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so this post is in addition to the previous post on lying about shadowing hours. Just some food for thought. I've heard of (yes the grapevine) that some people have actually omitted transcripts from their apps, thus projecting a higher GPA than they actually have. Im just curious if these people get caught and if not WHY NOT!
 
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TerpFan said:
I thought that AADSAS and the schools didn't consider your application complete until ALL transcripts were in. 😕

I don't see how someone would actually get away with it.
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Just to add: its also pretty easy for a school to do background check on you. In that case, you are quite likely to get busted if you omitted some transcripts etc.
 
TerpFan said:
I thought that AADSAS and the schools didn't consider your application complete until ALL transcripts were in. 😕

I don't see how someone would actually get away with it.
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A student wouldn’t be able to list a school on the AADSAS application and not submit a transcript.

This situation would only work if a student did poorly at a given university or community college, then went to a new university where he/she took all new classes for graduation and dental pre-reqs. In this instance, the student could omit the first school from the app since none of the classes are needed. Only the latter (and in this case better) grades would be calculated for the AADSAS GPA.

If a school doesn’t do any sort of check, I don’t see how a student would get caught. However, the second this surfaces while in d-school, the student would have to kiss his/her DDS goodbye.
 
They wouldn't get caught. A school can check to see if you really went to a school you reported, but how are they gonna check for one you didn't? I've never heard of any national database for student's academic records. The only way is if the student blabbed about it after he was admitted.
 
they can easily run your social security number. your ssn will show a record of all universities attended. it wont show classes, but it will show attendance.
 
Lopyswine said:
they can easily run your social security number. your ssn will show a record of all universities attended. it wont show classes, but it will show attendance.
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With who exactly would they run your SSN to find this out?
 
Lopyswine said:
ummm background check.... the kind employers do EVERY DAY
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You can look up someone's credit, previous addresses, and criminal record with that sure. But Podunk Community College doesn't submit to any data agency that John Doe, SSN#xxx-xx-xxxx, has enrolled at their institution. I get an extensive background check at my work every year, and no colleges I've ever attended have ever shown up on it.
 
SanOnofre2002 said:
They wouldn't get caught. A school can check to see if you really went to a school you reported, but how are they gonna check for one you didn't? I've never heard of any national database for student's academic records. The only way is if the student blabbed about it after he was admitted.
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Actually, there are companies that do this. Their actual purpose is to verify to schools that you've received your degree, but if a school was to look up your ssn, they'd get a list of all institutions you've ever been enrolled in. I wish I remembered the name of the company, then I could post a link.
 
OhNoImmaPreDent said:
so this post is in addition to the previous post on lying about shadowing hours. Just some food for thought. I've heard of (yes the grapevine) that some people have actually omitted transcripts from their apps, thus projecting a higher GPA than they actually have. Im just curious if these people get caught and if not WHY NOT!
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I just wanted to add that if you're thinking of doing something shady, I urge you to STRONGLY reconsider. There is simply too much at stake to do something so foolish.
 
SanOnofre2002 said:
You can look up someone's credit, previous addresses, and criminal record with that sure. But Podunk Community College doesn't submit to any data agency that John Doe, SSN#xxx-xx-xxxx, has enrolled at their institution. I get an extensive background check at my work every year, and no colleges I've ever attended have ever shown up on it.
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well maybe its not normal employer background check then.

Listen, I am talking from personal experience here. I took ONE class at a community college 12 years ago when i was 14. I did not send a transcript into aadsas. AADSAS put a hold on my application and emailed me saying their records showed I attended a community college and therefore they needed the transcript.

NOWHERE on my app in any way was this class mentioned. I never transferred it. It was never listed on ANYTHING that aadsas ever SAW, yet they knew, and needed the transcript.

Believe me, it was a ****ty experience, I thought that one GYM class (1 credit "weight lifting") at a community college when i was 14, wouldn't need to be listed, cost me 3 weeks of time!
 
SanOnofre2002 said:
OK, I was assuming too much. my apologies.
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no big deal. I just get a little touchy about this. I had this discussion with a friend who stating how he was going to start over at a new school and therefore AADSAS would never see his past. I kept telling him he would get caught. Well, needless to say, he has changed his plan.
 
rose786 said:
I just wanted to add that if you're thinking of doing something shady, I urge you to STRONGLY reconsider. There is simply too much at stake to do something so foolish.
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I def. had no intentions of doing this...although I may have screwed up a few years, I'm proud of my journey. Maybe my GPA doesn't reflect this, but my personal statement does. I overheard someone talking about it and I was curious to know if the chances of them getting away with it. I've worked extremely hard to get myself out of a HUGE hole, and I would only hope that someone being THAT dishonest wouldn't get away with it.
 
im not sure if this is related at all but on the TV show the next food network star one guy lied about going to culinary school and they found out and he left.....conclusion = don't lie about the important stuff
 
TerpFan said:
I thought that AADSAS and the schools didn't consider your application complete until ALL transcripts were in. 😕

I don't see how someone would actually get away with it.
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??? When i was in high school i had bout 12 credits from a local community college. I never turned that one in. But then again, i never put those classes on the AADSAS form. So im sure you only need transcrips from classes you report. Come to think of it.... they were all A's which would have boosted my GPA.
 
letsgfuad said:
??? When i was in high school i had bout 12 credits from a local community college. I never turned that one in. But then again, i never put those classes on the AADSAS form. So im sure you only need transcrips from classes you report. Come to think of it.... they were all A's which would have boosted my GPA.
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that statement is absolutely false...check out the aadsas requirement


well i hope it doesn't catch up to you because that is grounds for having your acceptances revoked...and you can be kicked out of d-school at anytime if it comes to light
 
I was under the impression that you must report ALL schools attended, hence you need to send in ALL transcripts.
 
Lopyswine said:
well maybe its not normal employer background check then.

Listen, I am talking from personal experience here. I took ONE class at a community college 12 years ago when i was 14. I did not send a transcript into aadsas. AADSAS put a hold on my application and emailed me saying their records showed I attended a community college and therefore they needed the transcript.

NOWHERE on my app in any way was this class mentioned. I never transferred it. It was never listed on ANYTHING that aadsas ever SAW, yet they knew, and needed the transcript.

Believe me, it was a ****ty experience, I thought that one GYM class (1 credit "weight lifting") at a community college when i was 14, wouldn't need to be listed, cost me 3 weeks of time!
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In this case AADSAS does the check for you. If this is the case there's NO way that anybody can pull a fast one.
 
You know when u request transcript, you can sometimes ask them to have the transcript from the specific year, say...

i took a class in 2000 and got an F, but i went back and took some more classes and got A/Bs in 2005. And I send them transcripts from 2005 or something. Will that be a problem?

Stupid me and my ESL class...
 
sl2obel2ts said:
You know when u request transcript, you can sometimes ask them to have the transcript from the specific year, say...

i took a class in 2000 and got an F, but i went back and took some more classes and got A/Bs in 2005. And I send them transcripts from 2005 or something. Will that be a problem?

Stupid me and my ESL class...
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Not sure about other universities, but I dont think UCD registrar has the option of letting you get away with just some certain parts. I've filled out transcript request forms more than 5 times and I dont ever recall there is such an option there.

Plus, even if you can get away with it, you still have to go through AADSAS. I dont think anyone would still want to risk this based on the aforementioned experience with AADSAS.
 
jigabodo said:
Not sure about other universities, but I dont think UCD registrar has the option of letting you get away with just some certain parts. I've filled out transcript request forms more than 5 times and I dont ever recall there is such an option there.

Plus, even if you can get away with it, you still have to go through AADSAS. I dont think anyone would still want to risk this based on the aforementioned experience with AADSAS.
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Yup, same here. The registrars I dealt with don't have that option either. They send out all the grades. AADSAS gets all the years not just certain years.
 
OhNoImmaPreDent said:
so this post is in addition to the previous post on lying about shadowing hours. Just some food for thought. I've heard of (yes the grapevine) that some people have actually omitted transcripts from their apps, thus projecting a higher GPA than they actually have. Im just curious if these people get caught and if not WHY NOT!
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Nothing like starting a quest for professional school with a touch of deceit.
 
You know. AADSAS should check and notify applicants of the omission. If an applicant is nor thatfar removed from his/her undergrad it will definitely look like malicious intent. You can't say that you forgot about courses that you bombed. On the other hand if the applicant is an older applicant that has 10+ yrs since their undergrad years it's quite possible that he/she forgot because people can forget that they took one course here and there. However this doesn't save them from rejection. Let's discriminate between both just to be fair.
 
Before you do anything on AADSAS, I think its the best that you actually request an official transcript and see what it actually says... I took some workload classes at 4yr university. I got 2 C-s, but w/o any units... Those 2 C- workload clases DID NOT SHOW up at all. :/ prollly not gonna put them on aadsas.


Official transcript CAN BE DIFFERENT from your ONLINE UNOFFICIAL transcript. (in my case, it was)
 
I wonder why?😕
 
rose786,
what is the name of the company that does the background check? PM please.
 
I don't see why a school would do an education verification check. After all, AADSAS request transcripts that are sent directly from each school. That alone will verify whether or not a student have actually earned a degree. However, I was able to find this link. It include information needed to complete a check.
http://www.infocubic.net/products/education_verification.htm

It looks more like this company can check the validity of specific schools. I don't know if they could just type in your ssn# and get an entire list of schools you attended though.
 
if you lie about your grades, thats not a crime right?
 
NAVY DDS 2010 said:
I wouldn't think so, but it is definitely an immediate grounds for expulsion if a school finds out!
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Not to mention that he/she risks getting black listed if there is such a thing.
In addition the individual has the embarrassing prospect that he/she probably has to spill the beans on this when person in question tries to reapply. Moral of the story, notify the schools. If the schools find out his/her head will be the one rolling. If the school gets notified the chances of expulsion are anything but 100%. He/she may still get expelled depending on the circumstances. At the very least the individual will not get blacklisted it may still be embarrassing though.

There have been cases of people forgetting grades but those generally tend to be people that are many years removed from their undergrad years. One grade or two here and there. Generally schools will be understanding if you let them know. Ex: Forgetting summer school course that was taken some 10+ years ago.
 
I applied last year and forgot about two classes that I took at a CC while in highschool and nobody called me on it. Not saying you should do it but that was just my case.
PS. I reaplied this year with those transcripts ( didn't forget this time).
 
SoCalDent said:
I applied last year and forgot about two classes that I took at a CC while in highschool and nobody called me on it. Not saying you should do it but that was just my case.
PS. I reaplied this year with those transcripts ( didn't forget this time).
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as I've already mentioned. I also forgot to mention to GYM classes I took at a CC while in high school.

AADSAS found out, put my ap on hold and emailed me. I had to send in a transcript from the CC for 2 units of weight lifting classes. It cost me a ton of time and my application did not make the "first dump" to the schools.
 
Lopyswine said:
as I've already mentioned. I also forgot to mention to GYM classes I took at a CC while in high school.

AADSAS found out, put my ap on hold and emailed me. I had to send in a transcript from the CC for 2 units of weight lifting classes. It cost me a ton of time and my application did not make the "first dump" to the schools.
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Yeah I read your post, but what I am saying is they did not do to me what they did to you.
 
SoCalDent said:
Yeah I read your post, but what I am saying is they did not do to me what they did to you.
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Regardless you still need to tell them. Since people have abused student visa and overstayed in the states and terrorist have used it to gain entry into the US don't you think that there might be a push to setup some sort of academic enrollment database for security reasons?
 
I think this thread needs to be closed.
 
AADSAS is there for a reason... and it is international also.

During my first year application, someone in Africa must have had a student ID number that matched my SSN and I ended up with a bunch of crap on my record that I only found out about when contacting AADSAS about the wrong GPA scores. This wasn't resolved until well into December.

If your numbers don't match exactly, you had better check with AADSAS why they don't.
 
Some schools require you to do a background check before you enroll (they ask for this in the acceptance letter). VCU did..and they make you pay the $50 for it too.
 
So are you guys telling me I need to report the institution I withdrew from so that I can start all over again?

I mean, I had kidney stones for god sake and my parent's were bankrupt at the time! (Depression...) I don't think that'll show up on my transcript! Now I'm pissed......
 
zmedo007 said:
So are you guys telling me I need to report the institution I withdrew from so that I can start all over again?

I mean, I had kidney stones for god sake and my parent's were bankrupt at the time! (Depression...) I don't think that'll show up on my transcript! Now I'm pissed......
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It's better if you do. Check out this site.

http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/colleges/Tracker/default.htm

Over 90% of schools use it and they just need to enter your name, SSN and birthday to find out every single college you ever attended.
 
I guess honesty is the best policy.

You guys got me worried for an hour or so, but I'm going to go ahead and fix things up in the next couple of weeks because I am planning to attend a new post-secondary school rather than the one I withdrew from - I had medical problems there and etc.

Thanks for the heads up and the info. 😎

btw, I am a Canadian... (international)
 
OhNoImmaPreDent said:
I def. had no intentions of doing this...although I may have screwed up a few years, I'm proud of my journey. Maybe my GPA doesn't reflect this, but my personal statement does. I overheard someone talking about it and I was curious to know if the chances of them getting away with it. I've worked extremely hard to get myself out of a HUGE hole, and I would only hope that someone being THAT dishonest wouldn't get away with it.
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For someone who has not intentions of lying, you sure have done enough inquiring about how to go about it and how likely you are to get caught.
 
False assumption! This is an open forum, and someone else posted a thread about being upset that people were falsifying their EC's. I have come a long way since my "screw up" and I thought it would be INCREDIBLY unfair if someone could get away with lying about their academic records. I find it very offensive that you have implied that I am a dishonest person!
 
OhNoImmaPreDent said:
False assumption! This is an open forum, and someone else posted a thread about being upset that people were falsifying their EC's. I have come a long way since my "screw up" and I thought it would be INCREDIBLY unfair if someone could get away with lying about their academic records. I find it very offensive that you have implied that I am a dishonest person!
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I almost just spit my cereal all over my computer monitor laughing at that one
 
Karma is a bitch.
Why would it be worth it to lie about hours... when it won't make that much of a difference anyway, and if you get caught, you are pretty much on the Dental School blacklist.
 
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