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Out of curiosity what are the opinions of the residents and attendings around regarding a nationalized form of health care? How do you think a national health care system will affect podiatry and why? Also, what do you think we should do to establish the profession of podiatry to positively benefit from this potential restructuring of health care financing?

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Out of curiosity what are the opinions of the residents and attendings around regarding a nationalized form of health care? How do you think a national health care system will affect podiatry and why? Also, what do you think we should do to establish the profession of podiatry to positively benefit from this potential restructuring of health care financing?

Nationalized health will not happen in this country for a variety of reasons. It is politicized because it gets good press, but behind the scenes, physicians know that people out there will not want to wait for their diagnosis. We live in an instant gratification time and nationalization of the health care will take that away.
The pendulum needs to swing away from insurance companies raking in the money and shift to allowing more coverage at fairer prices for everyone. IMHO.
 
Nationalized health will not happen in this country for a variety of reasons. It is politicized because it gets good press, but behind the scenes, physicians know that people out there will not want to wait for their diagnosis. We live in an instant gratification time and nationalization of the health care will take that away.
The pendulum needs to swing away from insurance companies raking in the money and shift to allowing more coverage at fairer prices for everyone. IMHO.

very well said again-i guess this might be a dumb question but where did you go to school?
 
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very well said again-i guess this might be a dumb question but where did you go to school?
SportPOD never actually went to school. He's so old they grandfathered him in figuring he's about to retire anyway.
 
SportPOD never actually went to school. He's so old they grandfathered him in figuring he's about to retire anyway.

That's kind of true, Nat. Actually I did get my diploma, I stepped in for you during graduation. You were out tearing it up on the trails. :laugh:
 
Not trying to turn this into a political discussion, but the democrats keep talking about nationalized healthcare...you say this will never happen. Are they just talking?
 
Not trying to turn this into a political discussion, but the democrats keep talking about nationalized healthcare...you say this will never happen. Are they just talking?
In a word: yes. They are just talking, and that's what politicians do best... act as glorified salesmen and PR people.

Nationalized healtcare won't work in the US... heck, it doesn't really work that well in countries where it's the mainstay (Australia, Europe, Canada, etc). Doctors lose virtually all incentive to work hard in socialized medicine... why would they want to work had when other MDs are working 9-5 and making almost the same $? Patients are then stuck in the waiting game unless they are going to literally die from their pathology in the very near future. Sport POD made great points: Americans will not wait a year to get their hallux limitus, bunion, etc fixed. They won't.

Even in the event that the US did somehow go to nationalized healthcare (again... won't happen), pod is an important service people need and will pay cash for. If Americans knew they could use their US Healthcare card to pay for 75% of their bunion, ankle clean-up, heel pain, child's flatfoot, etc procedure/workup IF they will sit and wait 12-18months until there is a doc available (again, socialized medicine promotes lazy docs), then quite a few of those patients would say "forget this" and just shell out the $1k-5k cash to just get it done now.

Saying the US will go to nationalized healthcare is a joke and easy answer IMHO. Those darn dems don't have an quality answer for anything, so they just keep repeating "George Bush did a bad job... we need change! Vote dem." :D
You will see it more when you get into clinic and hospital rotations, but a very high % of doctors usually vote GOP for a reason. :cool:
 
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If I decide to go to podiatry school, I hope there are more students with attitudes like yours, Feli! :thumbup:
 
IMO many physicians who're against the development of a nationalized health system fail to see the benefits for all. It would prevent stupid errors, mandate a standard format for EMR, and improve the quality of care. For those of you who seem to think you've got the entire health care system figured out, can you even tell me if the US has high quality care and why? Health care in this country has failed to keep up with other knowledge based professions to make excellent outcomes consistent occurrences. My skis are made with more QA/QC than you'll ever encounter as a surgeon! If you think you'd be working 9-5 as a NHS doc, you're dead wrong, and you'll still be paid what you're worth too. If physician reimbursments fall disproprotionately, you won't get people enough people to fill the specialist training spots, or even generalist training spots. Please read about the ramifications of a nationalized health care plan instead of having a knee jerk response to it. BTW the solo practice model in medicine is a dinosaur model and I'm amazed it's how a great deal of DPM's still run their practices.
 
IMO many physicians who're against the development of a nationalized health system fail to see the benefits for all. It would prevent stupid errors, mandate a standard format for EMR, and improve the quality of care. For those of you who seem to think you've got the entire health care system figured out, can you even tell me if the US has high quality care and why? Health care in this country has failed to keep up with other knowledge based professions to make excellent outcomes consistent occurrences. My skis are made with more QA/QC than you'll ever encounter as a surgeon! If you think you'd be working 9-5 as a NHS doc, you're dead wrong, and you'll still be paid what you're worth too. If physician reimbursments fall disproprotionately, you won't get people enough people to fill the specialist training spots, or even generalist training spots. Please read about the ramifications of a nationalized health care plan instead of having a knee jerk response to it. BTW the solo practice model in medicine is a dinosaur model and I'm amazed it's how a great deal of DPM's still run their practices.
I hate talking politics, but answer me this:

Why are so many physicians from from countries with nationalized healthcare countries applying for American rotations, student visas, residencies, fellowship spots, or even practitioner licenses here in the US, then? Because we have the best country in the world, and it's a democratic, capitalist economy. I honestly don't see many US students lining up to go train abroad (unless they couldn't get accepted to medical programs here). No, our healthcare system isn't 100% perfect, but QA/QC isn't really possible in medicine/surgery because new literature and innovations arrive daily (quite literally)... procedure inventions, new meds, orthobiologics and bioengineered alternative tissues, genomic project advances, etc etc etc.

For foot and ankle training, publications, and overall standards of care, I would contend that the US is at or near the top in the world. Once you get into pod school/residency, a simple look at the literature will tell you that. Germany (read Orthopade, etc), Scandanavia (Acta Orthopaedica, etc), Switzerland (AO/Synthes group, etc), and a couple other countries are right up there with us, but it's also easier to get new implants, products, etc over there since their government regulations aren't as stringent as the American FDA. Regardless, the USA is are clearly among the world leaders for F&A, so our pod training, practice models, etc are apparently working out ok, don't you think?

FYI, there is already a microcosm of socialized medicine in the US: it's called VAMCs (vet admin medical centers). Guess what? There are some great physicians in them, but the salary system does promote 9-5 docs, slow OR turnover times, lots of waiting for patients to get procedures they need, etc. There are also tons of resources - both staff and materials - wasted in the VAs just as there are in the public hospitals and the private sector. Facts of life.
 
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I acknowledge the fact that new treatment options arrive quite frequently, however, the idea that QA/QC can't be introduced into the OR is ludicrous. Very few novel treatments come out with the frequency you'd like to believe, furthermore they're transfer to the beside typically takes a while unless its something like an AIDS vaccine. Anyone who adopts the latest treatment without comparing it to the other currently accepted treatments is stupid. Why do really think the US waits for the europeans to develope new orthopeadic implants? Why do you think it took quite a while for laparoscopy to become the standard of care for most abdominal surgery? I assure it isn't because we lack engineers to design the implants. There are always ways to mandate a consistent quality of outcome based certain criteria. There are metrics that exist that do this. Something even more mundane like a computer based checklist for a given surgery could be used realtime in the OR to ensure that the surgery was done properly. As far as the VAMC hospitals, have you spent much time in them? If you have what one(s) were you at? I can tell you from the one I've spent time at that it was the most efficient and effective hospital for the delivery of care in the area. Why do you think there are VAs that do primarly chronic care, acute care, or mental health? The salary system is what it is. It doesn't encourage factory worker mentality if that's what you're getting at, besides you're a soon to be podiatrist so why are you belittling someone for working nice hours? I have one simple question for you. Why is the VAMC system touted as one of the most effective, efficient, and fiscally responsible hospital systems in the world? If you think I'm crazy then you and I have a very different understanding of the economics of health care. Can you tell I'm a dual degree student yet? Lastly, I do not want to turn this into a political debate. I only want to know the opinions of those further along in their education than myself. So please keep any political rhetoric minimal.
 
...please keep any political rhetoric minimal.
Huh?^ You started the thread, bud. :confused:

Sorry, but I have to call it quits with this discussion. Interesting stuff...
...but I just saw that you are c/o 2012 and therefore began pod school a month ago? :luck:

Sorry, but until you get to clinical exposure, it's pretty pointless to discuss how salaried docs do and do not work in a capitalist economy, pod practice models, etc when you don't even know anat or biochem yet. At your point, I would assume all you know about clinical situations is what you've read (or heard from fans of socialized medicine). If you are a non-trad student with vast clinical experience among practicing docs, namely podiatrists, just correct me here.

GL with the dual degree. It sounds like the other classes for your MPH or MHA interest you, but keep in mind that anat/phys are what will help you the most once you begin seeing patients in a few years, and your pod gpa and knowledge are what will get you a good residency training opportunity. :thumbup:
 
My second degree is an MBA. I will agree to disagree with you on understanding how pods work in practice and continue to believe in what you and a lot of others would like to think of as a pipedream. Doctors are doctors not businessmen...I'll say that until the cows come home! That's why I'm getting my MBA. That way I can run my group practice profitably for the employees, partners and myself while providing the best care possible to my patients.
 
My second degree is an MBA. I will agree to disagree with you on understanding how pods work in practice and continue to believe in what you and a lot of others would like to think of as a pipedream. Doctors are doctors not businessmen...I'll say that until the cows come home! That's why I'm getting my MBA. That way I can run my group practice profitably for the employees, partners and myself while providing the best care possible to my patients.

Well, until you're in ACTUAL practice, you have some pipe dreams too. I applaud your initiative to get a MBA which WILL help you go on and develop a successful practice. What you must understand is nationalized healthcare won't come about due to resistance from doctors, but resistance from the common folks (ie your future patients). All you have to do is go work a few weeks near a Canadian border and you will see what I am talking about. Canadians come down to the US for healthcare because they can get it quicker.

Now as far as QA/QC in an OR setting. How are skis which are developed by a ROBOT be compared to a surgery being performed by a HUMAN? Yes there are better outcomes now with the use of robotics, but we are still human and mistakes can happen. That is why podiatric residencies have moved to 3 years so that there is more practice and exposure to the complicated procedures.
 
I may be naïve when it comes to politics but I find it hard to believe that politicians would spout off so much about a national healthcare system if that wasn't their intention. Times are changing so much in America, I wouldn't be surprised if America instituted a system of socialized medicine. Seems like the dems planted a seed because most common folk are crazy about the idea of healthcare for everyone. I'm not so crazy about the idea myself, but let's say nationalized healthcare was established, don't you guys think it would affect MDs and DOs more so than the non MD docs, like pods, dents, opts, and chiros?

Then again, maybe it will never happen. After all, we never adopted that metric system everyone was so crazy about when I was in elementary school.
 
Even though most seem to be for some kind of "universal" healthcare, I still doubt it will happen because people in the US like independence and choice.

With a socialized type of medicine, it would just not be "American".

I think we need to find a better system but that is easier said than done.

Plus, how are we going to pay for the care for everyone? Americans never want to pay more taxes.


I think the money and independence issues will stop the socialized healthcare ideas that are out there once the general public realizes what it will take to get an universal healthcare system.
 
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