How badly will binge drinking hurt my intelligence?

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dude, that's not how conversation works. your statement implies that you use marijuana. you could not know what you'd rather do unless you have experiences with both.
 
msb1190 said:
so you're going to sit here and put down alcohol as if you're "above the influence", only to admit you're a pot head? huh?
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yeah i don't get it either.

StormingWynn said:
I'd rather do Marijuana than liquor. Plus, it's safer. XP
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yeah..............ooooooooooookay. 🙄 i don't want to turn this into a weed safety thread, but the only way i will recognize marijuana as being "safer" is that you usually fall asleep/are too tired to do anything stupid while high vs drunk.
 
StormingWynn said:
Hey *****! alcohol is a DRUG!

and the quote proves nothing. All it said it that participants didn't have a drink 12 hours prior. I never stated that the test was preformed 12 hours after the last drink was taken. FAIL!
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Might wanna have yours checked.

And again, you missed the point. They abstained for 12 hours. If they had been drinking prior to the 12 hours, a hangover would certainly confound the test results. The study design should have included abstaining for longer to avoid this possibility.
 
msb1190 said:
dude, that's not how conversation works. your statement implies that you use marijuana. you could not know what you'd rather do unless you have experiences with both.
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I'm starting to detect an edge of hysteria in his/her posts.
 
StormingWynn said:
I would stop if I were you. Here is why:



TITLE:Binge Drinking Affects Attentional and Visual Working Memory Processing in Young University Students.
PUB:Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research
DETAIL:Alberto Crego, Socorro Rodriguez Holguin, Maria Parada, Nayara Mota, Montserrat Corral and Fernando Cadaveira. 33.11 (Nov 2009): p1870(10).

Actually, I change my mind. Keep binge drinking. Maybe you'll open up a seat for me. :O
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I'm not really taking that study too seriously. It's a pretty small sample size (n was around 90) and it was looking at several indicators so one or two could have been significantly positive just by random chance. And again we have this:

"The participants were asked to abstain from consuming drugs and
alcohol for 12 hours before the experiment."

That is REALLY bad. I mean even if they did it during the week with the assumption people wouldn't be using drugs/alcohol, it could still be responsible for all of their significance (their subjects may have been hung over or still high). I think they should have asked them to abstain for at least a week before the study.

Not to say that you should be binge drinking. You should try to take it easy because it's a very bad habit to get into.
 
msb1190 said:
dude, that's not how conversation works. your statement implies that you use marijuana. you could not know what you'd rather do unless you have experiences with both.
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Huh? It's called research. And how does my post imply so? If I said, "I'd rather die than drink," does that imply that I've died? No.
 
curbye said:
yeah i don't get it either.



yeah..............ooooooooooookay. 🙄 i don't want to turn this into a weed safety thread, but the only way i will recognize marijuana as being "safer" is that you usually fall asleep/are too tired to do anything stupid while high vs drunk.
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Please refer me to a case where someone had died from smoking to much pot..
 
msb1190 said:
hahaha. so all of your everyday life decisions are based on research and not what you've found by trial... get out of here.
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No. You're missing the point of my post. 😉 I test a lot of things by trial, but I do research potentially lethal things before I do them. Who hasn't look up of POT is really bad for you?
 
StormingWynn said:
No. You're missing the point of my post. 😉 I test a lot of things by trial, but I do research potentially lethal things before I do them. Who hasn't look up of POT is really bad for you?
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no i'm not missing the point of your post. you're just not posting what you are trying to say and you expect everyone to read your mind.
 
illegallysmooth said:
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Might wanna have yours checked.

And again, you missed the point. They abstained for 12 hours. If they had been drinking prior to the 12 hours, a hangover would certainly confound the test results. The study design should have included abstaining for longer to avoid this possibility.
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Does that mean they did? Do you seriously think that a researcher who was trying to find conclusive evidence to support his claim would allow a drunker, hungover participant to take the test?
 
msb1190 said:
no i'm not missing the point of your post. you're just not posting what you are trying to say and you expect everyone to read your mind.
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I'm pretty sure most people understood my post. It's a commonly used phrase dude. "I'd rather... instead of .. " It doesn't mean they've done it before.
 
yeah dude, you're right. you've probably never been wrong in your life.
 
msb1190 said:
yeah dude, you're right. you've probably never been wrong in your life.
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Why so sarcastic now? LOL My bad if you misinterpreted my post. But to clarify I'm in that large portion of people who has smoked marijuana before. I don't anymore though. :laugh:
 
StormingWynn said:
Please refer me to a case where someone had died from smoking to much pot..
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please, seeing that you have never experienced smoking pot...you have no way of arguing that one is safer than another for you. i do not care how many papers you cite. there is a difference between academic debating and anecdotal debating and on this thread, for the most part, the latter is occurring.

why even bring up marijuana if you have not ever smoked it? obviously either to get a rise out of people (troll....which i don't think you are), or to imply you've done it (omg you're so cool!...again, didn't take you for one of those).

both are bad for you if you do it every day all the time. period. the end.


OP, you wanna binge drink? do it, occasionally, but know that you'll possibly suffer consequences such as harming your liver, a bad hangover (hydrate, hydrate, hydrate), or waking up in a hospital bed. it's rare, but it happens. drinking socially is fun and you usually still get relatively drunk. you also get to remember everything, which is better.

you want to get high? don't do it every day because it makes you really really really lazy. also, we don't really know all the harmful effects it has on your body and your reproductive organs.

moderation is key.





edit: apparently you claim now you HAVE smoked? get up off that high horse. really.
 
StormingWynn said:
Does that mean they did? Do you seriously think that a researcher who was trying to find conclusive evidence to support his claim would allow a drunker, hungover participant to take the test?
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I realize that you're not familiar with being hungover, so allow me to explain. Drunk does not equal hungover. Being hungover is not necesarily something you can distinguish with your eyes. The fact of the matter is that they had all these "binge drinkers" who were only "asked" to abstain for 12 hours. That is a poor study design and could have affected the validity of the study. The consequence of this confounding would be an overestimate of the effect size.
 
illegallysmooth said:
I realize that you're not familiar with being hungover, so allow me to explain. Drunk does not equal hungover. Being hungover is not necesarily something you can distinguish with your eyes. The fact of the matter is that they had all these "binge drinkers" who were only "asked" to abstain for 12 hours. That is a poor study design and could have affected the validity of the study. The consequence of this confounding would be an overestimate of the effect size.
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I'll agree with this. But come on.. Do you think all the participants got wasted the night before?
 
curbye said:
please, seeing that you have never experienced smoking pot...you have no way of arguing that one is safer than another for you. i do not care how many papers you cite. there is a difference between academic debating and anecdotal debating and on this thread, for the most part, the latter is occurring.

why even bring up marijuana if you have not ever smoked it? obviously either to get a rise out of people (troll....which i don't think you are), or to imply you've done it (omg you're so cool!...again, didn't take you for one of those).

both are bad for you if you do it every day all the time. period. the end.


OP, you wanna binge drink? do it, occasionally, but know that you'll possibly suffer consequences such as harming your liver, a bad hangover (hydrate, hydrate, hydrate), or waking up in a hospital bed. it's rare, but it happens. drinking socially is fun and you usually still get relatively drunk. you also get to remember everything, which is better.

you want to get high? don't do it every day because it makes you really really really lazy. also, we don't really know all the harmful effects it has on your body and your reproductive organs.

moderation is key.





edit: apparently you claim now you HAVE smoked? get up off that high horse. really.
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LOL, I was reading you post LMAO and then I got the end. I just cried a little. XP I never said I never done drugs. All I said was that I don't do drugs (NOW).
 
StormingWynn said:
Does the article say he died directly from the marijuana substance? For all I know, he could have choked on the brownie.
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Well, he crawled around with a sheepskin rug on his back and walked to his wife's ex's house and threw a brick through a window. That's hard to do if you're unconcious.
 
"After using the drug marijuana he would 'frolick dressed as a sheep' or perform a striptease"

Haha that's a pretty funny article. Dude probably died of a heart attack while he was getting frisky with his wife, it happens all the time.
 
StormingWynn said:
LOL, I was reading you post LMAO and then I got the end. I just cried a little. XP I never said I never done drugs. All I said was that I don't do drugs (NOW).
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tell me about your way back to the light, the good, the abstaining world. please.



and you mentioned earlier that alcohol isn't cool, or something of that nature. you're completely right. alcohol ISN'T cool. but usually, it makes people like you much, much more tolerable.
 
illegallysmooth said:
Well, he crawled around with a sheepskin rug on his back and walked to his wife's ex's house and threw a brick through a window. That's hard to do if you're unconcious.
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Oh. lol Still that guy could have suffered a heart attack for all I know. Until experts say MARIJUANA killed him I wouldn't blame it on the MJ.
 
the next thing you're going to say is that guns dont kill people, people kill people.
 
curbye said:
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tell me about your way back to the light, the good, the abstaining world. please.



and you mentioned earlier that alcohol isn't cool, or something of that nature. you're completely right. alcohol ISN'T cool. but usually, it makes people like you much, much more tolerable.
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So you hate me now because of the facts I presented? ok... LOL

Again as I have mentioned before, the OP wanted to know if Binge drinking would affect him. The answer is yes. Did I say he should stop drinking? No. as you said, moderation is key. and I agree.
 
StormingWynn said:
I'll agree with this. But come on.. Do you think all the participants got wasted the night before?
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Only a handful of them would have had to be hung over to confound the study. And a hangover can last days (or the milder effects can last for days).
 
Well if you're worried about drinking too much, just switch to smoking pot once in awhile. It'll cure all your ills.
 
Another thing they didn't look at was other drug use. They say they excluded people who used other drugs, but did they actually do the tests to confirm those people weren't doing other drugs? People who use alcohol are far more likely to be smoking pot and doing harder drugs.
 
softmed said:
Only a handful of them would have had to be hung over to confound the study. And a hangover can last days (or the milder effects can last for days).
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You are far more patient than I for taking the time to explain this.
 
illegallysmooth said:
You are far more patient than I for taking the time to explain this.
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What I was trying to get at is that no matter what. Binge drinking will alter your performance. Whether it be tomorrow or longterm. As softmed mentioned, this study is not full proof. But come on, do you think someone how is turning into a habitual binge drinker will preform as good as the occasional drinker? The study showed that they didn't. Why? Because the participant whether he be hungover during the test he would preform less than a sober person. If he's hungover in school then of course he will preform less. Get what I'm trying to say?
 
StormingWynn said:
What I was trying to get at is that no matter what. Binge drinking will alter your performance. Whether it be tomorrow or longterm. As softmed mentioned, this study is not full proof. But come on, do you think someone how is turning into a habitual binge drinker will preform as good as the occasional drinker? The study showed that they didn't. Why? Because the participant whether he be hungover during the test he would preform less than a sober person. If he's hungover in school then of course he will preform less. Get what I'm trying to say?
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You need to take a statistics class before making these kinds of statements.

The study was not aiming to assess performance while one is hungover. It was attempting to study the effect on performance of binge-drinking related changes in neurological function. However, the study design appears to be seriously flawed by not eliminating the variables of a hungover state or the effects of other drugs. These variables would be big confounding factors, jeopardizing the validity of the study.

You have yet to prove your bolded statement. There's nothing in that article to suggest that a couple weeks of binge drinking a couple times per week will affect cognitive performance in the long term. Obviously it's not a fantastic idea, but for other reasons.
 
"Drugs and alcohol"? Such a funny little phrase.
 
illegallysmooth said:
You need to take a statistics class before making these kinds of statements.

The study was not aiming to assess performance while one is hungover. It was attempting to study the effect on performance of binge-drinking related changes in neurological function. However, the study design appears to be seriously flawed by not eliminating the variables of a hungover state or the effects of other drugs. These variables would be big confounding factors, jeopardizing the validity of the study.

You have yet to prove your bolded statement. There's nothing in that article to suggest that a couple weeks of binge drinking a couple times per week will affect cognitive performance in the long term. Obviously it's not a fantastic idea, but for other reasons.
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That other article link I posted also stated that Binge Drinking has an effect on cognitive performance. I'll drop it now. No point in arguing.
 
This thread is a funny read...

To the OP, if you are still reading this flamewar.... you will be fine, as with everything in life, moderation is key.
 
StormingWynn said:
That other article link I posted also stated that Binge Drinking has an effect on cognitive performance. I'll drop it now. No point in arguing.
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I hope you read the entire article and analyzed it rather than going with whatever's written in the abstract. softmed is absolutely right regarding the flaws of the first study you quoted.
 
Kaushik said:
I hope you read the entire article and analyzed it rather than going with whatever's written in the abstract. softmed is absolutely right regarding the flaws of the first study you quoted.
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It seems people can't abstain more than 12 hours before having to have another drink, eh? I read it once and it seemed that this article addressed the flaw in the other article, but after having read it again it said that people had a drink 24 hours prior to the test. :laugh: NVM then.
 
The second article posted states:

"The enrollment criterion for HD (heavy drinkers) was the consumption of more than an average of 100 alcoholic drinks per month for men over 3 years before the study."

This is blatant alcoholism over 3 years, which would be producing many changes in the body (liver problems, nutritional deficiencies, hormonal issues, etc). The original discussion was on whether or not occasional drinking directly kills brain cells or affects intelligence, and as far as I've read or learned in toxicology lecture, the jury is still out - there is actually no conclusive evidence. There may be studies that say otherwise, but I haven't read them or heard of them. As someone posted earlier, if you had enough to kill brain cells, you're probably already dead.

Regardless, this particular study has no relevance to the situation described in the OP.

Now I really do need that glass of wine.
 
illegallysmooth said:
The second article posted states:

"The enrollment criterion for HD (heavy drinkers) was the consumption of more than an average of 100 alcoholic drinks per month for men over 3 years before the study."

This is blatant alcoholism over 3 years, which would be producing many changes in the body (liver problems, nutritional deficiencies, hormonal issues, etc). The original discussion was on whether or not occasional drinking directly kills brain cells or affects intelligence, and as far as I've read or learned in toxicology lecture, the jury is still out - there is actually no conclusive evidence. There may be studies that say otherwise, but I haven't read them or heard of them. As someone posted earlier, if you had enough to kill brain cells, you're probably already dead.

Regardless, this particular study has no relevance to the situation described in the OP.

Now I really do need that glass of wine.
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You're right occasional binge drinking like normal drinking drinking doesn't affect the brain enough to cause long term effects; however, the OP stated in his post it was turning into a habit of every weekend. Wouldn't you agree that-that could cause a problem?
 
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