Honestly...how do you all afford this process?

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Throwing in a plug here for one of our SDN tools, the Medical School Application Cost Calculator. It can help you get a sense of how much it will cost to apply to medical school:

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It doesn't make the process any cheaper, but it can help you identify where you might be able to save some money.

I like this tool but for the future, it would be nice to have an option for those of us who have FAP. To the OP, FAP and a job is my way of paying. I took two gap years because I have no familial support and have to save up.
 
To be honest, my immediate family is low-income, but I'll be fortunate enough to receive assistance from distant family.

I have a friend who was displaced as a youth who gets a scholarship to help pay for MCAT/cycle costs too.
 
I am a full-time student about to apply to medical school in June. I work 20 hours a week (about as much as I can), but with living expenses, I feel like I won't be able to save enough for the entire medical school application process. My family cannot afford to help me financially, and they are literally trying to tell me to "apply to fewer or less-prestigious (as if that affects the cost) schools"--none of them have gone to college let alone medical or grad school, and they honestly do not understand how much effort it takes to get into medical school, or how much work I have invested to make myself competitive at the schools that I want to apply to. I also had to turn down an NIH postbac offer because my family can't afford to help me make the transition to Bethesda. Really just sucks...

I just hate how expensive this process is, and how it favors those from well-off families (not that y'all aren't working just as hard but you know what I mean). I'm sure a similar rant has been posted, but I am just now beginning to understand how frustrating it is. What do you folks do?
Paging @The White Coat Investor for comments?
 
A student who hasn’t borrowed their full amount (7500 for juniors and senior), and weren’t give aid up to cost of attendance, can contact their FA office now and ask for a loan for THE CURRENT school year...but you must submit FAFSA soon, if you havent already.

For example. Say that your undergrad costs $50k and you were given $35k in grants and work study, and your parents paid the other 15k. If you’ve fill out FAFSA (or do so soon), you can ask the FA office for a Direct Loan of up to $7500. Doubt you’d need that much, so only ask for what you’d need.
 
To be honest, my immediate family is low-income, but I'll be fortunate enough to receive assistance from distant family.

I have a friend who was displaced as a youth who gets a scholarship to help pay for MCAT/cycle costs too.

Why wouldn’t you qualify for FAP or whatever is available for low income applicants?
 
I don't understand the system why they assume parents are willing to or have to pay for their at least 22+ year old kids. I mean, we aren't really kids, at all.
 
I don't understand the system why they assume parents are willing to or have to pay for their at least 22+ year old kids. I mean, we aren't really kids, at all.
I feel like it is a way to justify not giving students aid for school, since parental income is factored in financial aid estimations. It is unfortunate for people who get dinged when they have wealthy parents who in reality are not supportive at all. However I have also heard that schools take a financial loss in regards to training med students so it is complicated system to say the least.
 
I don't understand the system why they assume parents are willing to or have to pay for their at least 22+ year old kids. I mean, we aren't really kids, at all.

You’d be surprised how much some parents contribute...

Mine didn’t give me a cent past high school graduation. Sure, it sucks when wealthy parents don’t help their kids out, but it would suck more to for everyone to be on “equal footing” and still having these wealthy parents help out their kids.

Is it ideal? Not at all. But it helps those who arguably need it the most.
 
I don't understand the system why they assume parents are willing to or have to pay for their at least 22+ year old kids. I mean, we aren't really kids, at all.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you sort of are. There's a reason why you can stay on your parents' insurance until you're 25 or something, why adolescent medicine covers through 24-25, etc. That said, I totally agree with you re: FAP.
 
let's say we have two students, one with rich parents and one coming from a low income family.
If both of the students have $2000 in their savings account. Do you want to take the money from the student with poor family and risk not having enough money in case of an emergency, or take it from the student with rich parents that might support their child if anything happen.
 
These numbers explain the situation
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let's say we have two students, one with rich parents and one coming from a low income family.
If both of the students have $2000 in their savings account. Do you want to take the money from the student with poor family and risk not having enough money in case of an emergency, or take it from the student with rich parents that might support their child if anything happen.

I generally agree with you, but it does sometimes **** over people in situations where their parents technically make too much, but can't contribute anything because of their expenses, etc. I would have been in that situation when I was 22 and would probably have had to take a gap year to work in order to save money for the application process--maybe two.
 
These numbers explain the situation
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Whoa, this is great! Would be interesting to compare also to what % of the US population those income brackets contain, and then what % of people from those households are students who go to college
 
I feel like it is a way to justify not giving students aid for school, since parental income is factored in financial aid estimations. It is unfortunate for people who get dinged when they have wealthy parents who in reality are not supportive at all. However I have also heard that schools take a financial loss in regards to training med students so it is complicated system to say the least.
It is just incorrect and stupid to assume med students as dependents. Heck many of us are nontrads >30 yrs old.
 
Whoa, this is great! Would be interesting to compare also to what % of the US population those income brackets contain, and then what % of people from those households are students who go to college
The median income of parents (in 2010) for the entering class was $110,000. The median income in the US (in 2018) is certainly nowhere near that.
 
I'm almost 30 y/o but didn't qualify for FAP due to parental income (it's actually mostly my step parents income, which makes it all the more complicated.) Anyway, I took out a credit card that was zero interest for 18 months and had a cash back bonus after I spent a certain amount in the first 3 months. I also only applied to 9 schools, which I can't say I recommend as I don't have an acceptance yet. Don't forget to factor in interview travel, which can get very expensive as well.
 
Is FAP given on a sliding scale or is it all or nothing? If parent A’s income is 1k above the cut-off and parent B’s income is 1k below the cut-off, does the child of parent B potentially get a free MCAT prep class, their MCAT paid for, free or little application fees, and possibly a full ride scholarship through med school while the child of parent A has to take a gap year to save up to afford the MCAT, app cycle, and racks up 300k in debt? The parents of child A are not rich by any means and can’t afford to even take vacations.
 
Is FAP given on a sliding scale or is it all or nothing? If parent A’s income is 1k above the cut-off and parent B’s income is 1k below the cut-off, does the child of parent B potentially get a free MCAT prep class, their MCAT paid for, and possibly a free ride through med school while the child of parent A has to take a gap year to save up to afford the MCAT, app cycle, and racks up 300k in debt?

FAP only gives a discount on MCAT and gives the practice material for free. It also only gives 15 free school applications (edit: not that this isn't great), it doesn't pay for medical school itself.

As to your question I'm not sure it's that cut and dry. They each situation differently but I think the minimum requirement is to be below the income they set for your family size.
 
How much does it cost to apply to med school? Around $5000?

Can't one job in the summer pay for that?? Asking so that I'm fully prepared when I do apply.

Edir: Just used the tool @WildWing linked. It'll cost around $5k on the high end. I can save that much before my application cycle
 
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How much does it cost to apply to med school? Around $5000?

Can't one job in the summer pay for that?? Asking so that I'm fully prepared when I do apply.

Edir: Just used the tool @WildWing linked. It'll cost around $5k on the high end. I can save that much before my application cycle

Not everyone has no financial obligations other than saving for medical school.
 
Driving is underrated and when facing little to no financial flexibility, I and anyone else can do what is necessary if it is within reason. Obviously, I don't expect an applicant to drive from Cali to NY for an interview. But with planning and a lot of luck also i.e. car does not break down in the middle of the desert at night with no cell phone coverage, it is possible to save $$ and have a successful cycle.

The ways I saved thousands this cycle on travel, food, and lodging were by waking up at 1AM, 2AM, or 3AM to drive the 4, 3 or 2 hours it took to drive to the schools.

-Total Miles driven = approx. 4570-4600
-Total hours on the road = approx. 53-55

Ex: I woke up at 2AM to drive 4 hrs to the city and showered/changed at a gym before arriving at the school.
Ex: Sustenance with the exception of below was limited to what the school provided.
EX: I left at 10PM a day early to drive the 13 hours to my first interview where I spent approx. $60 on a cheap motel and a burger combo.

It can be done if $$ is an issue.
 
I think you already have good advice above, but what saved me a butt load of money is I applied to very very few schools. You have to be smart in choosing the schools that you have a good chance and ones you’d be willing to attend.
If you do or don’t qualify for FAP, email each school when you receive secondaries and explain your situation. Explain yourself and maybe why you couldn’t qualify for FAP, but still have trouble paying fees but also talk about you really want to go there. Doesn’t hurt to ask. This can also work for interview. I have a friend who was URM and he spoke to schools when he got an interview and out the 50 schools he applied for he received 20 some IIs and then negotiated to go to 10-15 that payed for his hotel or flight. Could be n=1 though. Good luck!


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I am a full-time student about to apply to medical school in June. I work 20 hours a week (about as much as I can), but with living expenses, I feel like I won't be able to save enough for the entire medical school application process. My family cannot afford to help me financially, and they are literally trying to tell me to "apply to fewer or less-prestigious (as if that affects the cost) schools"--none of them have gone to college let alone medical or grad school, and they honestly do not understand how much effort it takes to get into medical school, or how much work I have invested to make myself competitive at the schools that I want to apply to. I also had to turn down an NIH postbac offer because my family can't afford to help me make the transition to Bethesda. Really just sucks...

I just hate how expensive this process is, and how it favors those from well-off families (not that y'all aren't working just as hard but you know what I mean). I'm sure a similar rant has been posted, but I am just now beginning to understand how frustrating it is. What do you folks do?


First I'm going to rant, then I'm going to offer some useful comments, so if the first part pisses you off, stick with it and maybe you'll find a useful pearl.

How do you afford anything? How do you afford rent? How do you afford food? How do you afford tuition? Either someone gives it to you because they're wealthy, because you're poor, or because you're meritorious, you borrow it, or you earn it by working. It's like these yeahoos asking "how do you afford health insurance when you retire early?" You afford it just like you afford food and property taxes. It's just another one of your expenses. There's nothing magic about application costs.

Now, for something helpful:

# 1 Get a job. I know, crazy. I had one as an undergraduate. I also had one as a medical student. I had a second one when I was a resident. And when I was a military attending. And even now that I'm a private practice attending. My kids all know where money comes from. I ask them, "Where does money come from?" They answer, "Work." Because it's true. What is money? It's the time and life energy you exchange for it. Got too much time and life energy and not enough money? Make the exchange, at the best rate you can.

# 2 Borrow it. There's a reason most people have debt problems- debt is incredibly easy to get! Lending Club, Prosper, Credit Cards, Title Loans, student loans, family loans, HELOCs, you name it. If it gets you into medical school, it's likely a good investment. Obviously, the better the rate and terms the better. If you end up with a bad loan, wipe it out with your first medical school loan installment. Why not borrow a little more the year you apply or better yet spend a little less by eating beans and rice and use the difference?

# 3 Sell stuff. You might be surprised how many of your fellow undergrads don't have a car or even a nice bike. Be like them, and use the difference to apply to medical school.

# 4 Beg. There's the Fee Assistance Program. If your parents make too much for you to qualify, beg your parents.

# 5 Get in the first time. Do it right the first time. Apply to enough schools. Get your applications in early. Make sure they're perfect, you spend good money on them. It isn't that applying again next year is so expensive, it's the $200-400K you lost for that year you're not an attending physician.

I don't know if I would have qualified for the FAP or if it even existed when I applied, but I can tell you this- I paid my own application fees and travel costs from money I made working a job.
 
@Sunbodi I'm only replying because you got my taylor swift reference. How many schools are you thinking of applying to?
 
@Sunbodi I'm only replying because you got my taylor swift reference. How many schools are you thinking of applying to?
Average is 15 so probably around 20. I always tell myself I'll apply to more schools/programs etc. than I actually apply to (only applied to one college) but I'll actually kick myself in the shin if I do the same with medical school. Medical school admissions is not a game I'm going to take lightly.
 
Average is 15 so probably around 20. I always tell myself I'll apply to more schools/programs etc. than I actually apply to (only applied to one college) but I'll actually kick myself in the shin if I do the same with medical school. Medical school admissions is not a game I'm going to take lightly.

I spent around $5000. I live in the West coast and I had to fly to the East coast for half my interviews. It would have been $4000 if I didn't take one of my interviews... but that interview gained me an acceptance that gave me a scholarship. I'll keep you updated whether that scholarship will help me land an extra scholarship at my #1 choice. I primarily crashed with friends and med students but 2 of the interviews I had to get my own hotel because they didn't offer med student hosting. I drove 4 hours to one of my interviews too. Did it suck? Meh, it was a nice drive and saved some money.

My original list was 18 school. I added 5 more schools because a lot of my friends applied to so much more so I got a bit worried. And maybe because 23 is Michael Jordan's number... haha. I regret doing that because I only got 1 extra interview from those schools and I actually didn't attend it because I wasn't really interested in the school. So I wasted an extra $600.

Getting interviews depends on your on your entire application though. I have a LizzyM of 70-71 and a lot of ECs. One tip, apply for an airline credit card and use it to pay for your primary and 2ndaries. I missed out on 2-3 flights because I didn't use one. That could of saved some money too.
 
I spent around $5000. I live in the West coast and I had to fly to the East coast for half my interviews. It would have been $4000 if I didn't take one of my interviews... but that interview gained me an acceptance that gave me a scholarship. I'll keep you updated whether that scholarship will help me land an extra scholarship at my #1 choice. I primarily crashed with friends and med students but 2 of the interviews I had to get my own hotel because they didn't offer med student hosting. I drove 4 hours to one of my interviews too. Did it suck? Meh, it was a nice drive and saved some money.

My original list was 18 school. I added 5 more schools because a lot of my friends applied to so much more so I got a bit worried. And maybe because 23 is Michael Jordan's number... haha. I regret doing that because I only got 1 extra interview from those schools and I actually didn't attend it because I wasn't really interested in the school. So I wasted an extra $600.

Getting interviews depends on your on your entire application though. I have a LizzyM of 70-71 and a lot of ECs. One tip, apply for an airline credit card and use it to pay for your primary and 2ndaries. I missed out on 2-3 flights because I didn't use one. That could of saved some money too.
Yes I heard about the airline thing. I'm fortunate to have started SDN right off the bat so I knew the costs going in. I still have time to save money and although the flight deal sounds amazing my dad would force me to eat up my savings before opening up a credit card.

Also it's nice you're going through such an amazing application cycle. I hope mine goes well, it's scary hearing about everything from 2017-2018 applicants but it's a breath of fresh air hearing success stories like yours.
 
@Sunbodi , you'll be fine. Apply early! I submitted primary end of June... if I got it in earlier, I think I would have gotten more interviews. Other tips, practice interviewing. I was interviewing for jobs (Stanford, Kaiser Permanente) and their interview questions were helpful in prepping me for my med school interviews. I also ran mock interviews with friends, someone who conducts interviews for UCSF, and family. It was EXTREMELY helpful.
 
@Sunbodi , its not reallly a credit card if you pay it off quickly. I would apply for it and just pay it off COMPLETELY. As long as you don't rack up any interest fees, its free money! Just make sure not to use it to buy anything you weren't going to buy or need... like med school apparel. haha
 
@Sunbodi , its not reallly a credit card if you pay it off quickly. I would apply for it and just pay it off COMPLETELY. As long as you don't rack up any interest fees, its free money! Just make sure not to use it to buy anything you weren't going to buy or need... like med school apparel. haha
Actually that's a great idea!! My dad wanted to get me a credit card and have me pay it off immediately to build my credit. I ended up cutting the credit card because I was scared of not fully paying off my bills!

I'll definitely do this and tell my dad about it. Thanks for the help 🙂

@Sunbodi , you'll be fine. Apply early! I submitted primary end of June... if I got it in earlier, I think I would have gotten more interviews. Other tips, practice interviewing. I was interviewing for jobs (Stanford, Kaiser Permanente) and their interview questions were helpful in prepping me for my med school interviews. I also ran mock interviews with friends, someone who conducts interviews for UCSF, and family. It was EXTREMELY helpful.
Thanks! I'll work on interviews as you suggested but I don't have to apply until 2019. My main concerns right now are GPA + MCAT. My GPA started off a bit low freshman year so I'm slowly bringing it up. I also have to get through the MCAT this winter which scares me to no end.
 
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Actually that's a great idea!! My dad wanted to get me a credit card and have me pay it off immediately to build my credit. I ended up cutting the credit card because I was scared of not fully paying off my bills!

I'll definitely do this and tell my dad about it. Thanks for the help 🙂


Thanks! I'll work on interviews as you suggested but I don't have to apply until 2019. My main concerns right now are GPA + MCAT. My GPA started off a bit low freshman year so I'm slowly bringing it up. I also have to get through the MCAT this winter which scares me to no end.

They see trends. Your GPA is totalled and broken by year. So they'll see progression!

Mcat: don't rush it and take a lot of practice exams. I took it multiple times (don't do this, take it once and get over it). My most recent attempt I did well. I believe it was because I took 15 practice exams from different companies. I highly recommend next step because their exams are the hardest. Would also take all aamc content (there's a biochemistry, psych, soc question set that is extremext difficult that's highly recommended) and ek exam 3 and 4. Good luck!
 
Like many of you, credit cards. My parents made about a bit too much for FAP. I’m struggling to pay off the CC with my job, and will probably still have a huge balance once I start school. I might get a private loan just to keep the interest low, or see if I can pay it off slowly over the four years. I’m not sure what the options are for students who have this kind of debt in medical school, and it worries me a little.
 
Like many of you, credit cards. My parents made about a bit too much for FAP. I’m struggling to pay off the CC with my job, and will probably still have a huge balance once I start school. I might get a private loan just to keep the interest low, or see if I can pay it off slowly over the four years. I’m not sure what the options are for students who have this kind of debt in medical school, and it worries me a little.

You got an acceptance?! Congrats girl!!
 
Like many of you, credit cards. My parents made about a bit too much for FAP. I’m struggling to pay off the CC with my job, and will probably still have a huge balance once I start school. I might get a private loan just to keep the interest low, or see if I can pay it off slowly over the four years. I’m not sure what the options are for students who have this kind of debt in medical school, and it worries me a little.
You just disappeared from SDN! I was worried! You're starting med school? I'm so excited I was rooting so much for you!! 🙂
 
Currently staring down application costs... tried applying for FAP but the problem is it is very difficult for me to access concrete information about my father's financial status. He's on medicaid and government disability (unemployed and age mid-60s) and it is hard to get in touch with him (substance abuse issues...). Getting him to go into the welfare office to get information proving his income would be almost impossible, as he gets paranoid that the IRS is out to get him or some crap like that, if I could even get him on the phone half the time. And unfortunately, the fee-assistance program requires financial information from both parents as long as they're both still alive. I need to contact the AAMC to see if they have any advice, otherwise I may just get another 0% initial APR credit card so that I can apply to as many schools as possible.
 
Currently staring down application costs... tried applying for FAP but the problem is it is very difficult for me to access concrete information about my father's financial status. He's on medicaid and government disability (unemployed and age mid-60s) and it is hard to get in touch with him (substance abuse issues...). Getting him to go into the welfare office to get information proving his income would be almost impossible, as he gets paranoid that the IRS is out to get him or some crap like that, if I could even get him on the phone half the time. And unfortunately, the fee-assistance program requires financial information from both parents as long as they're both still alive. I need to contact the AAMC to see if they have any advice, otherwise I may just get another 0% initial APR credit card so that I can apply to as many schools as possible.

They must have a policy for situations where one of the birth parents is out of the picture but still alive. What if your dad peaced when you were born, and your mother is a single mom who makes minimum wage? You’re just screwed because you can’t find your dad? I doubt that. Definitely call them.
 
Do med schools use adjusted gross income or taxable income to qualify for FAP?
Edit: Nevrmind. I just found my answer which is adjusted gross income.
 
Currently staring down application costs... tried applying for FAP but the problem is it is very difficult for me to access concrete information about my father's financial status. He's on medicaid and government disability (unemployed and age mid-60s) and it is hard to get in touch with him (substance abuse issues...). Getting him to go into the welfare office to get information proving his income would be almost impossible, as he gets paranoid that the IRS is out to get him or some crap like that, if I could even get him on the phone half the time. And unfortunately, the fee-assistance program requires financial information from both parents as long as they're both still alive. I need to contact the AAMC to see if they have any advice, otherwise I may just get another 0% initial APR credit card so that I can apply to as many schools as possible.
I had the same situation and contacted AAMC. I had to get documentation signed that stated that I have no relationship with my father. So when I went to apply for FAP, I included that documentation. This allowed me to only input my mother's income information. There is a form online for this I believe.
 
Currently staring down application costs... tried applying for FAP but the problem is it is very difficult for me to access concrete information about my father's financial status. He's on medicaid and government disability (unemployed and age mid-60s) and it is hard to get in touch with him (substance abuse issues...). Getting him to go into the welfare office to get information proving his income would be almost impossible, as he gets paranoid that the IRS is out to get him or some crap like that, if I could even get him on the phone half the time. And unfortunately, the fee-assistance program requires financial information from both parents as long as they're both still alive. I need to contact the AAMC to see if they have any advice, otherwise I may just get another 0% initial APR credit card so that I can apply to as many schools as possible.
WAIT FAP requires both parents financial information??

RIP.
 
I transferred my balances to a 0% interest credit card. I also ended up getting a personal loan once I transferred a horrendously large balance to the 0% interest card but then still got married and went on my honeymoon this year, racking up costs on a different card. I know, horrendously bad timing with the marriage/honeymoon/app cycle... but I had no idea the app cycle was going to be this expensive.

Never, never carry a balance on a rewards card. Those suckers are >20% interest. You can get a decent personal loan for around 7-12% if your credit is good enough... currently paying 9% at Lending Club.
 
WAIT FAP requires both parents financial information??

RIP.

It does. But within reason.

For example, if a parent walked out on you as an infant and moved to another country and you haven’t been in contact basically ever...you have to file paperwork attesting to this.
 
It does. But within reason.

For example, if a parent walked out on you as an infant and moved to another country and you haven’t been in contact basically ever...you have to file paperwork attesting to this.
No my problem is superficial. Divorced parents, my primary care taker is the poorer one. The other parent is doing well off so whenever I put their financial information on anything I'm not eligible for any aid. I'll have to pay out of pocket which is fine.
 
I had the same situation and contacted AAMC. I had to get documentation signed that stated that I have no relationship with my father. So when I went to apply for FAP, I included that documentation. This allowed me to only input my mother's income information. There is a form online for this I believe.

Thanks for this info. I just emailed the FAP explaining my situation. The problem is I still do occasionally speak on the phone with my father, so he's not completely estranged. I want to be completely up-front about the situation with the AAMC. Anyways I'll try to update on how it progresses.
 
Currently staring down application costs... tried applying for FAP but the problem is it is very difficult for me to access concrete information about my father's financial status. He's on medicaid and government disability (unemployed and age mid-60s) and it is hard to get in touch with him (substance abuse issues...). Getting him to go into the welfare office to get information proving his income would be almost impossible, as he gets paranoid that the IRS is out to get him or some crap like that, if I could even get him on the phone half the time. And unfortunately, the fee-assistance program requires financial information from both parents as long as they're both still alive. I need to contact the AAMC to see if they have any advice, otherwise I may just get another 0% initial APR credit card so that I can apply to as many schools as possible.

I have a similar situation with my father, and I was able to just have him screenshot the deposits into his bank account over the past year for financial aid consideration at a couple of my schools. Would a similar option be available to you? Best of luck! I know it's not easy to deal with.
 
For everyone here saying work, what kind of jobs do you work and what kind of money are you guys swinging?
Work for 4 tutoring companies, tutor at my CC, and driving for Uber/Lyft. I make between $15-30 an hour per session, $12 at my CC, and between $1500-3000 from Uber/Lyft( depending on how much I drive). Oh, yeah: just applied for a position of overnight stocker, so on top of going to school, and volunteering, that gives me 2-4 hours of sleep/rest everyday.
 
I had the same situation and contacted AAMC. I had to get documentation signed that stated that I have no relationship with my father. So when I went to apply for FAP, I included that documentation. This allowed me to only input my mother's income information. There is a form online for this I believe.
Excuse me for butting in: my parents both live outside of the country( I am naturalized) will it be like for FAFSA and not have to list them?
Thanks!
 
I have rang up my credit card bills so high (~$10k) that it’s really sad and I’m just trying not to think about it. Luckily, I can live at home while going to school (although it’s gonna be a long commute) so I’m just gonna pay those bills instead of moving closer to school..
 
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