I have both books but was wondering what the consensus is for the best course? Do they have the same formats?
Kwijibo said:and passed thank god! and I didn't pick up a laryngoscope since finishing residency.
Ho and Jensen are quite different courses. Both are good, and I would recommend both to anyone. Here's what I think about them:
Ho offers more basic medical teaching in his course. He will go over a case in front of the entire group. He likes to hear himself talk sometimes and will go over very basic material(like pulse oximetry) and will spend alot of time on basic, basic stuff. You will cover approximately 1 test an hour. He does not give much feedback to the examinee in regards to their style.
Jensen's course is set up to cover as many exams as possible. He does not spend time going over the facts of the exam he gives to the examinee. He will spend 20 minutes or so on an exam and spend 15 minutes going over the answers to the questions he asked. He will tell you how to answer the questions. You obviously go over many more exams in this fashion. Jensen expects you to know Bid Red cold. I think that is why some people don't like his style. Jensens critiques the examinees style and tells them how to improve and what to watch out for.
Both examiners are aggressive examiners and you can take alot from each. I took jensen's in about march and Ho right before the exam. If I could do it again I would do it the other way around. I found myself days before the exam listening to basic stuff that I should have already known by this point in the game. I would have liked to just bang out as many exams as possible right before the exam if I could.
If I could chose one, I would chose Jensen. The Lubarsky book is a nice read as well. The whole test is about how you can answer a question. Not necessarilly what you know. My friend knew more than I did and failed because he was not ready for an aggressive examiner and did not practice enough oral exams. Don't go into it unprepared.
stephend7799 said:Ho all the way.. I didnt think he went over basic material and i spent the whole week before at his course.. IF he did. is because the questions they ask are so ******* i ng basic that people dont know how to answer them because they are looking for some meaning into it..
one of my questions on the oral board?
what does a cvp of 6 mean? My answer.. means the cvp is 6.. follow up question well what does a cvp of 10 mean? my answer.. means the cvp is ten. more importantly is the trend sir and not the actual number that i follow.. How does peep affect cvp? Peep will increase the cvp? is the wedge pressure higher than cvp and why? all the time? is there a time where it is lower? are you sure? are you sure? How does pulmonary hypertension affect the cvp? how about the wedge? would you put her to sleep if her pa pressures were 50/30? how about 40/20?
do you think her BNP is high? what is BNP? (beta natriuretic peptide) a hormone indicative of someone in chf..
The surgeon wants to proceed.. what do you tell him/ her? would you let him? He says its an emergency?
How do you get informed consent? what exactly do you tell the patients for a laparascopic cholecystectomy.
DO you get a chest xray after all central line placement? NO I do not. If there was no difficulty placing the line and a crna didnt do it. there is no clinical evidence for a pneumothorax or chylothorax then i usually forego the chest xray.. Well then why do the icu attendings get a chest film after every line placement.. My answer: I dont know.
would you extubate this patient? what is the differential for post op blindness... etcetera etcetera etcetera
see these are not hard questions.. they are basic. I mean some of them were hard.. but by enlarge they wanna know if you think clearly.. and i think Michael Ho demistifies the process.. I mean the exam was torture and i spent months and months studying non stop but go to the basics and know the basics cold..
militarymd said:uhhh...b stands for BRAIN....not Beta.....but I guess they let you pass despite your error.
militarymd said:uhhh...b stands for BRAIN....not Beta.....but I guess they let you pass despite your error.
stephend7799 said:the B in BNP is Beta... maybe brain.. but most people say beta.. even ray in his newsletter.. so enough with the sarcasm... just acknowledge that you dont know everything... sarcasm is not going to win you any points..
stephend7799 said:the B in BNP is Beta... maybe brain.. but most people say beta.. even ray in his newsletter.. so enough with the sarcasm... just acknowledge that you dont know everything... sarcasm is not going to win you any points..
Noyac said:I always understood it to mean beta and not brain. I have seen brain used but mostly I see it refered to as BETA. But I don't know everything either, as I am sure that is obvious.
stephend7799 said:Natriuretic peptide by Ray Sahelian, M.D.
cloud9 said:I've never heard it referred to as beta or read it as beta. But I'm just an intern. Maybe the terminology has changed recently.
militarymd said:ANP....BNP....
A is for atrial....the source of that peptide.
B is for brain....where it was first identified...
Common for people to think B is beta after A for alpha
militarymd said:ANP....BNP....
A is for atrial....the source of that peptide.
B is for brain....where it was first identified...
Common for people to think B is beta after A for alpha
stephend7799 said:DO you get a chest xray after all central line placement? NO I do not. If there was no difficulty placing the line and a crna didnt do it. there is no clinical evidence for a pneumothorax or chylothorax then i usually forego the chest xray.. ..
stephend7799 said:you are one stubborn dude... it must be tough living with you.. i feel bad for your wife
rn29306 said:Does this mean you never get or have gotten a pneumothorax?
stephend7799 said:see these are not hard questions.. they are basic. I mean some of them were hard.. but by enlarge they wanna know if you think clearly.. and i think Michael Ho demistifies the process.. I mean the exam was torture and i spent months and months studying non stop but go to the basics and know the basics cold..
rn29306 said:Sure, but first you go and re-attend elmentary grade English and study up on sentence formation and word choice....
stephen said:DO you get a chest xray after all central line placement? NO I do not. If there was no difficulty placing the line and a crna didnt do it. there is no clinical evidence for a pneumothorax or chylothorax then i usually forego the chest xray.. ..
rn29306 said:Does this mean you never get or have gotten a pneumothorax?
Presently, if you dont know what you are talking about you WILL not pass i can assure you that... It is obvious thats how it was when you took it.. since you passed and you have no flippin idea about anything.. and your asian.. thats an anomaly huhmilitarymd said:The orals are not hard....you can pass even when you're wrong and don't know what you're tallking about.....as long as you're not oriental and tow the line.