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Nice avatar change, very seasonal. good luck this cycle! I'm sure you're going to snag a handful of prestigious acceptances. I'm going to bump the PS reader thread, and we'll see if anyone on that list is still willing to give some feedback. I'm on the third or fourth draft of mine and I'd love some additional criticism.
Oh yeah! It's time!
The only three schools on my list right now are UNC, ECU, and UoP. I am highly against paying an inordinate amount of money for dental school, so I'm having a hard time coming up with other schools to add to my list. Some of the ones I was initially intending to apply to no longer give out scholarships. Sigh. I will apply to a few schools this year, and if nothing goes well, I guess I will try again next year and broaden my scope. I'd rather be a dentist than not be a dentist, obviously, but I'd be willing to gamble one year of my life on an education that would potentially cost me $100,000+ less.
Where are YOU applying? 🙂
The only three schools on my list right now are UNC, ECU, and UoP. I am highly against paying an inordinate amount of money for dental school, so I'm having a hard time coming up with other schools to add to my list. Some of the ones I was initially intending to apply to no longer give out scholarships. Sigh. I will apply to a few schools this year, and if nothing goes well, I guess I will try again next year and broaden my scope. I'd rather be a dentist than not be a dentist, obviously, but I'd be willing to gamble one year of my life on an education that would potentially cost me $100,000+ less.
Where are YOU applying? 🙂
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I will be applying next year after re-taking 10 pre-req courses via the accelerated program and Southern California University, and the DAT next May/June. I was originally planning to apply this year, but several of the schools I was interested in had 5-year limits on pre-reqs (mine are 15+ years old). Additionally, cramming old Gen and OChem material into my head after so long in prep for the DAT was proving to be a possible waste of time. So, I put it off and decided to do the classes over 9 months to properly prepare and really build my application for a solid consideration.
Anyway, here are the schools I'll be applying to. Criteria for selection is based on my personal situation (wife, newborn daughter, older applicant, commute, family/friends nearby, job availability for my wife, etc.), but a big part of it came from reviewing the 2013 ADEA guide information and determining which schools appear to accept a higher number of out-of-state applicants (for all schools outside of my current state of residency, CA).
Denver CO Univ of Colorado
Pomona CA Western Univ
Los Angeles CA UCLA
San Fran CA Univ of Pacific
San Fran CA UC San Fran
Louisville KY UL
Boston MA Tufts
Chicago IL Midwestern IL
Milwaukee WI Marquette
Phoenix AZ Arizona
Phoenix AZ Midwestern AZ
Portland OR Oregon
Good luck on your application. With those DAT scores, you should have no problem getting accepted somewhere, most likely your first choice. This of course assumes a decent GPA and a great personal statement (I've already started mine and will continue working on it for the next year!).
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During my reading of the 2013 ADEA guide the past few days, and online research, I'm pretty sure UCLA and Univ. of Kentucky give out all sorts of scholarships, both before school and during. Have you purchased this year's ADEA guide?
No... but I should! I didn't know it was finally released. I'll get on that.
My GPA is a 3.97 and I think my personal statement is definitely acceptable; it isn't cookie cutter, and I even got feedback on it from a great friend of mine who writes for the Wall Street Journal. 😀
I will check out UCLA and UK and most likely add them to my list! Thank you!! 👍👍
Oh, and PS: I didn't know you had changed your plans and that you're going back to school. Sweet! I bet that everything will be incredibly easy for you, and I know it will give you more peace of mind.
With that sexy DAT, you can send your personal statement to my inbox any day. All jokes aside, I am proof reading for two people at the moment. PM me if you'd like some edits. I've edited approximately close to 40 personal statements lol.
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Yep, I decided to just bite it and give myself exactly that - peace of mind. As I roll through this accelerated program for pre-reqs, I plan on continuing to take practice DAT tests along the way. My expectation is that because the courses will be so fresh, and I will be applying the courses directly to DAT practice tests, I will recognize everything on the real DAT next year. The accelerated courses, though are very intense. For example, Organic Chemistry 1 is completed in only 1 month of 18-hour weekends (8:30-6:30 Sat & Sun), including labs. That's 72 hours of class time as compared to ~56 hours in a typical 3.5-month college semester. Also, taking the courses directly apply to my GPA, which as of today needs a little help!
I think I'll be getting around to applying this cycle too! Since I'm in Canada, I'm really just looking at private schools. Just finished my personal statement this week and would also love if I could get some feedback on it as well. 🙂
i highly recommend u to apply to louisville or VCU since those are your closest OOS schools.
U will never know where u will end up and it depends on luck.
The last thing i want to see is U not ending up getting in because u "applied to few schools".
good luck
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Still just as bustling and hustling on here as ever, fun stuff.
I think I'll end up somewhere with a 3.6/3.5 oGPA/sGPA after this semester. Hopefully that's decent enough to back up my DAT scores.
Here's a list of the schools I'm definitely applying to:
Michigan
UoP
UCLA
UPenn
Columbia
Harvard
Michigan for in-state tuition and possible research if I decide that's something I want to do when I'm not doing the dentist thing. UoP and UCLA because tennis weather. Ivies mainly just for kicks, but not really. I'm still not sure if I want to specialize.
I realize I lack safety schools, so if anyone has suggestions let me know. I really just want to follow Glimmer's footsteps and apply to just these schools and hopefully get into one of them (any of these 6 would beat out a safety school of course).
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Michigan, man. Why did you have to do this to me? They just up'd the shadowing requirement to 100 hours, and that's BEFORE you apply. I only have 50 right now, so I need to come up with 50 more in this upcoming month before I apply.
Starting work for Kaplan as a classroom DAT instructor beginning early May. That should be a nice app booster. Also, looking into dental research as mentioned previously.
Now time to get on that PS (thanks to those who offered to read mine already, expect to receive a two-page trainwreck in a week or two).
I think I'll end up somewhere with a 3.6/3.5 oGPA/sGPA after this semester. Hopefully that's decent enough to back up my DAT scores.
Here's a list of the schools I'm definitely applying to:
Michigan
UoP
UCLA
UPenn
Columbia
Harvard
Michigan for in-state tuition and possible research if I decide that's something I want to do when I'm not doing the dentist thing. UoP and UCLA because tennis weather. Ivies mainly just for kicks, but not really. I'm still not sure if I want to specialize.
I realize I lack safety schools, so if anyone has suggestions let me know. I really just want to follow Glimmer's footsteps and apply to just these schools and hopefully get into one of them (any of these 6 would beat out a safety school of course).
Other things that I'm doing/other things I need to do:
Michigan, man. Why did you have to do this to me? They just up'd the shadowing requirement to 100 hours, and that's BEFORE you apply. I only have 50 right now, so I need to come up with 50 more in this upcoming month before I apply.
Starting work for Kaplan as a classroom DAT instructor beginning early May. That should be a nice app booster. Also, looking into dental research as mentioned previously.
Now time to get on that PS (thanks to those who offered to read mine already, expect to receive a two-page trainwreck in a week or two).
Your DATs are VERY good, but the GPA is right around average to slightly above average to the matriculants of majority of the dental schools. I was rejected by almost all of my "safety" schools, and got into actually 2 of my "reach" schools. Be careful. Things can be very unpredictable.
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Detroit Mercy - outstanding patient pool and clinical experience. You can't truly appreciate a large patient base until you are 3 years in, but I'm telling you you should start appreciating it NOW.
ASDOH - also good tennis weather. Clinically unbeatable due to the immense patient base and rotations that can arguably beat some of the AEGD/GPR programs out there. I'm not even kidding.
Temple - also an incredible clinical experience due to its location. Inner city, lots of patients who rely on the school for care.
Louisville - this is probably truly the one place that is genuinely well rounded from everything I've read about it. Laid back, good weather, great living, and probably less stressful than most schools on the coasts.
VCU - excellent pedo program if you're interested in pedo.
The first 3 will probably set you apart from your co-residents should you specialize or do GP. They're among the best in providing you with exceptional clinical skills. You can go to some place for the name all you want, in the end, it's your hand skills and management that will set you apart from your competition. And patient retention is VERY IMPORTANT for a successful dentist.
Another thing that changed from 2011 and 2012 is that boards part I and II are now pass fail. Class rank is everything. Careful what you wish for. A p/f/h system and a regular ranking system can work for you or against you but that's another topic altogether.
Throw in
Detroit Mercy - outstanding patient pool and clinical experience. You can't truly appreciate a large patient base until you are 3 years in, but I'm telling you you should start appreciating it NOW.
ASDOH - also good tennis weather. Clinically unbeatable due to the immense patient base and rotations that can arguably beat some of the AEGD/GPR programs out there. I'm not even kidding.
Temple - also an incredible clinical experience due to its location. Inner city, lots of patients who rely on the school for care.
Louisville - this is probably truly the one place that is genuinely well rounded from everything I've read about it. Laid back, good weather, great living, and probably less stressful than most schools on the coasts.
VCU - excellent pedo program if you're interested in pedo.
The first 3 will probably set you apart from your co-residents should you specialize or do GP. They're among the best in providing you with exceptional clinical skills. You can go to some place for the name all you want, in the end, it's your hand skills and management that will set you apart from your competition. And patient retention is VERY IMPORTANT for a successful dentist.
Another thing that changed from 2011 and 2012 is that boards part I and II are now pass fail. Class rank is everything. Careful what you wish for. A p/f/h system and a regular ranking system can work for you or against you but that's another topic altogether.
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Louisville seems appealing. I wonder if they offer scholarships. Someone with the ADEA book... Help! 
Okay, so maybe my list has broadened a little bit! I've posted a thread before asking people where I should apply and the response was, "Everywhere." Srsly? Nuhp.
Okay, so maybe my list has broadened a little bit! I've posted a thread before asking people where I should apply and the response was, "Everywhere." Srsly? Nuhp.
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Louisville offered small scholarships to a couple of people I know. $10K/yr. Not sure if they do more or if this is something they continuously do. What about Penn? I'm feeling pretty certain you'll stay in NC. You've got everything going for you. I'd just add 1 or 2 just in case. No more. Strange things happen even to the cream of the crop. Something as simple as an interviewer who wakes up on the wrong side of the bed that day could really affect your chances. UoP likes DAT scores and pretty much gives acceptance to all who interview. But they also get some of the highest number of applications per year. So you could be the fluke that got looked over. Adding 1 or 2 might even be worth the peace of mind waiting for December.
I'm so excited to apply this cycle. It's a weird feeling that after all these years, we're finally entering the application cycle!
I just ordered the ADEA guide book, hope it comes soon :|
Too bad the pdf version isn't out yet =/
I just ordered the ADEA guide book, hope it comes soon :|
Too bad the pdf version isn't out yet =/
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Good luck everyone! I don't think there's any reason for me to apply anywhere besides the three texas schools. My volunteer, research, and shadowing is lacking, so I'm relying heavily on my stats. Hopefully get some scholarships too, anyway to save money!
Better start doing so before u end like my friend with high stats and no ECS (didn't get in). Its not hard to shadow 1 day a week and u certainly don't need >100 hours of shadowing. To keep it interesting go shadow each specialty. Since u are in Texas I highly recommend u listing on your TMDSAS planned activities that u will attend "Texas mission of mercy" for Amarillo. Texas schools love that u give back and help around in these events. I attended all of these events since July of 2012 and it was a great experience learning from different dentists. Again, put all of these events (found on TDA website) on the section named "Planned activities".
One applicant should not bank on their chances based purely on stats. Interviewers will certainly pick a 3.6 GPA with 24+ AA over you IF that person had way more EC's. Don't put yourself in that situation.
Sure stats will grant you an interview but some schools weigh EC's alot more. Question is: will your stats grant you an acceptance?
One applicant should not bank on their chances based purely on stats. Interviewers will certainly pick a 3.6 GPA with 24+ AA over you IF that person had way more EC's. Don't put yourself in that situation.
Sure stats will grant you an interview but some schools weigh EC's alot more. Question is: will your stats grant you an acceptance?
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Both UCLA and UCSF offer scholarships but UCSF is more out-of-state friendly. You get in-state tuition at the UC's after D1. An SDNer from a while back was offered a full-ride to UCLA and "Baker2010" from two cycles ago received a $50K scholarship from UCSF. I pm'ed "katy5787", a UCLA dental student, and she said she received $7K/year in grants. A UCSF dental student told me that he received around $4K/year in grants. YMMV. UConn offers affordable in-state tuition after D1. Penn offers half tuition scholarships.
Thank you, thank you! I totally need a list of schools that are "scholarship-friendly." 🙂
Were I fortunate enough to get interviews, though, flying out to all of the Cali schools would be so expensive!! Ah! Sorry, Mom and Dad!
List is now looking like:
UNC, ECU, UoP, Louisville, Temple, UPenn, UK, Baylor
UNC, ECU, UoP, Louisville, Temple, UPenn, UK, Baylor
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Why sell yourself short? You seem like a stellar applicant for America's finest schools: Upenn, Columbia, Harvard. Why not apply and see what happens?
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Wow, some of the DAT scores on here are amazing.....
u can get into UCLA, UCSF, UF, VCU, and columbia
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She'll do well at any school she goes to. Just because you have top stats does not mean you need to go to an Ivy, especially with tuition rates this high. Neither Columbia nor Harvard offer scholarships like Penn. If I were her, I'd still apply to Columbia/Harvard.
If we went back twenty years (when rankings existed, subsidized loans existed, affordable tuition was available, NBDE scores were numerical, loans were easy to come by, and the U.S./Europe were not in a recession), considering dental school ranking before costs wouldn't have been that bad of an idea. Today, you should consider costs first then whatever school fits you best.
Thank you, everyone! However, cost is a HUGE consideration for me. I am also not all that enamored with prestige. I went to a prestigious undergrad and quickly found out it just wasn't the best fit for me; I transferred very quickly to an almost entirely "unknown" undergrad and am completely happy with my decision. Even if my current school doesn't have the rep of my old one, I know that I have been 100% prepared for this next step in my life. I'm not saying that the prestigious schools are bad by ANY means, but my smaller institution is so much better for me. I'm the involved type who likes to ask questions, know my professors, etc.
No matter my dental school, I have full faith that I'll be prepared to be a dentist. Like I said earlier, so much of it just depends on how much you involve yourself!
Plus, I didn't take calc 2 and have no intentions of doing so... Harvard's out!! 😛
I found out Columbia didn't give any scholarships the other week and immediately removed them from my list, even though I had initially intended to apply there. I mentioned it earlier, but I'd rather risk another year of applying rather than having to spend $300+ thousand on school. This is risky, but I have worked my absolute tail off to put myself in a position where I wouldn't have to spend so much on school.
No matter my dental school, I have full faith that I'll be prepared to be a dentist. Like I said earlier, so much of it just depends on how much you involve yourself!
Plus, I didn't take calc 2 and have no intentions of doing so... Harvard's out!! 😛
I found out Columbia didn't give any scholarships the other week and immediately removed them from my list, even though I had initially intended to apply there. I mentioned it earlier, but I'd rather risk another year of applying rather than having to spend $300+ thousand on school. This is risky, but I have worked my absolute tail off to put myself in a position where I wouldn't have to spend so much on school.
I just checked out some tuition and living costs for dental school. For how much places like NYU and Tufts and USC cost, a family can send 2 kids or even 3 to another school state dental school. In Texas, you can send 4 or even 5. Hahahahahah
It has become hilariously outrageous how expensive dental school education is. I know a pediatric dentist who went to a fairly affordable state school and paid 60k for 2 years of his pedo residency 5 years ago. His current repayment is at $3600 per month. With the recent tuition increase, someone in his shoes would have to pay $4000+ monthly. I don't care how successful you are and what a prestigious you went to, but you will want to rip out every strand of your hair trying to pay $4000+ back. No "prestige" is worth it. Only some doe eyed predents would sell their souls to some of these expensive private schools. Take it from what many practicing dentists and residents like gryffindor have said. Minimize your debt.
It has become hilariously outrageous how expensive dental school education is. I know a pediatric dentist who went to a fairly affordable state school and paid 60k for 2 years of his pedo residency 5 years ago. His current repayment is at $3600 per month. With the recent tuition increase, someone in his shoes would have to pay $4000+ monthly. I don't care how successful you are and what a prestigious you went to, but you will want to rip out every strand of your hair trying to pay $4000+ back. No "prestige" is worth it. Only some doe eyed predents would sell their souls to some of these expensive private schools. Take it from what many practicing dentists and residents like gryffindor have said. Minimize your debt.
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True dat. It ain't right!
UNC and ECU are super affordable for me, which is why I want to get in SO BADLY. TAKE ME, IN-STATE SCHOOLS, TAKE ME!
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Hey all, I'm applying this year too; here's to hoping we all see a bit of each other on the interview trail!
I've got six schools on my list as of now, based on curriculum, location, scholarships, general university impressions, and my personal interests. Unfortunately there aren't any state schools in Arizona so that's out of the question.
Harvard
Columbia
UCLA
UCSF
UPenn
Washington
I've got six schools on my list as of now, based on curriculum, location, scholarships, general university impressions, and my personal interests. Unfortunately there aren't any state schools in Arizona so that's out of the question.
Harvard
Columbia
UCLA
UCSF
UPenn
Washington
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I calculated the total repayment for UCSF and my state school. I could send myself and one other person to my state school with the amount of money I would be paying for UCSF. I could've send myself and three other people with the amount I would have been paying for Penn.
UNC is a really well balanced school from what I read. Do you live close to it? It doesn't hurt to make a presence at their admissions office soon to make your presence known 😉
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Add UConn. Has medical school curriculum like two of those schools you listed. It's P/F like Harvard and UCSF. But best of all, it is a lot more affordable by offering in-state tuition after first year.
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I was going to second UConn as well. Penn also has the presidents scholarship, where it brings it to half tuition.
You might also consider applying to the texas schools, it is a long shot, but if anybody has a shot it is you with your monster GPA/DAT.
Same applies to you MedDevil!
If any of us were to get into Texas schools, though, wouldn't we still pay OOS tuition? I've thought about applying but realize it is a very long shot.
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From my understanding, it is pretty easy to get residency in Texas after one year.
But even if you don't, OOS tuition is still pretty cheap, especially considering private schools.
Houston - 28K per year + 5K fees
San Antonio - 27K per year + 6K fees
Baylor - 16K per year + 8K fees
http://www.db.uth.tmc.edu/education/doctor-dental-surgery/admissions/program-costs
http://dental.uthscsa.edu/admissions/tuition-OOS.pdf
http://bcd.tamhsc.edu/resources/tuitionfees.html
Thank you for those links! Maybe I should just apply, especially to Baylor. It could happen!
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Hopefully, nothing weird will happen to me as I never had any major grade issues and I think I have a decent balance between stats and ECs.
I will for sure add Temple and UConn onto my list, heard very good things about them for a long time. I'm also friends with this senior who got rejected by Michigan but accepted by Temple.
Detroit Mercy is pretty much a no for me because it doesn't offer in-state tuition. If I don't get into Michigan, I think I'd rather pay OOS tuition for an OOS experience since I've been here most of my life. Also, I shadowed a pedo for 20 hours and I wasn't crazy about it, so no VCU.
As for the "tennis weather" schools, I'll look into Louisville, ASDOH, as well as UCSF and maybe Florida or NOVA on top of UCLA and UoP. Does anyone have a reason why I shouldn't consider applying to one of those at all?
On the topic of tuition, what does everyone think about DDS/PhD?
I will for sure add Temple and UConn onto my list, heard very good things about them for a long time. I'm also friends with this senior who got rejected by Michigan but accepted by Temple.
Detroit Mercy is pretty much a no for me because it doesn't offer in-state tuition. If I don't get into Michigan, I think I'd rather pay OOS tuition for an OOS experience since I've been here most of my life. Also, I shadowed a pedo for 20 hours and I wasn't crazy about it, so no VCU.
As for the "tennis weather" schools, I'll look into Louisville, ASDOH, as well as UCSF and maybe Florida or NOVA on top of UCLA and UoP. Does anyone have a reason why I shouldn't consider applying to one of those at all?
On the topic of tuition, what does everyone think about DDS/PhD?
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If all you're after is free dental school, you won't survive in a dual-degree DDS/PhD program. Successful people interested in these programs know well in advanced that they want to/committed to go into academia/research before even considering the cost of dental school. It isn't a "get-out-of-debt-free" card like HPSP; it's intended for a different career path although you can still practice as GP.
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In that case, more power to you. I'd rather see someone enter that program and continue a research/academic career afterwards than have someone go after it for the free tuition alone and forget research altogether once they graduate.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=987946
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If I had to make a choice at this very moment, I would not choose to pursue DDS/PhD because I don't have enough exposure to dental research. However, this summer I'm going to dedicate a nice amount of time in a dental lab I was in last year before quitting to study for DATs to figure that stuff out, but I don't think it'll be enough to warrant admission if I did end up liking it.
It's just a topic that always comes up for me because Michigan is in-state and I know they have a great DDS/PhD program.
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Let's dig into the numbers. SA accepts around 6 OOS folks every year. Houston about none. The Baylor OOS acceptance rate is seriously inflated because of their post-bacc program that essentially guarantees spots to folks. They take applicants from OOS fairly often. It's about 10-14 spots out of the 100 that aren't actually available to other applicants. Furthermore, Baylor preferentially selects from states near Texas. Also, if you aren't a URM, you'll have no advantage at Baylor whatsoever imo, even with your stats. So of their "6" OOS folks from last year, it's likely the majority of them were not applying without one of these advantages.
I don't believe UT-SA has OOS agreements, so they may actually be a better bet, even if it's pricier.
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FWIW, UK takes a total of 65 with 40 from in state and 25 reserved for out of state. Plus they do offer some scholarships for past academic performance/DAT scores. 😉
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Change that to a 3.62 oGPA/ 3.6 sGPA. Prof decided to round a 5 credit anatomy grade up to an A-
Whew.
Not a big deal, but definitely feels better going into this cycle. That AADSAS stuff without +/- would not have played into my favor.
Whew.
Not a big deal, but definitely feels better going into this cycle. That AADSAS stuff without +/- would not have played into my favor.
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Louisville seems appealing. I wonder if they offer scholarships. Someone with the ADEA book... Help!
Okay, so maybe my list has broadened a little bit! I've posted a thread before asking people where I should apply and the response was, "Everywhere." Srsly? Nuhp.
No need for the ADEA book, just Google it:
https://louisville.edu/dental/dmd/financial-aid/financial-aid/scholarships/
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Have you even considered HPSP at all? I know it's not glamorous, as you'd have to go through some Officer Training School as well as get paid less than $100K per year for 3-4 years, but with your stats you would have a very, very good chance at getting one of the limited HPSP spots in the USN, USAF, or USA (I'd go with USAF - I was once in the USAF!).
This isn't just a scholarship - it's a free-ride and a guaranteed 3-4 years of early experience before jumping ship and starting your own practice - literally debt-free and with 4 years of hands-on experience.
Just another option that I'm sure you've looked at.
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if you're considering DDS/PhD, look into Michigan. PM me if you want to ask me more about the school. I'd be happy to answer any questions, as I'm finishing my first year into the new program.
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Glad the thread got started. I'm excited to be applying this year. I'm very nervous as well. I need to do well on my DAT as well. Haven't taken it yet. Take it next month. I have a 3.84/3.77 oGPA/sGPA
So far the schools that are on my list to apply to, are: UTMemphis, LSU, Louisville, UMKC, Baylor(reach/dream school), CWRU, Michigan, UNC, Howard.
Are there any other schools that are oos friendly?
So far the schools that are on my list to apply to, are: UTMemphis, LSU, Louisville, UMKC, Baylor(reach/dream school), CWRU, Michigan, UNC, Howard.
Are there any other schools that are oos friendly?
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UCSF, UConn, VCU. There's a sticky attached to this forum that tells you what schools are OOS-friendly. One of "doc toothache's" many Excel documents point out the OOS-friendly schools as well. Don't bother applying to schools you wouldn't attend, due to costs, even if it were the only school that you were accepted to. Fortunately, UConn is not only OOS-friendly, especially if you're from the New England area, but it is also very affordable. Some state-subsidized schools are losing funding and their tuition rates are now approaching that of private schools. In today's economic climate with high tuition rates, high interest rates, decreased dentist-to-patient ratio, lower insurance reimbursements, rapidly changing profession with midlevel providers and socialized healthcare, decreased number of procedures per patient, and the emergence of nontraditional (lacking research which stigmatize dental schools as vocational schools) private dental schools, cost should be your most significant overarching factor.
If you're applying to a Texas school using TMDSAS, you as might as well add the other Texas schools.
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