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Who Gets the GOP Nomination?

  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 42 89.4%

  • Rick Santorum

    Votes: 3 6.4%

  • Newt Gingrinch

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Total voters
    47
So we are down to 3 potentional candidates for the GOP nomination. Will Rick Santorum end up beating Mitt Romney and face Obama in the November General Election?

I can only hope my State of Florida goes with Romney; however, I think the conservative base may go with Santorum.

A Santorum win in Florida and this will go on to the late Spring.
 
Where is Ron Paul?
 
urge said:
Where is Ron Paul?
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He is done. No chance to win the nomination. He will be around for several more months but he has ZERO CHANCE of getting the GOP nomination.

Realistically, you now have 3 choices (I think Newt is done as well). Will it be Santorum or Romney?

Will you vote for Romney or Obama come this November?
 
I'd vote for Ron Paul lickidy split. I think Newt is a turd.
 
I'd faster vote for Gary Johnson than any one of the candidates you have listed in your poll. Honestly though, I'm so tired of the mainstream kool-aid drinking pseudo-repubs ignoring Ron Paul. For sucking so hard on the media's teat, I am not going to humor any of these choices....With all due respect, of course.
 
BLADEMDA said:
Who will win the GOP nomination?
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RON PAUL, RON PAUL, RON PAUL!

I say vote who you want to win - don't vote for who you think might win. I don't like the argument that people often use that you are "throwing away" your vote when you pick someone who probably won't win.

Do what is right. And what is right - is a vote for Ron Paul! Yahoooooo!!!!
 
sevoflurane said:
Blade... why don't you put Ron Paul on your ballot and see what happens.
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Because he cannot copy and paste stuff about him since mainstream media does not want him to win.

sevoflurane said:
It is my opinion that Santorum is ultra conservative. Too much so for a progressive country like the US of A.
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Has anyone looked up santorum on urban dictionary? Have fun!
 
epidural man said:
RON PAUL, RON PAUL, RON PAUL!

I say vote who you want to win - don't vote for who you think might win. I don't like the argument that people often use that you are "throwing away" your vote when you pick someone who probably won't win.

Do what is right. And what is right - is a vote for Ron Paul! Yahoooooo!!!!
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The race is over folks. Santorum has spent almost his entire campaign in Iowa and still came in second. Romney came in first. Romney is dominating in NH polls. Santorum is an afterthought everywhere else, and everyone will soon realize it.

Did you see how fast Newt peaked? Newt didn't even make any huge gaffes or screw-ups. Romney has deep, deep pockets and friends with deeper pockets. Romney and his friends saw Newt was a threat and neutralized him with blanket TV ads. Romney knows Santorum and Paul aren't real threats, so he lets the media play like they are. This way Romney stays out of the media spotlight and has a bit more leeway to make a screw-up here or there.

+1 to Blade. Paul is too extreme. Not for this board, obviously, but for America. Leave Iran alone? Dismantle SS and Medicare? Americans have always been suspicious of big government. So, yeah, people are gung-ho when he says we need to abolish the Federal Reserve and lower taxes. But when it gets down to nuts and bolts, people like free school, nice highways, Social Security, and Medicare. Paul would be slaughtered in a general election.

PS: Don't yell at me that none of this stuff is actually free. I know that. Our taxes pay for them. But the general voter doesn't see it that way.
 
BLADEMDA said:
Will you vote for Romney or Obama come this November?
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I would vote for Obummer. Flip flop Rom and Bombs Away Obama is the same thing. At least I get the pleasure of watching chicken little republicans screech for another 4 yrs.
 
BLADEMDA said:
He is done. No chance to win the nomination. He will be around for several more months but he has ZERO CHANCE of getting the GOP nomination.
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Whatever Ron Paul's chances are, Newt's are less.
 
urge said:
I would vote for Obummer. Flip flop Rom and Bombs Away Obama is the same thing. At least I get the pleasure of watching chicken little republicans screech for another 4 yrs.
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Do you think Obama and Romney would appoint similar judges?

Do you think those differences matter?


I agree with much of what Ron Paul says, and I admire his consistency, but there's a bit of crazy there that I'm reluctant get behind. Gingrich has baggage that would be easily exploited, but so does Paul. I think Paul would get crushed by Obama, short of some kind of economic catastrophe this year that could convince people his drastic changes are the right thing to do.

Maybe it'd be nice to see Paul as a VP candidate, but he'll never be asked, and he'd never change his positions to get in line with the presidential candidate's platform.


Romney has run a good campaign so far. He's managed to hang in the background while the kooky competitors self destructed. That's actually sort of encouraging to me; it suggests he's sane.
 
Romney remains the man. We just need the evangelicals to get over the Mormon thing. Next November is going to be rough. I predict 1% margin of victory.
 
urge said:
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Try flipper
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This is my only fear with Romney. Hope he has some answers for the flip flop charges. Obama's team is going to run these clips from june to november guaranteed. Romney's best shot is to pre-empt and start explaining even before it starts. If not, he might face a free fall down the stretch. My comment on him being the man is simply a function of choosing the best of the worst at this point. GOP still has a big chance of winning IMO.
 
urge said:
He even flip flops on flip flopping!

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He is evolving. Better for him to focus on what he IS now and not what he did or said in the past. He also needs to stay the hell away from any healthcare reform discussions. I have seen him flirt with the discussion a couple times and it made me cringe. Reality for us is that we hope the the election is a referendum on Obama, and we hope he looses based on his record. As far as Romney going out there and beating Obama, not going to happen. He just has to stick around, and pick up the presidency when Obama falls. Basically the GOP will play the role of scavenger, and we have ourselves to blame for being in this predicament. We have spent the last few years celebrating unintelligent politicians (Palin, Perry, Cain, Bachman, etc), which forced the intelligent ones out of the pack.
 
In about 30 days (60 at most) Mitt Romney will have the GOP nomination all locked up.

South Carolina then Florida at the end of this month. If Mitt finishes first it's over.

Obama vs. Romney.
 
It's gonna be Romney despite his flip flopping and Mormon values.

He's the only one that can (and probably will) be able to beat Obama.
His business background will be enough to rally our country as it's in the crapper...fixin the economy is #1.

He has my vote.
CJ
 
Rom's Bain past is REALLY starting to come back and haunt him, especially if he keeps gaffing with phrases about firing people. MSNBC is already starting to sharpen their knives against Romney by inviting ex-employees of Bain's acquisitions and running clips about Bain over and over. If Mitt is the nominee, which is looking likely, I think he'll lose in a not-so-close race to Obama.
 
epidural man said:
Wish it were Huntsman.

I like Ron Paul too, but then I saw a bunch of Huntsman clips. He speaks Chinese - holy crap! Let's elect that guy.

You don't think China is an issue?
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When Huntsman was asked to speak Chinese, the results weren't pretty.

Like the link says, "Americans claim to “speak” Chinese no matter how few words they understand, while Chinese claim to be unable to speak English no matter how many words they understand." The comments say that his Chinese is fine (mostly), so I figure the balance is somewhere in the middle, but the biggest thing is that he doesn't say more than a few words, whereas I can talk in Spanish for about 30 minutes and French indefinitely without repeating myself. My point with that is that, if he only can say 3 sentences, how functional is that?
 
BLADEMDA said:
He is done. No chance to win the nomination. He will be around for several more months but he has ZERO CHANCE of getting the GOP nomination.

Realistically, you now have 3 choices (I think Newt is done as well). Will it be Santorum or Romney?

Will you vote for Romney or Obama come this November?
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He may not be done. This was in 2008. I imagine the story this time around is the same.

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Why is Jon Huntsman not doing better in NH? From the stand point of electability and getting the Independent vote the GOP needs Romney or Huntsman. Ron Paul while solid on the budget is too extreme to win the general election.
 
Apollyon said:
When Huntsman was asked to speak Chinese, the results weren't pretty.

Like the link says, "Americans claim to "speak" Chinese no matter how few words they understand, while Chinese claim to be unable to speak English no matter how many words they understand." The comments say that his Chinese is fine (mostly), so I figure the balance is somewhere in the middle, but the biggest thing is that he doesn't say more than a few words, whereas I can talk in Spanish for about 30 minutes and French indefinitely without repeating myself. My point with that is that, if he only can say 3 sentences, how functional is that?
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Trust me when I say his Chinese is more than good enough to claim he's fluent. The Slate article was unreasonable in its nitpicking. Obviously, his grammar isn't perfect and if you break down every word he says, you can find better alternatives, but every Chinese would understand unequivocally everything he says and would most likely be very impressed. Don't get me wrong, he's not good enough to be negotiate treaties or other issues with the Chinese, but for the sake of an American claiming they know Chinese, he passes the test.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IQr9kMHdU8[/youtube]
 
bronx43 said:
but every Chinese would understand unequivocally everything he says and would most likely be very impressed.
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Hyperbole much? Even the Chinese don't understand each other, and that is by a wide margin. "Every Chinese" - in Hong Kong? Singapore? Tahiti? NYC? Shanghai (MAYBE)? And, even notwithstanding pronunciation, really - "unequivocally"? Are you a Chinese speaker? I know, like, 10 words of Mandarin, and I would tell the Chinese patients that I cannot do medical Chinese. My Korean pronunciation is even better, and I know even less of that. Japanese? I can count to ten and say "my telephone" (watashi no denwa), mostly because I recall telephone in Mandarin to be "dian hua". If his word order was off, that would be "clearly, without error" understood? What if a person said in English the following: "I win almost every time". What if they meant "I almost win every time"?

I get a kick out of the YouTube vids of Sandra Bullock speaking German and Mila Kunis speaking Russian (although for Kunis it's because Russian was first for her, and English came later). I saw it on TV (but can't find it online) about Gov. Huntsman saying something, and it was translated as "you won't understand me" (but was referenced in the Slate article). Huh? Vous ne pouvez pas comprendre ce que je dis? Tu no puede comprendar de que yo hablo? That's kind of a recursively dumb statement.

Speaking some of a language is one thing. Fluency, though, is a much, much higher bar, which any linguist will tell you.
 
Apollyon said:
Hyperbole much? Even the Chinese don't understand each other, and that is by a wide margin. "Every Chinese" - in Hong Kong? Singapore? Tahiti? NYC? Shanghai (MAYBE)? And, even notwithstanding pronunciation, really - "unequivocally"? Are you a Chinese speaker? I know, like, 10 words of Mandarin, and I would tell the Chinese patients that I cannot do medical Chinese. My Korean pronunciation is even better, and I know even less of that. Japanese? I can count to ten and say "my telephone" (watashi no denwa), mostly because I recall telephone in Mandarin to be "dian hua". If his word order was off, that would be "clearly, without error" understood? What if a person said in English the following: "I win almost every time". What if they meant "I almost win every time"?

I get a kick out of the YouTube vids of Sandra Bullock speaking German and Mila Kunis speaking Russian (although for Kunis it's because Russian was first for her, and English came later). I saw it on TV (but can't find it online) about Gov. Huntsman saying something, and it was translated as "you won't understand me" (but was referenced in the Slate article). Huh? Vous ne pouvez pas comprendre ce que je dis? Tu no puede comprendar de que yo hablo? That's kind of a recursively dumb statement.

Speaking some of a language is one thing. Fluency, though, is a much, much higher bar, which any linguist will tell you.
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GOP voters could give a rat's arse what foreign language he speaks as long as his English is sound and his views are Conservative.

Too bad Chris Christie decided not to run; now we get Romney or ??
 
BLADEMDA said:
GOP voters could give a rat's arse what foreign language he speaks as long as his English is sound and his views are Conservative.

Too bad Chris Christie decided not to run; now we get Romney or ??
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I wonder if speaking another language might be a detractor to some really conservative voters? It was NOT emphasized that GWB spoke Spanish.
 
Apollyon said:
Hyperbole much? Even the Chinese don't understand each other, and that is by a wide margin. "Every Chinese" - in Hong Kong? Singapore? Tahiti? NYC? Shanghai (MAYBE)? And, even notwithstanding pronunciation, really - "unequivocally"? Are you a Chinese speaker? I know, like, 10 words of Mandarin, and I would tell the Chinese patients that I cannot do medical Chinese. My Korean pronunciation is even better, and I know even less of that. Japanese? I can count to ten and say "my telephone" (watashi no denwa), mostly because I recall telephone in Mandarin to be "dian hua". If his word order was off, that would be "clearly, without error" understood? What if a person said in English the following: "I win almost every time". What if they meant "I almost win every time"?

I get a kick out of the YouTube vids of Sandra Bullock speaking German and Mila Kunis speaking Russian (although for Kunis it's because Russian was first for her, and English came later). I saw it on TV (but can't find it online) about Gov. Huntsman saying something, and it was translated as "you won't understand me" (but was referenced in the Slate article). Huh? Vous ne pouvez pas comprendre ce que je dis? Tu no puede comprendar de que yo hablo? That's kind of a recursively dumb statement.

Speaking some of a language is one thing. Fluency, though, is a much, much higher bar, which any linguist will tell you.
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What? I obviously meant every Chinese person that understands Mandarin, which is the official dialect. That's what schools are supposed to teach, and that's what is used on national television and almost every form of media (with the exception of some Cantonese films and music.) And even if a Chinese person doesn't understand Mandarin, they would know what Huntsman is talking about if it was written down, given that the person actually knows Chinese.

I am a Chinese speaker. I was born there, spent my childhood there, and continued Chinese studies in the US. You need to first define "fluent" if you are going to classify people as such. I consider myself fluent, as if I were to speak to a native in China, he/she would think that I am a native as well. However, there are some words and phrases that aren't used in everyday speech that I would not be familiar with. And once in awhile, I would use grammar or terminology that is slightly off (it's incredibly hard to maintain one's Chinese without daily use). And if you took a snippet of some of the mistakes that I make and using the same criteria as used on Huntsman, you can theoretically call me not fluent as well. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that Huntsman's Chinese is comparable to mine at all. But, for me, fluency is a rather subjective classification. If you are able to communicate almost all or most of your ideas to another person in a relatively smooth manner, then I would consider you fluent. Huntsman's statement on the Colbert Report was "wo3 hen3 xiang3 ni3 zuo4 wo3 de fu4 mei3 guo2 zong3 tong3." While it would be better if it was "wo3 hen3 xiang3 yao4 ni3 zuo4 wo3 de mei3 guo2 fu4 zong3 tong3," there's no way in hell any Mandarin speaker (or Chinese person seeing it written down) would not understand him.

That video that I posted basically confirmed to me that his Chinese is far better than just him knowing how to say a few things. Whether or not it's technically fluency... I don't know. But, his Chinese is definitely good enough for him to converse quite well with a Chinese person about most things. As far as the functionality of this, it's essentially useless. It may suggest to China that our president may be more friendly towards it, but even then, I doubt it would have any practical uses.
 
bronx43 said:
If you are able to communicate almost all or most of your ideas to another person in a relatively smooth manner, then I would consider you fluent.
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A linguistic definition is "an ability to converse fluidly and easily". That includes an ability to express abstract thoughts.

People think I am a fluent Spanish speaker, because I can talk, as I said, for half an hour, and, although my accent is "muy Americano", my grammar is excellent (and better than that which most patients I've seen in the ED have ever heard, considering the majority dropped out of school in 3rd or 4th grade). I'm not. I can't watch TV, I can't read the newspaper, I can't hear differences in accents, and there are many things I cannot describe. I CAN consent someone in Spanish, but that was by rote.

Language ability is on a spectrum. With the same evidence, I am not willing to give Gov. Huntsman a glowing pass for fluency.

At the same time, indeed, unless one is running in south Manhattan or in SF, it's not really relevant.

Finally, clearly, it was not obvious that you meant "every Chinese person that understands Mandarin" - clearly, it appeared to be the opposite. If you said "every American would understand unequivocally everything he says", that would be in the same vein without a qualifier.

Actually, finally, people ask me how many languages I speak. I say, "I am fluent in English!", and some folks, after a beat, get a chuckle out of that, thinking of people who are not fluent in their mother (or only) language. That goes to the politics - give the people what they want. If your language is lofty and inaccessible, people won't like it, dontcha know? You betcha!
 
Ron Paul all the way baby! He's the only one not bought and paid for, the only one who understands or even pays attention to the constitution, and the only one who understands markets and how economies work.
 
bigeyedfish said:
Ron Paul all the way baby! He's the only one not bought and paid for, the only one who understands or even pays attention to the constitution, and the only one who understands markets and how economies work.
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It will be Romney vs Obama. Ron Paul came in second again. Ron Paul has a large following but at this point the only role Paul can play Is spoiler
 
BLADEMDA said:
It will be Romney vs Obama. Ron Paul came in second again. Ron Paul has a large following but at this point the only role Paul can play Is spoiler
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Blade, the last 3 presidential election winners happened to have come in second place in the New Hampshire Primaries.
 
ArMed said:
Blade, the last 3 presidential election winners happened to have come in second place in the New Hampshire Primaries.
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Blade would have a heart attack if Ron Paul became president.
 
urge said:
Blade would have a heart attack if Ron Paul became president.
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Blade doesn't need to worry about his heart then, does he? 😉

No Republican non-incumbent has ever won both Iowa and New Hampshire. This dog and pony show is over, folks.
 
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