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A 'journal' came in the mail today - It was from the American Academy of Pain Management, which is a collection of whiney people claiming everyone should be on oxycontin.

I'm not sure why I opened it - I never do, but did today.

This is what I saw in the 'newly credentialed' section. This guy is apparently credentialed to do pain by these yahoos. Notice the part about it saying he is doing vetebroplasty. Holy crap!

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I interviewed for a job that was shady for several reasons, one of them being that they wanted me to do a lot of pain procedures including kyphoplasty and vertebroplasty, without a fellowship. They assured me I could get a certificate from an alternate pain society.

I kept looking and found something much better.
 
So now these clown "anesthetists" are implanting spinal cord stimulators i mean you have to have huge balls or be incredibly stupid 😱
 
Can someone please explain this educational pathway?


Mr. Cain received his bachelor's degree in anesthesia from La Roche college...
 
Can someone please explain this educational pathway?

Back in the 80's and earlier, nurse anesthesia was almost exclusively a certificate-only program. Very few offered degrees because, well, very few nurses had degrees to begin with. Most nurses back then went to a 2-3 yr "diploma" nursing program - no degree, just a diploma. And, many if not most nurse anesthesia programs were relatively small programs based in community hospitals, not nursing schools or major medical centers. Of course their were exceptions like Mayo and others, but there were plenty of schools run in hospitals, and their primary purpose was to train their own steady stream of anesthetists. Many trained and then became employed by the same hospital. Many thousands of nurses went straight from nursing school directly into a nurse anesthesia program. These progams granted a "certificate in nurse anesthesia". Not a degree, just a piece of paper saying they finished their program.

Note that until AA's came along in the 70's granting master's degrees in anesthesia, virtually no CRNA's had master's degrees (OK, a few). The norm however was nursing diploma and anesthesia certificate. There were, and still are, many thousands of practicing CRNA's that have no nursing degree and no anesthesia degree whatsoever - diploma and certificate, that's it. If they have a degree, they got it later.

In the 80's, there started to be more degree-granting programs for CRNA's and dozens of the certificate-only programs disappeared over the next 10-15 years. The programs that remained started affiliating with college and university nursing schools so they could start granting degrees. It's important to note - the requirements for nurse anesthesia students to hold a BSN and for the programs to grant a master's degree, is a relatively new creation that didn't happen until the 1990's. They would like you to think that each and every CRNA in the country holds at least a Master's degree. They do not. They're easy to find - nurses LOVE initials after their name, the more the better. If they're "just" a CRNA, that's usually all you'll see. But if they have a degree, you'll likely see it all - Betty Boop, CRNA, BSN, MSN, CCRN, ARNP, etc., ad nauseum.

Now the move is on to the absurd DNAP, which is supposed to be the standard by 2025 - interestingly, the AANA strongly opposed this concept, but now are grudgingly embracing it. Why? Well the Doctor Nurse, of course. It would be at least a little improvement if they actually included more clinical education in this new concept. But no - the extra year is taken up almost in its entirety by nursing theory, political concepts, and the business of anesthesia. Shoot, it can even be done online as an upgrade, masters to DNAP. It will be interesting to see if this slows down the rate of CRNA education - some of these programs barely function at the masters level, and upgrading to the DNAP takes more faculty with higher degrees and a lot more money. It also increases the cost of their education significantly - pretty stupid without a corresponding increase in clinical exposure, particularly in this economic climate. More money for education, for anyone, for anything? Doesn't seem likely. Of course it will be interesting to see how it pans out. The associate degree RN was supposed to disappear 30 years ago and the BSN was supposed to be the "entry level" for nursing. It never happened.
 
As a side note, in the 80's nurse anesthetist made less money than floor nurses. Only those who really like it, or the narcotics, went into it.
 
Wow! How does one argue that vertebroplasty is within the scope of practice of a nurse?

Not an issue for argument if no one makes it one. Kind of makes you wonder how far they could take this-- where is the line where you find vocal opposition by *someone*. Anything for which there is a weekend training course I suspect is fair game to the aggressive midlevel.
 
If they do SCS, I think we all want to know what company is providing them equipment to use. Because I would make that public and strangle any doc who used them after that.
 
Support PA in anesthesia
THere is NO reason on gods green earth that PAs cant have a training program to become anesthetists. We need anesthetists who embrace the anesthesia care team model. Crnas want no longer, based on their rhetoric, to be part of a team.

The leadership in the ASA are droppin the ball for political reasons. We need better leadership
 
Support PA in anesthesia
THere is NO reason on gods green earth that PAs cant have a training program to become anesthetists. We need anesthetists who embrace the anesthesia care team model. Crnas want no longer, based on their rhetoric, to be part of a team.

The leadership in the ASA are droppin the ball for political reasons. We need better leadership

Oh it's you again. What is this, your 8th username?
 
Support PA in anesthesia
THere is NO reason on gods green earth that PAs cant have a training program to become anesthetists. We need anesthetists who embrace the anesthesia care team model. Crnas want no longer, based on their rhetoric, to be part of a team.

The leadership in the ASA are droppin the ball for political reasons. We need better leadership

i just fail to see how incorporating another brand of mid-level provider will help this situation (no doubt it will help PAs/PA programs). how does this do anything but create competition for those spots and ultimately lead to a DPA program where you can practice independently?
 
devils advocate: he is credentialed to work there, but perhaps not to perform those procedures that his bio says he is "certified" to do. he may only perform exams/sedation/trigger point injections. probably not...maybe someone should call this group and ask them?

edit: never mind, i looked at the website. 3 MDs, 5 NPs, 6 CRNAs, 6 PAs, the physicians are fairly respectable, I guess they are comfortable with the setup.
 
Credentials for CRNA PhD named DeFeo in the same group:
BN, MN, DN, PhD American Institute of Holistic Theology. AL (1996-2005)

What the heck are all of those BN, DN, MN things?
American Institute of Holistic Theology? PhD? Seriously?

Surprise, I looked it up on line and it is a sham on line university PhD mill. Seriously??
 
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