Health Care Bill........

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oh how I can't wait to take this girl's residency seat :cool:

? what? you're upset by my honesty? i don't know about you, but i've been busting my butt to make it to med school. i have a high standard of living and would like to earn my own money as an adult and continue to keep those standards. med school seemed like the perfect way, so what's your deal? it's my choice, and now i would like to make an informed decision regarding whether or not i should bother finishing up pre-reqs and volunteering, etc or if i should focus on something else.


thanks to everyone else who replied. i think i'm going to ask some profs who teach about this area at my school and see what they think. if they say anything interesting, i'll report back. otherwise i'll probably just keep stalking this (and other healthcare bill threads). thanks again for your input.

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di dyou guys hear the famous baby killer its all over

he is claiming that he yelled, "it is a baby killer" in regard to the bill. in his defense he is actually right. Stupak should know that an executive order will not hold up to federal law....and that the only way to have guaranteed that tax dollars don't go to abortions would be to have it clearly outlined within the bill (what he fought for for 3 months), but he caved for some deal. another lie....and a bad one at that
 
3). But what should worry us most is the big picture: Just like anything else the government does, it is always WAY more expensive in real life than it is on paper. If this spending continues, In 10 years the government is going to be paying 800,000,000,000 a year just in interest!!!! Do you realize how robust the economy has to be to support that kind of payment? Defiantly not robust enough with all this government takeover. So basically, all these socialist-like policies being implemented will bankrupt the US beyond repair, and the dollar will crash. At that point it doesn't matter what profession your in, we are all screwed :).

Word. At some point, the Chinese loan sharks are going to stop lending...after the bailout, California, and what happened in Greece, this bill is serious cause for worry.
 
Simple question...will this Healthcare Reform law needs more or less dentist?

My guess is increase for a little bit, but maybe tougher since many MD/DO students will be efflux out of med and influx into dentistry?
 
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? what? you're upset by my honesty? i don't know about you, but i've been busting my butt to make it to med school. i have a high standard of living and would like to earn my own money as an adult and continue to keep those standards. med school seemed like the perfect way, so what's your deal? it's my choice, and now i would like to make an informed decision regarding whether or not i should bother finishing up pre-reqs and volunteering, etc or if i should focus on something else.


thanks to everyone else who replied. i think i'm going to ask some profs who teach about this area at my school and see what they think. if they say anything interesting, i'll report back. otherwise i'll probably just keep stalking this (and other healthcare bill threads). thanks again for your input.


well, an informed decision would be for you to go read the entire bill and make your own decision based off what you think will happen...not what PRE-DENTS on SDN think about the bill. The question is what do YOU THINK...not what do we think and what do your professors think. As a doctor in the future you will have to make plenty of decisions on your own without going to forums for advice. Good luck
 
? what? you're upset by my honesty? i don't know about you, but i've been busting my butt to make it to med school. i have a high standard of living and would like to earn my own money as an adult and continue to keep those standards. med school seemed like the perfect way, so what's your deal? it's my choice, and now i would like to make an informed decision regarding whether or not i should bother finishing up pre-reqs and volunteering, etc or if i should focus on something else.


thanks to everyone else who replied. i think i'm going to ask some profs who teach about this area at my school and see what they think. if they say anything interesting, i'll report back. otherwise i'll probably just keep stalking this (and other healthcare bill threads). thanks again for your input.
If you are in it for the money...then you should be working in the drug company as the HR has a loop hole in allowing them to set the price said one of the doctor working at kaiser. With the additional increase in 30+ Million patients coverage, they will get very rich by the end of the the project (10 yr later).
 
Read the bill...I'm sure no one in congress did but after you read it then make an informed decision. I do think this is another way we are rewarding mediocrity...
 
i'm sorry buddy....but i am not going to be told i have to buy something, and i am definitely not going to tell my neighbor that he has to do it.

if you say......."well it is for your own good and that of the nation" well boo hoo. what next are you going to tell me that i have to buy a gym membership.

Omg, are you serious?! The government is forcing us to pay for stuff that we don't want to pay for? I was doing a little research and found that those bastards have been doing this for years now!!! We need to tell those damn sob politicians to stop making us pay for all of the roads we use, those idiot inspectors that check our water supply, and those no good FDA jerks that tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies. God! the balls those guys have to tell us what to do! :rolleyes:
 
Insurance should not be run for profit? Are you kidding me? Its a business... Should by Dental Practice be Not-For Profit?
 
just because you don't have insurance does not mean you are not treated.... they can't send you away. No matter what cost and if you can not afford it there are ways to do it. OBAMACare will not be sustainable...
 
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longhorn;

you obviously assume health care to be a right provided to you by the taxpayers. you also seem to consider the personal health of an individual to be similar to that of social infrastructure and should therefore be regulated by the government. I guess my point is that once governement has their hand in providing your health insurance expect their input on your health. what am i saying "expect" for, they have already capped the use of salt in new york restaurants.

the government has a job to play in our lives and the main duty is to stay out of it. roads and water supply are a poor comparison to a health insurance mandate.
 
Look at it this way- the less people spend at the doctor's office, the more they can afford a trip to the dentist. Maybe some porcelain veneers, right, right??? :D
 
Look at it this way- the less people spend at the doctor's office, the more they can afford a trip to the dentist. Maybe some porcelain veneers, right, right??? :D
True, until the government takes you guys over ^_^
 
haji, those statements coexist in perfect harmony.......If my neighbor was stricken with an aggressive case of cancer and i could help...I would try to do my part. if a young girl was hit by a drunk driver the town would raise money for her and her family.......

But i am sick of hearing of my tax dollars paying for alcoholic's liver transplants and severely obese individual's gastric bypass and quadruple bypass. Like you said....I already pay for enough of it.....I don't need to ensure the rest of them. Right now those higher risk individuals pay higher premiums....if they sought out wellness programs and improved their health they could lower them......but this bill simply (as i already stated) subsidizes it for them by taxing.


and before i say anymore.......I do respect and appreciate the opinions of everyone on here and am glad that a fair amount are actually engaged in the concerns of this country.

i'm sorry buddy....but i am not going to be told i have to buy something, and i am definitely not going to tell my neighbor that he has to do it.

if you say......."well it is for your own good and that of the nation" well boo hoo. what next are you going to tell me that i have to buy a gym membership.

I completely agree, and simply see this as another step in the rampant intrusion of big government and corporations into the daily happenings of my life. Most starkly is my car insurance. I'm legally required to have insurance to operate a vehicle in my state. Who are the people that run my state to say that I present a liability to other drivers? They don't know anything about me. I've never caused an accident in the 10 years I've been driving, and I am appalled that my insurance premiums have been going to pay for drunk drivers, speeders, old people that don't belong on the road, and cell phone/text-and-drivers. If I actually wanted car insurance I'd buy it, and I definitely wouldn't make my neighbor insure his unmaintained, squeaky-brake, bare-tired 12-yr-old camry driven by his 16-year-old son, or make my hot-rodding, speed-limit-ignorant other neighbor insure his.

If I had my car suddenly stolen and stripped, I wouldnt depend on some corporate handout to compensate me for my loss, but should expect my community to chip in and help me recover from my transportation-handicapped state so that I may continue to be a contributing member of society.

Well it's for the good and safety of the community. boo hoo. Next you're going to tell me I have to have health insurance. and buy a gym membership.

Keep the debate alive.
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longhorn;

you obviously assume health care to be a right provided to you by the taxpayers. you also seem to consider the personal health of an individual to be similar to that of social infrastructure and should therefore be regulated by the government. I guess my point is that once governement has their hand in providing your health insurance expect their input on your health. what am i saying "expect" for, they have already capped the use of salt in new york restaurants.

the government has a job to play in our lives and the main duty is to stay out of it. roads and water supply are a poor comparison to a health insurance mandate.

Look, the way I look at it is that too much or too little government are a bad thing. Now, the terms too much and too little are very subjective. I think that a mandate would be the only way to bring down costs for everyone. The role of the government is to ensure the protection, well being, and progress of its citizens. Obviously healthcare falls into this.

I live in Texas, where we are required by law to carry car insurance. Yes, the good old republican state of Texas requires us to carry car insurance. I actually think it is a good thing, as if someone hit my car, I know I will not be left paying the bill. Similarly, if everyone has health insurance, the hospitals will not charge me as much as they do now for their services, as their bills will always be paid and not passed on to others.

As for this bill - I am fine with it. It is nowhere near perfect, but no laws are. Over time, I think corrections will be made to fix it. The only gripe I have is with the whole mid level providers that will be introduced into dentistry :mad:
 
3). But what should worry us most is the big picture: Just like anything else the government does, it is always WAY more expensive in real life than it is on paper. If this spending continues, In 10 years the government is going to be paying 800,000,000,000 a year just in interest!!!! Do you realize how robust the economy has to be to support that kind of payment? Defiantly not robust enough with all this government takeover. So basically, all these socialist-like policies being implemented will bankrupt the US beyond repair, and the dollar will crash. At that point it doesn't matter what profession your in, we are all screwed :).

That's the big difference between us and the socialists in europe. We have a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th mortgage on our future. We simply can't sustain the spending and at the same time add another massive entitlement.

The impact on dentistry is the least of my worries. I am more concerned with the impact on our economy as a whole. Insolvency and the gutting of our military is coming down the track full speed ahead.

As you put it, we are all screwed. Might as well just :)
 
That's the big difference between us and the socialists in europe. We have a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th mortgage on our future. We simply can't sustain the spending and at the same time add another massive entitlement.

The impact on dentistry is the least of my worries. I am more concerned with the impact on our economy as a whole. Insolvency and the gutting of our military is coming down the track full speed ahead.

I agree.
 
The impact on dentistry is the least of my worries. I am more concerned with the impact on our economy as a whole. Insolvency and the gutting of our military is coming down the track full speed ahead.

As you put it, we are all screwed. Might as well just :)
If there were more people like you in this country, we wouldn't be in this mess. However, the unfortunate reality is that everyone is concerned with "me, me, me!" With everybody yanking at the purse and telling big brother to make their lives easier, the politicians are happy to oblige so that they can (a) maintain their position of power (b) expand their powers through creating a dependent electorate.

The greed that came from the development of our luxurious lifestyle as Americans will become the death of us. And, the massive influx of people who love the "free services" our government provides while producing no real wealth for the country are only hastening the process.
 
To our chagrin, the sun did come up yesterday and today. Oh well. There is always tomorrow.
 
Of course, taxation isn't fun but if those taxes are being used to prevent insurance companies from denying someone care for breast cancer after digging through their medical history to find something trivial to base a rejection off of, I say go for it and I'd hope you would too.


Amen! There's a fence... I happen to be on the side of the fence that believes that if we are in a position to help, we should. I understand that we shouldn't give anything away for free (that's difficult to police anyhow), but I come from a family that own a restaurant. My parents break their asses every day and are struggling to pay for health care as they age and now NEED that care. I'll sure as hell pitch some cash in to that cause and for the cause of every one of your parents that might be facing the same issue.

That's why I get so pissed off when someone tells me they're against any reform because "it's my money and I worked hard for it!" Those are the same people that probably told their Dental school interviewer that they want to help people... :smuggrin:
 
That's the big difference between us and the socialists in europe. We have a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th mortgage on our future. We simply can't sustain the spending and at the same time add another massive entitlement.

The impact on dentistry is the least of my worries. I am more concerned with the impact on our economy as a whole. Insolvency and the gutting of our military is coming down the track full speed ahead.

As you put it, we are all screwed. Might as well just :)

Since when did military become cheap? Don't you think those extra mortgages that you speak of are partly a result of the "major home renovations" that the last administration did in the middle east? C'mon, at least we're trying to protect some people on US soil.
 
Since when did military become cheap? Don't you think those extra mortgages that you speak of are partly a result of the "major home renovations" that the last administration did in the middle east? C'mon, at least we're trying to protect some people on US soil.

Please don't confuse an argument against irresponsible spending with an argument in support of irresponsible war waging. But since you brought it up, there are clear parallels that can be drawn between "they have weapons of mass destruction" and "this will be deficit neutral". Both were drawn on faulty intelligence and some would say outright deceit.

Further, the major home renovations will eventually come to an end in the middle east. A new government entitlement will (as evidenced by social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, etc.) stick around a bit longer.

My point is that when the money well runs dry and we can't sell bonds... the party is over- regardless of what the money is spent on and/or how good it makes some people feel to spend it on their fellow Americans.
 
...i don't want to pay for the health care of the overweight, diabetic smokers of this country.....sounds ugly but it is true.

I understand your point...but let me ask you this: what if somebody falls off a ladder, falls and breaks his arm, or any other freak accident? You are absolutely right that people should be responsible for their health by maintaining a healthy lifestyle.

But unhealthy lifestyles are not the ONLY reason people end up in the hospital. Some are the victims of accidents, some are genetically predispositioned to get a certain disease. Now say you have a person who is making $40k a year, and he has to choose between feeding his children or getting healthcare...what do you think the person is going to choose? Obviously he's going to forgo health insurance in order to make ends meet. Now say this same person falls and breaks his back...then what does he do? Get stuck with a $30k bill that he can't pay?

Once again, there is more to this debate than just being responsible for your own health. This is an equation with many complex parts, and you only touched on one of them while neglecting other crucial aspects.

For the record, I don't like entitlement programs, but I feel that health care is a different type of beast. We have to be delicate when dealing with peoples' health. No system is perfect, but there ARE good systems...I would say our last system was not as good as it could have been.

As for this new bill, I have no clue how it will play out. But one thing I refuse to do is speculate and spread fear without proof, evidence, or experience in this issue (which is what most of the posters on this thread are doing)...only time will tell.
 
LOL WHAT ALL OF U GUYS ARE MISSING IS THIS: how exactly are people going to be able to use this public insurance? whether it is set up as low premium/high deductible or high premium/low deductible or low premium/low deductible WILL dictate whether this thing is a waste...ppl could waste their insurance and go to the doctor just for some minor thing..which is a WASTE of taxpayer dollars
 
I mentioned it before and I'll say it again.....I wish we had passed a bill that actually did something to target the high health care costs that we are facing. Unfortunately this bill does little to do that, and instead takes part in what I consider to be class warfare. Those vast taxes that are being implemented are being used to subsidize the premiums of people making below a certain amount....because actual costs aren't lowered, they are just payed for by others.

I didn't support this bill for the fact that it is going to increase the deficit (I really do not believe the CBO #'s....I am not the only one) and the fact that it in general redistributes wealth.

I'll admit that the argument whether health care should be a necessity or not is a delicate one, certainly one that is difficult to answer. But do not compare it to car insurance...which is required solely because you drive a car. When you get behind the wheel you pose a danger and need to be insured. This mandate essentially requires you to get health insurance for simply breathing.

I've also wondered if the premiums of individuals will be at all rated on the basis of their health? Should a person who engages in a healthy diet and active lifestyle be subject to the same rate of one who does little to care for themselves but rather harms their body through smoking and poor diet?

This is where I know I'll stir some controversy.....but all the sad stories we hear of families and individuals going bankrupt due to health care costs are definitely heartbreaking but in some way part of life. Don't get me wrong, if I see Washington or anyone else propose a way of taking care of our population without exploding the deficit, ruining our access to care or further increasing the taxes of upper class I would gladly support it. But I do wonder since we now consider it unacceptable to allow our citizens to get sick, if next we will want to ensure that everyone has a job. Again....I sympathize but I don't like the Utopian viewpoint because in excess it leads to overbearing governments, practicing socialist ideals.

sorry for the length......
 
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A short article on the CBO assumptions and why we're not insane to question them.

WASHINGTON -- One big reason the Congressional Budget Office projects that federal budget deficits would drop by $138 billion over the next decade under the Democrats' pending health care overhaul is that the bill includes a tax on high-end insurance policies. That alone accounts for almost 25 percent of the expected savings.
However, the tax wouldn't go into effect until 2018, and experts warn that's a very shaky assumption.
"How can anyone have confidence this will go into effect?" asked Paul Ginsburg, the president of the Center for Studying Health System Change, a Washington research group.
The tax was so unpopular this year that Democrats basically gutted its initial version, then postponed its impact for eight years. Now opponents have eight years to lobby for its full repeal by a future Congress.
The tax estimate is part of the preliminary analysis from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, a report that Democrats are using to trumpet their plan's deficit savings and to persuade fiscal conservatives to vote for the bill. Analysts warn, however, that it's based on several highly uncertain assumptions.
"CBO is the most trusted analysis out there, but everything they say, you should take with a humongous grain of salt," said Marc Goldwein, policy director of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a Washington budget watchdog group.
After all, former CBO Director Rudolph Penner said, "Any CBO estimate involving human behavior and social programs is very hard to figure."
It's tough because of legislative items such as these in the revamped health bill:
Medicare and other government health programs:
The legislation assumes nearly $500 billion in 10-year savings from curbing waste, fraud and abuse and changing the way that health care providers such as doctors and hospitals are paid.
It also assumes that the plan to cut physician payments by 21 percent this year remains in effect, although Congress has a long history of canceling scheduled pay cuts to doctors.
The CBO knows that, but it can analyze legislation only as it's presented. It can't make a judgment that politicians are almost certain to change the legislation before it takes effect. Therefore, its analysis shows some budget savings that are unlikely to happen.
Republicans say the savings are artificial, since the doctors' pay cut is expected to be canceled. Democrats counter that the bill would make up the difference with other savings by inducing more efficiency in the system, but analysts are skeptical.
"The question is will providers try to improve efficiency or come back to Congress to get their payments raised?" asked Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, another Washington budget watchdog group.
Excise tax:
The Senate had sought to impose a tax on high-end insurance policies starting in 2013. Labor unions balked, and the final version delays the tax's implementation until 2018 and raises the income levels on what can be taxed.
The changes dramatically reduced the amount of likely revenue -- from $149 billion in the Senate bill to $32 billion now, and analysts doubt that even that may be realized.
Long-term care insurance:
Some $70 billion is counted as savings from including a new long-term care program in the legislation. Participants would pay premiums into the program for years before they entered the system, building up the fund, but the premiums would be spent in the future to pay benefits, so how's that a savings?
In addition, premiums and benefits are supposed to adjust automatically to match each other, but what if the program's income falls short, Goldwein asks. Politicians are unlikely to cut back on promised long-term care if funds run short, history suggests; instead, they're more likely to spend more money.
"A lot of people have interpreted the [long-term care program] as setting up the next major entitlement," Ginsburg said.
Subsidies:
The CBO assumes that the bill's changes -- in Medicaid, the state-federal program for lower-income people; in the government's children's health program; and in subsidies for people who need help to pay premiums -- would cost $940 billion over 10 years. That's all supposed to be offset by the measure's tax increases and spending cuts.
Goldwein cites several variables that could change all the numbers, however: No one knows how many people will be working over the next 10 years, which would affect whether they have insurance through their employers. Further, no one can say how much health care will cost, who will get sick and so on.
Even top Democrats concede that the CBO's numbers are best guesses.
"They're neutral and they're well qualified," said House Budget Committee Chairman John Spratt, a South Carolina Democrat. "But quite a few things have to be judgmental. It's a tough business."

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/03/congressional_budget_offices_h.html
 
Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs



enough said.

He was speaking out against Medicare! Try taking that away from the cold dead arthritic hands of a senior citizen today . Imagine what private insurance will cost today without Medicare. All those old folks in the risk pool...all those payouts without being some "x" percentage of Medicare rates.
 
I mentioned it before and I'll say it again.....I wish we had passed a bill that actually did something to target the high health care costs that we are facing. Unfortunately this bill does little to do that, and instead takes part in what I consider to be class warfare. Those vast taxes that are being implemented are being used to subsidize the premiums of people making below a certain amount....because actual costs aren't lowered, they are just payed for by others.

I didn't support this bill for the fact that it is going to increase the deficit (I really do not believe the CBO #'s....I am not the only one) and the fact that it in general redistributes wealth.

I'll admit that the argument whether health care should be a necessity or not is a delicate one, certainly one that is difficult to answer. But do not compare it to car insurance...which is required solely because you drive a car. When you get behind the wheel you pose a danger and need to be insured. This mandate essentially requires you to get health insurance for simply breathing.

I've also wondered if the premiums of individuals will be at all rated on the basis of their health? Should a person who engages in a healthy diet and active lifestyle be subject to the same rate of one who does little to care for themselves but rather harms their body through smoking and poor diet?

This is where I know I'll stir some controversy.....but all the sad stories we hear of families and individuals going bankrupt due to health care costs are definitely heartbreaking but in some way part of life. Don't get me wrong, if I see Washington or anyone else propose a way of taking care of our population without exploding the deficit, ruining our access to care or further increasing the taxes of upper class I would gladly support it. But I do wonder since we now consider it unacceptable to allow our citizens to get sick, if next we will want to ensure that everyone has a job. Again....I sympathize but I don't like the Utopian viewpoint because in excess it leads to overbearing governments, practicing socialist ideals.

sorry for the length......

When you get behind a car, the insurance is there to cover the costs for the other person. Does a person pose a danger? Yes, but the reason it is mandated is so that the other person is not left holding the bill for your fault. Similarly, I do not want to have to pay for the care of those who do not pay for their hospital visits by paying so much for my insurance premiums. Why should my premiums cost more just because the hospital decided to bill me to cover the costs of those that did not pay? I would rather have them buy insurance too so that the hospital does not bill my insurance company a huge amount that is passed to me.

I can tell you from first hand experience that the upper class does not pay much in taxes. Most people in the upper class have businesses, trusts, etc. that allow them to legally pay less taxes. The people that really get hurt are the ones who make a salary that falls into the $200,000 -$500,000 area. I just wanted to make this point, because those who are really well off get away with paying less than what the income tax bracket states. This all being said, I am in favor of a flat tax with no exemptions whatsoever.

As for the matter of the deficit. Yes, I am sure over time this will not be a budget neutral bill. However, I am so amazed by all the outcry about us going broke - did we just figure this out this year? I did not hear about all this anger when we were going to war without paying for it and giving tax cuts without paying for them. I would consider myself fiscally conservative, but I also understand that the government has a role in the well being of it's citizens.
 
When you get behind a car, the insurance is there to cover the costs for the other person. Does a person pose a danger? Yes, but the reason it is mandated is so that the other person is not left holding the bill for your fault. Similarly, I do not want to have to pay for the care of those who do not pay for their hospital visits by paying so much for my insurance premiums. Why should my premiums cost more just because the hospital decided to bill me to cover the costs of those that did not pay? I would rather have them buy insurance too so that the hospital does not bill my insurance company a huge amount that is passed to me.

I can tell you from first hand experience that the upper class does not pay much in taxes. Most people in the upper class have businesses, trusts, etc. that allow them to legally pay less taxes. The people that really get hurt are the ones who make a salary that falls into the $200,000 -$500,000 area. I just wanted to make this point, because those who are really well off get away with paying less than what the income tax bracket states. This all being said, I am in favor of a flat tax with no exemptions whatsoever.

As for the matter of the deficit. Yes, I am sure over time this will not be a budget neutral bill. However, I am so amazed by all the outcry about us going broke - did we just figure this out this year? I did not hear about all this anger when we were going to war without paying for it and giving tax cuts without paying for them. I would consider myself fiscally conservative, but I also understand that the government has a role in the well being of it's citizens.

It is most certainly true that hospitals pass on costs.....but this bill isn't making that person pay for insurance but rather those individuals that you identified as being hit with the new taxes. it would be nice if we can get everyone insured but not like this.

In regards to the taxes....we have a greater percentage of our population not paying taxes than ever, and with another entitlement program you wonder at what point will everyone realize that once the majority is living off of the minority there is no turning back.....because you will never see the day that a person paying no taxes and receiving entitlements votes for anything but more taxes and more entitlements.

The deficit jumped into everyone's mind for many reasons and one is that we are reaching a point in which our debt is going to reach a percentage of our GDP that makes recovering difficult. Yes it would have been great to realize this sooner, yes it is time we get out of other countries (wanted ron paul) but don't fault us for finally waking up.

On a side note, if it had not been for the war the previous administration might have run a surplus. It is counter intuitive but history has shown that cutting taxes actually raises revenue since it generates more wealth (and guess who pays taxes).
 
The way our country is going, I don't know whether to work harder than ever or run the car in the garage for a couple hours.
 
The way our country is going, I don't know whether to work harder than ever or run the car in the garage for a couple hours.

lol, don't do it housie! you got to hang in there and work harder like you said, channel the frustration into something worthwhile, take it out on the DAT/MCAT or whatever test you'll take!
 
lol, don't do it housie! you got to hang in there and work harder like you said, channel the frustration into something worthwhile, take it out on the DAT/MCAT or whatever test you'll take!

Ha, thanks for the encouragement:)
 
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