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First things first, I'm a 2nd year medical student at a top 15 med school. I took no time off before entering med school. I had a decent MCAT and GPA in college before coming here. I am not an URM nor do I have any special circumstances. Since I am only a 2nd year, this post is about the pre-clinical part of med school.

Why am I writing this? Because med school, unlike college, is regimental. Certain knowledge early on can ease the transition and make med school what you want it to be, whether thats academic superiority or relative relaxation.

Step 1: Form a goal. What do you want to achieve in med school and AFTER med school? Do you want to get on the ROAD? Do you want to do focus on research? Do you want to save up energy for residency? Please look up the table of job satisfaction by residency and read about the MATCH process before making a decision.

Burn out is inevitable if you keep running at 110%. It's a bit odd/irrational/non-productive if you are putting more effort into the books than you are into your patients during 3rd year so make sure you have enough gas down the line (including years of residency). Are you incorporating your own mental sanity in your goals?

Step 2: Be prepared to break your goals. The one thing I would say about med school is that everyone is smart. In college, I often felt that if I worked harder, I could pull up my grade. In med school, I feel like when i get a strong urge to study, everyone else has it too. Any extra time or effort I put in seems to be matched by my classmates. So, you learn to accept your rank. This does not mean you learn to slack, you work harder than ever to stay afloat.

Step 3: Unless you really are a genius, be prepared to exchange grades for a life in med school. The people that do the best tend to restrict their outside activities. This doesn't mean they are boring, gunners, or nerds. It just means some people made a personal choice to put some things on hold to study while other people don't. I often ask myself is going to a party worth 3-4 points on the test. Sometimes I said yes, sometimes no. It may seem like there are people who party hard and ace tests but see if they are still doing that second semester. Some people come in with college knowledge that quickly become depleted after the first semester. If you are somehow able to have a life and stay ahead of the curve, please tell me how.

Step 4: Find 2-3 people you can rely on to back up notes, small groups, handouts etc. At my school, small group tutorials can be so variable that its crucial to have backup. But don't let it be a crutch.

Step 5: Find a study method that works. This is said so often, it's become inane. I'll try to give some specifics: two people all in the top 10% of the class.
MedStudent1 goes to all the classes, takes copious notes, and is profoundly diligent. He spends a good amount of time studying the lectures but has time to go to the gym and cook everyday.
MedStudent2 goes to no classes but watches them on video at home. He takes minimal notes but tries to learn the concepts from both lectures and review books. He has a few weeks of relative ease followed by some serious cramming.

My point is that both of these people get it done. It's just what you find works. If you procrastinate or have a short attention span, force yourself to study early. If you get bogged down by textbook reading, don't do it. Focus on the lectures and get the abridged BRS version. The one thing people who do well in med school have is a habit that they stick to. If cramming is your habit and you see good results then go nuts. Just don't "plan" to study early but then find yourself cramming.

Step 6: Know what materials to use. At my school, 75% of our tests are based on lecture alone. I don't understand why some people spend hundreds of dollars each semester buying every textbook in existence. Go to the library, check out a few books and see which book you absorb the best. Buy it and read it. I'm pretty sure I've spent less than $200 on books in total.
Some popular books are:

Costanzo for physio/biochem/metabolism
BRS (board review series) anatomy
BRS clinical cases for physiology
High Yield series for embyro and some misc stuff
Goljian (author) Quick Review for Pathology
Robbins (there are many different lengths of this book. Find the size that works for you) for Pathology
Blumenfield for neuro
Microbiology made ridiculously simple

Used editions of all of these will run you about 150$. And for the love of God, don't buy any large biochem book. It'll be useless in a couple of days.

Step 7: Hound the M2 and M3 about the specifics of each course. The tests at my school varies hugely from subject to subject. I save hours and hours because I knew what to focus on.

Step 8: Keep a low profile the first couple of weeks. The start of med school is often a rush of emotion, motivation, and goals that will flatten out over the course of first year. Keep a level head from the start. Remember, the guy sitting next to you might very well be your boss in the future. You have plenty of time to get to know people; don't pigeon-hole yourself too early.

Step 9: Keep motivated by focusing on whats important about the material you are studying. Believe when I say, you will learn some absolutely useless useless things. Don't ignore the details or pretend you can "big picture" all the lectures. Get the facts down and tell yourself they may come up on the boards (tests to determine residency position). You might get pimped (attendings quizzing you on rounds) on the detail in third year. A patient (gasp!) might benefit from that little detail.

Step 10: Keep alive the spark of novelty. I'm still shocked that I get to be a doctor one day. Yes, its a drag to study all day. Yes, my social life has suffered. Yes, I've bitched and moaned. But in the end, I know what I do everyday is important. Good luck.
 
Hey, thanks for the tips. Hopefully I will come back to this thread someday and reference your little list of popular texts 🙂.
 
Wow, thank you so much! I think I've heard almost all of this advice at one time or another during this mind-boggling journey, but it's nice to have it in writing. I'm really excited yet freaked-out at the same time.
 
whew. good advice. thanks 🙂
 
thank you, extremely insightful.
 
First things first, I'm a 2nd year medical student at a top 15 med school. I took no time off before entering med school. I had a decent MCAT and GPA in college before coming here. I am not an URM nor do I have any special circumstances. Since I am only a 2nd year, this post is about the pre-clinical part of med school.

Why am I writing this? Because med school, unlike college, is regimental. Certain knowledge early on can ease the transition and make med school what you want it to be, whether thats academic superiority or relative relaxation.

Step 1: Form a goal. What do you want to achieve in med school and AFTER med school? Do you want to get on the ROAD? Do you want to do focus on research? Do you want to save up energy for residency? Please look up the table of job satisfaction by residency and read about the MATCH process before making a decision.

Burn out is inevitable if you keep running at 110%. It's a bit odd/irrational/non-productive if you are putting more effort into the books than you are into your patients during 3rd year so make sure you have enough gas down the line (including years of residency). Are you incorporating your own mental sanity in your goals?

Step 2: Be prepared to break your goals. The one thing I would say about med school is that everyone is smart. In college, I often felt that if I worked harder, I could pull up my grade. In med school, I feel like when i get a strong urge to study, everyone else has it too. Any extra time or effort I put in seems to be matched by my classmates. So, you learn to accept your rank. This does not mean you learn to slack, you work harder than ever to stay afloat.

Step 3: Unless you really are a genius, be prepared to exchange grades for a life in med school. The people that do the best tend to restrict their outside activities. This doesn't mean they are boring, gunners, or nerds. It just means some people made a personal choice to put some things on hold to study while other people don't. I often ask myself is going to a party worth 3-4 points on the test. Sometimes I said yes, sometimes no. It may seem like there are people who party hard and ace tests but see if they are still doing that second semester. Some people come in with college knowledge that quickly become depleted after the first semester. If you are somehow able to have a life and stay ahead of the curve, please tell me how.

Step 4: Find 2-3 people you can rely on to back up notes, small groups, handouts etc. At my school, small group tutorials can be so variable that its crucial to have backup. But don't let it be a crutch.

Step 5: Find a study method that works. This is said so often, it's become inane. I'll try to give some specifics: two people all in the top 10% of the class.
MedStudent1 goes to all the classes, takes copious notes, and is profoundly diligent. He spends a good amount of time studying the lectures but has time to go to the gym and cook everyday.
MedStudent2 goes to no classes but watches them on video at home. He takes minimal notes but tries to learn the concepts from both lectures and review books. He has a few weeks of relative ease followed by some serious cramming.

My point is that both of these people get it done. It's just what you find works. If you procrastinate or have a short attention span, force yourself to study early. If you get bogged down by textbook reading, don't do it. Focus on the lectures and get the abridged BRS version. The one thing people who do well in med school have is a habit that they stick to. If cramming is your habit and you see good results then go nuts. Just don't "plan" to study early but then find yourself cramming.

Step 6: Know what materials to use. At my school, 75% of our tests are based on lecture alone. I don't understand why some people spend hundreds of dollars each semester buying every textbook in existence. Go to the library, check out a few books and see which book you absorb the best. Buy it and read it. I'm pretty sure I've spent less than $200 on books in total.
Some popular books are:

Costanzo for physio/biochem/metabolism
BRS (board review series) anatomy
BRS clinical cases for physiology
High Yield series for embyro and some misc stuff
Goljian (author) Quick Review for Pathology
Robbins (there are many different lengths of this book. Find the size that works for you) for Pathology
Blumenfield for neuro
Microbiology made ridiculously simple

Used editions of all of these will run you about 150$. And for the love of God, don't buy any large biochem book. It'll be useless in a couple of days.

Step 7: Hound the M2 and M3 about the specifics of each course. The tests at my school varies hugely from subject to subject. I save hours and hours because I knew what to focus on.

Step 8: Keep a low profile the first couple of weeks. The start of med school is often a rush of emotion, motivation, and goals that will flatten out over the course of first year. Keep a level head from the start. Remember, the guy sitting next to you might very well be your boss in the future. You have plenty of time to get to know people; don't pigeon-hole yourself too early.

Step 9: Keep motivated by focusing on whats important about the material you are studying. Believe when I say, you will learn some absolutely useless useless things. Don't ignore the details or pretend you can "big picture" all the lectures. Get the facts down and tell yourself they may come up on the boards (tests to determine residency position). You might get pimped (attendings quizzing you on rounds) on the detail in third year. A patient (gasp!) might benefit from that little detail.

Step 10: Keep alive the spark of novelty. I'm still shocked that I get to be a doctor one day. Yes, its a drag to study all day. Yes, my social life has suffered. Yes, I've bitched and moaned. But in the end, I know what I do everyday is important. Good luck.

your awesome for taking the time to write that! i hope you do well man (or woman).
 
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awesome, thanks so much 🙂
 
Thank you. I will make good use of your advice.
 
Step 5: Find a study method that works. This is said so often, it's become inane. I'll try to give some specifics: two people all in the top 10% of the class.
MedStudent1 goes to all the classes, takes copious notes, and is profoundly diligent. He spends a good amount of time studying the lectures but has time to go to the gym and cook everyday.
MedStudent2 goes to no classes but watches them on video at home. He takes minimal notes but tries to learn the concepts from both lectures and review books. He has a few weeks of relative ease followed by some serious cramming.

My point is that both of these people get it done. It's just what you find works. If you procrastinate or have a short attention span, force yourself to study early. If you get bogged down by textbook reading, don't do it. Focus on the lectures and get the abridged BRS version. The one thing people who do well in med school have is a habit that they stick to. If cramming is your habit and you see good results then go nuts. Just don't "plan" to study early but then find yourself cramming.
Good post overall. But don't be student number 2. Studying to pass the exam is not the same as studying to be a good doctor. Cramming =/= learning, and anyone who says that it is, they're fooling themselves.
 
I agree with you RLin, but there's so much material, I think the person that crams effectively still knows more than the person who got off-track. I feel like I'm a sponge everyday and I pick up as much as I can. It's not really in my abilities to whip the counter dry so to speak.
 
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Some more advice from a MS3 with basically same background:

1. If your school has syllabi and your profs say they test from those, dont bog yourself down with lots of supplemental material (unless you really need it do clarify material). My school was really good about this and it kept our learning focus on one source. I dont I know anyone that actually read Robbins during the school year.

2. The stuff you learn as a MS2 is really important for the boards. How well you learn it now kind of determines how much studying you'll have to do later for Step 1. You'll forget a lot of the details once a class is over but if you've build a solid foundation, it'll make re-studying the material a lot easier

3. One study method my friends and I found to be help was to make outlines and tables of all the material in syllabi + lecture. It was a good way to condense all the information into easily digestible packets that retained all the peritnent info w/o all the fluff. We would split up the work so each person wasnt bogged down w/ busy work. The system seemed to be pretty efficient and everyone did really well. We would work on these chapter by chapter and usually by about 1 week prior to the test all the outlines for that test will be ready and we'd just study from that rather than anything else. Just make sure the people you incorporate are good about these things and actually know how to work a computer. We included a friend that was amazingly bad at make a basic outline and even worse at making tables. The rest of us just ended up redoing all his work without actualy kicking him out of teh group.
 
It is so valuable getting advice like this before we start so we can hit the ground running -- thank you for taking the time to write this all out.
 
SDN at its finest!!!! Thanks for ur generosity n goodwill...
 
saved for future. Thank you for taking the time to write this out!
 
Great post. I haven't been in school for a while so I'm very worried. But I have hopes that the transition will be good. Thanks. 👍
 
👍👍 even from a current 1st yr med student...invaluable advice IMO
 
thanks for a great post
 
At this point (MS0) I am willing to take any advice that I can get. It seems logical and solid, from my limited POV. Thanks OP
 
Great post, saved for use in the near future.
 
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Thank you. That was very thoughtful. 👍
 
This is why SDN was created.

If you are anywhere near Rochester (NY or MN) over the course of the next year I will buy you a beer of your choice.

👍
 
Thanks. I knew I checked these boards for a reason.
 
Thought this thread should be bumped because I think it's really useful!
 
what about health care reform? How will this affect my studying?
 
Good post overall. But don't be student number 2. Studying to pass the exam is not the same as studying to be a good doctor. Cramming =/= learning, and anyone who says that it is, they're fooling themselves.

Let's be honest, all of med school is cramming. And not going to lectures doesn't mean a thing when it comes to your over all performance. The kids who get the best grades in my class don't go to lecture...just sayin'
 
Forgot about this thread. Thanks again!
 
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That was very good post to read through, very motivating. Having been out of school for three years, regularly attending classes and studying for exams seems almost foreign. Now that I am at the onset of medical school, I have found myself contemplating long-term goals and their implications, something I take as a sign of maturity.

The reason being that I don't recall having any great ambitions or goals when I first started college. It was until the last two years of undergrad when my interests and strengths began to coalesce into a greater understanding. I wasn't struggling to study anymore as I found a groove that maximized my interest and efforts. Applying those lessons towards medical school is something I anticipate greatly and I really can't wait to get started.
 
excellent post!!
i am a MS1 and had to learn quite a bit of that stuff the hard way, finding it out on my own.

i am a lot closer to med student 2...its really hard for me to be like the first one because some days you are so exhausted, burnt out, and pissed off at the world that the last thing you want to do is go over the 4 lectures you had that day, so you take a day or two or three off but you know that the upcoming weekend will be a little hellish.
also, i just want to say that the amount of material you are expected to learn is absurd - we covered all of neuroanatomy in ~3.5 weeks - and some good review books will be way better than extra textbooks. for example. i bought the required Neuroscience textbook and have not opened it once for the entire time we did neuro. however, i have the BRS physio notes and i make sure i read those day before the exam at least!
 
I wonder if anyone else would like to contribute to this awesome post 😀
 
Great post! Thx for the advice!
 
Excellent post for the academic side of things especially.

I can add that I think it is very important to make a few close relationships with classmates and always be friendly to EVERYONE and do not judge your classmates until you get to know them personally. I feel like I could walk up to any one of my classmates if I had a problem and they would help me out or we could just talk. Making these connections really helps keep your spirits up.

On the other hand, don't be afraid to turn down some social events. They will still be your friends and they aren't going anywhere. But seriously, find a balance and learn to love your classmates.


One more thing: if you plan to do research your summer after first year, start finding a lab EARLY. Like September. Doctors are busy.
 
Excellent post for the academic side of things especially.

I can add that I think it is very important to make a few close relationships with classmates and always be friendly to EVERYONE and do not judge your classmates until you get to know them personally. I feel like I could walk up to any one of my classmates if I had a problem and they would help me out or we could just talk. Making these connections really helps keep your spirits up.

On the other hand, don't be afraid to turn down some social events. They will still be your friends and they aren't going anywhere. But seriously, find a balance and learn to love your classmates.


One more thing: if you plan to do research your summer after first year, start finding a lab EARLY. Like September. Doctors are busy.

This is a great thread and thanks to all who contributed!
 
One more thing: if you plan to do research your summer after first year, start finding a lab EARLY. Like September. Doctors are busy.

And IRBs are slow.
 
The best piece of advice that I have for incoming medical students is if you don't know what you want to do ACTIVELY try to figure it out. A lot of 4th year students were kind of waiting around for that "ah ha!" moment but it never came.

Yeah you can change your mind, that's fine. But in third year you probably will only have exposure to FM, peds, medicine, surgery, psych, obgyn, and maybe neuro/EM/other random things. There are so many choices that are so far off the radar in the first three years of med school that may be the perfect fit for you.

Shadow docs, take shifts in the ED, go to interest groups, do whatever. Just don't sit back and wait.
 
I've finished the pre-clerkship curriculum and have started clerkships.

My only advice is to remember to take time for yourself. This is a marathon that you're in, not a sprint. You will burn out if you try to do everything all the time. Take a weekend away every once and a while, and don't worry about school work. Have a girl's/boy's night out every once and a while (these are something that I really look forward to now that I don't see my friends in class all the time).

No one is going to care in 10 years whether you were AOA or not, and only a small percentage of your class will get it. Do other things... spend some time volunteering, do research if that's your thing, get involved in student government... just do something that isn't academic.
 
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