How are my chances?

[ILoveJeremyGuthrie11]

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Year in school: White male, graduate Fall 2018 from public state school. BS in Cell and Molecular Biology, minor in Chemistry.

State of residence: Missouri with ties to California.

Schools to which I am applying: MD - University of Missouri, and any other suggestions. DO - KCUMB, AT Still, RVU, Western (California), Oklahoma St, Des Moines, Midwestern (Chicago), Campbell, Ohio University, and any other suggestions.

GPA: Cumulative - 3.69, Science - 3.64

MCAT: 504 (125/125/127/127)

Research: 150 hours over 2.5 years in a neuroscience lab. No posters or publications yet.

Volunteering (clinical): 20 hours in a homeless clinic.

Physician Shadowing: 130 hours with Ophthalmology, Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, and General Surgery.

Non-clinical Volunteering: 200 hours with two organizations. 3 years with one organization and 2 years with the other.

Extracurricular activities: Officer for two years in my university's pre-medical society, including one year as president.

Employment history: >2500 hours over 3 years as a tech in a trauma intensive care unit at a level I trauma center.

Immediate family members in medicine? No

Specialty of interest: Internal Medicine with a possible sub-specialization in critical care/pulmonology.

Graduate degrees: None

Interest in rural health? Not really, but not ruling out anything.

Any help with my school list would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Deecee2DO]

Haha in my opinion you will get in somewhere. You should get plenty of IIs from DO and probably an acceptance at one of the schools you listed. MD could be tough with a 504, but it is worth throwing some apps out I think, just not sure which ones. Are you URM?

 

[0dee]

Your stats are good, but your list is too top heavy. Add some safety DO schools. Also, with that 504 you will be placed on the pre interview hold at both Midwestern schools so might as well save your money.

 

[Deecee2DO]

I would say throw in some safety DO schools like @Tr1LL mentioned. In my opinion, you might want to consider adding VCOM, ACOM, LMU-DCOM, WCU-COM, LECOM. Should OP add some MD programs with a 504 MCAT @Faha and if so which ones?

 

[el_duderino]

You should apply broadly to MD schools as well. I think you have a good shot there.

 

[ILoveJeremyGuthrie11]

Your stats are good, but your list is too top heavy. Add some safety DO schools. Also, with that 504 you will be placed on the pre interview hold at both Midwestern schools so might as well save your money.

I appreciate the response! I actually just updated my school list after posting my OP. My current school list is: MD - Rosalind Franklin, MCW, SLU, Mizzou, UMKC, and maybe Penn State; DO - ATSU-KCOM, ARCOM, Campbell, Des Moines, VCOM, KCU, NYIT, Oklahoma St, RVU, and Western - Pomona. How does that list look? Any others you think I should add?

 

[ILoveJeremyGuthrie11]

I would say throw in some safety DO schools like @Tr1LL mentioned. In my opinion, you might want to consider adding VCOM, ACOM, LMU-DCOM, WCU-COM, LECOM. Should OP add some MD programs with a 504 MCAT @Faha and if so which ones?

I just added VCOM and I'm not sure which ACOM you mean between Alabama, Arkansas, and Arizona... I added ARCOM if that's what you meant. Also, I haven't heard the greatest things about LECOM, so I'm not really sure what to think about them. I will look into LMU-DCOM and WCU-COM, though.

For MD I have Rosalind Franklin, MCW, SLU, Mizzou, UMKC, and I was considering throwing my hat in at Penn State.

 

[el_duderino]

Apply to more MD schools. Drexel, Albany, EVMS, Tulane, GWU, Hofstra, etc.

 

[ILoveJeremyGuthrie11]

You should apply broadly to MD schools as well. I think you have a good shot there.

For MD I have Rosalind Franklin, MCW, SLU, Mizzou, UMKC, and maybe Penn State. How does that list look? I understand a few of those are long shots, but they seem to have some of the lower MCAT scores for MD and/or they are my state school or are favorable to OOS students.

 

[Osminog]

Your stats are good, but your list is too top heavy. Add some safety DO schools. Also, with that 504 you will be placed on the pre interview hold at both Midwestern schools so might as well save your money.

According to CCOM's website, the c/o 2021 had an average composite MCAT of 506. What makes you so sure that they'd put a 504 on pre-interview hold?

 

[Magus5454]

Haha in my opinion you will get in somewhere. You should get plenty of IIs from DO and probably an acceptance at one of the schools you listed. MD could be tough with a 504, but it is worth throwing some apps out I think, just not sure which ones. Are you URM?

First sentence states he's white

 

[DrStephenStrange]

I appreciate the response! I actually just updated my school list after posting my OP. My current school list is: MD - Rosalind Franklin, MCW, SLU, Mizzou, UMKC, and maybe Penn State; DO - ATSU-KCOM, ARCOM, Campbell, Des Moines, VCOM, KCU, NYIT, Oklahoma St, RVU, and Western - Pomona. How does that list look? Any others you think I should add?

I wouldn't count on getting in UMKC medical school. I went there for undergrad (Bio BS and Chem BA), and their med school is filled mostly by their 6 year BA/MD students which I had classes with during undergrad by the way. Their remaining seats, usually around 10 to 12, are then filled by the regular MD applicants which makes it a long shot with your current stats.

Edit: also Oklahoma (OSU) strongly favors in state applicants, and their classes are filled with close to 90% or more Oklahomans.

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[Deecee2DO]

I just added VCOM and I'm not sure which ACOM you mean between Alabama, Arkansas, and Arizona... I added ARCOM if that's what you meant. Also, I haven't heard the greatest things about LECOM, so I'm not really sure what to think about them. I will look into LMU-DCOM and WCU-COM, though.

For MD I have Rosalind Franklin, MCW, SLU, Mizzou, UMKC, and I was considering throwing my hat in at Penn State.

Although both new AlabamaCOM is slightly more eatablished than ARCOM although that isnt saying much since they are both extremely new but ACOM has a higher attrition rate for first years. ARCOM is likely a good safety DO school to add so thats good. WCU and LMU would be good safety DO schools i think

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Although both new AlabamaCOM is slightly more eatablished than ARCOM although that isnt saying much since they are both extremely new but ACOM has a higher attrition rate for first years. ARCOM is likely a good safety DO school to add so thats good. WCU and LMU would be good safety DO schools i think

WCU also have pretty high attrition rate (about 10%), and a 92% placement rate this year. It's one of the DO schools I wouldn't apply to until they start showing improvement. Although, they've been getting pretty tight on their 1st and 2nd year lately.

Edit: I meant 10% attrition rate for each of the first 2 years (so about 20% total). Also their COMLEX first time passing rate is also low.

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[Deecee2DO]

WCU also have pretty high attrition rate (about 10%), and a 92% placement rate this year. It's one of the DO schools I wouldn't apply to until they start showing improvement. Although, they've been getting pretty tight on their 1st and 2nd year lately.

Edit: I meant 10% attrition rate for each of the first 2 years (so abouy 20% total). Also their COMLEX first time passing rate is also low.

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Didn't know that thank you. Thats actually really high. Where did you find this information?

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Didn't know that thank you. Thats actually really high. Where did you find this information?

Go at the end of this thread: COMs Establishing New Residency Programs

And pretty much this whole thread: What is your school's start to finish success rate?

And also the 2017-2018 WCUCOM application thread.

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[AnatomyGrey12]

also Oklahoma (OSU) strongly favors in state applicants, and their classes are filled with close to 90% or more Oklahomans

True but the majority of our OOS people come from neighboring states. I know one classmate that is from MO so it could still be a good app for OP.

 

[Goro]

Year in school: White male, graduate Fall 2018 from public state school. BS in Cell and Molecular Biology, minor in Chemistry.

State of residence: Missouri with ties to California.

Schools to which I am applying: MD - University of Missouri, and any other suggestions. DO - KCUMB, AT Still, RVU, Western (California), Oklahoma St, Des Moines, Midwestern (Chicago), Campbell, Ohio University, and any other suggestions.

GPA: Cumulative - 3.69, Science - 3.64

MCAT: 504 (125/125/127/127)

Research: 150 hours over 2.5 years in a neuroscience lab. No posters or publications yet.

Volunteering (clinical): 20 hours in a homeless clinic.

Physician Shadowing: 130 hours with Ophthalmology, Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, and General Surgery.

Non-clinical Volunteering: 200 hours with two organizations. 3 years with one organization and 2 years with the other.

Extracurricular activities: Officer for two years in my university's pre-medical society, including one year as president.

Employment history: >2500 hours over 3 years as a tech in a trauma intensive care unit at a level I trauma center.

Immediate family members in medicine? No

Specialty of interest: Internal Medicine with a possible sub-specialization in critical care/pulmonology.

Graduate degrees: None

Interest in rural health? Not really, but not ruling out anything.

Any help with my school list would be greatly appreciated!

I suggest:

MCW (maybe)

Rush (maybe)

Rosy Franklin

Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)

Oakland U Beaumont

Loyola

Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)

SLU

WVU

U VM

MCW

Creighton

VCU

U MO (chasnces for MD will be best here. Forget about ties to CA.

Any DO school. I can't recommend Touro-NY, Nova, Wm Carey, LUCOM, for different reasons. MSUCOM? Read up on Larry Nasser and you decide.

 

[Deecee2DO]

I suggest:

MCW (maybe)

Rush (maybe)

Rosy Franklin

Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)

Oakland U Beaumont

Loyola

Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)

SLU

WVU

U VM

MCW

Creighton

VCU

U MO (chasnces for MD will be best here. Forget about ties to CA.

Any DO school. I can't recommend Touro-NY, Nova, Wm Carey, LUCOM, for different reasons. MSUCOM? Read up on Larry Nasser and you decide.

@Goro just for my own general knowledge, can you briefly elaborate on your hesitation to recommend Nova and Wm Carey? Also, thoughts on Nova's new MD program? Or too new to comment

 

[Goro]

@Goro just for my own general knowledge, can you briefly elaborate on your hesitation to recommend Nova and Wm Carey?

I'm going to have to sticky these:
Nova-four consecutive years of declining first-time COMLEX pass rates. They're now at ~85% and this is something you expect from a new school, not a veteran. Something is very wrong there.

Wm Carey: VERY high attrition rates and only a 92% placement rate this year for their grads. That means 8% of their grads are now unemployed, NOT doing residency. No SOAP, no scramble, no TRI. This is simply NOT acceptable. I expect they'll be put on probation very soon.

 

[Deecee2DO]

I'm going to have to sticky these:
Nova-four consecutive years of declining first-time COMLEX pass rates. They're now at ~85% and this is something you expect from a new school, not a veteran. Something is very wrong there.

Wm Carey: VERY high attrition rates and only a 92% placement rate this year for their grads. That means 8% of their grads are now unemployed, NOT doing residency. No SOAP, no scramble, no TRI. This is simply NOT acceptable. I expect they'll be put on probation very soon.

Thank you @Goro