How do programs make their rank order list?

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I'm still confused about the details of how this works, and maybe that's how it should be. I also know it's probably different everywhere, but I'm guessing there's some commonality. So who decides usually, and what matters the most? Obsessive applicants want to know ...
 
What I'm more interested in is how the match algorithm works!
 
What I'm more interested in is how the match algorithm works!

The match algorithm as I understand it is fairly simple... if you read the ERAS documentation, it would appear that they start by trying to match each applicant to their number one program. Then eventually they'll reach a point where putting the next applicant into their number one program would be one too many (e.g. a program takes 4 residents, this point would be reached when it gets to the fifth person who ranked that program number 1). At that point the computer refers to the program's rank list, and whoever of the five applicants was ranked lowest on the program's matchlist is un-matched to their number one choice and matched to their number two choice. And so on and so forth until it gets through all the applicants.
 
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I'm still confused about the details of how this works, and maybe that's how it should be. I also know it's probably different everywhere, but I'm guessing there's some commonality. So who decides usually, and what matters the most? Obsessive applicants want to know ...

I think this is pretty different everywhere. I know at my home program the residents have a meeting and create the initial ranklist using their impression of the applicants as well as their interview scores. The PD then has the final say and makes a few small changes, and that becomes the final ranklist. I would be surprised if that's the norm, though.
 
I'm still confused about the details of how this works, and maybe that's how it should be. I also know it's probably different everywhere, but I'm guessing there's some commonality. So who decides usually, and what matters the most? Obsessive applicants want to know ...

Just posted this in the (oft forgotten) Mentor Forum:

A reader writes: "A few people have said that once you receive an interview invitation your numbers pretty much cease to matter and your interview (and to a lesser extent letters of recommendation) becomes the main criteria used to determine where you're ranked on a program's match list. Can you comment on the validity of this? Thanks!"

Ahh, interview season! The anxieties, the insecurities, the uncertainties, the dreaded "scuttlebutt", rumor, and innuendo!

It's really hard to generalize, but based on the handful of programs I've had personal experience with (and essentially confirmed by others, like Swanny and psychattending, et al) there is some truth to the idea that your numbers get you the interview, and your interview gets you the ranking.

Here's how we work it: I'm on staff at a "midtier" community hospital program (though personally I think we train folks pretty danged well!).
We interview around 60 for 6-8 places. On interview day we hand in an eval sheet to our coordinator which rates the interviewees on several scales--academics, personal commitment to psychiatry, verbal and written communication (of which realistically the personal statement is our only guide), how enthusiastically their letter-writers sang their praises, and even how interested/connected they are to our location. Come February, the coordinator and chiefs will present us with a spreadsheet that preliminarily ranks everyone according to their cumulative scores across all these domains. We'll also announce who we've offered pre-matches to, given that we do see a good number of strong IMGs and DOs. We run through a ppt slide show with everyone's pictures, along with the narrative comments (pro and con) from the evals, and then get down to business.

Basically we end up throwing out 10-15% as just not rankable. The remainder are divided into "pursue", "rank", and "I suppose it would be better to have them than take a random scrambler". The last few years we've filled before getting very far into the bottom half, anyway. We'll argue a bit about where to position some applicants within those top two categories, and it tends to come down to personality, interview style, and occasionally a particularly strong advocacy from a faculty member who knows the applicant. However, I wouldn't say that the final rank list differs tremendously from the preliminary one.

Keep in mind that we want to get good people--folks that will do a good job taking care of our patients, who will show up on time for call, and who really WANT to be psychiatrists. We end up as surprised as you at how the Match falls out in the end sometimes.
 
Rankings for Psych Residency

(DL + GR + OARSC) x 2.5 + (BS+LOR+E)/2 + (FI+RI+SOR+FIP+EFP+PIA+OGF) x 3.

Any variable = 0 = NR

KEY:
Dean's Letter
Grades
Overall Academic Record Since Childhood
Board Scores
Letters of Rec
Essay
Faculty Interview
Resident Interview
Sense of Reassurance
Fit In Program
Enthusiasm for Program
Potential in Academics
Overall Gut Feeling
Not Ranked
 
Do you have a correlation coefficient for the overall score and the OGF?

This data set, a six pack of Magic Hat, and SPSS, and I would have one fun Friday night 🙂
 
I wonder if psych programs in any way account for the added anxiety of being interviewed by psych programs 🙄.
 
It's really hard to generalize, but based on the handful of programs I've had personal experience with (and essentially confirmed by others, like Swanny and psychattending, et al) there is some truth to the idea that your numbers get you the interview, and your interview gets you the ranking.

I think this may be true for many programs, but I still think every program does it differently. Some of the places I interviewed I felt like they were really trying to get to know us and get a sense of what we were like. There were other places that I felt like they really didn't spend enough time with me to get a sense of who I was (nor for me to get that great of a sense about them, either). I can't imagine the interview could have yielded much additional data at those programs other than serving to screen out people with major social-skills deficits.

Also, even where they *were* trying to get a sense of who we were, although I'd imagine the interview is a major factor in the ranking, I can't believe that all the scores, letters, etc. just get swept under the rug & once you've gotten an interview you are essentially placed on an even playing field with all the other interviewees with the ranking being decided *entirely* on the interview "performance".
 
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