GPA/Institution Considerations

[Chemdude]

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WOAAAAAAHHHH WHERE DID YOU GET THAT

I would say it is quite the opposite... I had an interview with a lady who graduated from Princeton for undergraduate program. This is what happened to her. She had like solid B's and maybe a few C's and some good amount of A's (she obviously did not want to tell me her GPA)... She did geophysics... afterwards, she came to Canada, specifically do to cognitive science and/or teaching at Ottawa University and Carleton University (in ottawa)... this is what happened to her... Ottawa University has been in touch with Princeton and knows the grading scheme... they actually deflated her grades A LOT and thereby rejected her on the basis of her true gpa (she did not meet minimum requirements)... If some unknown university (unknown to a lot of americans I should say) knows of such drastically curved universities such as the ivy league schools, then you know for sure no one sympathizes with you when you are getting a B at an ivy because a B at an ivy basically means you are going to get a C or lower at an institution such as McGill University or University of Toronto, or other very top notch universities in the states like UNC, NYU, other schools with just as equally tough programs.

Note**I am not generalizing this case with the single princeton interviewer, she then proceeded on listing her graduating friends from Yale and their experience with grade deflation and ivy league schools. I also have a few friends myself who are graduated and applied to PhD and MBA programs who told me of their experiences with grade deflation.

And, to be frank with you, I do not think ivy league schools can AFFORD to lose their student body... if they did not inflate the way they do, who is going to come to their school? How do you think the alumni will feel and then proceed on not donating the precious funding for these privatized ivy universities...

think about it... education system is a huge business, and you're falling for the bogus "Getting a B at harvard is like getting straight A's at any other Nowhere-Rando University.

Just to give you some personal details that I have noted while being a student at McGill University- 3 of my close friends rejected Yale, Columbia, and Dartmouth to come to McGill... they could have easily went there (money was not a problem) and yet they came to McGill University. 2/3 of them were from the US. The other one was from Toronto. There are plenty more of cases like that at McGill University... So, there you go.

Canadian here! 😉

Your interviewer did not get accepted to a Canadian university because the Canadian application system sucks. Canadian [grad] schools are GPA-******. If you have a mediocre GPA, they are very unlikely to accept you because a high GPA is a requirement. It doesn't matter where you went to school, a 4.0 is a 4.0 regardless of how you got it. Isn't that why the median GPA for UofT medical school matriculants is always 3.9?

BTW, they do not distinguish between a GPA from X school and Y school. I got screwed by this during the UG application process. A lot of my friends attended high schools that were known to give high grades. Unfortunately, I attended a school that had a very rigorous grading system. I got screwed because Canadian schools do not take differences in grading systems into account.

And turning down Yale for McGill is a very poor decision.

 

[Neurovibes]

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[Web MD]

Addressing the original question, here's the bottom line. If two students are applying to a med school and one has a gpa of 3.5 from Harvard and one has a 3.7 from a state school, which student's gpa is going to raise the average of the med school's entering class? More often than not they'll go with the bigger number which raises their school's stats - if you're stuck with the lower gpa hopefully your ivy league school has given you some other trump card to make you seem more desireable than the other guy. I doubt a harvard sweatshirt is gonna do it for you

 

[Neurovibes]

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[MGFuns]

I have to agree with Penner and disagree with neurovibes about his mcgill comment...

1. Everyone I know who has gone to McGill from the US has not been super bright...just a bunch of hipsters. If being a hipster makes you really smart, creative and a good student, then yeah, they're top notch, awesome students. AFAIC they're pro-hipsters, that's about it.

I dont want to start a ratings war here, either. I dont necessarily submit to the idea that Ivys are the be all end all of schools. The fact that McGill is ranked 18 World wide is a sum of a lot of factors including its graduate programs and the research it does, etc, much of which probably doesnt have too much of an impact on undergraduate learning. I know for a fact that the gen chem classes at McGill for a while were video tapes of dead professors lecturing...they had to stop airing them sooner or later when there was an outcry at the fact that the people in the video had died 1/2 a decade ago...

 

[Neurovibes]

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[MGFuns]

I mean, I'm very happy here and am not about to transfer to an easier school or anything to that effect...

But is it then the case that guidance counselors should direct kids that want to be pre-med to the easiest schools they can?

 

[Neurovibes]

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[Penner]

The fact that you claimed everything from one source that is a UNIVERSITY (albeit even biased and self-advocating claim) website is something.

Uh, what are you talking about? When did I post any links to any university websites?

Yes, you are narrow-minded. That's an opinion of mine. Obviously, I don't know you as well. But, I did not want to stoop to your level of inadequate knowledge of the world.

No, you're just a ***** who, for some reason, thinks you have a better understanding of the world than I do despite the fact that all your arguments have been grounded on anecdotal evidence.

Dasvidaniya

I have acknowledged your arguments. We have a difference of opinion and I have stated what I feel should be noted. The fact that again you stooped down to rely on your social class status makes me sick. I had nothing against you and your ability to earn.

I stooped down to rely on my social class? You were the one who brought up social class by telling me to go to a country club. If you weren't too narrow-minded to realize that not all Ivy League students are rich, you wouldn't have said that and I wouldn't have had to correct your ignorance.

Why are trying to insult me. Focus on the argument. You go to a good school, you should probably learn to find an agreeable argument rather than go off on insulting-based-tangents.

Here is a great link that will show the great social capabilities you will learn at and ivy.

Enjoy

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/feb2001/nf20010215_777.htm

Why are trying to insult you? Well are not trying to insult you, are just getting offended because I'm just proving your arguments as largely invalid.

 

[Neurovibes]

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[snorlax]

Haha, well you said ELC... so I'm guessing it's UCLA then?

Alright, UCLA has a tiny bit lower GPA than Princeton (3.20), but still not that big of a difference to say UCLA's grade deflated and Princeton's grade inflated.

According to this:
http://www.newuniversity.org/2009/1...-your-a’s-and-b’s-the-weight-of-grades-at-uc/

UCLA gives 47% A's and A-'s.

I agree with you, though I never claimed that UCLA was deflated and Princeton was inflated (in relation to each other).

 

[MGFuns]

WOAAAAAAHHHH WHERE DID YOU GET THAT

I would say it is quite the opposite... I had an interview with a lady who graduated from Princeton for undergraduate program. This is what happened to her. She had like solid B's and maybe a few C's and some good amount of A's (she obviously did not want to tell me her GPA)... She did geophysics... afterwards, she came to Canada, specifically do to cognitive science and/or teaching at Ottawa University and Carleton University (in ottawa)... this is what happened to her... Ottawa University has been in touch with Princeton and knows the grading scheme... they actually deflated her grades A LOT and thereby rejected her on the basis of her true gpa (she did not meet minimum requirements)... If some unknown university (unknown to a lot of americans I should say) knows of such drastically curved universities such as the ivy league schools, then you know for sure no one sympathizes with you when you are getting a B at an ivy because a B at an ivy basically means you are going to get a C or lower at an institution such as McGill University or University of Toronto, or other very top notch universities in the states like UNC, NYU, other schools with just as equally tough programs.

Note**I am not generalizing this case with the single princeton interviewer, she then proceeded on listing her graduating friends from Yale and their experience with grade deflation and ivy league schools. I also have a few friends myself who are graduated and applied to PhD and MBA programs who told me of their experiences with grade deflation.

And, to be frank with you, I do not think ivy league schools can AFFORD to lose their student body... if they did not inflate the way they do, who is going to come to their school? How do you think the alumni will feel and then proceed on not donating the precious funding for these privatized ivy universities...

think about it... education system is a huge business, and you're falling for the bogus "Getting a B at harvard is like getting straight A's at any other Nowhere-Rando University.

Just to give you some personal details that I have noted while being a student at McGill University- 3 of my close friends rejected Yale, Columbia, and Dartmouth to come to McGill... they could have easily went there (money was not a problem) and yet they came to McGill University. 2/3 of them were from the US. The other one was from Toronto. There are plenty more of cases like that at McGill University... So, there you go.

I just re read this and wanted to respond...

I dont understand how you can say that Bs at Ivys are like C's elsewhere.
You can claim that SAT, Undergrad GPA, etc, etc isn't a good indicator, but it says something...

If the average SAT at a school is like 1450, I'm going to argue that the average Science Student sat is 1500. This is equivalent to 98th and 99th percentile.

Contrast that with a school where the median is a 1250 and you're in say the 60th or 70th precentile...

There are simply better students at the school. The kids are smarter. I dont know what else to say. For you to criticize ivys for just saying its a bunch of alums putting money back in and noone good there, if that were the case, then the average SATs, and specs of the kids would be falling, not going up and up. Bottom line, if you have top faculty and top students, it's going to be a pretty good, pretty challenging institution.

I really dont understand how you can say GPA is GPA either...that's ridiculous. A top notch student at a challenging school could easily go to a school where he/she was in the top 10% in terms of ability and just stomp in classes...

 

[Neurovibes]

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[Web MD]

If your main argument that ivy gpa should mean more or be "curved up" is that there are smarter students to compete against, I'd counter that you're really only competing against the science oriented pre-meds anyway. Doesn't really matter if the business and pre-law students at an ivy school all got near perfect SAT scores while their state school counterparts scored 200 points lower - you're not competing against either of those two groups. You really think there's a significant difference between the kids in an ochem class at a state school and the kids in ochem at an ivy? I'd bet both groups had roughly similar SAT/ACT etc and just ended up at different schools for various reasons

 

[Penner]

I agree with you, though I never claimed that UCLA was deflated and Princeton was inflated (in relation to each other).

Well, all I have to say is... UCLA rocks. Go Bruins!

 

[Neurovibes]

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[Neurovibes]

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[MGFuns]

What I do know is that no one should cry over getting a bad grade at such institutions. You got a bad grade. Deal with it.

Who is doing that? Are you accusing me of doing that? Otherwise where did that come from?

 

[Web MD]

Ignore him, the conversation should be over. Some people think ivy school classes are harder, med schools don't care if they are, gpa is almost completely a straight numbers game - if it pisses you off then that sucks, get over it.

 

[BrainBuff]

Hmmm, .... I find it a waste of time to argue with people who have the audacity of belittling a school like Princeton.

Princeton acceptance rate was a shocking 8.18 this year. I guess that all those very competitive, hard driven, unique and bright kids try to get in because of ...grade inflation.

I find that some one who can only get into Podunk University, would be the one more concerned about the advantages of grade inflation. A student attending an ivy.....won't need it.

 

[Web MD]

Audacity? Are you serious? It's a school man, not your mother or anything like that. By the way, you're kidding yourself if you think all of the pre-meds at Podunk University couldn't get accepted at any Ivys - they probably just had a tour guide like you and declined without ever looking back

 

[Alcibiades]

i remember i stumbled upon a website listing the average (or was it median?) grades of each course dartmouth offered, a website available to dartmouth students when signing up for classes. the average grade? an A-, including the hard sciences.... don't tell me that dartmouth doesn't have grade inflation.

ill post the link if i find it.

 

[Dbate]

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If your main argument that ivy gpa should mean more or be "curved up" is that there are smarter students to compete against, I'd counter that you're really only competing against the science oriented pre-meds anyway. Doesn't really matter if the business and pre-law students at an ivy school all got near perfect SAT scores while their state school counterparts scored 200 points lower - you're not competing against either of those two groups. You really think there's a significant difference between the kids in an ochem class at a state school and the kids in ochem at an ivy? I'd bet both groups had roughly similar SAT/ACT etc and just ended up at different schools for various reasons"

The students at Ivy League schools ARE smarter than the students at state schools. I go to an Ivy and scored a 34 on the ACT. I believe the average ACT score here is a 32. Can you find a state school with an average ACT of 32? Even UC-Berkeley has an average of 30 (btw, a 30 represents the lowest 25% score at Yale), so even assuming that science oriented students are more intelligent than non-science students (despite the fact that they are not), then that would mean that science students at EVERY university would populate the highest rungs of intelligence. So the elevation that occurs at UCLA or whatever school would also happen at Ivy League schools.

Moreover, the top 25% of students at Berkeley scored an average of a 32 on the ACT--which is less than 50% of all the students at Yale. So if the strongest students are oriented toward the sciences, then Yalies, and other Ivy League students, are much more capable than the students at the best of public schools.


I am annoyed by the constant bashing of schools. If you go to an Ivy League school be modest about it. And I do realize the apparent hypocrisy demonstrated in my above statement, but that was only to counter a false statement made by another poster. If you go to a state school, don't bash Ivy League schools. That way everyone is happy.


To the OP: According to historical data from our career office, students from Yale matriculated at schools with GPAs lower than the average at pretty much every medical school, except the very top. However, they also had MCAT scores higher than the average for the medical schools where they matriculated. So, assuming that Dartmouth is as rigorous as Yale, which it is, then you should be able to do phenomenal on the MCAT and have nothing to worry about. Also, looking at the GPA/MCAT combination of past students accepted to some of my state's med schools. Students with science GPAs in the 3.2 range scored an average of 35 on the MCAT, so the education you are recieving will pay off in the long run.

"Princeton acceptance rate was a shocking 8.18 this year. I guess that all those very competitive, hard driven, unique and bright kids try to get in because of ...grade inflation."

Yale had an acceptance rate of 7.5%, maybe Princeton should step their game up. (Btw, I got rejected from Princeton, so acceptance rates don't reveal the caliber of students all that much.)

 

[Penner]

Haha, PENN needs to step up its game - 14.2% is almost double Yale's rate... Tsk tsk.

 

[Beren]

,The students at Ivy League schools ARE smarter than the students at state schools. I go to an Ivy and scored a 34 on the ACT. I believe the average ACT score here is a 32. Can you find a state school with an average ACT of 32? Even UC-Berkeley has an average of 30 (btw, a 30 represents the lowest 25% score at Yale), so even assuming that science oriented students are more intelligent than non-science students (despite the fact that they are not), then that would mean that science students at EVERY university would populate the highest rungs of intelligence. So the elevation that occurs at UCLA or whatever school would also happen at Ivy League schools.

Moreover, the top 25% of students at Berkeley scored an average of a 32 on the ACT--which is less than 50% of all the students at Yale. So if the strongest students are oriented toward the sciences, then Yalies, and other Ivy League students, are much more capable than the students at the best of public schools.


I am annoyed by the constant bashing of schools. If you go to an Ivy League school be modest about it. And I do realize the apparent hypocrisy demonstrated in my above statement, but that was only to counter a false statement made by another poster. If you go to a state school, don't bash Ivy League schools. That way everyone is happy.


To the OP: According to historical data from our career office, students from Yale matriculated at schools with GPAs lower than the average at pretty much every medical school, except the very top. However, they also had MCAT scores higher than the average for the medical schools where they matriculated. So, assuming that Dartmouth is as rigorous as Yale, which it is, then you should be able to do phenomenal on the MCAT and have nothing to worry about. Also, looking at the GPA/MCAT combination of past students accepted to some of my state's med schools. Students with science GPAs in the 3.2 range scored an average of 35 on the MCAT, so the education you are recieving will pay off in the long run.




Yale had an acceptance rate of 7.5%, maybe Princeton should step their game up. (Btw, I got rejected from Princeton, so acceptance rates don't reveal the caliber of students all that much.)

Terribly misguided elitism. The student bodies of Yale and Berkeley are fundamentally different. Berkeley takes on much larger classes to educate a wide-range of Californian residents, in following their mission. Their top students there are on par with any other university.

 

[Dbate]

Terribly misguided elitism. The student bodies of Yale and Berkeley are fundamentally different. Berkeley takes on much larger classes to educate a wide-range of Californian residents, in following their mission. Their top students there are on par with any other university.

If by fundamentally different you mean less intelligent, then I agree. They are not educating a wide-range of California residents. If they were, their acceptance rate wouldn't be 26%. Also, looking at the top students at any institution is irrelevant when considering GPAs because there are only a few top students. No class's curve is determined solely by the top, but by the combined prowess of the overall class.

The top students at Berkeley do not even come close to the top students at Ivies.

 

[Beren]

If by fundamentally different you mean less intelligent, then I agree. They are not educating a wide-range of California residents. If they were, their acceptance rate wouldn't be 26%. Also, looking at the top students at any institution is irrelevant when considering GPAs because there are only a few top students. No class's curve is determined solely by the top, but by the combined prowess of the overall class.

The top students at Berkeley do not even come close to the top students at Ivies.

Picking apart this post is too easy.

The only response this view deserves is my remark that you will be in for a BIG surprise when you move out of your bubble and into the real world.

 

[Penner]

Picking apart this post is too easy.

The only response this view deserves is my remark that you will be in for a BIG surprise when you move out of your bubble and into the real world.

No, the top students at Berkeley really are not on par with the top students at Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford. If they were, most of them would have gone to Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford.

In the real world, a disproportionate amount of the highly successful people and higher-ups are Ivy League graduates. What surprise exactly will we find? You think we've never interacted with Berkeley kids before? Many of my good friends are at UCLA and UC Berkeley, and although they're above average there, they're not even close to average at Penn.

Of course since Berkeley has a huuge class, it's just statistically likely that they'll have a few really smart kids that can hold their weight at HYPS, but no one ever said that wasn't the case.

 

[Narmerguy]

Definitely. I agree with you as well.

And this is a little bit off the specific topic, but according to Residency Program Directors, the applicant's medical school is almost as important as being chosen AOA during the med students application for residency programs. Interestingly, the lowest ranked factor in importance for residency admission is "having performed research as a medical student".

I have always thought that premed applicants may be viewed in a similar way by med school adcoms.

http://journals.lww.com/academicmed..._Criteria_for_Residency__Results_of_a.24.aspx

Re-read my post. I never said that those two factors were the most important, but that AOA membership and med school attended were "almost" equivalent in terms of importance. And everyone always makes a big deal out of AOA.

My other point was that the importance of research is always exaggerated on these forums. And it was the LOWEST ranked factor by Residency Program Directors.

Where is the deception?

This is misleading. It matters a lot for when you're applying to some of the really top residencies at top academic centers and some specialties, such as plastics or radiation oncology, are very research oriented. In radonc a significant portion of the field is full of PhDs/MD-PhDs.

 

[Narmerguy]

No, the top students at Berkeley really are not on par with the top students at Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford. If they were, most of them would have gone to Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford.

In the real world, a disproportionate amount of the highly successful people and higher-ups are Ivy League graduates. What surprise exactly will we find? You think we've never interacted with Berkeley kids before?

Not everyone that is capable of going to the Ivy's wants to.

 

[MGFuns]

nothing against sdn, but honestly, compared to a lot of forums that i've been to, people are quick to start flinging the poo

I thought I was pretty innocent/non confrontational in my original post

 

[unitofpain]

No, the top students at Berkeley really are not on par with the top students at Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford. If they were, most of them would have gone to Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford.

In the real world, a disproportionate amount of the highly successful people and higher-ups are Ivy League graduates. What surprise exactly will we find? You think we've never interacted with Berkeley kids before? Many of my good friends are at UCLA and UC Berkeley, and although they're above average there, they're not even close to average at Penn.

Of course since Berkeley has a huuge class, it's just statistically likely that they'll have a few really smart kids that can hold their weight at HYPS, but no one ever said that wasn't the case.

I go to Stanford, and I can't even let this insult to UC Berkeley slide. The top kids there are extremely bright, easily on par with HYPS. The main reason for this, as others have mentioned, is finances - the Regents scholarship has lured many students away from HYPS (I know a couple of kids here who chose to come to Stanford only after much agonizing about money vs. prestige).

Further, UC Berkeley is without a doubt more challenging to its students. There is grade inflation at the top schools - no doubt. Perhaps the best way to describe it is being "babied". We actually have a shirt that goes as follows: "Beat Kal - because their transcripts stole all of our C's". It is true that we really don't even offer that many C's, maybe 10-15%. Only the bottom 5% fail a class.

Schools like Caltech, Berkeley, MIT, etc. SHOULD get a boost in their gpa when applying to medical school. Its simply not fair to them. Their coursework is so much more difficult than their ivy counterparts. My brother went to Caltech, and looking at his introduction math pset, I struggled mightily. I A+'d all my math classes so far at Stanford with relative ease.

 

[Dbate]

I go to Stanford, and I can't even let this insult to UC Berkeley slide. The top kids there are extremely bright, easily on par with HYPS. The main reason for this, as others have mentioned, is finances - the Regents scholarship has lured many students away from HYPS (I know a couple of kids here who chose to come to Stanford only after much agonizing about money vs. prestige).

Further, UC Berkeley is without a doubt more challenging to its students. There is grade inflation at the top schools - no doubt. Perhaps the best way to describe it is being "babied". We actually have a shirt that goes as follows: "Beat Kal - because their transcripts stole all of our C's". It is true that we really don't even offer that many C's, maybe 10-15%. Only the bottom 5% fail a class.

Schools like Caltech, Berkeley, MIT, etc. SHOULD get a boost in their gpa when applying to medical school. Its simply not fair to them. Their coursework is so much more difficult than their ivy counterparts. My brother went to Caltech, and looking at his introduction math pset, I struggled mightily. I A+'d all my math classes so far at Stanford with relative ease.

You're ignoring the fact that top students do not determine the curve in a class. The fact that you have to speak of the top students at UC-Berkeley, as the only ones equitable to average students at Ivy League schools, is sufficient to acknowledge the chasm in capabilities of the student body.

The percent of students receiving A's, or F's for that matter, offers no information regarding the difficulty of course work or the caliber of the work that the students of said institution complete.


Also, it is VERY presumptous of you to assume that Stanford is a top school.























Just Kidding. I bet you got really offended though 🙂

 

[unitofpain]

I still feel like the grading distribution may be more than compensating for the difference in student body. Take me as an example. I have not gotten below an A in any class at Stanford so far, but I would be extremely fearful of going to UC Berkeley because I really doubt if I could still do so well there.

Also, your jab at Stanford does not affect me much, because I turned down Yale to go here 🙂

 

[Dbate]

I still feel like the grading distribution may be more than compensating for the difference in student body. Take me as an example. I have not gotten below an A in any class at Stanford so far, but I would be extremely fearful of going to UC Berkeley because I really doubt if I could still do so well there.

Also, your jab at Stanford does not affect me much, because I turned down Yale to go here 🙂

Perhaps you are just extraordinarily smart, but a 4.0, even after freshman year, is a rarity to the point that out of my friend group I don't know a single person here who has a 4.0.

Regardless, to speculate that the harsher curve at UC-Berkeley compensates for the lower student body at best serves to put a Berkeley GPA on par with an Ivy GPA. But at worst, functions to justify the large percent of A's that are delved out at Ivy League schools. Seeing as the large percentage of A's is the basis for the completely misguided grade inflation bashing of Ivy GPAs, I doubt that the latter is your aim.

Either way, you are not profiding sufficient argumentation against the grade scales at Ivies.


I have no anecdote regarding Stanford's admission as I did not bother to apply there. I only considered top institutions 😛

 

[BrainBuff]

Audacity? Are you serious? It's a school man, not your mother or anything like that. By the way, you're kidding yourself if you think all of the pre-meds at Podunk University couldn't get accepted at any Ivys - they probably just had a tour guide like you and declined without ever looking back

Just like I said. No need to argue about this. And yes, most students at Podunk University could not get accepted to any Ivys. You are the one that is really kidding yourself or completely ignorant of the admission process to these schools.

 

[Dbate]

Is it just me, or are there ALOT of Ivy Leagues (and Stanford types) on this board? In real life, aside from school, I rarely meet another student who attends an Ivy, but here it seems as if quite a few do. I realize the types of students who are attracted to this board, but seriously. It seems like alot of Ivy Leaguers here.

 

[BrainBuff]

Yale had an acceptance rate of 7.5%, maybe Princeton should step their game up. (Btw, I got rejected from Princeton, so acceptance rates don't reveal the caliber of students all that much.)

And reminding you about your reference to modesty, someone was belittling Princeton which is the reason I happened to mention its admission rate. On the other hand, perhaps Yale needs to step up its game to reach Harvard's 6.9%.

Personally, I do not like Princeton (I don't like Martinis) and Yale ...well "New Haven looks better in the dark"...😀

 

[Beren]

Perhaps you are just extraordinarily smart, but a 4.0, even after freshman year, is a rarity to the point that out of my friend group I don't know a single person here who has a 4.0.

You're hanging out with the wrong people then. I knew several with 3.9+ GPAs and 36+ MCATs, and most of them are going to top-notch grad or med programs.

I'm sorry to say, these will be the kids beating out you, your crappy MCAT, and Ivy GPA . Your arrogance won't make up for your bad GPA for admissions

 

[Dbate]

You're hanging out with the wrong people then. I knew several with 3.9+ GPAs and 36+ MCATs, and most of them are going to top-notch grad or med programs.

I'm sorry to say, these will be the kids beating you out and your crappy MCAT and Ivy GPA .

Where do you go again?

 

[Dbate]

And reminding you about your reference to modesty, someone was belittling Princeton which is the reason I happened to mention its admission rate. On the other hand, perhaps Yale needs to step up its game to reach Harvard's 6.9%.

Personally, I do not like Princeton (I don't like Martinis) and Yale ...well "New Haven looks better in the dark"...😀

I was joking. The part about me being rejected was supposed to indicate that, but I guess I failed. Princeton is beautiful and I was upset that I got rejected--I really wanted to choose between Y and P, but whatever.

About the Harvard thing, we do need to step our game up, lest we begin to look shabby.

And yeah New Haven does suck 🙁

 

[Beren]

Where do you go again?

Graduated from Berkeley. And you?

N/m, question answered.

 

[Dbate]

Graduated from Berkeley. And you?

Berkeley, oh now I see. That explains some things.

 

[BrainBuff]

I was joking. The part about me being rejected was supposed to indicate that, but I guess I failed. Princeton is beautiful and I was upset that I got rejected--I really wanted to choose between Y and P, but whatever.

About the Harvard thing, we do need to step our game up, lest we begin to look shabby.

And yeah New Haven does suck 🙁

I was joking as well. Sarcasm gets lost online sometimes...😍

 

[Beren]

Berkeley, oh now I see. That explains some things.

haha, and for not having not applied to HYP, I am glad that I didn't end up there after this conversation. 😛

 

[BrainBuff]

Berkeley, oh now I see. That explains some things.

Dbate, dbate....😎

 

[BrainBuff]

haha, and for not having not applied to HYP, I am glad that I didn't end up there after this conversation. 😛

Dude, if you had ended up at HYP, perhaps your MDApps Profile would not be showing up as an Error Message 404..

 

[Dbate]

haha, and for not having not applied to HYP, I am glad that I didn't end up there after this conversation. 😛

Oh that really offends me. :sarcasm:

(I indicate sarcasm because it appears to be lost through the internet).


Also, that was a bad decision. HYP is absolutely awesome, despite the fact that we are populated with latent arrogant jerks who only display their true colors via online forums. :no sarcasm:

 

[Beren]

Dude, if you had ended up at HYP, perhaps your MDapps Profile would not be showing up as an Error Message 404..

dude, I have a 3.9+ and 40+. I took it down because it was very distracting getting responses (to my posts on the forum) about my numbers.

Please don't cling onto your precious high school GPA and test scores to justify your poor performance in college.

 

[CoolWhipp]

smh