How did you guys decide on radiology as a career?

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Especially given the lack of exposure to it during third year? (we cant take a Radiology elective till 4th year, when you probably should already know what you want to apply for.)

Im just curious, because I might have an interest in it, but its hard to tell.

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Especially given the lack of exposure to it during third year? (we cant take a Radiology elective till 4th year, when you probably should already know what you want to apply for.)

Im just curious, because I might have an interest in it, but its hard to tell.

You're exposed to rads on every rotation! We have 3rd and 4th year electives in it, though.
 
I started looking at specialties beyond the basic 3rd-year clerkships when I realized that I didn't like rounding or operating. That narrowed things down nicely. I just gravitated toward radiology because I felt very comfortable in the reading room, like - for instance - when we would stop by on medicine to go over a study. That piqued my curiosity, and the more I learned about radiology the more I liked it.

Like you, I was concerned about getting too little exposure to the field to make an informed decision by match time. I spent a couple of days shadowing some radiologists over Christmas break my 3rd year...not enough time to know that I'd love it, but enough time to figure out that I didn't hate it. Then, I scheduled radiology as early in my 4th year as I could.

drizzt3117 is right, in a way. There will be opportunities to get exposure to radiology on just about every rotation (not so much psych or derm, but most) if you seek them out. Volunteer to take outside films to radiology for an unofficial read; accompany inpatients to the department when they get their study; call when you're not sure if the right study is being ordered (even if the resident thinks it's the right study).
 
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I was attracted the medicine because I was always interested in the science of human physiology and pathology. I was in the minority of people that loved M1 and M2 years as a result. When I hit the wards, I saw that all the science was taken out of medicine. The biggest weapon was not your fund of knowledge, but your ability to get a good history from a patient. Rather than solve a puzzle of the most likely diagnosis, I felt like everyone just used the shotgun method hoping to catch something (cxr, ekg, belly labs, blood culture, ua, urine culture on every patient in the ED). People just followed pre-set algorithms of treatment once they found the likely diagnosis. It felt pretty dumbed down, and IMO, a waste of a medical education.

Surgery was cool, but not cool enough to justify the hours (even urology and ENT, where residencies are pretty brutal).

Then, there was radiology. Where the vast, vast majority of your work is real medicine. You are looking directly into a patient's body (the ultimate physical exam), while thinking, formulating differentials, considering every possible disease process that is consistent with the findings. Your ultimate weapon in this field is your fund of knowledge (vs in medicine, where it's your shmoozing skills). Every case is like a puzzle, and no you may not always be 100% certain of the diagnosis and need to hedge, but you are able to look inside and give true objective data. There are no bull***t social work issues to deal with, no unpredictable hours, minimal paperwork, just medicine. At its core.

My line of thinking would also justify path, but I was always more of an anatomy guy than a histo guy. Also dead bodies freak me out.

In addition, you get to do short, focused procedures. CT-guided biopsy, angio procedures are basically like playing a video game (looking at a screen while using a controller to guide it). Only in this game, you get paid for it and get to prolong a patient's life.
 
I was attracted the medicine because I was always interested in the science of human physiology and pathology. I was in the minority of people that loved M1 and M2 years as a result. When I hit the wards, I saw that all the science was taken out of medicine. The biggest weapon was not your fund of knowledge, but your ability to get a good history from a patient. Rather than solve a puzzle of the most likely diagnosis, I felt like everyone just used the shotgun method hoping to catch something (cxr, ekg, belly labs, blood culture, ua, urine culture on every patient in the ED). People just followed pre-set algorithms of treatment once they found the likely diagnosis. It felt pretty dumbed down, and IMO, a waste of a medical education.

Surgery was cool, but not cool enough to justify the hours (even urology and ENT, where residencies are pretty brutal).

Then, there was radiology. Where the vast, vast majority of your work is real medicine. You are looking directly into a patient's body (the ultimate physical exam), while thinking, formulating differentials, considering every possible disease process that is consistent with the findings. Your ultimate weapon in this field is your fund of knowledge (vs in medicine, where it's your shmoozing skills). Every case is like a puzzle, and no you may not always be 100% certain of the diagnosis and need to hedge, but you are able to look inside and give true objective data. There are no bull***t social work issues to deal with, no unpredictable hours, minimal paperwork, just medicine. At its core.

My line of thinking would also justify path, but I was always more of an anatomy guy than a histo guy. Also dead bodies freak me out.

In addition, you get to do short, focused procedures. CT-guided biopsy, angio procedures are basically like playing a video game (looking at a screen while using a controller to guide it). Only in this game, you get paid for it and get to prolong a patient's life.

I have to say that was pretty in depth and impressive, I can tell you are very passionate about your specialty.

-R
 
thanks....i guess ill just wait and see what the rest of third year brings me!
 
thanks....i guess ill just wait and see what the rest of third year brings me!

No extensive rounding... that cut out medicine, peds, neurology (I liked some aspects of Neuro, namely -- the IMAGING!)
No life-destroying fields, no matter how cool... that cut out surgery, OB, surgical subspecialties (ENT was alright)
Nothing with subject matter extremely boring to me... that cut out derm, anesthesia, psych
No BS r/o malingering narcotic seeking at 3AM, no respect from hospital with DNPs breathing down your neck for your job... that cut out EM (but if you can handle that crap, it's a great lifestyle)
I would like to have a job when I graduate.... that cut out Path (which is a great field, all joking aside)

Thought about Rad Onc, but I can't stand all that clinic, and I think it would get depressing after awhile, but it's definitely a cool field.
Was thinking about an Ophtho elective, but took some radiology electives and loved them. I just fit in. I get excited about the imaging, the technology, the puzzle, the focus on the cerebral aspect of medicine. You'll know.
 
I was attracted the medicine because I was always interested in the science of human physiology and pathology. I was in the minority of people that loved M1 and M2 years as a result. When I hit the wards, I saw that all the science was taken out of medicine. The biggest weapon was not your fund of knowledge, but your ability to get a good history from a patient. Rather than solve a puzzle of the most likely diagnosis, I felt like everyone just used the shotgun method hoping to catch something (cxr, ekg, belly labs, blood culture, ua, urine culture on every patient in the ED). People just followed pre-set algorithms of treatment once they found the likely diagnosis. It felt pretty dumbed down, and IMO, a waste of a medical education.

Surgery was cool, but not cool enough to justify the hours (even urology and ENT, where residencies are pretty brutal).

Then, there was radiology. Where the vast, vast majority of your work is real medicine. You are looking directly into a patient's body (the ultimate physical exam), while thinking, formulating differentials, considering every possible disease process that is consistent with the findings. Your ultimate weapon in this field is your fund of knowledge (vs in medicine, where it's your shmoozing skills). Every case is like a puzzle, and no you may not always be 100% certain of the diagnosis and need to hedge, but you are able to look inside and give true objective data. There are no bull***t social work issues to deal with, no unpredictable hours, minimal paperwork, just medicine. At its core.

My line of thinking would also justify path, but I was always more of an anatomy guy than a histo guy. Also dead bodies freak me out.

In addition, you get to do short, focused procedures. CT-guided biopsy, angio procedures are basically like playing a video game (looking at a screen while using a controller to guide it). Only in this game, you get paid for it and get to prolong a patient's life.

Did you ever think about anesthesia? One of my biggest gripes with medicine is that most of the time, once a diagnosis has been made, all you have to do is follow a pre-set algorithm for treatment, which doesn't require much intelligence. This is why I am attracted to Gas, Path, and Rads. Less of the social work and just pure medicine.
 
I'm a little different than most people going into rads. I wanted to do neurosurg and probably would if I'd went to med school right out of undergrad, I think interventional neuro is awesome though, and I like the idea of imaging of all kinds and minimally invasive procedures. I also have extensive industry experience in medical imaging/device and I love the research aspect of rads and bringing new products to market. I'm definitely interested in procedural rads and am applying to a lot of direct and vascular programs.
 
No extensive rounding... that cut out medicine, peds, neurology (I liked some aspects of Neuro, namely -- the IMAGING!)
No life-destroying fields, no matter how cool... that cut out surgery, OB, surgical subspecialties (ENT was alright)
Nothing with subject matter extremely boring to me... that cut out derm, anesthesia, psych
No BS r/o malingering narcotic seeking at 3AM, no respect from hospital with DNPs breathing down your neck for your job... that cut out EM (but if you can handle that crap, it's a great lifestyle)
I would like to have a job when I graduate.... that cut out Path (which is a great field, all joking aside)

Thought about Rad Onc, but I can't stand all that clinic, and I think it would get depressing after awhile, but it's definitely a cool field.
Was thinking about an Ophtho elective, but took some radiology electives and loved them. I just fit in. I get excited about the imaging, the technology, the puzzle, the focus on the cerebral aspect of medicine. You'll know.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I enjoyed IM to a certain degree but the social aspects and other negs overshadowed the cerebral aspect of it. I did enjoy the mental masturbation involved in differential dx's :laugh:
 
I'm a little different than most people going into rads. I wanted to do neurosurg and probably would if I'd went to med school right out of undergrad, I think interventional neuro is awesome though, and I like the idea of imaging of all kinds and minimally invasive procedures. I also have extensive industry experience in medical imaging/device and I love the research aspect of rads and bringing new products to market. I'm definitely interested in procedural rads and am applying to a lot of direct and vascular programs.

you do of course realize neuro IR takes 8 years total after medical school going the radiology route...

It also takes 8 years at a great majority of programs going the neurosurg route...


So I'm not sure why not going straight to med school after college eliminates neurosurg... though too late now I guess lol
 
you do of course realize neuro IR takes 8 years total after medical school going the radiology route...

It also takes 8 years at a great majority of programs going the neurosurg route...


So I'm not sure why not going straight to med school after college eliminates neurosurg... though too late now I guess lol

Most good programs let you do a year of fellowship during res, so it's 7 years. Also a rads residency is a night and day difference from a neurosurg residency. If I decided to do neurosurg I could kiss all chances of a family goodbye.
 
That is funny. By the time you finish your neurointerventional fellowship, it will be controlled by Neurosurgeons. The turf war in Neuro-IR is very hard now and it will go the same that IR went. Cardiac cath was done by Radiologists in 80s and was completely lost to Cardiology. PVD was dominated by radiologists a decade ago. It is almost completely lost to vascular surgery and cardiology. The next will be Neuro-IR. Most neurosurgery programs are integrating it into their curriculum. And a small piece will go to neurologists.
And how clueless you are. You don't want to do a neurosurgery residency because it is hard. How would you like to work as a Neuro-IR in the future? It is mostly stroke, stroke, SAH .. most in the middle of the night.
 
Most good programs let you do a year of fellowship during res, so it's 7 years. Also a rads residency is a night and day difference from a neurosurg residency. If I decided to do neurosurg I could kiss all chances of a family goodbye.

Once you add neuro-IR into your practice, it become a tough life. Acute stroke care is a lifestyle killer! But obviously very rewarding, if it strokes (no pun intended) your boat.
 
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Once you add neuro-IR into your practice, it become a tough life. Acute stroke care is a lifestyle killer! But obviously very rewarding, if it strokes (no pun intended) your boat.

You mean if it "floats" your boat?
 
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