Gpa 3.9. Mcat 28

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My GPA is a 3.9 for both science and AO. My breakdown for the MCAT is 8 PS 11 VS 9 BS.

I have two summer's expereince (international public health) researching at the ivy level with quite a few publication awknowledgments. 2+ years as working as an ER tech. NIH fellow for a year. Have worked for a couple long term volunteer positions for a few years. VP of the student alumni association. Director of public affairs for alumni office. 3 posters and one lecture given at an academic conference.

I don't want to go to Harvard, I just want to be accepted a school. I will obviously apply to my state school, but other than that, do I have a chance at any other schools?

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You do have a chance, but raising the MCAT at least 2 points will open a lot more doors. Since you did well on VR, getting a few points improvement on the sciences shouldn't be too difficult if you do many practice problems. I suggest ExamKrackers. If you decide not to retake, you'll probably have to apply to many more schools. You might consider looking up the aamc data for you % chance.
 
According to the AMCAS information, I have about about a 67% chance of acceptance. This seems confusing to me. Does this mean that 67% of all applicants of this bracket was accepted to at least one medical school? I get the impression on here that very few folks get accepted with an MCAT score like mine, however; it seems that quite a few do. Where do they apply?
 
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Well your high GPA makes up for the slightly below average MCAT. I'd look through the MSAR and pick schools whose stats are similar to yours. Creighton comes to mind, because with a 30 MCAT average they must accept many people with below 30. Rosalind Franklin also has a 29 average for matriculants (source: admissions office email).
 
I don't want to go to Harvard, I just want to be accepted a school. I will obviously apply to my state school, but other than that, do I have a chance at any other schools?

**cough** DO **cough**

Just saying. Include some attractively located DO programs on your schools list, it may serve you well.
 
1) Does this mean that 67% of all applicants of this bracket was accepted to at least one medical school?

2) I get the impression on here that very few folks get accepted with an MCAT score like mine, however; it seems that quite a few do. Where do they apply?
1) Yes

2) A lot of them are getting accepted to state schools, but those with lower MCATs and terrific ECs are often accepted to OOS schools who see their potential as being beyond their numbers. It helps a lot to have a really terrific GPA to compensate, too.

With a 3.9/28, consider looking into schools with a good OOS matriculation rate like:

UIllinois, Wayne, Buffalo, Toledo, Drexel, Temple, Vermont, VCU, Virginia Tech Carilion (new),
GWU, FIU, Louisville, Tulane, NYMC, MUSC, SCarolina, EVMS,
Rush, Michigan State, Oakland (new),
Commonwealth MC in Pa

Adding some DO schools to your list is a good idea too.
 
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Thanks so much Cat! You are truly so helpful to all us squandering pre-medders. I am thankful for your input. I am compiling a comprehensive list of schools that would be friendly to lower end schools. Yours is a fantastic start. I think that Rosalind has been mentioned Georgetown seems a little more friendly to lower schools. Any others that could be added?
 
If you are fluent in Spanish the some Puerto Rican schools might consider you, especially with ties to the area, and the traditionally Black med schools are welcoming to anyone with a strong pattern of service to underserved populations (depending on what your "long term volunteer positions" entailed. There might be other less-selective schools close to your state that consider regional applicants. What is your home state?
 
Does the MCAT and GPA information provided by the AMCAS include all medicals schools (DO, MD, Offshores), or is it only MD?
 
Does the MCAT and GPA information provided by the AMCAS include all medicals schools (DO, MD, Offshores), or is it only MD?
AMCAS data includes mainly AMCAS schools (but also Texas, N Dakota, and a Missouri school), and not DO or international schools (except for Canadian).
 
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some of the repliers on this post have no idea what they are talking about. Are any of the commentators medical students or have gotten in to school? Your scores are good unless your trying to go to upper echelon schools. Having uber high scores and GPA will get you in, but being a well rounded, dedicated, who honestly wants to pursue medicine will win the interviewers over that account for the decision of admissions or not.
 
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Well your high GPA makes up for the slightly below average MCAT. I'd look through the MSAR and pick schools whose stats are similar to yours. Creighton comes to mind, because with a 30 MCAT average they must accept many people with below 30. Rosalind Franklin also has a 29 average for matriculants (source: admissions office email).

Not really, especially if the OP attends some TTT

OP, here is a list of the MCATs for the 'less selective' private med schools. Unless your instate school is in the south or one of the plains states, you should consider retaking. On the plus side, you should have a great shot at any DO school

Tufts 32.2 http://www.tufts.edu/med/admissions/...ssprofile.html
Jefferson 31.6 http://www.jefferson.edu/jmc/admissions/faq.cfm
USC 32 http://keck.usc.edu/About/Administra...uirements.aspx
Saint Louis University 32.56 (class of 2012) http://medschool.slu.edu/admissions/...e=how-to-apply
Tulane 32 http://tulane.edu/som/dean/upload/De...10-FINAL-2.pdf
Georgetown 31.9 http://som.georgetown.edu/about/pros...oninformation/
Creighton 30 (class of 2013) http://medschool.creighton.edu/filea...C_Viewbook.pdf
Boston University 33 http://www.bumc.bu.edu/admissions/welcome/classprofile/
Loma Linda 31 http://www.llu.edu/medicine/admissions/faqs.page??
New York Medical College 31 (no year given) http://www.nymc.edu/Academics/School...Questions.html
Rush 31.3 http://www.rushu.rush.edu/servlet/Sa...entBlockDetail
Loyola 32.1 http://www.stritch.luc.edu/node/55
Medical College of Wisconsin 31.8 http://www.mcw.edu/FileLibrary/User/...assProfile.pdf
Wake Forest 31.5 http://www.wfubmc.edu/School/Class-Profile.htm
Albert Einstein 32 http://www.einstein.yu.edu/admission...6_1116_btnlink
 
Not really, especially if the OP attends some TTT

OP, here is a list of the MCATs for the 'less selective' private med schools. Unless your instate school is in the south or one of the plains states, you should consider retaking. On the plus side, you should have a great shot at any DO school

Tufts 32.2 http://www.tufts.edu/med/admissions/...ssprofile.html
Jefferson 31.6 http://www.jefferson.edu/jmc/admissions/faq.cfm
USC 32 http://keck.usc.edu/About/Administra...uirements.aspx
Saint Louis University 32.56 (class of 2012) http://medschool.slu.edu/admissions/...e=how-to-apply
Tulane 32 http://tulane.edu/som/dean/upload/De...10-FINAL-2.pdf
Georgetown 31.9 http://som.georgetown.edu/about/pros...oninformation/
Creighton 30 (class of 2013) http://medschool.creighton.edu/filea...C_Viewbook.pdf
Boston University 33 http://www.bumc.bu.edu/admissions/welcome/classprofile/
Loma Linda 31 http://www.llu.edu/medicine/admissions/faqs.page??
New York Medical College 31 (no year given) http://www.nymc.edu/Academics/School...Questions.html
Rush 31.3 http://www.rushu.rush.edu/servlet/Sa...entBlockDetail
Loyola 32.1 http://www.stritch.luc.edu/node/55
Medical College of Wisconsin 31.8 http://www.mcw.edu/FileLibrary/User/...assProfile.pdf
Wake Forest 31.5 http://www.wfubmc.edu/School/Class-Profile.htm
Albert Einstein 32 http://www.einstein.yu.edu/admission...6_1116_btnlink


Thank you for the list! I did notice an interesting anomaly within your post, however. By showing me a list of MCAT scores, it doesn't serve to refute that a higher GPA makes up for a lower MCAT score. In fact, by definition, I would have to have some sort of deficiency in order to "compensate". Thus, by showing me a list of the average MCAT scores, it only shows me that I don't have an average MCAT score; it doesn't say anything regarding the relationship between MCAT and GPA. The only thing that speaks to that (as far as I know) is the AMCAS information itself which states that 67% of all folks with my stats gets accepted. My goal is to figure out where I can apply in order to be part of that majority.

Now, I would be willing to retake the MCAT, but I do feel that I peaked. My highest score on a practice was a 29 (I studied for 11 weeks about 20 hours a week and took all the AMCAS practice tests), and while I do wish that I was able to be perfectly confident in a dramatic improvement on the next score, I simply am not. So should I attempt it again, or should I stay put and pray?

Also, what are your thoughts on applying to traditionally black schools(I am white)? I have served quite a bit in underdeveloped communities, but I am not sure if that is enough.
 
Thank you for the list! I did notice an interesting anomaly within your post, however. By showing me a list of MCAT scores, it doesn't serve to refute that a higher GPA makes up for a lower MCAT score. In fact, by definition, I would have to have some sort of deficiency in order to "compensate". Thus, by showing me a list of the average MCAT scores, it only shows me that I don't have an average MCAT score; it doesn't say anything regarding the relationship between MCAT and GPA. The only thing that speaks to that (as far as I know) is the AMCAS information itself which states that 67% of all folks with my stats gets accepted. My goal is to figure out where I can apply in order to be part of that majority.

Now, I would be willing to retake the MCAT, but I do feel that I peaked. My highest score on a practice was a 29 (I studied for 11 weeks about 20 hours a week and took all the AMCAS practice tests), and while I do wish that I was able to be perfectly confident in a dramatic improvement on the next score, I simply am not. So should I attempt it again, or should I stay put and pray?

Also, what are your thoughts on applying to traditionally black schools(I am white)? I have served quite a bit in underdeveloped communities, but I am not sure if that is enough.

The problem with the 67% is that it is an amalgamation of many different applicants. For example, a person with a 28 and 3.8 but from Mississippi will almost certainly get into their state school, while someone from Washington state with a 28 and 3.8 has really, really, really bad odds of getting into UW. If you look here, with a GPA>3.75, and an average MCAT sub-section score of 8-9 (24-27 total), the instate acceptance rate is 14.8%, and in the subsection score of 10-11 (30-33 total) the acceptance rate is 33%. In other words, if you were a Washington resident, your chances of being accepted would probably be somewhere around 20-25%http://uwmedicine.washington.edu/Ed...ions/Pages/FrequentlyAskedQuestions.aspx#mcat

Like I said in my previous post, if you are from the south or one of the plains states, you have a decent shot, but if not, quoting the 67% stastic and hoping you'll be accepted may not be the best plan. If you can raise your MCAT to at least a 30, youe chance of getting in somewhere will be a lot better.

At the end of the day, you can explain a low gpa, i.e. the applicant went to one of the best schools in the country and has a deflated gpa/was not the sharpest crayon at an institution filled with above-average students, while the MCAT is a national exam that places everyone on the same footing. If given the option between a slightly lower MCAT and high GPA vs a slightly lower gpa and a high MCAT, I'd chose the latter.

An MCAT score of 28 (for the 2010 MCAT exams) places you in the 63.1-69 percentile. The above institutions have averages around 31 (79.9-84.1 percentile) and 32 (84.5-88.8 percentile). Considering that 82,000 people took the exam last year, if we use the upper end of your percentile (69th percentile), 25,420 scored higher than you on the MCAThttps://www.aamc.org/students/download/157904/data/combined10.pdf.pdf. In 2010, there were only 18,885 first year spots at AAMC (i.e. allo) colleges https://www.aamc.org/download/152934/data/enrollment_data_2010.pdf. Basically, the point I am trying to make is that while gpa can fluxuate greatly from institution-to-institution, the MCAT does not. Do people get accepted to allo schools with 28s? Yeah, but how many of them get accepted to their state school, particularly a state school that is less competitive? The answer, unfortuantely, is that we don't know. The average MCAT at the good DO schools is about a 27 (some are even higher), and the average MCAT at the 'less competitive' private allo schools is between 31 and 32. You are in a gray area, so unless, like I've said before, you are from a southern or plains state, you should consider retaking the MCAT or plan on applying to both DO and allo schools. If you feel like you peaked with a 29, it might be worth reading in the MCAT forum to see what has worked for other applicants.

Re: HBCs, do a search on this topic: it's been addressed many, many times

Good luck :luck:
 
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some of the repliers on this post have no idea what they are talking about. Are any of the commentators medical students or have gotten in to school? Your scores are good unless your trying to go to upper echelon schools. Having uber high scores and GPA will get you in, but being a well rounded, dedicated, who honestly wants to pursue medicine will win the interviewers over that account for the decision of admissions or not.

*sigh* You have to get an interview first before you can blow them away with your amazing drive and passion. :rolleyes: Interview invites weigh heavily on your scores. Getting them is a lot harder than you think, trust me. So go study for the MCAT instead of assuming you are that extra special applicant with the best reasons for pursuing medicine that will surely win the adcom over. It's not gonna happen.
 
*sigh* You have to get an interview first before you can blow them away with your amazing drive and passion. :rolleyes: Interview invites weigh heavily on your scores. Getting them is a lot harder than you think, trust me. So go study for the MCAT instead of assuming you are that extra special applicant with the best reasons for pursuing medicine that will surely win the adcom over. It's not gonna happen.

Truth.
 
Another question. I have qualified for the FAP, and will qualify as a disadvantaged applicant. Will this help my case? Are there any schools in paticular that this will help?
 
apply broadly and you should score at least a couple of interviews. the rest is up to you as far as interviewing. it is a good idea to apply to some of the better DO schools as a safety.

source: did almost all the research for my husbands medical school applications. he had a 30 mcat and 3.6 gpa. got 3 interviews 2 waitlists one acceptance. he applied LATE.
 
Another question. I have qualified for the FAP, and will qualify as a disadvantaged applicant. Will this help my case? Are there any schools in paticular that this will help?
It will depend on what you have to say in the extra AMCAS essay you'll need to write when you apply, and individual school policy. It could help, but don't rely on that.
 
Here is a profile of someone with your stats: http://www.mdapplicants.com/profile.php?id=18708

As you can see, she had trouble getting interviews but did eventually secure an acceptance at her state school/alma matter. All you need is one! BUT I am sure it was a very stressful cycle.
 
My GPA is a 3.9 for both science and AO. My breakdown for the MCAT is 8 PS 11 VS 9 BS.

I have two summer's expereince (international public health) researching at the ivy level with quite a few publication awknowledgments. 2+ years as working as an ER tech. NIH fellow for a year. Have worked for a couple long term volunteer positions for a few years. VP of the student alumni association. Director of public affairs for alumni office. 3 posters and one lecture given at an academic conference.

I don't want to go to Harvard, I just want to be accepted a school. I will obviously apply to my state school, but other than that, do I have a chance at any other schools?

I hope you get in!
 
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/search/8598082/

OP's profile is an interesting read. starts this thread in early 2011, ostensibly as a pre-med to matriculate in fall of 2012. starts a thread in 9/11 asking if it's OK to defer an acceptance and then apply to other med schools during the year off. then starts a thread in 4/2012 asking for advice on choosing between harvard/hopkins/emory/UNC for an MPH. starts a thread in 6/2012 calling himself a "medical student at a prestigious US medical school". then, over the next 6 months, calls himself "an M2", "an M1", "an M1 at a lower-end school", and "an M2 at a state school" (in order)
 
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