I'll respond in order.
blike: I made things personal because I perceived your initial post as personal since you used the rough phrases "hogwash" and "give me a break", and you said that "If he isn't accepted, then there won't be any future patients." That statement is so obvious that I was offended that you felt it was necessary to write. However, if you were honestly confused by my use of "future" instead of "potential" and said what you said to attempt to establish clarity, then I sincerely apologize for my rudeness.
You wrote:
explain to me how a rejection is in the best interest of someone's potential patients;
I believe a rejection is in the best interest of someone's potential patients because it means that are not fit for medicine, and if they had patients they would mistreat them. I will apply to enough medical schools to overcome the "crapshoot" effect, and if I am not accepted by any of them then I will assume that I am not fit for medicine and will pursue a different career path instead. Some people want to apply year after year to see if they get in - I have a different philosophy, however.
You wrote:
First, my point was you personally are not in a position to judge whether or not it is in the best interest of his "future" patients.
For the gazillionth time, I never said I was personally in a position to judge whether or not it is in the best interests of his potential patients for him to be rejected. If he is rejected by the <i>admissions committe</i>, not <i>me</i> it <i>will</i> have been in the best interests of his potential patients. Do you finally understand, or do I need to explain it again? It should be very clear now.
You wrote:
Second, adcoms are not in a position to judge how good a doctor will be based on his undergraduate transcripts alone. Great Grades doesn't mean Great Physician.
No admissions committee in this country will attempt to judge how good a doctor someone will be based on his undergraduate transcripts alone, and I don't think they should, but I, unlike Greenberet, think they are justified in seeing <i>complete</i> undergraduate transcripts because bad grades can be a red flag.
MaggieD: Again you offer nothing but accusations. If you're going to insult me at least write something witty. Come on now.
jwin: Do you even know how to read? Apparently you do not, because I quite clearly said that I said that I'm worried about the effect my high school performance will have on my possible performance as a doctor. I also said I was worried about the effect Greenberet's earlier college performance will have on his being a doctor because I believe poor grades, no matter when they are received, are important. Medical schools do not consider high school grades important. If they did, they would ask for them and I would happily send them when I apply. They do ask for all college grades, and that why Greenberet should send his. However, I consider my high school grades important in lieu of medical school admissions committees and that's why I worry about my possibly poor performance as a doctor. However, Greenberet does not consider all his grades important in lieu of medical school admissions committees and that is why I worry for his potential patients.
Also, I appreciate the concern and applaud your research skills, but I would like to inform you that prior to matriculating at college fulltime I aced every class I took (much more than a semester's worth). I did not like my high school, disregarded the effect poor performance in my high school classes would have on my future, and chose not to work in them, thus guaranteeing me bad grades.
Now in college fulltime, in addition to having aced the college classes I took previously, I am acing every class I'm taking - more than the normal credit load, mind you. I also just received the highest grade on the midterm in my calculus class of several <i>hundred</i>. So my GPA is well and good, currently standing at a 4.0, which is not almost failing out, but the highest you can get at my school (no A+'s).
So no, Greenberet and I are not in the same boat because I only have an excellent college record and his is spotty. We are in the same boat in that we have both have received a rash of bad grades in the past. If there are any inconsistencies you perceive in my posts I would be happy to clarify them for you, but please read everything I write before responding.
Greenberet: I truly find it despicable that you want to become a doctor and are trying to lie about yourself before you even go to <i>medical school</i>. Medicine is not like the military, my friend. The end is not more important than the means. Your credibility is always crucial and you want to create as human a relationship as you can with your patient. Lying about yourself is not a way to do that. Try watching Patch Adams sometime, it'll do ya good.
Random Access: I never said he shouldn't be a doctor since he had low grades, I said he should send his low grades and if he is rejected on the basis of them he should assume it is in the best interest of the patients he would have been responsible for. I wrote it very clearly this time so that you can understand. I also would like to note that if I had to send high school grades and was rejected on the basis of them I would assume it was in the best interest of the patients I would have been responsible for, also.
I understand that most of you are science majors, but the lack of reading comprehension skills on this board is truly mesmerizing. Before you all attack me, at least try to understand what I'm saying, please. drumming17 is the only one who read everything I wrote before responding. More of you should try doing just that.
