How conservative is EM?

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Sigh. So does my hand tattoo but you know what I still got a great residency and will get a good job based on merit, hopefully. This kind of reminds me of the Glamour magazine do's and don'ts that caused such an uproar calling Afros unprofessional. Until we have more caring, competent physicians brave enough to allow themselves to be judged by their merit despite their body art, the paradigm won't change.

The dude has a date on his neck. Im fairly sure it's not huge and personally offensive, like my personal favorite, my old regular sandwich maker at ABP with "choke it while I stroke it, bxtch!" on his neck. Maybe I would be concerned if my ED doc had sthg like that, or like "hate" tattooed across his or her knuckles. A swastika maybe, or tattooed tears, or any gang affiliated tattoos.

To the arbitrary point, across all cultures we cover our genitals and less so our elbows. Shunning tattoos on the neck (as opposed to the pretty little unicorn on your ankle) is a pretty modern Euro thing in my understanding. Meaning, there's no reason it can't change.
 
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Sigh. So does my hand tattoo but you know what I still got a great residency and will get a good job based on merit, hopefully. This kind of reminds me of the Glamour magazine do's and don'ts that caused such an uproar calling Afros unprofessional. Until we have more caring, competent physicians brave enough to allow themselves to be judged by their merit despite their body art, the paradigm won't change.

The dude has a date on his neck. Im fairly sure it's not huge and personally offensive, like my personal favorite, my old regular sandwich maker at ABP with "choke it while I stroke it, bxtch!" on his neck. Maybe I would be concerned if my ED doc had sthg like that, or like "hate" tattooed across his or her knuckles. A swastika maybe, or tattooed tears, or any gang affiliated tattoos.

To the arbitrary point, across all cultures we cover our genitals and less so our elbows. Shunning tattoos on the neck (as opposed to the pretty little unicorn on your ankle) is a pretty modern Euro thing in my understanding. Meaning, there's no reason it can't change.

Buy that tattoo coverup makeup for job interviews.

If you are waiting for humankind to think rationally, you are going to be waiting a long time. Rational people have been complaining bitterly about the precocious apes that dictate their lives ever since we've had the ability to speak. There are still over a billion Catholics in the world and gay marriage isn't legal.

You'll be dead before rationality wins. Gotta play the game.

I'll never get tattoos because society is dumb and that is the cost of wearing short sleeve shirts and making massive bank working in a hospital.
 
Ohhh PLEASE! So if I posted a pic of david beckham and his tats, I'd be offending the whites?? I don't want to hear that noise, Jesse Jackson.

People like me don't bring the African American population down. It's people like Lil' Wayne who influence the young ones to live the "thug life", leaving me with young black men coming in with lethal GSW to the chest/head. Get real.
 
The secret to modern medicine is that it doesn't really matter how good you are, how much knowledge you know, how well you can perform a procedure, but instead how much others like you.

People generally don't get sued because they're bad doctors--they get sued because of a bad outcome (real or imagined, preventable or unpreventable, unrelated to care or not) + a bad interaction between the patient and doctor.

Issues with communication, empathy, arrogance, friendliness, etc will be the reason you get or don't get complaints in your career, lawsuits, bad patient satisfaction scores, etc . . .

The dirty little secret is that what we do only really matters for a small percentage of the patients who seek our care. The rest will either get better, stay the same, or die regardless of what we do or don't do medically.







So...self interest then. You can't make that statement and then say its best for the patient. In relating that to tattoos I don't see what the issue is if that person communicates well with others. I'm not trying to argue with you all, it is what it is. Was just trying to find out what it is. Thanks for the discussion.

Maybe reread Tiger26's statement. It is not all self interest. Sometimes the best thing you will be able to do as a physician is give an acutely or chronically dying person and their family a positive interaction. How you look and act is an important part of that interaction.
 
You know what, just like most of the other interactions on here, you should just go ahead and do your own thing.
Because, like everything in the US, nothing if the fault of decisions you make, only those of people who don't respect your individuality.

Believe me when I say that there are people with tattoos who are telling you that a neck tattoo is not perceived as a sign of good judgement or intelligence. Even if they're wrong, it will still affect you.

Also, don't worry about trauma percentages, don't buy a house while you're a resident, etc.
 
Ohhh PLEASE! So if I posted a pic of david beckham and his tats, I'd be offending the whites?? I don't want to hear that noise, Jesse Jackson.

People like me don't bring the African American population down. It's people like Lil' Wayne who influence the young ones to live the "thug life", leaving me with young black men coming in with lethal GSW to the chest/head. Get real.

Your post was equivalent to Miley Cyrus doing the slanty eyes. Like I said though, (Tipper Gore), if you thought your post was appropriate, I'm probably not going to change your mind. If you think Lil Wayne is contributing more to black violence then say, the drug war, poverty, lack of education, unjust prison sentences, and single parenthood, well, ok. Crusade against him and his kind. That being, animal print skinny jeans: not thug life. He might be influencing some of your promethazine overdoses, but that's another story.

If anything, a young doctor with a neck tattoo might allow a young black man who meets him in the ED to see a different path for people who look like him. I see neck tattoos akin to dreadlocks -- cultural expressions of the body. A small date one ones neck is not equivalent to "choke it while I stroke it." A married Indian woman's nose piercing is more acceptable than a punk rocker's. If we bow to the status quo, we as individuals may succeed more quickly but, in doing so, we only strengthen what we might otherwise change.

Anyway, here's a good cultural sensitivity rule of thumb: if you wouldn't speak a certain way in front of a room full of black guys with neck tattoos (or Asians, or gays, etc) don't say it on the Internet.

Peace and Rainbows 😉
 
To the arbitrary point, across all cultures we cover our genitals and less so our elbows. Shunning tattoos on the neck (as opposed to the pretty little unicorn on your ankle) is a pretty modern Euro thing in my understanding. Meaning, there's no reason it can't change.

There is no reason it can't change. However you can't make a decision and then demand everyone else change their opinion and then complain when that change isn't occurring fast enough. Especially when it comes to tattoos in locations normally associated with the less desirable members of society.
 
Gangster rap dies not cause immediate violence of any race, just like violent games like call of duty don't cause immediate violence. In any case, it is contributory, and it is absolutely not giving a positive effect.

Second, you wouldn't say in front of a room of thugs that they are doing society no good. You wouldn't stand in a room of gang members and say gangs are pathetic. Nonethleless it is true. What is your point here? That you shouldn't say anything on the internet that you wouldn't say to a room full of people that will inflict harm on you? Bully tactics?

If you think anyone who posts a lil Wayne picture is inappropriate, I'm not sure what to say to you other than its gonna be a tough life for you buddy. Lighten up. Let Jesse Jackson do his job.
 
There is no reason it can't change. However you can't make a decision and then demand everyone else change their opinion and then complain when that change isn't occurring fast enough. Especially when it comes to tattoos in locations normally associated with the less desirable members of society.

sounds a lot like the argument against gay marriage LOL (my views on that are nowhere near germane to this discussion but it seems pretty parallel)
 
Gangster rap dies not cause immediate violence of any race, just like violent games like call of duty don't cause immediate violence. In any case, it is contributory, and it is absolutely not giving a positive effect.
Not true. Violent video games decreases violent gun use. Internet porn decreases rape. Surprisingly, most violent acts are acts of convenience, not planned out. And people spending all their time online don't commit crimes.
 
Gangster rap dies not cause immediate violence of any race, just like violent games like call of duty don't cause immediate violence. In any case, it is contributory, and it is absolutely not giving a positive effect.

Second, you wouldn't say in front of a room of thugs that they are doing society no good. You wouldn't stand in a room of gang members and say gangs are pathetic. Nonethleless it is true. What is your point here? That you shouldn't say anything on the internet that you wouldn't say to a room full of people that will inflict harm on you? Bully tactics?

If you think anyone who posts a lil Wayne picture is inappropriate, I'm not sure what to say to you other than its gonna be a tough life for you buddy. Lighten up. Let Jesse Jackson do his job.

my point is that if you aren't within your cultural realm to turn your hat backwards and start talking like "why they be trippin?'", then your doing so assumes a tone of mocking that is offensive, much in the vein of blackface comedians, "3 snaps in Z formation", "chicken flied lice" derision... you know what? I'm not trying to save the culturally insensitive masses today. If you said something to me in person equivalent to the foolishness in your post, I would address you about it once, quietly judge your character/background/upbringing, and go on about my business. So with that being said, I'll leave this discussion back to professionalism and tattoos.
 
if you have to ask...

OP you know the answer to your question. Based on some replies it sounds like maybe you just wanted reassurance rather than honesty.

EM is one of the least conservative fields in medicine.

However you interact with everyone from church ladies to gang bangers every day. I'm sure you know from your experience with tattoos that some people don't like tattoos. You will see these people and they won't like your tattoos.

Same when interview for residency. If you have a tat that can't be hid with a suit/shirt/tie some interviewers may think it's hip or cool or whatever and some will think it unprofessional. You know this already. I'm sure when you got the art you thought "this is more important to me than what conservative people think" and now you're in the situation where people you want to impress are going to think things and you're trying to rationalize why they're crazy or behind the times, but you have to go back to that moment when you decided to get a neck tattoo and realize that you knew this already and did it anyway..

it's an amazingly free society with very few restrictions on individualism. If we prevent a private corporation from having reasonable guidelines for its employee's appearance we are threatening individualism more than the guidelines themselves.
 
I'm not trying to rationalize anything. I was trying to get honest opinions which is why I've phrased things the way I have. My tattoo doesn't define me and its never really been an issue for me. You all are getting so defensive for no reason as if being conservative is an insult. Some things don't change because they work; I wanted to see how this was in EM with tattoos.

If you want to see rationalization re-read this thread and cover up the names and statuses. A lot of these posts are outright ridiculous.
 
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Tsk tsk. Well on the bright side people don't judge on skin color anymore, or anything merit based ;just tattoos. Just make sure you wear a Bowtie.

Bowties are grossly inappropriate on any physicians except neurologists (mandatory) and possibly allergists. Don't be that guy.

Also, you may be underestimating how hard it is to unf%^$ a negative first impression in the ED. It's not the "get the hell out of my room!" response you need to worry about. It's the patient that is put-off and doesn't tell you right away. Then you're wondering why they're wearing out the call button and you can't convince them they aren't sick (which hurts your PG scores) or that they are sick (which is bad for the patient).
 
Ohhh PLEASE! So if I posted a pic of david beckham and his tats, I'd be offending the whites?? I don't want to hear that noise, Jesse Jackson.

People like me don't bring the African American population down. It's people like Lil' Wayne who influence the young ones to live the "thug life", leaving me with young black men coming in with lethal GSW to the chest/head. Get real.

Man I respect and appreciate what you do. But c'mon you can't really put that on music.
 
Bowties are grossly inappropriate on any physicians except neurologists (mandatory) and possibly allergists. Don't be that guy.

Also, you may be underestimating how hard it is to unf%^$ a negative first impression in the ED. It's not the "get the hell out of my room!" response you need to worry about. It's the patient that is put-off and doesn't tell you right away. Then you're wondering why they're wearing out the call button and you can't convince them they aren't sick (which hurts your PG scores) or that they are sick (which is bad for the patient).

Lol @ first part. Ya I am probably underestimating.
 
Now you're criticizing the way I phrase things? I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Detroit and didn't have the fancy life like many, man... Relax. Getting your panties all in a wad, for what?

And I'm not putting it on gangster rap or violent games. Keyword, contributory. If you don't think tupac rapping about hittin em up, nas rapping about returning favors for favors, etc puts that mentality in kids, then you should see where I grew up. This bullsht hits home, so its not like I'm sitting behind a computer reading news and making assumptions like most.

Last but not least, I am not caucasian. If you are, and am accusing me of being culturally insensitive to what used to be my culture, that's a trip. Oh wait. Can I say that?
 
Anyhow, where I am from a tattoo on the neck means gangster or wanna-be such. With higher education I would like to think I am less judgmental but if I pulled up at a stop sign and a man with a tat on his neck came up, I would still think the same at first glance and lock my doors. We can't expect our patients to think any better. I am not trying to offend the OP, but its not complicated.
 
Now you're criticizing the way I phrase things? I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Detroit and didn't have the fancy life like many, man... Relax. Getting your panties all in a wad, for what?

And I'm not putting it on gangster rap or violent games. Keyword, contributory. If you don't think tupac rapping about hittin em up, nas rapping about returning favors for favors, etc puts that mentality in kids, then you should see where I grew up. This bullsht hits home, so its not like I'm sitting behind a computer reading news and making assumptions like most.

Last but not least, I am not caucasian. If you are, and am accusing me of being culturally insensitive to what used to be my culture, that's a trip. Oh wait. Can I say that?

That actually changes my opinion. Sorry for the assumption. I'm just used to that kid of post from white people. As an insider in a culture, you are entitled to greater license, but in a forum like this, without the appropriate contextual clues, you just sounded like a racist "I'm not racist" white person.
 
Conservatism and professionalism are two separate things, but do have some overlap. Medicine is a profession, not a trade, and it has traditionally been held to a higher standard of behavior that is collectively known as professionalism - the way you act, conduct your business, dress, treat people, speak, etc. Many in medicine are liberal, many are conservative, but nearly all adhere to what they believe to be traditional professionalism. Over time that has morphed as well.

Blue collar construction workers can be some of the most conservative people out there, unless you are talking unions. They would be more likely to not care if someone had a neck tattoo at work. Meanwhile lawyers can range all over the map of conservative or liberal, but I doubt you will find even a hyper liberal firm that would welcome a trial attorney with a visible neck or face tattoo (I know you said you can cover it with a shirt and tie, but go with me for the example here).

So if you want to define conservatism as being less accepting of neck tattoos, then yes EM is probably still too conservative. But then you are mixing up the terms conservatism and professionalism. Perhaps neck tattoos will become more accepted in society as a whole to work their way into the professional dress, but I don't think they are right now.
 
It's no biggie. I get that way too, especially when my colleagues come in and roll their eyes at each patient who can't afford their healthcare. Some people take advantage, and some people had unfortunate events happen to them.. Unless you've been there, I don't think those with wealthy upbringings should scoff at the less fortunate.
 
Now you're criticizing the way I phrase things? I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Detroit and didn't have the fancy life like many, man... Relax. Getting your panties all in a wad, for what?

And I'm not putting it on gangster rap or violent games. Keyword, contributory. If you don't think tupac rapping about hittin em up, nas rapping about returning favors for favors, etc puts that mentality in kids, then you should see where I grew up. This bullsht hits home, so its not like I'm sitting behind a computer reading news and making assumptions like most.

Last but not least, I am not caucasian. If you are, and am accusing me of being culturally insensitive to what used to be my culture, that's a trip. Oh wait. Can I say that?

I'm not criticizing the way you phrase things, but the way you approach understanding violence. Rap artists have little effect on violence, and I'm not sure why I have to educate an "educated individual on this"'; but their music reflects the environment they came from. They did not come from a peaceful place and decided, "Oh let me make these kids shoot each other". If anything they are a positive influence to people who understand and go through the same struggle they do. This "bs hits home" to me as well. I call it "bs." Also, I don't care what race you are.
 
I'm not sure how I should answer the OPs question. I tend to describe myself as:

Physically paleoconservative
Environmentally radical
Electorally liberal
Sartorially libertarian
Culinarily progressive
Literarily nostalgic
Fiscally pragmatic
Cinematically Lynchian
Historically Marxist
Financially populist
Intellectually feudalist

So, do I think that a NECK TATTOO on an ER doctor is a GOOD IDEA?

Only if, should it contain WORDS, it is NOT MISSPELLED.

That is all I have to say about this decidedly less-than-fascinating topic.

xoxo,

Glorfindel
 
From the side of having multiple tattoos and piercings - and being married to the one who did the vast majority of them -

Tattoos above the collar bone or below the wrist bones are questionable still. Mostly as they are near impossible to hide, and as such, you are going to get judged on them, fairly or unfairly.

I have a tattoo and piercing on my nape, my boss doesn't care, but my hair does cover them. I do have facial piercings, yet they aren't highly visible as my boss didn't even notice some of them for 3 years.

But I don't work for a large company, so there isn't the highly conservative hiring board that seems typical for my area hospitals. I do know that some of them are VERY prone to asking me why I have the tattoos or the piercings - it's REALLY fun with single points and MRIs. They are not magnetic, I have the mill sheets to prove it, I can have an MRI and my doctor has done them on me. A CAT is out, but seeing as I have braces and metal on several bones, my piercings don't make a big difference.
 
I'm not criticizing the way you phrase things, but the way you approach understanding violence. Rap artists have little effect on violence, and I'm not sure why I have to educate an "educated individual on this"'; but their music reflects the environment they came from. They did not come from a peaceful place and decided, "Oh let me make these kids shoot each other". If anything they are a positive influence to people who understand and go through the same struggle they do. This "bs hits home" to me as well. I call it "bs." Also, I don't care what race you are.

The criticizing my phrasing part was addressed to someone else, not you.

Tupac's famous "Hit em up"
We keep on coming
While we running for your jewels
Steady gunning
Keep on busting at them fools
You know the rules
Little Caesar go ask you homie
How I'll leave you
Cut your young a*s up
See you in pieces
Now be deceased
Little Kim,
Don't f*ck around with real G's
Quick to snatch your ugly a*s, off the streets
So f*ck peace


Nas' "Favor for a favor"
You say you got a problem? Then tell a n*gga where he at
So I can study his motions and peel his motherf*ckin cap
Where his brother go to school at? Find out some more information
bout that b*tch and hit a n*gga right back
Cause when it come down to the come down;
I'ma pull the motherf*ckin plug on him
Walk up to his face and then gone
Set a example, send these ho*s a little message:
They need to be more careful who they mess with, don't even stress it


Educate me on how this is positive influence again?.. I'm not saying all rap is gangsta, but where I grew up it's what we listened to. Of course it's also not the only contributing factor, but it does contribute. I hope to get some more education from you..
 
It really comes down to putting the patient's needs before your own. I am a big fan of The Flaming Lips, The Cramps and I think that Blackout! is one of the best albums of all time (Illmatic's good & all, but probably over-hyped). But you know what? I wouldn't wear any of my corresponding T-shirts to work, because they'd probably freak some of my patients out (tho a few would probably give me a high five). Neck tats are no more or less offensive than said T-shirts. The problem is that you can't take them off.

Most of the folks on here probably wouldn't judge you for having a tattoo, but unfortunately the same can't be said for your patients. If you're not willing to cover up a tattoo in order to put your patients at ease, that's where we have a problem.

On the other hand, if the patient has a problem with your race, religion, age or gender...well, I hope they don't let the sliding doors pinch their a** on the way out.
 
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The Eleventh Doctor wears bowties quite well. Bowties are cool.

I'd consider giving British people a pass but I fear it would just encourage the Angliophiles here to wear them. They make whatever face is above them at least 80% more punchable. Again neurologists get a pass because they have to wear them. And I guess I'll give people that could collect social security the benefit of the doubt.
 
It really comes down to putting the patient's needs before your own. I am a big fan of The Flaming Lips, The Cramps and I think that Blackout! is one of the best albums of all time (Illmatic's good & all, but probably over-hyped). But you know what? I wouldn't wear any of my corresponding T-shirts to work, because they'd probably freak some of my patients out (tho a few would probably give me a high five). Neck tats are no more or less offensive than said T-shirts. The problem is that you can't take them off.

Most of the folks on here probably wouldn't judge you for having a tattoo, but unfortunately the same can't be said for your patients. If you're not willing to cover up a tattoo in order to put your patients at ease, that's where we have a problem.

On the other hand, if the patient has a problem with your race, religion, age or gender...well, I hope they don't let the sliding doors pinch their a** on the way out.

Ill cover it up make up plus underarmor turtleneck in scrubs.
 
we see people on their worst day of their lives. the ED experience needs to be about the patient and their family, not us. your tattoo takes away from the patient experience and the seriousness of their situation. every day you go to work you have to envision yourself telling a parent that their child has unexpectedly died - they don't need to remember your neck tattoo, they need to remember the empathy and professionalism of our services.
 
Are people born with tattoos and piercings? Well, if you don't count the port-wine stain people, no - and even those folks get those removed. That is the status quo.

Now, what about tats on hands, necks, and faces? On your own hands, you can see them. However, on a neck, face, ear, or head, you can't even see them by yourself, and, if it is writing, in a mirror, they're still backwards. As such, to say that they remind you of something is disingenuous. This means you have gotten them for other people to see. You are looking for a reaction. It might not be shock, but you have something that you want someone (who isn't you) to see. On the face, anyone who says they don't want a reaction are not being honest with themselves. We have 12 cranial nerves, but only 31 for the rest of the body. "Look me in the eye", "You can't keep a straight face", and myriad others point to the face and head and neck being the centerpoint of humans. I saw 5 deer today in a small valley in Pennsylvania, and they all looked alike - minimal facial dimorphism. We don't have that. Extraneous color and metal accentuate that.

Whether it is equitable or not, making a permanent change to the focus of your person which is outside the pale should be considered greatly, and one should not be surprised that, if one chooses in the affirmative, another who does not share the same opinion might not think or feel the same.

Now, as to the person who mention Maoris, do you know any Maoris? I don't, but I did know MANY Samoans and Hawai'ians, some Micronesians, and one or two Tahitians. The Polynesian facial tattooing was for battle - to scare opponents. That's it. Warriors. Not cultural. And Polynesian tattooing, especially among Samoans (as Tongans do NOT tattoo) gave me a new perspective. Mainlanders with their ugly/dumb tattoos could learn something from a Native Hawai'ian or Samoan, but be ready for the tattooist to ask about your genealogy. Also, it will be placed with the traditional ivory needle and tapping; the only concession to modernism is that the ink is no longer ashes mixed with coconut water - the modern black ink is less carcinogenic. Moreover, it is going to hurt - and up to 6, maybe 8 guys will be needed to hold you down when the belly button tattoo is placed. You wash up in the ocean while it is healing, to wash away the pus, and cool things down.

I knew a captain in the US Army, who is haole/pakeha/palagi, who got his right shoulder with a traditional tattoo, and you can't see it in uniform or in scrubs, but it is 1. real 2. traditional 3. respected, because he respected the culture, and the natives felt he was worth it.

Now, as for the Under Armour, sure. There is a rad tech where I work who wears this white nylon sleeve on his right arm, which looks like an orthopedic thing or a burn sleeve. In reality, it covers his whole arm sleeve, because that's what the policy told him. He takes it off when he is off the clock. Hell, you could put a band-aid on your neck. People would then not think even a second.

So, again, is it equitable? A very few might think you are getting the short shrift, but, as long as you are in the junior position, you don't have the leverage. Is it just? I don't know, but I DO know it is what it is.
 
The criticizing my phrasing part was addressed to someone else, not you.

Tupac's famous "Hit em up"
We keep on coming
While we running for your jewels
Steady gunning
Keep on busting at them fools
You know the rules
Little Caesar go ask you homie
How I'll leave you
Cut your young a*s up
See you in pieces
Now be deceased
Little Kim,
Don't f*ck around with real G's
Quick to snatch your ugly a*s, off the streets
So f*ck peace


Nas' "Favor for a favor"
You say you got a problem? Then tell a n*gga where he at
So I can study his motions and peel his motherf*ckin cap
Where his brother go to school at? Find out some more information
bout that b*tch and hit a n*gga right back
Cause when it come down to the come down;
I'ma pull the motherf*ckin plug on him
Walk up to his face and then gone
Set a example, send these ho*s a little message:
They need to be more careful who they mess with, don't even stress it


Educate me on how this is positive influence again?.. I'm not saying all rap is gangsta, but where I grew up it's what we listened to. Of course it's also not the only contributing factor, but it does contribute. I hope to get some more education from you..

Educate yourself, I think you're able to self teach at this stage in the game. All of your posts on this thread are filled with ignorance. I question the notion that you're Black as well. For one, you made a racist post in the presence of people who are predominately white. Then when called you pulled that card. Minorities know which conversations should be "private" and which should be "public". If you are black, oh well. Have fun in your house, I'll be outside doing work.
 
Thanks for advising me on what I, as a minority, should and should not do. Also, for making assumptions and questioning my race. I only said that I am not Caucasian. What gave you the notion that I am Black? Based on the facts that I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Detroit and listened to rap music, I must be a ghetto Black man? Does that make you a racist now?

If you take offense so easily to something that doesn't even pertain to you, I worry for your future in the hospital. It sounds like you are lacking regular cultural exposure if you are really that sensitive.

My post of Lil' Wayne was to state the obvious. Facial tattoos will never be professional, even if you blatantly have a tattoo such as the "MISUNDERSTOOD" tat on his face. Defenses will always be made about how society is trending to where it is becoming the norm. As stated by many of your upperclassmen previously, call it being conservative.. it's really just called professionalism. I'm not sure why you have decided to turn this into a white/black issue. Would it be more suitable for you if I had posted a picture of Chris "Birdman" Anderson? I would reallocate your heat elsewhere, bud. No one is trying to start racial wars on SDN.

Anyhow, I will drop the shovel here. It's really a simple question from the OP with a simple answer. Good luck with your future endeavors.
 
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Nice deflection. I'm not trying to start anything, I didn't ask for your ignorant replies...but I will stop responding to them now. Good day.
 
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Nice deflection. I'm not trying to start anything, I didn't ask for your ignorant replies...but I will stop responding to them now. Good day.

Let's all stop being so respectful and call this guy a troll looking for an emotional response or more attention.

HH
 
I'd consider giving British people a pass but I fear it would just encourage the Angliophiles here to wear them. They make whatever face is above them at least 80% more punchable. Again neurologists get a pass because they have to wear them. And I guess I'll give people that could collect social security the benefit of the doubt.


FACT: A bowtie is only acceptable if there is a mechanism which makes said bowtie spin. Under no other circumstances is a bowtie acceptable. Even at weddings.
 
Let's all stop being so respectful and call this guy a troll looking for an emotional response or more attention.

HH

It'd sound cooler if you didn't have the same post 70 replies ago with no one paying attention.
 
Holy crap, this kind of took off lol.

To kind of address the OPs original Q, I would say that per the entire spectrum of medical fields/specialties, I think that EM would trend towards being a bit less conservative vs. others. Partly because it is a newer specialty, partly because of the type of individuals the specialty (generally...generallly) tends to attract, partly because of the nature of the work itself. Prob can't go Mike Tyson and tatoo one side of face though.....lol, better make it MATCH if you wanna work in the ER! We got standards haha!
 
I agree with your attending that it can and probably would hurt you. I would look into getting that removed.

Neck tattoos scream gang member or inmate IMO.
 
I received my first tattoo (machine work Tahitian) as an M3. I thought long and hard about placement. I asked several friends of varying personalities how they would perceive this. I was surprised that even my least conservative friends still balked at the idea even with the tattoo being placed on my torso. They reminded me that in the future you'll interact with colleagues, bosses, etc outside of work. Their advice was just make sure you'd be okay with them seeing it.

I am now planning on a second tattoo on my torso to be done in May (Samoan), but as I'll be starting residency in May and I am aware that the resident retreat will involve swimming. I am going to see during the first week or so how I feel a female with tattoos will be perceived by the dept chair, PD, etc. if I feel like it could affect their early opinions of me, I may rock a tankini at the retreat to cover them. I am fiercely proud of their meaning, and I don't want to "be someone I'm not", but I also don't want to have faculty's initial opinion be formed by body art rather than our interactions in the ED which will occur later. I don't feel like a sell out, I see it as self preservation. Also the reason I only have tats where they can be covered even in a swim suit.

Any particular reason that the tat had to be on your neck rather than arm, shoulder, chest,etc ? I agree with posters mentioning that it may not be the tat itself that is the problem, but more that the location shows a lack of forethought, if there isn't a good reason that it couldn't have been placed elsewhere.
 
We have gotten away from the original question of how the EM community views tattoos and piercings. Let's try to bring this back to that discussion please or the thread will have outlived its usefulness. That would be a shame as we are approaching a definitive opinion on whether bow ties will be allowed or not.
 
We have gotten away from the original question of how the EM community views tattoos and piercings. Let's try to bring this back to that discussion please or the thread will have outlived its usefulness. That would be a shame as we are approaching a definitive opinion on whether bow ties will be allowed or not.

What, you don't read my posts carefully enough? I said "FACT".

FACT: A bowtie is only acceptable if there is a mechanism which makes said bowtie spin. Under no other circumstances is a bowtie acceptable. Even at weddings.
 
I received my first tattoo (machine work Tahitian) as an M3. I thought long and hard about placement. I asked several friends of varying personalities how they would perceive this. I was surprised that even my least conservative friends still balked at the idea even with the tattoo being placed on my torso. They reminded me that in the future you'll interact with colleagues, bosses, etc outside of work. Their advice was just make sure you'd be okay with them seeing it.

I am now planning on a second tattoo on my torso to be done in May (Samoan), but as I'll be starting residency in May and I am aware that the resident retreat will involve swimming. I am going to see during the first week or so how I feel a female with tattoos will be perceived by the dept chair, PD, etc. if I feel like it could affect their early opinions of me, I may rock a tankini at the retreat to cover them. I am fiercely proud of their meaning, and I don't want to "be someone I'm not", but I also don't want to have faculty's initial opinion be formed by body art rather than our interactions in the ED which will occur later. I don't feel like a sell out, I see it as self preservation. Also the reason I only have tats where they can be covered even in a swim suit.

Any particular reason that the tat had to be on your neck rather than arm, shoulder, chest,etc ? I agree with posters mentioning that it may not be the tat itself that is the problem, but more that the location shows a lack of forethought, if there isn't a good reason that it couldn't have been placed elsewhere.

Well it's a memorandum for some fallen friends, but now that I look back it's something that could have been placed elsewhere. I knew when I got it that I would be judged based on it, I just figured that I could cover it up if I had to. I was in the military and got a lot of issues for it as well - but it really boiled down to whether I was on top of my game. If someone didn't like me, or if I wasn't doing my job it would've been a serious problem. I worked with patients but it was a different population, however some retired brass sometimes mentioned it but ultimately I was support staff in that capacity and not their physician. The Marines didn't care. So what I'll plan to do is cover it, and if it becomes a problem I will think about getting rid of it. I'm not so narcissistic that I only think about myself, so if its best for patients to not be bombarded with ink I'll change that.
 
FACT: A bowtie is only acceptable if there is a mechanism which makes said bowtie spin. Under no other circumstances is a bowtie acceptable. Even at weddings.

Unless you're The Doctor. Of course when you have a TARDIS, anything is cool (except wearing a fez).
 
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