on.

Knicks - you mentioned in another thread that you were using Kaplan. Do you feel that those books/lectures are giving you a good background in Path? I think that they are probably more complete (I also hate reading things in outline format). One idea would be to use the two in combination. You could either go through all of the Kaplan stuff and then review it in RR Path, or, a better idea might be to go through whatever Path chapter in Kaplan, and then go through the comparable chapter in RR Path, and make notes in RR Path to help yourself understand what's in there/look up stuff that you don't remember, to minimize your time studying. Unfortunately, in terms of complete resources (ie, not outline) your choices are not many unless you want to delve into textbooks (Robbins, which would take forever). You might be best off doing the Kaplan + RR Path combo.

Hey, thanks for the reply:

The thing is, I'm actually avoiding the Kaplan Path book like the plague. Not only have I heard negative things about it, but I tried watching the path video lectures, and the guy SIMPLY READS from the book,,,, practically no elaboration.

I do have the BRS path book and also the RR path,,,,, I mean, I know SOME BASIC pathology, but probably not enough. That's why I asked my original question in this thread.


Thanks again for your response. 👍

 

[diosa428]

Spot on.



Hey, thanks for the reply:

The thing is, I'm actually avoiding the Kaplan Path book like the plague. Not only have I heard negative things about it, but I tried watching the path video lectures, and the guy SIMPLY READS from the book,,,, practically no elaboration.

I do have the BRS path book and also the RR path,,,,, I mean, I know SOME BASIC pathology, but probably not enough. That's why I asked my original question in this thread.


Thanks again for your response. 👍

I hadn't heard that about the Kaplan path; that's really unfortunate.

Perhaps you can get your hands on Goljan audio somehow? Hearing him explain the path stuff might help.

 

[UditNarayan]

when i studied for my path class, i solely used the scribe notes from class (a paid student service at my school). i abhor textbooks and never even opened robbins or any other books. naturally, following only class lectures will leave some holes in knowledge but not as much as you may think. i used RR path for all of my path and pathophys and in fact read the book cover to cover almost twice (didnt finish 1 or 2 chapters the second time around). i really liked the book, especially the way it was written. outline format forces me to make my own connections between the facts and i can remember things much better that way. the pictures, captions, and blue margin notes are really good and im glad i decided to spend so much of my time on this resource. i did not use any goljan audio, i felt that it just wouldnt work out for me as well. good luck!

 

[GMDMD]

I can't imagine getting the score I got without having read through Rapid Review. I suppose it's possible... but i wouldn't want to try it. I loved the extra insight into pathogenesis and pathophysiology that RR provides.

That being said, it's not for everyone. If you're having trouble digesting all of the material, I'd stay away as it's easy to get bogged down in the details. BRS Path is great for highlighting the highest yield material.

 

[peter90036]

"Goljan confused?!?"

> Goljan NEVER CONFUSED.

do not mess with the Goljan.​

 

[Instatewaiter]

I can't imagine getting the score I got without having read through Rapid Review. I suppose it's possible... but i wouldn't want to try it. I loved the extra insight into pathogenesis and pathophysiology that RR provides.

That being said, it's not for everyone. If you're having trouble digesting all of the material, I'd stay away as it's easy to get bogged down in the details. BRS Path is great for highlighting the highest yield material.

I felt like for people who dont have a solid foundation in path, they need RR pathology over BRS.

BRS has almost no pathophys, very little interpretation of lab data and few pictures. I thought BRS was bare bones so I switched to RR path.

 

[RunwayModel]

"Goljan confused?!?"

> Goljan NEVER CONFUSED.

do not mess with the Goljan.​

That's what I thought with the title of the thread too. I thought he was saying Goljan was confused.

Hell, no (taking off earrings and tying up hair ready to fight). LOL

 

[McMD]

Spot on.



Hey, thanks for the reply:

The thing is, I'm actually avoiding the Kaplan Path book like the plague. Not only have I heard negative things about it, but I tried watching the path video lectures, and the guy SIMPLY READS from the book,,,, practically no elaboration.

I do have the BRS path book and also the RR path,,,,, I mean, I know SOME BASIC pathology, but probably not enough. That's why I asked my original question in this thread.


Thanks again for your response. 👍

Which year books do you have? Dr. Barone wrote the book, I didn't read the book or watch the Kaplan lectures on the computer, but I did take the course (live lectures) and he was an AMAZING teacher (best teacher I've had my whole life!)....I guess I just wouldn't expect the book and video lectures to suck.

To the OP: So...I'm a bit neurotic I guess, plus I get really tired of one study-method. Sooo...I would read a chapter in RR path and then listen to the corresponding audio lecture while looking at Goljan's path slides so I could also see what he was referring to in the pictures he talks about. It is alot of time, however, it definitely helped...for one, it's like reading the book twice, plus it's not as mundane as reading all the time.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Goljan is never confused, how dare you.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Which year books do you have? Dr. Barone wrote the book, I didn't read the book or watch the Kaplan lectures on the computer, but I did take the course (live lectures) and he was an AMAZING teacher (best teacher I've had my whole life!)....I guess I just wouldn't expect the book and video lectures to suck.

To the OP: So...I'm a bit neurotic I guess, plus I get really tired of one study-method. Sooo...I would read a chapter in RR path and then listen to the corresponding audio lecture while looking at Goljan's path slides so I could also see what he was referring to in the pictures he talks about. It is alot of time, however, it definitely helped...for one, it's like reading the book twice, plus it's not as mundane as reading all the time.

Yeah the kaplan pathology lectures rock. Barone's greasy hair and fake grin make pathology awesome.

 

[Knicks]

Which year books do you have? Dr. Barone wrote the book, I didn't read the book or watch the Kaplan lectures on the computer, but I did take the course (live lectures) and he was an AMAZING teacher (best teacher I've had my whole life!)....I guess I just wouldn't expect the book and video lectures to suck...........

I have the 2006-2007 Kaplan books (7 series).

However, I borrowed my friend's Kaplan video lecture DVDs which are from circa 2000-2003.

 

[phase12007]

I had Dr. Goljan live, his week lecture was intense. And because I have a poor foundation it was hard for me to keep up, even if he made everything feel so clear at the moment. He puts things together in away, that even if your lost, it makes sense. But he was live.

I now read the books after my live experience, and things make more sense, but remember I had a poor background, so it took me a while to catch on to things. Its a book to go over several times, because everytime you go over it, you learn.

I think Goljan is a great teacher.

I did have a friend as well, that took the course with Dr. Barone. He said, he was great LIVE. That he was great, I found that hard to believe, because everyone mentions Dr. Goljan as the best. To my experience that is true, but it does not mean others dont have the same capabilities to be as good. He may as well known, but he maybe as great.(I havent had him, therefore I cannot comment)

Be opened minded, if you want to search for what is best for you.

Good Luck in your studies.

 

[jey2283]

I keep reading all these threads about people that used goljan and it helped. Very few people are specific as to which goljan resource they used. For those of you who found goljan very very helpful, which books/audios were the must haves for Step I (just like first aid is a must have)? And if anyone didn't find goljan helpful, can you share your opinion as to why?

If you have time read the Rapid Review Pathology (Goljan). (its over kill). DO IT. If you are short of time, skim it and read his 100 page high yield. Everything in the audio is the book.

 

[kalyanova]

Here is what i am doing as I did not have a solid pathology foundation to tackle the exam.
I do use Goljan.. however we should be aware that there are different pathology books from goljan.
Those people with the right background could do well with the RR path only.. however when I first cracked the book open .. I felt that I could not appreciate the book to its fullest as it is written in an outline format. I wanted to know the whys.. and hows.. which I felt my school did not teach.

so i got my hands on a different book from goljan : STARS pathology - Saunders Text And Review Series. This book is a large book and contains about 518 pages. Goljan explains everything in minute details.. sure it may be an overkill for some.. but hey.. reading this book and adding notes to the RR-path make it the best combination I could get.
I get all the pathophysiolgy.. mechanisms ..that are not given in RR-path and even the audios! and even in robbins..

I d say his audio tapes are an outline of that pathology STARS.

The STARS pathology is a hard book to get as it is not being published anymore..
if you saw my RR-path book.. it is full of notes from pathology stars and audio.. and thick..
this was time consuming to do..but i hope that it will help me for my last minute reviews..

 

[Knicks]

Here is what i am doing as I did not have a solid pathology foundation to tackle the exam.
I do use Goljan.. however we should be aware that there are different pathology books from goljan.
Those people with the right background could do well with the RR path only.. however when I first cracked the book open .. I felt that I could not appreciate the book to its fullest as it is written in an outline format. I wanted to know the whys.. and hows.. which I felt my school did not teach............

I'm in the SAME boat. 🙁


Since that STARS book is probably hard to get ahold of, does anyone have any other recommendations?

I mean, MANY people RAVE about Goljan's RR + audio, but as stated, it may not be as helpful to a person with a poor path background.

 

[ZonaRidicularis]

z

 

[Knicks]

^^ No, I haven't tried RR yet,,,, I'll take your advice into consideration though,

Thanks. 🙂

 

[ZonaRidicularis]

z

 

[Knicks]

^^ Cool thanks, yeah I knew about that list 🙂

Hopefully RR path will be helpful for someone like me.