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So, Senator Mikulski says we are nation governed by the rule of law. Then, explain how the president has the authority to "delay implementation of the ACA" without Congressional approval?

Why is it Obama can give ACA waivers to businesses but the GOP can't get Mikulski to give the ordinary citizen the same waiver?

It's quite clear the press allows President Obama to break the rule of law with impunity while punishing the GOP for demanding those same privileges for the ordinary citizen.

The way I see it the Democratic Party owns the ACA/Obamacare so level the playing field for everyone including big business and move forward with the law.

The hypocrisy on the Hill is astounding and the statement by Senator Mikulski is proof.
 
There is no question -- we are financially crippled today by such massive social redistribution programs as Social Security, Medicare, and our growing web of federal welfare schemes. But that doesn't matter. These entitlements are virtually untouchable by legislators today or tomorrow. Because history shows that once people start collecting benefits from the government, they want to keep collecting benefits from the government. Who's paying for the benefits, and how much they are paying at any given time after an entitlement becomes an expectation, is irrelevant.



The coerced redistribution of wealth as government charity becomes the norm, however grossly antithetical that idea is to that archaic concept known as "liberty."


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The point of my previous posts was to show that the ACA/ObamaCare is being illegally altered by President Obama; the rule of law is being violated.

The GOP should demand the entire ACA be implemented as signed into law by President Obama; or, grant the individual citizen the same waiver as big business.
 
I never thought I'd see the day where the GOP is arguing for keeping the government. I figured the Tea Party and GOP would be celebrating right now, but they love government just as much as Democrats.
 
TexasDoc2388 said:
I never thought I'd see the day where the GOP is arguing for keeping the government. I figured the Tea Party and GOP would be celebrating right now, but they love government just as much as Democrats.
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We need the Federal government. That said, we need a SMALLER Federal government which lives within its means. Please don't confuse the need for a functioning Federal government with the ever increasing expansion of Federal authority in our daily lives.
 
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BLADEMDA said:
The point of my previous posts was to show that the ACA/ObamaCare is being illegally altered by President Obama; the rule of law is being violated.

The GOP should demand the entire ACA be implemented as signed into law by President Obama; or, grant the individual citizen the same waiver as big business.
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GOP is a divided party. It's the super conservatives running the show. The Cruz of the world don't want to compromise.

But let's be serious. Both Repubs and Dems still look out for each other in terms of protecting their own interest. That's why Repub haven't passed a rider that gets rid of congressional exemptions and puts all congress people and their staff on the federal exchange with no subsidies for over 400% of poverty. They in essence would be hurting themselves.
 
aneftp said:
GOP is a divided party. It's the super conservatives running the show. The Cruz of the world don't want to compromise.

But let's be serious. Both Repubs and Dems still look out for each other in terms of protecting their own interest. That's why Repub haven't passed a rider that gets rid of congressional exemptions and puts all congress people and their staff on the federal exchange with no subsidies for over 400% of poverty. They in essence would be hurting themselves.
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The House sent over a funding bill (CR) which requested that Individuals be granted a one year waiver from the ACA individual mandate and the Congressional exemptions be abolished.

I think their last offer was very reasonable and not extreme at all.


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/house-senate-government-shutdown-97557.html
 
BLADEMDA said:
The House sent over a funding bill (CR) which requested that Individuals be granted a one year waiver from the ACA individual mandate and the Congressional exemptions be abolished.

I think their last offer was very reasonable and not extreme at all.


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/house-senate-government-shutdown-97557.html
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I think they would have gotten more support and generated real discussion if they had pushed for some plan to pay for Maobama care as part of the CR than trying to defund it.
It's happening. Deal with it, and manage the cost/ damage.
It would have been a conservative "us" vs liberal free spending "them".
Now they just look like a bunch of buffoons and will have to cave in anyway. There's no positive spin for the Reps, only negativity and division.
And they'll get spanked at election time.
All hail Hillary, the next Supreme Leader of the People.
Viva la Revoluciòn!
 
Regardless of where you stand on the issue I think it is exciting to witness history in the making.
This is the beginning of an inevitable change in my opinion.
The future is likely going to be a better health care system for all Americans, but the road to that future is not going to be easy.
 
planktonmd said:
regardless of where you stand on the issue i think it is exciting to witness history in the making.
This is the beginning of an inevitable change in my opinion.
The future is likely going to be a better health care system for all americans, but the road to that future is not going to be easy.
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+1
 
Planktonmd said:
Regardless of where you stand on the issue I think it is exciting to witness history in the making.
This is the beginning of an inevitable change in my opinion.
The future is likely going to be a better health care system for all Americans, but the road to that future is not going to be easy.
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Really? It looks like a bunch of politicians grandstanding and the media making the shutdown of the federal government seem like black Tuesday. It's a circus. Nothing will change because its the same garbage in garbage out. The day we see a third party or an actual consequence of borrowing against the future is the day history will happen. This is more like watching two cats wearing sweaters attack each other.
 
Planktonmd said:
Regardless of where you stand on the issue I think it is exciting to witness history in the making.
This is the beginning of an inevitable change in my opinion.
The future is likely going to be a better health care system for all Americans, but the road to that future is not going to be easy.
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It's a better future. But healthcare providers will get screwed for the next 5-10 years with continuing decline in work hours vs pay.

The public (especially the liberal public) simply does not understand the real cost savings in socialized medicine countries is obtained through a reduction in medical care. In the UK, NHS only approved 400 penile implants per year.

In the USA most local health systems do more than 400 implants themselves. Imagine telling an American diabetic man the USA health system won't approve it.

In countries like Holland the percentage of women getting epidurals is less than 50%. In the USA it's close to 80-85% epidurals for labor pain. Imagine cutting cost and telling American women to "tough it out".

And last we all know the bloated costs. It's not the health providers yet 700 billion Medicare cuts are really through reduction in fees paid to providers. The ACA is picking the wrong solution to affordable care.
 
aneftp said:
In countries like Holland the percentage of women getting epidurals is less than 50%. In the USA it's close to 80-85% epidurals for labor pain. Imagine cutting cost and telling American women to "tough it out".
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Curious, is that an availability/cost issue, or a cultural issue?
 
pgg said:
Curious, is that an availability/cost issue, or a cultural issue?
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Definitely cultural. Women in other countries are taught to "tough it out" with labor.

That's why other countries should not impose their will on the US health system. You can't change American cultural. Americans aren't used to wait months for colonscopies. They aren't used to waiting more than 30-1 hour max for their anesthesiologists.
 
I've not seen a single post responding to my comment that Obama illegally issued waivers to his beloved ACA. Why can the democrats delay any portion of the ACA they see fit for a year but the GOP can't request a delay in the individual mandate? Why hasn't the media pointed out all these Obama waivers are likely unconstitutional in nature?

The GOP should have passed a CR denying all waivers and mandating the ACA be implemented immediately as decreed by law.
 
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BLADEMDA said:
I've not seen a single post responding to my comment that Obama illegally issued waivers to his beloved ACA. Why can the democrats delay any portion of the ACA they see fit for a year but the GOP can't request a delay in the individual mandate? Why hasn't the media pointed out all these Obama waivers are likely unconstitutional in nature?

The GOP should have passed a CR denying all waivers and mandating the ACA be implemented immediately as decreed by law.
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Blade, I've stated before both Republicans and Democrats share one thing in common. They don't want to hurt this own perks. It's just the plain truth. There was legislation stuck in the House saying all House and Senate Members salaries be frozen if a shutdown happen. Those types of bills die before coming to a vote.

There are Senate and House laws and there are laws for the common people.

As to the waiver issue. It's simple. The vast majority of the waivers applied to major campaign contributors of BOTH political parties. It's a non starter. The Republicans aren't going to force the employer mandate for many business that support their cause. That's why they didn't even propose a all or non bill. They never sent a bill forcing all of the ACA laws as originally signed to be enforced. Because that would piss off their campaign contributors.

In the end, it's always about the money. The campaign money.
 
Its not only about campaign money... it's about liberal zombie voters wanting to devour other peoples wealth.
 
Hooooooo Boy!

Let's see how long this lasts. :corny:
 
yappy said:
Its not only about campaign money... it's about liberal zombie voters wanting to devour other peoples wealth.
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It would be a tragedy if they stopped delivering junk mail to the house where I lived 18 years ago. Oh the humanity. Please don't stop the mail.

Thank goodness military funding won't be interrupted so we can continue to defend wealthy allies from the threats of the mid-20th century.

And what if the nsa and tsa aren't able to violate our civil rights. Who's going to violate my civil rights if they get shut down?

What's a politician-turned lobbiest to do if there is no one at work to bribe?

This government shut-down could be just terrible if it spreads. The majority of what the feds do is so so valuable.
 
GypsySongman said:
It would be a tragedy if they stopped delivering junk mail to the house where I lived 18 years ago. Oh the humanity. Please don't stop the mail.

Thank goodness military funding won't be interrupted so we can continue to defend wealthy allies from the threats of the mid-20th century.

And what if the nsa and tsa aren't able to violate our civil rights. Who's going to violate my civil rights if they get shut down?

What's a politician-turned lobbiest to do if there is no one at work to bribe?

This government shut-down could be just terrible if it spreads. The majority of what the feds do is so so valuable.
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Not exactly true!
 
BLADEMDA said:
I've not seen a single post responding to my comment that Obama illegally issued waivers to his beloved ACA. Why can the democrats delay any portion of the ACA they see fit for a year but the GOP can't request a delay in the individual mandate? Why hasn't the media pointed out all these Obama waivers are likely unconstitutional in nature?

The GOP should have passed a CR denying all waivers and mandating the ACA be implemented immediately as decreed by law.
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This was a response I got on facebook from an Obama voter- he said the employer mandate makes a lot less of an impact than the individual mandate would. He linked me to some article from the urban institute. My generation is lost.
 
From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage


Alexander Fraser Tytler




A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
 
BLADEMDA said:
From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage


Alexander Fraser Tytler




A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
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“The evolution of life on earth, or of human society, is a unique historical process… Its description, however, is not a law, but only a singular historical statement.” Karl Popper
 
Well the media is doing a thorough job crucifying Boehner while conveniently ignoring other things, like why the feds paid people to close open air monuments or how the Democrat senate is saying 'no' as well.

I wish I could say I admire Boehner for his conviction but I'm afraid it's part of a political gamble he is making to further/secure his career. If only we had a true revolutionary to dismantle this two party debacle.
 
Blade in response to your post about democracy. Looking through out the history of civilization and governments ,democracy is the rarest of all forms of government. For most of the history of the world people have been under the ruler of a dictator. Btw love how my insurance as a resident just went up. Thanks Barry you f'ing scumbag.
 
Obama approval has gone from 46% to 52% since this stupid tea party stunt started. Democrats lead GOP by +9% in generic congressional ballots. Hillary Clinton now leads all GOP candidates by double digits. Any GOP member who thinks this was smart politics is a special kind of delusional.

No one is talking about Obama Scandal, or his weak foreign policy. All we are talking about is psycho Ted Cruz and the Tea party. If you are Obama why would you not want this to continue? Now majority of Americans think we should raise the debt limit which is 180 degrees from last week.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...a_administration/obama_approval_index_history

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institute...titute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1959

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institute...titute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1958

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/politics/cnn-poll-debt-ceiling/index.html
 
BLADEMDA said:
From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage


Alexander Fraser Tytler




A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
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Beautiful. 👍
 
BLADEMDA said:
From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage


Alexander Fraser Tytler




A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
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It sounds true. Not sure that it is true. Certainly hope that it isn't. The time is ripe for a third party-throw the bums out movement. You keep pounding the table for the Ron Paul types, he is not my cup of tea, but an alternative to the status quo is certainly possible. Take a look at how many governments have fallen in Europe in this century.
 
BLADEMDA said:
From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage


Alexander Fraser Tytler




A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
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What gifts have you voted for? Are you a part owner and have voted for generous fiscal policy toward your partnership?
 
Pooh & Annie said:
What gifts have you voted for? Are you a part owner and have voted for generous fiscal policy toward your partnership?
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Touche.

My votes and my beliefs have to some extent followed my interests.



"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

― Upton Sinclair
 
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Pooh & Annie said:
What gifts have you voted for? Are you a part owner and have voted for generous fiscal policy toward your partnership?
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Gifts? A business has nothing to do with free stuff. It has to do with working hard and balancing expenses. . If an employee doesn't like the terms of his/her employment then that person should seek employment elsewhere.

I vote for politicians who believe in capitalism and less government.
 
BLADEMDA said:
Gifts? A business has nothing to do with free stuff. It has to do with working hard and balancing expenses. . If an employee doesn't like the terms of his/her employment then that person should seek employment elsewhere.

I vote for politicians who believe in capitalism and less government.
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If you don't vote for gifts, then why would you put up a post about how when political gifts are available, that's what people will vote for? Are you a little more evolved than the rest of us? You're able to vote on philosophy and not out of greed? I guess it's just the stupid commoners that want gifts. If that's your point, that is a ridiculously elitist stance.

Our defenitions of "gifts" differ only semantically. If you think businesses, without checks and balances, aren't willing to "gift" themselves through various means at the expense of the rest of us, then you need to study some history.
 
Pooh & Annie said:
If you don't vote for gifts, then why would you put up a post about how when political gifts are available, that's what people will vote for? Are you a little more evolved than the rest of us? You're able to vote on philosophy and not out of greed? I guess it's just the stupid commoners that want gifts. If that's your point, that is a ridiculously elitist stance.

Our defenitions of "gifts" differ only semantically. If you think businesses, without checks and balances, aren't willing to "gift" themselves through various means at the expense of the rest of us, then you need to study some history.
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I'm well aware of personal greed at all levels of society. My personal philosophy is that less government is better government.

The vast majority of the population are ignorant as they re-elected Obama. The masses have decided that increased social welfare, government programs and Obamacare are all
desirable aspect of government. The vast majority receive government entitlements or are dependent on government programs. The goal of this administration is to tax more, spend more and transform America into a Socialist nation whose people need government for their daily survival.
 
Thanks for the pasted graphs. I didn't look at them, but I'm sure they're accurate and unbiased as usual.
 
BLADEMDA said:
We need the Federal government. That said, we need a SMALLER Federal government which lives within its means. Please don't confuse the need for a functioning Federal government with the ever increasing expansion of Federal authority in our daily lives.
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EXACTLY. 👍
 
The era of small government is over.

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"The 1996 State of the Union address was given by President Bill Clinton to a joint session of the 104th United States Congress on January 23, 1996. The speech was the last State of the Union address of President Clinton's first term. This speech occurred shortly after the federal government shutdown of 1995 and 1996 which had resulted from disagreements on the 1996 United States federal budget.
President Clinton discussed the economy and declared that "the era of big government is over,"


How wrong he was.
 
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