HELP please, SGU vs Ross ?

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Which medical school should I attend?

  • St. Georges

    Votes: 34 68.0%

  • Ross

    Votes: 7 14.0%

  • AUC

    Votes: 3 6.0%

  • UMHS

    Votes: 6 12.0%
  • Total voters
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Royaldoctor said:
SGU VS ROSS ? Which would you chose and WHY? Ross has an organ system based curriculum which I like. But Ross living conditions look much worse than SGU.
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Does that mean you'll be selling your organs to pay those tuition loans back?
 
People's comments on here really shows they dont know what they are talking about. Real mature people on here.
 
Royaldoctor said:
People's comments on here really shows they dont know what they are talking about. Real mature people on here.
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Your decision to shoot yourself in the foot instead of doing what needs to be done to get a quality education reeks of maturity. :lame:
 
Conflagration said:
Your decision to shoot yourself in the foot instead of doing what needs to be done to get a quality education reeks of maturity. :lame:
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I told u guys that I will retake my mcat and try my best to stay here. I did listen you guys are not listening and answering the question that as a last resort which would you chose! I asked that they do not comment if they cant answer that question.
 
Royaldoctor said:
Answer the QUESTION being asked!
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People answered it already, and the poll is overwhelmingly in favor of SGU. It is pretty clear that if you must go Caribbean then go to SGU. I can't tell you specifically why, but it seems pretty clear that SGU has something over the other Caribbean schools.

A lot of the people trying to get to you have made it in medicine or in the right path towards it. People are trying to steer you in the most reasonable direction. Even if you are rich, the most expensive thing is time, and it will be incredibly hard to match from SGU. If you don't then you lost 4 years you'll never get back.
 
I look forward to reading your post in 2 years about which DO schools take transfers or worse, fail-outs from Caribbean schools.

Don't be thick - take people's advice.

Or at least consider doing better research on your own.
 
Do any of those Caribbean schools allow you to start next month?
 
Royaldoctor said:
I told u guys that I will retake my mcat and try my best to stay here. I did listen you guys are not listening and answering the question that as a last resort which would you chose! I asked that they do not comment if they cant answer that question.
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SGU gives you the best chance to become a US physician, but it is a very expensive school... Since you said you are rich, you can use them as your last resort...
 
Royaldoctor said:
Answer the QUESTION being asked!
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Royaldoctor said:
I told u guys that I will retake my mcat and try my best to stay here. I did listen you guys are not listening and answering the question that as a last resort which would you chose! I asked that they do not comment if they cant answer that question.
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Here is the list of what you should do.
  1. Retake the MCAT and knock it out of the park (500+ with new MCAT.)
  2. Apply broadly. MD and DO schools
  3. If you don't get in, call the schools and any mentors on where you went wrong. Each school will have a somewhat different answer, but make a list and find the commonality with everyone.
  4. If you can't improve the app due to money reasons (extra schooling, MCAT retake (both are expensive)), then work towards it.
  5. If you don't want to apply again (it's also expensive), then start looking into other healthcare fields. PA, NP, Physical Therapy, etc.
Notice how caribbean schools are NOT on this list. It's your future OP, so make it as bright as possible.
 
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f4reignbeauty said:
I know that we all have our biases, but the OP did not ask for those opinions. If you do not have anything of substance to offer the poster, then you should not post on this particular discussion.
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We are providing advice of substance. We are literally trying to save OP from himself before he makes the biggest mistake of his life. If someone asked you "what alcohol goes best with my benzos and opiates?" you wouldn't just go ahead and tell them Jack Daniels. You'd tell them to not mix alcohol with their meds and try to save them from themselves. We're trying to help. Sometimes the best advice isn't the advice you asked for.
 
Royaldoctor said:
I told u guys that I will retake my mcat and try my best to stay here. I did listen you guys are not listening and answering the question that as a last resort which would you chose! I asked that they do not comment if they cant answer that question.
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The above posters are not trying to insult you. It's called tough love. The risks associated with going out of the country are so high, given the terribly quality of the schools as well as the US's phasing out of FMGs in the upcoming future, that the above comments are warranted. If you want to become a real doctor, go MD or DO. If you're not good enough, take a few years and get better. This advice is hard to swallow because I know you're anxious to go to medical school...but look at it this way. If you are an average student (Reasonable expectation) at a US school, you are getting a residency. If you are an average student in the Carib (also reasonable), you are f*****, forget about being a doctor or getting a residency. Even if you are an excellent student, your chances will still be lower than an average MD/DO student in US (Source: JUST LOOK AT THE MATCH LISTS COMPARISONS!!!!)
 
Royaldoctor said:
Back to studying MCAT ill try my best again to raise my score in a January MCAT before they change it. BTW MCAT score doesn't really predict success on usmle. I don't have time where do I start lol. Oh and rotations are really smooth nowadays just matching into a residency is competitive.
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MCAT scores not predicting Step 1 scores or med school success is a great and heartwarming thought, but it is completely wrong:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16186610

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20068426
 
Royaldoctor said:
I am trying to decide which Caribbean medical school is the better option and why? All the other threads are so old and things have changed. Please don't comment if you are just going to tell me not to attend any of them, any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. I am aware of the risks associated with Caribbean schools. I have been accepted to SGU, Ross, AUC, UMHS. The difference in tuition isn't a deciding factor.
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neither, find another career or get competitive for USMD/DO.
 
Feelgood Inc said:
If you're going to pick a Caribbean I'd just pick the cheapest one imo
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that's how idiots end up at Aureal National College of International Scholars and Physicians, which is run out of a converted US embassy. Curriculum is First Aid 2011, a bunch of random powerpoints off the internet and cadavers of questionable origin.
 
Mad Jack said:
We are providing advice of substance. We are literally trying to save OP from himself before he makes the biggest mistake of his life. If someone asked you "what alcohol goes best with my benzos and opiates?" you wouldn't just go ahead and tell them Jack Daniels. You'd tell them to not mix alcohol with their meds and try to save them from themselves. We're trying to help. Sometimes the best advice isn't the advice you asked for.
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So Jack Daniels is the way to go?

Anyway, OP should also consider podiatry if he won't retake the MCAT. He is definitely competitive for it.
 
notbobtrustme said:
that's how idiots end up at Aureal National College of International Scholars and Physicians, which is run out of a converted US embassy. Curriculum is First Aid 2011, a bunch of random powerpoints off the internet and cadavers of questionable origin.
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How do schools like that even get to the point where they are allowed to hand out MDs?
 
Lucca said:
How do schools like that even get to the point where they are allowed to hand out MDs?
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That's the whole reason they are off-shore, they don't have to answer to anyone. After that, it's a matter of filling out some paperwork for ECFMG and boom, they can hand out MDs/MBBS or w/e they want to. They have exactly zero oversight except for the country of origin. Most of them can't be arsed to care as long as you pay them the proper greasing money to maintain the campus.
 
@Royaldoctor I recommend you listen to everyone when they say don't go. The residency opportunities for Carb students is very thin. You're basically going into a gun fight with a Pee shooter. Retake the mcat. If you don't want to listen to anyone SGU is probably your best chance.
 
Rich people don't go to the Caribbean for anything but vacation. They would use their wealth to take multiple prep classes, spend a couple years retaking classes for As and then get into the best DO schools.
The really wealthy don't have this problem either as they do the above to get more reasonable scores and reference the name on the new translational research building on their allopathic application.
 
I guess if I was set on being a doctor, and every USMD and USDO school in the country had rejected me for consecutive years, and I was looking at Caribbean schools, I'd go to SGU. Seems like Canada or England are possibly options if I manage to graduate and not match in a US residency.

OR

Do well on the MCAT and apply to a US school. First or last in your class, multiple attempts on the Steps or one, your chances for residency will overshadow those of any other medical graduate. The hundreds of thousands of dollars you put into your education should be with the goal of setting yourself up to get a residency spot, regardless of how you do in medical school. It is becoming more and more competitive every year and going off shore puts you at an immediate disadvantage to start, before you even take your first exam.

I am from a small program. We have interviewed a little less than 100 applicants thus far out of 350+ residency applications for our 1st year psychiatry spots. Psychiatry, the least competitive specialty of them all. The Caribbean and international graduate applicants that have trickled through are the most desperate I've ever seen. 1 misstep on the USMLE and they're toast and what would've been 10 interviews out of 200 spots applied for becomes 1-3 interviews if any at all. I met someone who was a cardiologist back in his native country who hasn't been able to get a residency spot here for the past 10 years. He drove 4 hours out of his way to introduce himself to my program director to get an interview. Another who graduated from a Caribbean school 2 years ago, failed Step 2 once, and has had 3 interviews in the past 2 years. Strangely enough, I don't think I've met a current 4th year Caribbean medical student yet. Don't know why. Frankly, why would we pick any of them when the other 90+ applicants are current 4th year medical students from USMD and DO schools vying for the spots? Of those, if we ranked the 20 most realistic people we'd still come up with a ridiculously solid incoming class. I don't think I'd have a chance at my program if I applied this year, and I can't even imagine what the next 4-5 years will bring.
 
Royaldoctor said:
I am trying to decide which Caribbean medical school is the better option and why? All the other threads are so old and things have changed. Please don't comment if you are just going to tell me not to attend any of them, any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. I am aware of the risks associated with Caribbean schools. I have been accepted to SGU, Ross, AUC, UMHS. The difference in tuition isn't a deciding factor.
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Hey,

So concerning your recent question as to what school to attend, I would definitely choose ROSS university as their passing rates for the USMlE step 1 are incredible and their match rates are awesome. I would also advise you not to listen o the people who tell you to not go to MEDICAL SCHOOL because it is in the Caribbean's, I know soooo many doctors (surgeons to family physicians) that are doing so well and have went to Ross university. The people who put others down are 1. not in medical school. 2. have no life 3. have absolutely nothing to do with their OWN lives 4. Never went to medical school in the Caribbean's or graduated 4. Don't know what they are talking about because they have NEVER experienced it for themselves. So please don't be discouraged! Follow your dreams and shoot for the starts!! If becoming a doctor is your dream it doesn't matter where you go at the end of the day. I have worked and shadowed doctors who schooled in India for medical school and they are so knowledgeable. So please keep your head up and keep going 🙂
 
AdaJesusMD said:
Hey,

So concerning your recent question as to what school to attend, I would definitely choose ROSS university as their passing rates for the USMlE step 1 are incredible and their match rates are awesome. I would also advise you not to listen o the people who tell you to not go to MEDICAL SCHOOL because it is in the Caribbean's, I know soooo many doctors (surgeons to family physicians) that are doing so well and have went to Ross university. The people who put others down are 1. not in medical school. 2. have no life 3. have absolutely nothing to do with their OWN lives 4. Never went to medical school in the Caribbean's or graduated 4. Don't know what they are talking about because they have NEVER experienced it for themselves. So please don't be discouraged! Follow your dreams and shoot for the starts!! If becoming a doctor is your dream it doesn't matter where you go at the end of the day. I have worked and shadowed doctors who schooled in India for medical school and they are so knowledgeable. So please keep your head up and keep going 🙂
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wat

Did you really just compare Indian med schools to Caribbean ones?
 
AdaJesusMD said:
Hey,

So concerning your recent question as to what school to attend, I would definitely choose ROSS university as their passing rates for the USMlE step 1 are incredible and their match rates are awesome. I would also advise you not to listen o the people who tell you to not go to MEDICAL SCHOOL because it is in the Caribbean's, I know soooo many doctors (surgeons to family physicians) that are doing so well and have went to Ross university. The people who put others down are 1. not in medical school. 2. have no life 3. have absolutely nothing to do with their OWN lives 4. Never went to medical school in the Caribbean's or graduated 4. Don't know what they are talking about because they have NEVER experienced it for themselves. So please don't be discouraged! Follow your dreams and shoot for the starts!! If becoming a doctor is your dream it doesn't matter where you go at the end of the day. I have worked and shadowed doctors who schooled in India for medical school and they are so knowledgeable. So please keep your head up and keep going 🙂
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*facepalm*

Yes, it does matter. Giving false hope is--in one word--irresponsible. If it didn't matter where you went, then Caribbean schools would have similar matches compared to U.S. schools. But the data states otherwise. Also, go talk to residency program directors about what their opinions are on accepting foreign graduates. Some programs don't even look at them.

Perhaps it is you who doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
AdaJesusMD said:
Hey,

So concerning your recent question as to what school to attend, I would definitely choose ROSS university as their passing rates for the USMlE step 1 are incredible and their match rates are awesome. I would also advise you not to listen o the people who tell you to not go to MEDICAL SCHOOL because it is in the Caribbean's, I know soooo many doctors (surgeons to family physicians) that are doing so well and have went to Ross university. The people who put others down are 1. not in medical school. 2. have no life 3. have absolutely nothing to do with their OWN lives 4. Never went to medical school in the Caribbean's or graduated 4. Don't know what they are talking about because they have NEVER experienced it for themselves. So please don't be discouraged! Follow your dreams and shoot for the starts!! If becoming a doctor is your dream it doesn't matter where you go at the end of the day. I have worked and shadowed doctors who schooled in India for medical school and they are so knowledgeable. So please keep your head up and keep going 🙂
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  1. Please provide the evidence that Ross has great Step 1 scores. Bonus points if the people succeeded on their first try (without paying for a retake.)
  2. I'm in medical school. So are a plethora of others here replying.
  3. We have a life, called medical school.
  4. Why would I go to a Caribbean school when I like having a job and no debt in the future?
  5. You used the number 4 twice.
  6. Once again, I would never want to experience cold-calling hospitals, begging for a job until I get someone to interview me out of pity.
  7. If you're telling him to shoot for the stars, then the stars are a great residency program. Caribbean schools are for those trying to get to the stars with a cannon.
  8. India medical schools are not equal to Caribbean schools. Indian medical schools are there to train physicians wanting to practice in India. Caribbean schools are for those who unfortunately didn't have the knowledge of what those schools truly are.
 
AdaJesusMD said:
Hey,

So concerning your recent question as to what school to attend, I would definitely choose ROSS university as their passing rates for the USMlE step 1 are incredible and their match rates are awesome. I would also advise you not to listen o the people who tell you to not go to MEDICAL SCHOOL because it is in the Caribbean's, I know soooo many doctors (surgeons to family physicians) that are doing so well and have went to Ross university. The people who put others down are 1. not in medical school. 2. have no life 3. have absolutely nothing to do with their OWN lives 4. Never went to medical school in the Caribbean's or graduated 4. Don't know what they are talking about because they have NEVER experienced it for themselves. So please don't be discouraged! Follow your dreams and shoot for the starts!! If becoming a doctor is your dream it doesn't matter where you go at the end of the day. I have worked and shadowed doctors who schooled in India for medical school and they are so knowledgeable. So please keep your head up and keep going 🙂
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Yeah...
 
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FutureOncologist said:
  1. Please provide the evidence that Ross has great Step 1 scores. Bonus points if the people succeeded on their first try (without paying for a retake.)
  2. I'm in medical school. So are a plethora of others here replying.
  3. We have a life, called medical school.
  4. Why would I go to a Caribbean school when I like having a job and no debt in the future?
  5. You used the number 4 twice.
  6. Once again, I would never want to experience cold-calling hospitals, begging for a job until I get someone to interview me out of pity.
  7. If you're telling him to shoot for the stars, then the stars are a great residency program. Caribbean schools are for those trying to get to the stars with a cannon.
  8. India medical schools are not equal to Caribbean schools. Indian medical schools are there to train physicians wanting to practice in India. Caribbean schools are for those who unfortunately didn't have the knowledge of what those schools truly are.
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So, as a medical student you of all people know the pressures medical students as a whole go through (whether they are american or internationally trained) since when it comes to residency you may get out matched by a student who went to a Caribbean school. You would also be aware that supporting others in this process is more crucial than than criticizing. You would also be aware of the vast diversity in medicine as a medical student, since you work and study around people who have schooled in many places. Since, studies show that in the future more than half of physicians in the US will be foreign trained you should be aware that great residency programs are gearing towards how knowledgeable are the applicants rather than what school they attend. Good luck 🙂
 
AdaJesusMD said:
So, as a medical student you of all people know the pressures medical students as a whole go through (whether they are american or internationally trained) since when it comes to residency you may get out matched by a student who went to a Caribbean school. You would also be aware that supporting others in this process is more crucial than than criticizing. You would also be aware of the vast diversity in medicine as a medical student, since you work and study around people who have schooled in many places. Since, studies show that in the future more than half of physicians in the US will be foreign trained you should be aware that great residency programs are gearing towards how knowledgeable are the applicants rather than what school they attend. Good luck 🙂
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Please quote these studies. Medical schools in the usa have been expanding the last few years at an exorbitant rate..
 
CherryRedDracul said:
*facepalm*

Yes, it does matter. Giving false hope is--in one word--irresponsible. If it didn't matter where you went, then Caribbean schools would have similar matches compared to U.S. schools. But the data states otherwise. Also, go talk to residency program directors about what their opinions are on accepting foreign graduates. Some programs don't even look at them.

Perhaps it is you who doesn't know what they're talking about.
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And you have done your research, right? You apparently know residency program directors, and have their numbers to call them up on your spare time and ask them about acceptance of foreign grads? From experience, I know and have worked with brilliant doctors who went to Ross university and are making twice as much as the quoted salary and changing the face of medicine. So yes, I give hope because at the end of the day that is all that truly matters. When you are rushed to the ER for a possible MI (myocardial infarction) and feel as though you are dying (impending doom) i am pretty sure you will not mind who touches you, rather how you can get healed FAST! 🙂 God bless you
 
AdaJesusMD said:
So, as a medical student you of all people know the pressures medical students as a whole go through (whether they are american or internationally trained) since when it comes to residency you may get out matched by a student who went to a Caribbean school. You would also be aware that supporting others in this process is more crucial than than criticizing. You would also be aware of the vast diversity in medicine as a medical student, since you work and study around people who have schooled in many places. Since, studies show that in the future more than half of physicians in the US will be foreign trained you should be aware that great residency programs are gearing towards how knowledgeable are the applicants rather than what school they attend. Good luck 🙂
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ScrubsMD said:
Please quote these studies. Medical schools in the usa have been expanding the last few years at an exorbitant rate..
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The internet is open for everyone, thank God for Bill Gates, Dick Chaney and the American Government 🙂
 
AdaJesusMD said:
And you have done your research, right? You apparently know residency program directors, and have their numbers to call them up on your spare time and ask them about acceptance of foreign grads? From experience, I know and have worked with brilliant doctors who went to Ross university and are making twice as much as the quoted salary and changing the face of medicine. So yes, I give hope because at the end of the day that is all that truly matters. When you are rushed to the ER for a possible MI (myocardial infarction) and feel as though you are dying (impending doom) i am pretty sure you will not mind who touches you, rather how you can get healed FAST! 🙂 God bless you
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Why do I get the feeling you live on a certain island in the Caribbean? In the past yes, many could get back into the us. The door for fmg and img graduates is shutting pretty fast.
 
ScrubsMD said:
Why do I get the feeling you live on a certain island in the Caribbean? In the past yes, many could get back into the us. The door for fmg and img graduates is shutting pretty fast.
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You apparently have a lot of time, good luck on your studies 🙂
 
AdaJesusMD said:
The internet is open for everyone, thank God for Bill Gates, Dick Chaney and the American Government 🙂
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None of these have to do with the Internet being open to everyone? Dick Chaney? You realize it's 2015 right?

Fell for the troll bait... 🙁
 
i've read this thread for the first time. it appears to be going nowhere.
 
AdaJesusMD said:
And you have done your research, right? You apparently know residency program directors, and have their numbers to call them up on your spare time and ask them about acceptance of foreign grads?
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This is true. And I've also talked to residents and other attendings who know other PDs as well.

From experience, I know and have worked with brilliant doctors who went to Ross university and are making twice as much as the quoted salary and changing the face of medicine. So yes, I give hope because at the end of the day that is all that truly matters.
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I hoped to grow wings one day since the age of 6. I still have hope, but it's highly improbable. Statistics actually do matter.

When you are rushed to the ER for a possible MI (myocardial infarction) and feel as though you are dying (impending doom) i am pretty sure you will not mind who touches you, rather how you can get healed FAST! 🙂 God bless you
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Non-sequitur. Yes, I do hope I am in the hands of a skilled physician when I'm facing impending doom. But that's not what this thread is about. But God bless you, too.

I've probably fallen for troll bait, but whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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