H1B CAP april 1st- US grad

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Good luck to all of us "international student US grad "playing the lottery!!!:luck:

I barely made it into the lottery to start with because of a twist I was not aware of. If you have finished all your degree requirements before April 1st, then you are eligible to enter the lottery.

My company almost forgot about me, because most companies focus on people that have graduated already, so last year grads mainly. For some reasons I called the company paralegal last Thursday, and that's how I found out about the "twist " I was in. I am not a grad yet but because my last rotation ended on March 31st, I was eligible to enter the lottery this year instead of waiting next year.

I hope that some P-1, P-2, P-3 will read this and know that if they can manage to finish their rotations in march or before, then it's a chance to enter the lottery one year earlier ( for those not in the exemption category). if you have any friends that are international students at your school please let them know about this.

of course this is just about entering the lottery..winning is something else:luck:
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Here are some questions I have via PM and decided to post them here for the benefits of all of us in the same boat.

In regards to your post regarding the lottery...

I'm an international student who barely just got accepted to a school in ####.

** congratulation! on your acceptance, barely or not your are on your way to a wonderful futur***

I start in august..Nevertheless when I read your post, it got me wondering what this H-1b lottery is all about ?

** H1B..so much to say about it, read about it on te uscis.gov, it's your best source, start reading now to better understand the immigration laws that will dictate your life as long as you remain an international student and graduate as one***

So, right after graduation, your company is supposed to apply for an H-1B visa for you ?

**for your employer to file for you, make sure to network during school, sign an early commitment with a company, then when your are done your pharmd REQUIREMENTS make sure that your company lawyer is aware of you being done before April 1st if you can manage to do so***

But you are not guaranteed one ? I thought there is a special case for "professionals" --> including pharmacist that enables international students who become pharmacists to easily get a green card ? ..

**it's a misconception...pharmd by itself does not fall in the exemption category, again you must read from the uscis site they have listed all the exemptions unless you are from Chili, Singapore, have a master degree from the USA!, work for an hospital or academia..and some other..you pretty much fall the lottery pile***

could you please explain a little how employment with international students work ?

***employment works the same as for citizen, market your self and find a job even before you get out of school, there is no reason to get out without an employment offer, I had 3 lined up in writing since last november****

also... did you work during your p1/p2/p3 years ? Did you apply for a CPT ? or used up your OPT ?.

***yes yes and yes..I worked from the time I sat foot in FL as a prepharm..on campus jobs..then in pharm school..using CPT..DO NOT touch your OPT during school, you will need every bit of it once you graduate because even if I win the H1B lottery the visa it's not effective until october ... and if I don't win this year..I can keep working until next year while I am making plan B for my professional futur****

**What if I don't win the lottery? the option I am looking at are***

1.Moving to North pole:laugh:
2.Do a fellowship, and go academia so dat I don't fall in the lottery file ever again
3.Get a master from the US is an option to get out of the lottery but that would be a set back, I am not desesperate enough to waste my time going back to school dat way
4.My husband is a F1, so I could change to F2 next year and stay home until I win the lottery....
5.Go back to Gabon with the kids and work there while awaiting to win one day...eh sounds good to me, may be I can get the kids to speak french..lol
6. combine 4 and 5, on a F2 I can work in Gabon and travel back and worth to come check on my husband from time to time for some hugs😍
 
You can use CPT starting in P1? What are the restrictions? Can it be used year-round?

At the end of the P1 year, during the summer..You have to be enrolled for at least 1 full academic year, in most cases. I can't specifically remember if my school strongly recommended an CPT before the end of my first year. It has a lot to do with how your school international student officer feels about it, they have some layaway on these CPTs

Here is a statement straight from my international student office website.


F-1 Off-Campus Employment Options

Curricular Practical Training (CPT)
Under most circumstances, to be eligible for this category, you must have been lawfully enrolled as a full-time student for one academic year and be in F-1 status at the time of application. A job offer is required to be eligible to apply for CPT. While there is no limit to the length of time you may be employed in CPT, any student who works for twelve months or more in full-time training automatically loses the right to any Optional Practical Training (OPT) after completion of studies.

Curricular Practical Training is defined as:

training that is required for all students in the degree program as part of the established curriculum (e.g. required internships as published in the school catalog), OR
training programs taken for academic credit which are an integral part of the established curriculum, but are not required (e.g. field study courses as published in the school catalog or practicum classes).

Hope this help.
 
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well working at a pharmacy is neither a) for credit, nor b) required as part of the curriculum

You sound like you need to talk to your international advisor at the school when you start ASAP.
***YES working at a pharmacy can be for credit in some schools program. My school ( and the rules have changed since my class) let us have 1 basic community and basic hospital rotation while getting paid for it.
**YES working at a pharmacy is a required part of most, if not all, state licensing requirements ( and licensing is the ultimate goal of your curriculum right?). Here is how that one goes: most states, if not all, require a certain number a "required internship hours obtained outside of your school scoop" in order to license you.

It would be stupid to wait until ones graduate to obtain those hours as not having them will delay your licensing. So most people knock them out slowly while in school. Check with your state hours requirement on their board of pharmacy website. When u r closer to graduation you school will ask you to get these hours on a notorized form and submit them. Some schools, like mine, will send that directly to the board for you around licensing time.
Here is what I did, I took the statement from the board of pharmacy website to my school's Dean office and told them that I wanted to get these hours while in school to avoid delay in licensing: they recommended CPT in writing. I took my dean's office recommendation letter and statement from the board of pharmacy to my international advisor(IA), she issued a CPT on the spot! and put both letter in my file as justification. The trick once CPT is granted, is that immigration does not care how many hours total you worked in your 4 years of pharmD, they care about you not workin more X amount of hours per week. ( can't remember if it's 20hrs/wks or less) check with yout IA

so how can you get CPT to work in a hospital or retail pharmacy or for an internship?
Do you use CPT year round or just in the summer?
refer to response above. I used CPT year around includind summers. I have about 5 or 6 I-20's When I finished school:laugh: Note to yourself: keep ALL your I-20's. I was shocked when filing for my OPT I was asked for all of my previous opt..😱 I was like what is the use of SEVIS??? I taught they keep track of all of them nut nope..everytime your SEVIS is updated your old I-20 is out of the system. So one must keep all their I-20. had only all the ones from pharmd school, none from prepharm or english school. My IA was like it should not be a big deal, not to hunt them down.

In the summer, you don't even need CPT...you can work full-time during a vacation semester.

That's news to me. During the summer you can work full time on a CPT, that but as an international student I was ALL TIME be cover by some type of work authorization to work off campus. Some off campus job can be qualified as on campus job if connected to your university, like research lab..there are so many little exeption there and there always check with your IA.

becareful in taking jobs off campus just because it's the summer. It will come back and haunt later on.

http://www.upenn.edu/oip/iss/visa/f1/employment.html

Please consult the International Student Adviser in the OIA if you are not sure the employment will qualify as on-campus.
 
Thanks for the info. I was once a foreign student graduating for nursing schools. The only time I was allowed to work during school is the "internship" elective for nursing program. You guys have more options. Congrats for the acceptance!!
Working for them during school is the best chance to get you feet in the door. That's how I got my nursing job.

I know paying the equally and outrageously high tuition but not being entitled the same employment benefits is unfair.
 
hey, Im in your shoes but I have no idea why you are scrambling for... you can work on the F1 for a year. Tthen once you are done with that you have no cap on academic affiliated institutions or non profit organizations many MCO's HMO's etc.. a lot of hospitals are affiliated with schools... so there is a lot of options not to scramble (unless you are desperate to work for a retail chain?)
 
MountainPharmD said:
Wow...this entire thread is you talking to yourself....I find that very funny, sorry.
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Cool !!!!now I am talking to someone you..yay me!!

What you have not realize that is that sometimes this site can be intimidating for international students. I posted originally mainly to provide my fellow IS with information that we don't always come accross unless one of us has been there. Then, some students on this site PM me instead of posting their questions directly in the thread. So, I decided again in the same spirit to post their questions without the IDs and to answer them for all of us to read.

So smart gal, this monologue thread is doing just fine. Glad that I made your day. We all can always use some extra laughter:laugh: it's good for your health.

Thank for your concern.
 
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yatzek said:
hey, Im in your shoes but I have no idea why you are scrambling for... you can work on the F1 for a year. Tthen once you are done with that you have no cap on academic affiliated institutions or non profit organizations many MCO's HMO's etc.. a lot of hospitals are affiliated with schools... so there is a lot of options not to scramble (unless you are desperate to work for a retail chain?)
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hey "same boat" gal, yes I have options like I listed them. I know what has a cap and what does not..by now:laugh:. I don't want to go academia without a fellowship under my belt, that why it's an option. Hospital pharmacy is not an option for me, residency ..not for me either ( see how they did not even make my list of options)

I am not desperate for a retail job..I like retail..grew up to be a retail pharmacist and that what I want to do. ..You know what YES I am desperate for a retail job because that's what I wanna do ( now , imagine me screaming and kicking when I say that..lol)

I hate the idea of being forced to change my career plan ( at least short term) by a lottery, that why I am chewing on my nails until I find out:xf: This lottery computer thingy better pick my name..:laugh::luck::xf:
 
What is the H-1B cap?

The cap is the congressionally-mandated limit on the number of individuals who may be granted initial H-1B status or visas during each fiscal year. For FY 2010, the cap is 65,000.
Not all H-1B beneficiaries are subject to the cap. Congress has provided that the first 20,000 H-1B petitions filed on behalf of aliens who have earned a U.S. masters’ degree or higher are exempt from the fiscal year cap. H-1B petitions filed on behalf of beneficiaries who will work at institutions of higher education or a related or affiliated nonprofit entities, or at nonprofit research organizations or governmental research organizations are exempt from the fiscal year cap. Generally, H-1B beneficiaries seeking to extend status and/or add employers are not subject to the cap.


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Wouldn't a PharmD be considered " US Master's degree or higher ? "


Wouldn't that allow us to be in the "cap gap" ?
 
Here is an idea: IF YOU DID NOT GRADUATE FROM A US SCHOOL OF PHARMACY PLEASE STAY AND WORK IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. As far as I'm concerned these visas should have been eliminated this year.
 
kampungboy said:
What is the H-1B cap?

The cap is the congressionally-mandated limit on the number of individuals who may be granted initial H-1B status or visas during each fiscal year. For FY 2010, the cap is 65,000.
Not all H-1B beneficiaries are subject to the cap. Congress has provided that the first 20,000 H-1B petitions filed on behalf of aliens who have earned a U.S. masters’ degree or higher are exempt from the fiscal year cap. H-1B petitions filed on behalf of beneficiaries who will work at institutions of higher education or a related or affiliated nonprofit entities, or at nonprofit research organizations or governmental research organizations are exempt from the fiscal year cap. Generally, H-1B beneficiaries seeking to extend status and/or add employers are not subject to the cap.


Question :



Wouldn't a PharmD be considered " US Master's degree or higher ? "


Wouldn't that allow us to be in the "cap gap" ?
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I know right?..but by some loophole..a pharmD still falls into the H1B CAP..if your employer is not one of the exemptions listed. May be because it used to be a bachelor and congress is slow at updating the status..that's just pure speculation on my part. I wish I knew the answer to that one. A lawyer from a retail company A told me that we don't qualify for the OPT extension.
 
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StevePerry said:
Here is an idea: IF YOU DID NOT GRADUATE FROM A US SCHOOL OF PHARMACY PLEASE STAY AND WORK IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. As far as I'm concerned these visas should have been eliminated this year.
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Ignorance has a cure: it's called education or I should say continuing education..:laugh:

This thread address issued concerning international students "GRADUATING FROM A US SCHOOL OF PHARMACY ".

Now, here is an idea: go voice your concern to your local congressman. Only him can help you in your quest to eliminate these damn visa. That's how you can really change things around.

I think there is thread somewhere bashing foreign grad..you r in the wrong thread my dear. but hey just my 2 cents..knock yourself out..:soexcited::soexcited:
 
I'm in the mood to complain about this so... please direct me to the H-1b bashing thread :meanie:. I honestly didn't even bother to read the intricacies of each of your 43 self posts in the thread. In your defense I actually think it is ridiculous that given that these visas exist, you are in competition with someone who did not graduate from a US school. I love how you play the "education" card. Yeah, because I think citizenship and where you were educated means something, that says I'm ignorant or "uneducated". How about "patriot" instead (can you taste that sarcasm?). I would never dream of moving to India or even Canada for that matter and expecting them to accept me as a pharmacist when I wasn't even a citizen... especially if they were doing fine. Oh by the way, my congressman just like every other congressman could care less! We all know that...
 
geez, please read the posts- everyone in this thread graduated from a US university...

I'm from australia and there is a free trade agreement between the US (therefore I get an E-3 visa if I want it) ... the americans want the agreement more than the aussies do- they benefit more

if you feel you are entitled to work less and get more because you are born somewhere than you should double check your values... im staying in america cos i love it here, i want to be american and most americans i know think like me: hard work pays off and life is fair
 
StevePerry said:
Here is an idea: IF YOU DID NOT GRADUATE FROM A US SCHOOL OF PHARMACY PLEASE STAY AND WORK IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. As far as I'm concerned these visas should have been eliminated this year.
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I realize I am an ass at times too on these forums, but come on dude. This person came to America, worked hard and got herself thru pharmacy school to become a pharmacist. You know, "The American Dream"? The only pharmacists that should be scared of her are lazy pharmacists.
 
GabonpharmD said:
I know right?..but by some loophole..a pharmD still falls into the H1B CAP..if your employer is not one of the exemptions listed. May be because it used to be a bachelor and congress is slow at updating the status..that's just pure speculation on my part. I wish I knew the answer to that one. A lawyer from a retail company A told me that we don't qualify for the OPT extension.
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Hey Kam..I got the answer to our question:

One of my BFF's husband job place (GE) had "H1B fair" where lawyers and paralegals of the company come meet foreign employees and educate them on the process and other stuff. So, my BFF brought up the question of the pharmD thing to one the lawyer. He pretty much verified what I have said in of my post above:

Because not long ago pharmD was a bachelor there is no reason for congress to change our status to higher education as long as there are still some people out there practising pharmacy with a bachelor degree. He went on to expand on the fact that nurses and some computer majors are in the same situation, the one that now have bachelor and master degree are still not technically higher education because they are still nurses and computer tech out there without thoses advance degree.

Really it depens like yatzek reminded us earlier of the institutions that you work for.

Bottom line: pharmD is an higher education degree but not in the eyes of immigration laws..sweet...can things get anymore confusing😀
 
67echo said:
I realize I am an ass at times too on these forums, but come on dude. This person came to America, worked hard and got herself thru pharmacy school to become a pharmacist. You know, "The American Dream"? The only pharmacists that should be scared of her are lazy pharmacists.
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Watch out lazy pharmacist..here I come😀. Thx

Just tryin to keep my " self thread" controversy free. But I guess some people prove they are more patriot than other by jumping an anything and everything.
 
yatzek said:
geez, please read the posts- everyone in this thread graduated from a US university...

I'm from australia and there is a free trade agreement between the US (therefore I get an E-3 visa if I want it) ... the americans want the agreement more than the aussies do- they benefit more

if you feel you are entitled to work less and get more because you are born somewhere than you should double check your values... im staying in america cos i love it here, i want to be american and most americans i know think like me: hard work pays off and life is fair
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Yeah actually I like working MORE (for example: overtime, two jobs, etc.) which is difficult to do when the market gets saturated with unnecessary bulls--- labor from outside the country. I fail to see what this has to do with work ethic. More non-US pharmacists = market saturation = less work for US pharmacists. But other than that I can see you really thought your response through. The Americans themselves do not benefit more from these agreements, the "corporations" and higher-ups do, but ask any American pharmacist -- they don't benefit at all.
Also, why don't you read my second post, if you graduated here and knew you wanted to move here, how is it that you are not approaching American citizenship?
 
67echo said:
I realize I am an ass at times too on these forums, but come on dude. This person came to America, worked hard and got herself thru pharmacy school to become a pharmacist. You know, "The American Dream"? The only pharmacists that should be scared of her are lazy pharmacists.
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Okay see my above post. More non-US labor = quicker market saturation = less work for US pharmacists (less OT, harder to find a part-time second job, etc.) and reduced/stagnant wages which leads to US pharmacists wanting even more OT. I fail to see what this has to do with being "lazy". Please, explain how wanting to work overtime or a part-time second job is being "lazy". Apparently no one on here understands basic economics? Thanks.
 
StevePerry said:
Okay see my above post. More non-US labor = quicker market saturation = less work for US pharmacists (less OT, harder to find a part-time second job, etc.) and reduced/stagnant wages which leads to US pharmacists wanting even more OT. I fail to see what this has to do with being "lazy". Please, explain how wanting to work overtime or a part-time second job is being "lazy". Apparently no one on here understands basic economics? Thanks.
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People including myself don't feel too sorry for pharmacists who earn a little less and can't find OT or a second job.
 
BMBiology said:
People including myself don't feel too sorry for pharmacists who earn a little less and can't find OT or a second job.
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Thank you BMB for reminding us where the pompous d-bag crowd stands on the matter.
 
StevePerry said:
Thank you BMB for reminding us where the pompous d-bag crowd stands on the matter.
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I am a pompous d-bag for not worrying too much about the 6 digit salary pharmacists? Some people can't even feed their children and you are so concerned about international students hurting your opportunity to get some OT? Get over yourself.
 
BMBiology said:
I am a pompous d-bag for not worrying too much about the 6 digit salary pharmacists. Some people can't even feed their children and you are so concerned about international students hurting your opportunity to get some OT? Get over yourself.
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So what, I'm supposed to be thrilled that international students can come over here and earn 6 figures (sarcasm note: 6 figures that could be going to educate and employ all those "people that can't even feed their children")? Yeah, and reference the poor people that can't feed their children, I'm sure you're so concerned that you give away 70+% of your 6 figure salary and live right above the poverty line to support those in need... you're a pompous d-bag and you know it. Take your own advice and get over yourself.
 
StevePerry said:
Yeah actually I like working MORE (for example: overtime, two jobs, etc.) which is difficult to do when the market gets saturated with unnecessary bulls--- labor from outside the country. I fail to see what this has to do with work ethic. More non-US pharmacists = market saturation = less work for US pharmacists. But other than that I can see you really thought your response through. The Americans themselves do not benefit more from these agreements, the "corporations" and higher-ups do, but ask any American pharmacist -- they don't benefit at all.
Also, why don't you read my second post, if you graduated here and knew you wanted to move here, how is it that you are not approaching American citizenship?
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so you are differentiating between US and Non-US people who have the same education in US universities, implying that being born here makes you more special and immune to competition from other hard working people... do I have to dissect how wrong that is?

We are not coming here illegally and fair competition does benefit progress.

If I could get American citizenship I would take it in a heartbeat. In order to get citizenship, you will first need a W2- a working visa sponsored by an employer, if you are lucky to get that that you can apply for a green-card in about 2 years, if you are lucky to get that you will get a green card, and after you have been on that many years you are allowed to apply for citizenship, then maybe you will get it... or you can get married... most women here find us aussies pretty attractive with the accent and all... do you think its unfair we are stealing your women too?
 
Yeah it is amazing that people out there like myself have a different philosophy than you do! Yeah, as much as you think that having you, God's Australian gift to pharmacy, in the workforce here would "benefit progress" I disagree. Wow! Yes you are right you are not coming here as an illegal, and that is respectable, I do not blame you for wanting to come here, but I mean you really think most American pharmacists (although there will be some bleeding heart rphs that were born with the silver spoon stuck up their ---es) are going to be thrilled to see you here? I mean who the hell after investing 6-8 yrs of their life on education and over 100K would want to see their OT cut, job mobility lessened, or salaries remain stagnant? I would fully expect if I moved to another country to be completely hated in addition to the system that allowed me to by their already employed professionals. Hell, if you just to move to some STATES or cities there are going to be people that were already there that will be pissed that you're cutting into their cheeeeeeeeese.

Oh and you brought up my greatest fear of all and the true reason I want to keep this country clear of foreign pharmacists -- Australian men taking our women. Truly an epidemic of maddening proportions. I'll never forget the time I came home and caught my girlfriend pleasuring herself to the Croc Hunter (oh the tears of inferiority I cried!), or when I discovered her secret shrine to the studly Young brothers from AC/DC, because we all know Australians, and only Australians, are what women truly throw their panties at. Oh yeah, you're onto me you goofy bastard.
 
There has to be a way to even out the playing field. The only part I don't agree with is that the h1b visa holders probably pay substantially less in tuition for pharmacy school as opposed to the students here who are swimming in six figure debt once they get out.

You know what this means... maybe its better for us to go to pharmacy schools in india and then apply to work here in the US? At least our student loans would be nowhere near as bad
 
jachen84 said:
The only part I don't agree with is that the h1b visa holders probably pay substantially less in tuition for pharmacy school as opposed to the students here who are swimming in six figure debt once they get out.
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It's not that I like disagreeing with you but this statement above is 100% not true.

1. H1B visa holder are done with pharmacy school, H1B visa is to work not to go to school full time, that will be F1 visa.

2.International student pay same tuition as out of state students.

3. International student are not entitled to federal student loans. I am getting out of pharmacy school without debt thanks to very very generous parents. One of my classmate is from china and I know from sure during school she was paying $25000 out of pocket a year. She won't have debt thanks to parents and husband. But trust me if I had qualify for any kind of private loan ( you need a citizen cosigner for that). I would have jump on it because the education I got was worth the debt and my parents could have done something else with their money but bailout their > 25 year old baby girl😀.

4. No H1b visa holder to be do not pay less in tuition. It's fair to the citizen because there is really no ground for us to qualify for federal student loan and private loan require a citizen cosigner. I would not want someone to come in my country get a free ride education on taxpayer money.
 
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1. H1B visa holder are done with pharmacy school, H1B visa is to work not to go to school full time, that will be F1 visa.

2.International student pay same tuition as out of state students.

3. International student are not entitled to federal student loans. I am getting out of pharmacy school without debt thanks to very very generous parents. One of my classmate is from china and I know from sure during school she was paying $25000 out of pocket a year. She won't have debt thanks to parents and husband. But trust me if I had qualify for any kind of private loan ( you need a citizen cosigner for that). I would have jump on it because the education I got was worth the debt and my parents could have done something else with their money but bailout their > 25 year old baby girl😀.

4. No H1b visa holder to be do not pay less in tuition. It's fair to the citizen because there is really no ground for us to qualify for federal student loan and private loan require a citizen cosigner. I would not want someone to come in my country get a free ride education on taxpayer money.
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i believe u have me misunderstood. my second sentence jokingly implies that maybe its better for us go to a pharmacy school in india because we can still apply to work here in the US anyway plus we'd have less student loans or as the result of having to pay substantially less in tuition.

i'm talking about foreign grads graduating foreign pharmacy schools of which they pay substantially less money to be educated overseas rather than being educated here.
 
jachen84 said:
i believe u have me misunderstood. my second sentence jokingly implies that maybe its better for us go to a pharmacy school in india because we can still apply to work here in the US anyway plus we'd have less student loans or as the result of having to pay substantially less in tuition.

i'm talking about foreign grads graduating foreign pharmacy schools of which they pay substantially less money to be educated overseas rather than being educated here.
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gottcha😀

You know it's not such a crazy idea. Some med school students actually do it. Go get your education somewhere cheaper come pass their board exams in the us= less debt and same paycheck.
 
StevePerry said:
Yeah it is amazing that people out there like myself have a different philosophy than you do! Yeah, as much as you think that having you, God's Australian gift to pharmacy, in the workforce here would "benefit progress" I disagree. Wow! Yes you are right you are not coming here as an illegal, and that is respectable, I do not blame you for wanting to come here, but I mean you really think most American pharmacists (although there will be some bleeding heart rphs that were born with the silver spoon stuck up their ---es) are going to be thrilled to see you here? I mean who the hell after investing 6-8 yrs of their life on education and over 100K would want to see their OT cut, job mobility lessened, or salaries remain stagnant? I would fully expect if I moved to another country to be completely hated in addition to the system that allowed me to by their already employed professionals. Hell, if you just to move to some STATES or cities there are going to be people that were already there that will be pissed that you're cutting into their cheeeeeeeeese.

Oh and you brought up my greatest fear of all and the true reason I want to keep this country clear of foreign pharmacists -- Australian men taking our women. Truly an epidemic of maddening proportions. I'll never forget the time I came home and caught my girlfriend pleasuring herself to the Croc Hunter (oh the tears of inferiority I cried!), or when I discovered her secret shrine to the studly Young brothers from AC/DC, because we all know Australians, and only Australians, are what women truly throw their panties at. Oh yeah, you're onto me you goofy bastard.
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looks like I will have to dissect and explain that last post:

Besides the point of competition propagating progress. Consider your beliefs. I believe every person in this world should have equal opportunities. I see human values before national belonging. It's what makes this country great, equality. I'll repeat it again- people that work harder deserve to get more (do you really not agree with this?)

Your ancestors fought and worked hard to make this a great country. American culture and values have made this a great country. Being American should make you proud. Your culture and nationalism needs to be preserved but this shouldn't involve denying equal opportunity to foreigners "aspiring to be" Americans. (After all, equality and opportunity is one of Americas values)

I think if American pharmacists gained a greater understanding of the difficulties foreigners face in immigrating here they would appreciate having quality people in the workforce. Foreign students cannot get government loans or sponsorships. Our loans are just as big if not bigger. We pay taxes whenever we work, we pay for SS that we might not even get. Jobs actually are harder to get and thats fine we accept this.

I would get mad if someone was competing with me and making my job harder but I would face the fact that maybe I am not so special and maybe need to work harder to be better.

this is my last post, I can't break it down anymore. I think you have opened my eyes more and I hope I have done some of that for you
 
yatzek said:
looks like I will have to dissect and explain that last post:

Besides the point of competition propagating progress. Consider your beliefs. I believe every person in this world should have equal opportunities. I see human values before national belonging. It's what makes this country great, equality. I'll repeat it again- people that work harder deserve to get more (do you really not agree with this?)

Your ancestors fought and worked hard to make this a great country. American culture and values have made this a great country. Being American should make you proud. Your culture and nationalism needs to be preserved but this shouldn't involve denying equal opportunity to foreigners "aspiring to be" Americans. (After all, equality and opportunity is one of Americas values)

I think if American pharmacists gained a greater understanding of the difficulties foreigners face in immigrating here they would appreciate having quality people in the workforce. Foreign students cannot get government loans or sponsorships. Our loans are just as big if not bigger. We pay taxes whenever we work, we pay for SS that we might not even get. Jobs actually are harder to get and thats fine we accept this.

I would get mad if someone was competing with me and making my job harder but I would face the fact that maybe I am not so special and maybe need to work harder to be better.

this is my last post, I can't break it down anymore. I think you have opened my eyes more and I hope I have done some of that for you
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Honestly, Australians were not the target of my initial attack (or those educated in the US). It was more those who go to school in countries virtually for free then come over here and work. You miss the point that many who employ pharmacists over here could care less about who is the best pharmacist, it is more about who can take more bulls--- and less pay. The more pharmacists there are, the more work conditions will deteriorate around the board for everyone. Simple self-protectionism. Very respectable second post on your part, best of luck with your studies and US applications.
 
GabonpharmD said:
4. No H1b visa holder to be do not pay less in tuition. It's fair to the citizen because there is really no ground for us to qualify for federal student loan and private loan require a citizen cosigner. I would not want someone to come in my country get a free ride education on taxpayer money.
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Me think you find that alot US citizen rather have RPh who speaka da English and that US citizen want RPh they can for understand when RPh have speak them.:idea:


yatzek said:
looks like I will have to dissect and explain that last post:


Your ancestors fought and worked hard to make this a great country. American culture and values have made this a great country. Being American should make you proud. Your culture and nationalism needs to be preserved but this shouldn't involve denying equal opportunity to foreigners "aspiring to be" Americans. (After all, equality and opportunity is one of Americas values)
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Most of us who have gone to pharmacy school know or are friends with someone who is not a US citizen. But that's the point isn't it!?!? They are in school with us!!! They aren't paying 10 rupees for their pharmacy degree!


The problem is the policies that allow a foreigner to complete pharmacy school in their NATIVE country and still only have to take a few tests to be a licensed RPh in the US.


I doubt George Washington envisioned a system that gives foreigners a financial advantage over US citizens. The Greatest Generation (WWII) would be rolling over in their graves if they knew about this kind of policy, and I bet most US citizens also would be pretty pissed if they knew about it.

Imagine if every Irish, Polish, German, Chinese, etc. immigrant received a $10,000 check upon arrival in the US.

Seem like a little too much opportunity?

You have me and you with $20,000-$150,000 in debt...while a foreign grad (not student) comes here and gets the same job with what? The equivalent of $0-$10,000 in debt??? I don't know all the stats and comparisons, but I'll bet there are a few foreign grads browsing these forums who could tell us just how much of an advantage they have over us Americans and those of you "aspiring to be" Americans.
 
we should just have the same rules as dentistry: if anyone wants to practice pharmacy in the USA, they have to attend or re-attend pharmacy school here, plain and simple. i don't care what color you are, the only way that you should benefit from working as a Rph in the United States is if you put your dollars (just like the rest of us) and invest your education here.

its sickening how the government continues the shaft the very people that it is supposedly working for.
 
Wow...so unemployment is certain to exceed rates not seen in a quarter-century and likely to reach rates that haven't been encountered since the 1940s...while concurrently, the sheer number of Americans who are unemployed outweighs any other recession OR depression in US History....Even the Great Depression.


U.S. unemployment could surpass 10 percent by year's end, Richard Fisher, chief executive of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, said Wednesday before the Japan Center for Economic Research in Tokyo, Japan. Fisher said there are 13.2 million people without jobs, and the nation is grappling with an 8.5 percent unemployment rate.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2009/04/06/daily35.html

....but we need Visas??? :laugh:


What exactly IS the objective of this program???


I bet some media outlets would tear this **** up. This needs some more attention.
 
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I guess if there is enough US citizen pharmacist they can take over my spot!
Oh wait, maybe not!

Build more schools? wait... Nooo too many pharmacists graduate every year; they going to cut my salary and the work conditions gonna get worse waaaawaaaawaaaaaaaah /panic /slits wrist.... -.- and the cycle goes on :x
 
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Momus said:
I guess if there is enough US citizen pharmacist they can take over my spot!
Oh wait, maybe not!

Build more schools? wait... Nooo too many pharmacists graduate every year; they going to cut my salary and the work conditions gonna get worse waaaawaaaawaaaaaaaah /panic /slits wrist.... -.- and the cycle goes on :x
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Fair enough...just don't complain when patients talk **** to you because of your broken English.
 
******USCIS Updates Count of FY2010 H-1B Petition Filings

WASHINGTON April 9, 2009 — USCIS announced an updated number of filings for H-1B petitions for the fiscal year 2010 program.

USCIS has received approximately 42,000 H-1B petitions counting toward the Congressionally-mandated 65,000 cap. The agency continues to accept petitions subject to the general cap.

Additionally, the agency has received approximately 20,000 petitions for aliens with advanced degrees; however, we continue to accept advanced degree petitions since experience has shown that not all petitions received are approvable. Congress mandated that the first 20,000 of these types of petitions are exempt from any fiscal year cap on available H-1B visas.

For cases filed for premium processing during the initial five-day filing window, the 15-day premium processing period began April 7. For cases filed for premium processing after the filing window, the premium processing period begins on the date USCIS takes physical possession of the petition.

USCIS will provide regular updates as the processing of FY2010 H-1B petitions continue.*********

I should hear about my petition around April 22-23rd..yay me:luck:
 
FORTLIVINGROOM said:
Fair enough...just don't complain when patients talk **** to you because of your broken English.
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Usually when people run out of arguments that's like the pacifier to suck on that makes them feel better about themselves. My english is better than your english..na na nah...therefore I am a better pharmacist than you.

Well my friends that is BS. I've worked in pharmacies for the last 15 years. From my experience that people usually talk *** to pharmacists they perceive as being incompetent for many reasons regardless of their accent: refuse to give them their lortab early, for insurance issues, refuse to fill a phone-in percocet.

Today, a patient snapped at me because her copay for Tobradex generic was $72 ( she probably had some kind of deductible to meet). Well we can argue that my accent made the $72 sound like a lot of money, I should have asked one of my coworker to come tell her the price with a " non accent" english I bet she would have paid for it.

I am yet to see a study linking accent of a pharmacist to patient satisfaction level with the quality of service they received or to medication error among pharmacists. MDs don't try to belittle their colleagues because of their accent.Can't we just do the same thing and get over it..

The bottom line is: citing one accent does not make you win the argument...but eh..just my 2 cents in my broken english that nobody can't read anyway...:laugh:
 
GabonpharmD said:
Usually when people run out of arguments that's like the pacifier to suck on that makes them feel better about themselves. My english is better than your english..na na nah...therefore I am a better pharmacist than you.

Well my friends that is BS. I've worked in pharmacies for the last 15 years. From my experience that people usually talk *** to pharmacists they perceive as being incompetent for many reasons regardless of their accent: refuse to give them their lortab early, for insurance issues, refuse to fill a phone-in percocet.

Today, a patient snapped at me because her copay for Tobradex generic was $72 ( she probably had some kind of deductible to meet). Well we can argue that my accent made the $72 sound like a lot of money, I should have asked one of my coworker to come tell her the price with a " non accent" english I bet she would have paid for it.

I am yet to see a study linking accent of a pharmacist to patient satisfaction level with the quality of service they received or to medication error among pharmacists. MDs don't try to belittle their colleagues because of their accent.Can't we just do the same thing and get over it..

The bottom line is: citing one accent does not make you win the argument...but eh..just my 2 cents in my broken english that nobody can't read anyway...:laugh:
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I'd be shocked if they ever did a study on this... wow, and if they reported a lower satisfaction level with an accent, I can imagine a ton of liberals with their panties in a bunch over it... Honestly though, I don't know how your English is in spoken form personally, but any retail pharmacist that doesn't speak broken English will tell you how many complaints they hear about the other rph's that do speak broken English, regardless of their intelligence or competence level. It is usually more in the form of "Oh, we actually have an American pharmacist today" or "Wow, I can understand you, how nice", and it does give you more leeway in certain circumstances with something like the copay issue before a customer is flipping out (although not always).
The one's you really want to slap are the doctors that can't speak a lick of English, or apparently SPELL either and then get offended when you ask them 10 times what the hell they said. Anyone else have this problem? M's and N's are the same, E's and I's are the same to them. I don't care how good of a doctor they are, there is no room for them in the US healthcare system.
 
GabonpharmD said:
so my Tobradex lady snapped because of my accent.not because of her bad insurance. Man is you for real?:laugh: ( just sound funnier than saying
'are you"
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Man, does you understand context (for example: "more leeway" and "although not always". They must not teach that over there!
 
GabonpharmD said:
Usually when people run out of arguments that's like the pacifier to suck on that makes them feel better about themselves. My english is better than your english..na na nah...therefore I am a better pharmacist than you.
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There's not much to argue about. Look at the facts and the historical figures for unemployment in the US...the unemployment rate is already reaching and virtually guranteed to pass historic highs of the last 60 years; while the number of Americans unemployed is the MOST IN US HISTORY!!!

Just wait until the class of 2009 floods the market. We'll see how much you are needed in the next few months.

From my experience that people usually talk *** to pharmacists they perceive as being incompetent for many reasons regardless of their accent: refuse to give them their lortab early, for insurance issues, refuse to fill a phone-in percocet.
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Like Steve said, patients will welcome a RPh who can communicate effectively vs. one who cannot use plural nouns correctly. Like the gentleman who thanked me for stepping in and showing him an OTC product after several miscommunications and attempts at English by the RPh.
 
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