How badly will binge drinking hurt my intelligence?

[MilkmanAl]

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Wow, people take things to seriously. It was meant as a joke. My main reason was drunk driving and violent crimes committed as an effect of heavy drinking.

The fact that you're trying to rationalize such a ludicrous statement doesn't bode well for your future social interactions. Knowing when you've said or done something dumb and immediately backing off of it is a good skill to have. Cut your losses.

 

[StormingWynn]

Because, you know, every person who drinks will at some point choose to drive while heavily intoxicated.

I think it's funny that you look down upon people who drink but then, you turn around and say that you hope someone drinks himself to death so that you have less competition for med school.

No, but it's a possibility. If it wasn't true then there would be no drunk driving.

I don't look down on people who drink. I look down on people who drink like there is no tomorrow and commit stupid acts that affect other people.

 

[adamld83]

wow...just wow. Most of you on here are pretty lame. HAHAHA...internet anonymity !! Seriously..if the OP is still listening..listen to an album with curse words..drink a few beers...then get into a fistfight and preferably lose. You future patients will thank you for it.

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

Well if this is true I stand corrected. I still don't understand how someone who can't memorized something and has no prior memories be an intelligent person. But if that's true than that's great.

Well, the first question is how do you define intelligence? I wouldn't call your capacity to memorize and regurgitate facts as intelligence.

I really recommend that you refrain from making blanket statements when you don't understand the subject matter. For realsies. Go through a few lit reviews or something before jumping to conclusions.

 

[StormingWynn]

Well, the first question is how do you define intelligence? I wouldn't call your capacity to memorize and regurgitate facts as intelligence.

I really recommend that you refrain from making blanket statements when you don't understand the subject matter. For realsies. Go through a few lit reviews or something before jumping to conclusions.

I define intelligence as the ability to comprehend, problem solve and apply concepts. I believe memory is involved in all three of those and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

I define intelligence as the ability to comprehend, problem solve and apply concepts. I believe memory is involved in all three of those and I'll leave it at that.

Like I said before, look through some articles on PubMed or something before coming to any conclusions.

 

[ILikeDrugs]

Without our memory, we would be as intelligent as a vegetable. I believe it's what makes us. If you can't remember your past social interactions, how can you be socially intelligent? If you can't remember equations and numbers being juggled in your head, how can you be logically/mathematically intelligent? If you don't remember which foot you just put forward and can't walk, how can you be kinesthetically intelligent? If you don't remember the meaning of words, how can you have linguistic intelligence? If you don't remember your past experiences, how can you have intra-personal intelligence.

 

[illegallysmooth]

Well if this is true I stand corrected. I still don't understand how someone who can't memorized something and has no prior memories be an intelligent person. But if that's true than that's great.

That's because you don't understand the difference between knowledge and intelligence. Intelligence is a capacity, an ability to use knowledge and understand it, draw conclusions, organize and relate pieces of information.

Just stop.

 

[illegallysmooth]

Without our memory, we would be as intelligent as a vegetable. I believe it's what makes us. If you can't remember your past social interactions, how can you be socially intelligent? If you can't remember equations and numbers being juggled in your head, how can you be logically/mathematically intelligent? If you don't remember which foot you just put forward and can't walk, how can you be kinesthetically intelligent? If you don't remember the meaning of words, how can you have linguistic intelligence? If you don't remember your past experiences, how can you have intra-personal intelligence.

Intelligence pertains to learning and solving, not knowing. An unintelligent person is not unintelligent because he doesn't know things, he is unintelligent because he's incapable of learning and understanding difficult concepts.

http://giftedkids.about.com/od/glossary/g/intelligence.htm

Neurological research supports this general idea.

 

[StormingWynn]

Intelligence pertains to learning and solving, not knowing. An unintelligent person is not unintelligent because he doesn't know things, he is unintelligent because he's incapable of learning and undrstanding difficult concepts. Intelligence is a capacity.

What he and I were saying is that how can you "solve" without knowing? And you're right. I'll stop. I guess I have to change my entire 20 page research project I've been working on intelligence. 🙁

 

[illegallysmooth]

What he and I were saying is that how can you "solve" without knowing? And you're right. I'll stop. I guess I have to change my entire 20 page research project I've been working on intelligence. 🙁

You realize intelligence is tested in small children who don't know a whole lot, right?

You are seriously doing a 20pg research paper on the basis that intelligence = knowledge? You could have saved yourself a lot of time by taking a basic neuroscience course or reading about it.

 

[StormingWynn]

You realize intelligence is tested in small children who don't know a whole lot, right?

You are seriously doing a 20pg research paper on the basis that intelligence = knowledge? You could have saved yourself a lot of time by taking a basic neuroscience course or reading about it.

No, I'm doing a research project on the different types of intelligence and the way race affects intelligence. Basically, "Nature vs Nurture."

Enlighten me on the what test are conducted on small children. I'm curious to see if there is any connection.

 

[illegallysmooth]

No, I'm doing a research project on the different types of intelligence and the way race affects intelligence. Basically, "Nature vs Nurture."

Enlighten me on the what test are conducted on small children. I'm curious to see if there is any connection.

...IQ tests.

 

[StormingWynn]

...IQ tests.

I did a quick little search and found out how IQ's are measured. According to the Stanford-Binet test this is how it's measured:

Modern tests for intelligence are based in this normal distribution although they may have different subtests, which include information/general knowledge, vocabulary, recognising similarities, memory, mazes, simple arithmetic problems and object assembly. The tests are usually timed and each subtest is given a score, which combine to give a total IQ score.

Yeah....

http://www.aboutintelligence.co.uk/how-intelligence-measured.html

 

[illegallysmooth]

I did a quick little search and found out how IQ's are measured. According to the Stanford-Binet test this is how it's measured:



Yeah....

http://www.aboutintelligence.co.uk/how-intelligence-measured.html

Which, in a young child, reflects the ABILITY to learn.

 

[StormingWynn]

Which, in a young child, reflects the ABILITY to learn.

nvm.... 🙄

I just posted how IQ's are measured which is mostly MEMORY and yet you still keep saying it has nothing to do with memory. I'm done. Laters.. You're right..

 

[illegallysmooth]

nvm.... 🙄

I just posted how IQ's are measured which is mostly MEMORY and yet you still keep saying it has nothing to do with memory. I'm done. Laters.. You're right..

OMG. IT'S NOT "MOSTLY" MEMORY.

Relation between IQ and intelligence

See also: Intelligence
According to Dr. C. George Boeree of Shippensburg University, intelligence is a person's capacity to (1) acquire knowledge (i.e. learn and understand), (2) apply knowledge (solve problems), and (3) engage in abstract reasoning. It is the power of one's intellect, and as such is clearly a very important aspect of one's overall well-being. Psychologists have attempted to measure it for well over a century.
Several other ways of measuring intelligence have been proposed. Daniel Schacter, Daniel Gilbert, and others have moved beyond general intelligence and IQ as the sole means to describe intelligence.[123]

Definitions of intelligence:
Alfred Binet Judgment, otherwise called “good sense”, “practical sense”, “initiative”, the faculty of adapting one’s self to circumstances . . . auto-critique.

[5]David WechslerThe aggregate or global capacity of the individual to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his environment.[

6]Cyril Burt Innate general cognitive ability

[7]Howard GardnerTo my mind, a human intellectual competence must entail a set of skills of problem solving — enabling the individual to resolve genuine problems or difficulties that he or she encounters and, when appropriate, to create an effective product — and must also entail the potential for finding or creating problems — and thereby laying the groundwork for the acquisition of new knowledge.

[8]Linda Gottfredson The ability to deal with cognitive complexity.

[9]Sternberg & SalterGoal-directed adaptive behavior.

[10]Reuven FeuersteinThe theory of Structural Cognitive Modifiability describes intelligence as “the unique propensity of human beings to change or modify the structure of their cognitive functioning to adapt to the changing demands of a life situation.” [11]


Intelligence is an ability. KNOWLEDGE and MEMORY are tools, but in order to use them you must have the ABILITY. You may have a hammer and nails, but if you don't have the ability to use your arm to lift the hammer and pound the nail, you cannot accomplish the task.

 

[StormingWynn]

OMG. IT'S NOT "MOSTLY" MEMORY.

Relation between IQ and intelligence

See also: Intelligence
According to Dr. C. George Boeree of Shippensburg University, intelligence is a person's capacity to (1) acquire knowledge (i.e. learn and understand), (2) apply knowledge (solve problems), and (3) engage in abstract reasoning. It is the power of one's intellect, and as such is clearly a very important aspect of one's overall well-being. Psychologists have attempted to measure it for well over a century.
Several other ways of measuring intelligence have been proposed. Daniel Schacter, Daniel Gilbert, and others have moved beyond general intelligence and IQ as the sole means to describe intelligence.[123]

How can you "learn," "understand," "solve" and "reason" without memory? Things you learn are "memorized." When you solve a problem you use "memories" to find the best solution. You "understand" concepts using your memory. How can understand calculus without learning mathematical rules? When you "reason" you use memory (you're using memories to generate conclusions). Catching on here? Don't bother posting I'm not coming back to the thread. I'm done arguing.

 

[chman]

OMG. IT'S NOT "MOSTLY" MEMORY.

Relation between IQ and intelligence

See also: Intelligence
According to Dr. C. George Boeree of Shippensburg University, intelligence is a person's capacity to (1) acquire knowledge (i.e. learn and understand), (2) apply knowledge (solve problems), and (3) engage in abstract reasoning. It is the power of one's intellect, and as such is clearly a very important aspect of one's overall well-being. Psychologists have attempted to measure it for well over a century.
Several other ways of measuring intelligence have been proposed. Daniel Schacter, Daniel Gilbert, and others have moved beyond general intelligence and IQ as the sole means to describe intelligence.[123]

ResearcherQuotationAlfred BinetJudgment, otherwise called “good sense”, “practical sense”, “initiative”, the faculty of adapting one’s self to circumstances . . . auto-critique.[5]David WechslerThe aggregate or global capacity of the individual to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his environment.[6]Cyril BurtInnate general cognitive ability[7]Howard GardnerTo my mind, a human intellectual competence must entail a set of skills of problem solving — enabling the individual to resolve genuine problems or difficulties that he or she encounters and, when appropriate, to create an effective product — and must also entail the potential for finding or creating problems — and thereby laying the groundwork for the acquisition of new knowledge.[8]Linda GottfredsonThe ability to deal with cognitive complexity.[9]Sternberg & SalterGoal-directed adaptive behavior.[10]Reuven FeuersteinThe theory of Structural Cognitive Modifiability describes intelligence as “the unique propensity of human beings to change or modify the structure of their cognitive functioning to adapt to the changing demands of a life situation.” [11]


Intelligence is an ability. KNOWLEDGE and MEMORY are tools, but in order to use them you must have the ABILITY. You may have a hammer and nails, but if you don't have the ability to use your arm to lift the hammer and pound the nail, you cannot accomplish the task.

Yea, this is correct. IQ tests are not about memory, they are about inborn intelligence and thinking on the spot. That's why you don't study for them.

 

[illegallysmooth]

how can you "learn," "understand," "solve" and "reason" without memory? Things you learn are "memorized." when you solve a problem you use "memories" to find the best solution. You understand concepts using your memory. How can understand calculus without learning mathematical rules? When you "reason" you use memory (you're using memories to generate conclusions). Catching on here? Don't bother posting i'm not coming back to the thread. I'm done arguing.

intelligence is the ability to use things like previous experience to solve problems and understand situations.

 

[StormingWynn]

Yea, this is correct. IQ tests are not about memory, they are about inborn intelligence and thinking on the spot. That's why you don't study for them.

No, you use acquired knowledge. Things you memorized in the past.

I'll leave with this little quote:

It was their ability to retrieve and apply information that had been stored in their long term memories that often allowed them to solve complex problems. For example, it would have been impossible for Einstein to develop his general or special theories of relativity if he had not been able to recall important information that had been stored in his long term memory in order to overcome problems. Not only did Einstein need to be able to recall important information, but he had to do it quickly. This is one of the aspects of intelligence. Memory and intelligence are two sides of the same coin. Virtually every great scientist or mathematician who has ever lived understood the importance of memory.

 

[illegallysmooth]

No, you use acquired knowledge. Things you memorized in the past.

Yes, the test they give 5-year-olds is based on the wealth of knowledge they have memorized.

You are beyond reason.

No one is saying memory isn't important. But it is not intelligence. For instance, you seem unable to comprehend the facts you encounter and process them in a useful way. But I'm sure you remember lots of things.

 

[StormingWynn]

Yes, the test they give 5-year-olds is based on the wealth of knowledge they have memorized.

You are beyond reason.

That's our POINT! How can you be intelligent if you haven't memorized anything?

Without memory or a form to acquire memories you don't have the ability to apply that memory.

 

[illegallysmooth]

that's our point! How can you be intelligent if you haven't memorized anything?

because you have the ability to learn. That's what intelligence is.


This is not a hard concept!!

 

[StormingWynn]

because you have the ability to learn. That's what intelligence is.


This is not a hard concept!!

What good is the ability to learn if your ability to memorize and store information is ****?

 

[chman]

That's our POINT! How can you be intelligent if you haven't memorized anything?

Have you ever taken an IQ test? There is a difference between inherent ability and memory. The questions are very abstract and are probably nothing that you have "memorized" before. Such as, "how would you arrange six match sticks to make four equal triangles?" At any rate, I just learned about this in psychology, so unless my professor and book were wrong...

 

[illegallysmooth]

What good is the ability to learn if your ability to memorize and store information is ****?

This is almost comical. It would be comical, if you weren't a potential future-doctor.

 

[illegallysmooth]

Have you ever taken an IQ test? There is a difference between inherent ability and memory. The questions are very abstract and are probably nothing that you have "memorized" before. Such as, "how could you make a six sided triangle with five match sticks"? At any rate, I just learned about this in psychology, so unless my professor and book were wrong...

You'd think this was quantum physics we're trying to explain.

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[StormingWynn]

Have you ever taken an IQ test? There is a difference between inherent ability and memory. The questions are very abstract and are probably nothing that you have "memorized" before. Such as, "how could you make a six sided triangle with five match sticks"? At any rate, I just learned about this in psychology, so unless my professor and book were wrong...

You've memorized what a "triangle" is, you've memorized what a match is, you've memorized what a "side" is and you've memorized what numbers indicate.

 

[illegallysmooth]

You've memorized what a "triangle" is, you've memorized what a match is, you've memorized what a "side" is and you've memorized what numbers indicate.

And an intelligent person can solve the problem. An unintelligent person cannot, but still knows what a triangle is and what a side is.

 

[chman]

And an intelligent person can solve the problem. An unintelligent person cannot, but still knows what a triangle is and what a side is.

Exactly. The question is not asking whether or not you learned (not memorized) what a match or triangle is. It is asking how you could do something given the information you have. (By the way I edited that sample question because I wrote it wrong).

Also, I wrote "learned" because most people don't sit there and try to memorize what a match is. They learn it over time, and that does go into implicit memory. Stuff that requires effort to lean goes is explicit memory. Implicit is natural and one does not need to think about it.

At any rate, I'm not trying to be a know it all Storming, but there is a difference.

 

[StormingWynn]

Exactly. The question is not asking whether or not you learned (not memorized) what a match or triangle is. It is asking how you could do something given the information you have. (By the way I edited that sample question because I wrote it wrong).

Also, I wrote "learned" because most people don't sit there and try to memorize what a match is. They learn it over time, and that does go into implicit memory. Stuff that requires effort to lean goes is explicit memory. Implicit is natural and one does not need to think about it.

At any rate, I'm not trying to be a know it all Storming, but there is a difference.

I was laughing at the 6 sided triangle thing-y. But anyways, no big. I shouldn't have posted here in the first place as it seems some people can't just accept the fact that there is a possibility of damaging intelligence with binge drinking acts. Also, yes I have taken an IQ test they've measured memory. Showing you a picture and asking you to recall it time later. I think you forgot to mention that.

 

[chman]

I was laughing at the 6 sided triangle thing-y. But anyways, no big. I shouldn't have posted here in the first place as it seems some people can't just accept the fact that there is a possibility of damaging intelligence with binge drinking acts. Also, yes I have taken an IQ test they've measured memory. Showing you a picture and asking you to recall it time later. I think you forgot to mention that.

They didn't have anything like that on the IQ test I took.

 

[StormingWynn]

They didn't have anything like that on the IQ test I took.

Really? 😕 They did on mine.

 

[illegallysmooth]

Really? 😕 They did on mine.

What is the name of the test you took, and when/where did you take it?

And in response to this:
"Without memory or a form to acquire memories you don't have the ability to apply that memory. "

The ability to understand facts exists without facts. Just like my instrinsic ability to hammer a nail exists even though there is no hammer and nail in front of me. Even if I had never seen them before, I would have the capability of learning and using the tools. This is an example of intrinsic physical ability, but the same implies to intrinsic mental ability. That is intelligence-- it is the capability, the capacity to learn or use tools like remembering facts to understand concepts. Intelligence is not memory. Intelligence is the ability to USE memories and facts in order to understand concepts and solve problems. Two people can have the exact same base of knowledge and the same memories available to them. One person may be better able to see patterns, to apply learned concepts to other problems, to more deeply understand the meaning of any given issue, to draw conclusions, to apply logic. That person is more intelligent, that person has a greater ability to use the tools available. There are people that incur brain injury and lose memories, but still have the ability to learn and solve problems. They are not deemed unintelligent because they don't know facts. If this were true, we wouldn't be able to distinguish intelligence or mental age in children because they don't know anything yet.

You're not going to debunk hundreds of years of cognitive psychology, philosophy and neuroscience, so stop trying.

 

[amph119]

You guys should all go out for a beer to calm down.

 

[elektroshok]

I don't see the big deal about this whole issue.
If you don't drink, whatever.
If you do, and you decide to party every nth weekend and its not affecting your school/work/relationships/etc. who cares??

 

[jj6vcb]

Ahh wow. Haven't checked this thread in a couple days, I'd like it if the 2 or 3 of you who are going back and forth would stop, and maybe if a mod would close this thread. I just read bits and pieces of your argument and i think it made me more dumb than alcohol ever could

 

[TooMuchResearch]

God I love this forum.

Why?

 

[Maschuch]

This is hilarious.

What's the point of living if you can't enjoy your life?

 

[illegallysmooth]

Ahh wow. Haven't checked this thread in a couple days, I'd like it if the 2 or 3 of you who are going back and forth would stop, and maybe if a mod would close this thread. I just read bits and pieces of your argument and i think it made me more dumb than alcohol ever could

LOL. Sorry for hijacking your thread, it's just hard for me to ignore people who spout blantantly wrong information and/or say things that are just ludicrious.

 

[The Poet Sings]

Ahh wow. Haven't checked this thread in a couple days, I'd like it if the 2 or 3 of you who are going back and forth would stop, and maybe if a mod would close this thread. I just read bits and pieces of your argument and i think it made me more dumb than alcohol ever could

so true!

 

[TooMuchResearch]

http://www.cracked.com/article_14805_an-alcohol-coma-your-ticket-to-good-nights-sleep.html

 

[txlonghorn]

It will hurt your intelligence so badly that you will end up going to dental school instead of medical school.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

I myself don't drink
mostly for personal reasons
me drunk =/= fun
but I could care less if the people around me were drinking

the only time I care is if, like people above me have said, someone drinks then decides it's a good idea to drive. Again, if it was only drunk drivers who died in drunk driving accidents I still wouldn't give a crap, but the fact that you could hurt/or kill one or several people who would have otherwise lived a long healthy life is just irresponsible. I see people do it ALL the time and it ticks me off to no end. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "if I put on a song I know I can drive just fine." Pay for a ****ing cab.

 

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[MilkmanAl]

Nice necro bump. Notice that I didn't question your choice of actions but rather your views of what others do. What does a drunk vs. sober competition have to do with anything? I don't know anyone who gets drunk with performance enhancement in mind. 😕

 

[TooMuchResearch]

I'm sheltered because I don't like doing drugs (alcohol is a drug) and engaging in illegal activities. (Alcohol consumption is illegal if you are below 21 years of age) yessir.

I'm sorry I'm not a typical young adult that likes to go to the bar, talk about how wasted I got, and grind.

Let's take a biology, chemistry, or whatever test. You can be drunk or tipsy and I can be sober. After that, let's lift weights and run a race. Finally, let's play some basketball. We'll see who is the winner.

This thread died 23 days ago. Your response is too late. Sorry, those are the internet's rules.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

Nice necro bump. Notice that I didn't question your choice of actions but rather your views of what others do. What does a drunk vs. sober competition have to do with anything? I don't know anyone who gets drunk with performance enhancement in mind. 😕

Your rebuttal is timely. Congratulations 👍