How long is your CV?

[All4MyDaughter]

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Not really. I didn't have a choice in the rotations I had so there really isn't a reason to be that specific on your CV. It's not fair to view me as a lesser candidate because of where I did my 4th year rotations.

It happens. Rotations are really important to students' overall learning and competence. I don't want to see a bunch of crap rotations either, when reviewing CVs. There should be at least a good variety of core experiences (hospital, inpatient clinical, amb care, community) and preferably, electives that tell me what the student is interested in.

 

[Sparda29]

Was that the one with drug addicts? How come you had to do so many public health?

That's Touro NY's mission/goal/vision, to train pharmacists who are experienced in public health. I didn't really get the idea, they are planning on adding a dual PharmD/MPH track eventually.

Some sites for public health, I actually liked and felt like there was actually something being accomplished (working with the Department of Health on anti-obesity projects in public schools. One of the projects I was working on actually led to Emperor Bloomberg's ban on drinks > 16 ounces at restaurants. The site with the drug addicts was also a pretty good site.

The ones I hated where the ones where I had to go out on the street and educate random people about safe sex and HIV, and the one where I had to work at a shelter/advocacy center for women who were victims of domestic violence. They made me work at the child care center in the facility one day. After like 20 mins with the kid, I just bailed out and called the school saying that I am not going back to the site if I have to do child care.

I wish I didn't do an oncology rotation though. It comes up all the time during interviews and then I have to tell them I really didn't do much on that rotation other than compounding the pre-chemo drugs and studying for the NAPLEX. A lot of my decisions on choosing sites were based on convenience and small commute/easy parking. The really really good top notch sites were like in the heart of the city where I'd face a crapton of traffic and probably couldn't take my car to and would have a good 2 hour commute to.

 

[BenJammin]

It happens. Rotations are really important to students' overall learning and competence. I don't want to see a bunch of crap rotations either, when reviewing CVs. There should be at least a good variety of core experiences (hospital, inpatient clinical, amb care, community) and preferably, electives that tell me what the student is interested in.

Again, no choice in electives either lol

 

[Its Z]

Not really. I didn't have a choice in the rotations I had so there really isn't a reason to be that specific on your CV. It's not fair to view me as a lesser candidate because of where I did my 4th year rotations.

It is absolutely fair to view your experience as a lesser one to others with better options. You chose your school.

 

[BenJammin]

It is absolutely fair to view your experience as a lesser one to others with better options. You chose your school.

But to judge me as a candidate for a job? Horse****.

 

[Its Z]

But to judge me as a candidate for a job? Horse****.

Say what you want but if all you have is a horse **** rotation and no experience to make up for it then your cv/resume is going straight into the trash can.

 

[BenJammin]

Say what you want but if all you have is a horse **** rotation and no experience to make up for it then your cv/resume is going straight into the trash can.

Just for a bad selective? You're delusional. Absolutely delusional.

 

[Its Z]

Just for a bad selective? You're delusional. Absolutely delusional.

Nah....

Going to a lesser school that gave you less opportunity to learn should be excused? Who's delusional now.

 

[Its Z]

Applicant for a staff/clinical position without a residency will do better if there are worthwhile clinical rotations such as ID or critical care in addition to internal Med...

Sucks to be a student at your school.

 

[cycloketocaine]

When looking for the above emoticon, I found this one:



WTF mods?

 

[owlegrad]

When looking for the above emoticon, I found this one:



WTF mods?

What, you don't like it?

 

[Its Z]

When looking for the above emoticon, I found this one:



WTF mods?

Shouldn't you be rooting on your sooners

 

[cycloketocaine]

Shouldn't you be rooting on your sooners

I'm multi tasking...actually I'm doing multiple things at once right now...

 

[Its Z]

I'm multi tasking...actually I'm doing multiple things at once right now...

Multiple is good.

 

[cycloketocaine]

Multiple is good.

Why yes, yes they is

 

[joetrisman]

Applicant for a staff/clinical position without a residency will do better if there are worthwhile clinical rotations such as ID or critical care in addition to internal Med...

Sucks to be a student at your school.

Got all three

 

[joetrisman]

Students lack experience. That's why they should do a cv to describe their experience including rotations and presentations. Fluffed up cv can be exposed really quick when we start to talk about it. I like to see more critical care rotations...

I actually did an international research rotation overseas.

Wasn't a fluff.....legit and I worked my ass off

Well since I'm clinical and looking at residency candidates, I want to see inpatient clinical rotations with meaningful projects.

A great rotation would be clinical with a faculty member and a good letter of Rec to accompany it.

A lot of international rotations are fun, but not a super asset as far as becoming a stronger clinician.

 

[KARM12]

Your rotations absolutley make a difference. You may not have 100% choice in them, but if you go to a decent school the chances of getting at least one at a good hospital greatly improve. Out of my 6, I was able to get 2 at large academic medical centers and 1 at a VA. And I went to a school that is not directly affiliated with any hospital. Three of 6 were with faculty.

 

[Its Z]

Dood...times were different when I was a student.

I interned at a major ped institution for 4 years while in school and it might as well have been a long series of rotations with projects and presentations along with involvement in automation infancy.

My international research was on pharmacy automation which was tied to pharmacy administration rotation at Kaiser. These hospitals I visited were so much more advanced with robotics and automated delivery system.

I also did cardiology, inpatient psych, Kaiser amcare. The only fluff rotation was community pharm practice at a joint owned by Mike Rudolph(SC folks know who he is) and he tried to recruit me run one of his joints.

 

[Its Z]

Got all three

Your CV would not get thrown in the trash

 

[rxlea]

Your rotations absolutley make a difference. You may not have 100% choice in them, but if you go to a decent school the chances of getting at least one at a good hospital greatly improve. Out of my 6, I was able to get 2 at large academic medical centers and 1 at a VA. And I went to a school that is not directly affiliated with any hospital. Three of 6 were with faculty.

I spoke with a pharmacist at the VA last week who told me they have a pharmacoeconomics/clinical patient outcomes rotation. Right up my alley. I'm going to try to snag that one as my extra elective rotation.

Do you guys have a patient outcomes or pharm econ pharmacist (or any variation of) at your institution or are cost/formulary/quality improvement related issues handled by a team/committee ?

I'm looking at:
1) international community rotation in Spain coupled with teaching at the university
2) VA institutional/patient outcomes (if I can get it) OR UMC institutional/acute care
3) am care at community center for underserved/low income
4) academic on campus teaching stats and quality improvement
5) off
6) government agency
7) Adult acute care + critical care at regional hospital (rural)
8) Community/am care/MTM community center (rural)

 

[joetrisman]

Dood...times were different when I was a student.

I interned at a major ped institution for 4 years while in school and it might as well have been a long series of rotations with projects and presentations along with involvement in automation infancy.

My international research was on pharmacy automation which was tied to pharmacy administration rotation at Kaiser. These hospitals I visited were so much more advanced with robotics and automated delivery system.

I also did cardiology, inpatient psych, Kaiser amcare. The only fluff rotation was community pharm practice at a joint owned by Mike Rudolph(SC folks know who he is) and he tried to recruit me run one of his joints.

I was trolling you

Still haven't found a good coffee shop near Mandalay.

 

[Its Z]

I spoke with a pharmacist at the VA last week who told me they have a pharmacoeconomics/clinical patient outcomes rotation. Right up my alley. I'm going to try to snag that one as my extra elective rotation.

Do you guys have a patient outcomes or pharm econ pharmacist (or any variation of) at your institution or are cost/formulary/quality improvement related issues handled by a team/committee ?

I'm looking at:
1) international community rotation in Spain coupled with teaching at the university
2) VA institutional/patient outcomes (if I can get it) OR UMC institutional/acute care
3) am care at community center for underserved/low income
4) academic on campus teaching stats and quality improvement
5) off
6) government agency
7) Adult acute care + critical care at regional hospital (rural)
8) Community/am care/MTM community center (rural)

Critical care at a rural hospital may not have enough patient population....though you could really get into taking care if those 4 patients.

 

[rxlea]

Critical care at a rural hospital may not have enough patient population....though you could really get into taking care if those 4 patients.

200 bed hospital. People love to go to the grand canyon and fall in...or play with snakes and get their face bit off. Happened last summer.

 

[njac]

But to judge me as a candidate for a job? Horse****.

Why not? That's part of something I use to compare students from various schools.

Come on, it's obviously not the only criteria used, but if its a staffing position and two new grads apply - one had a single hospital hybrid rotation and the other had 4 hospital rotations, all other things equal who so you pick?

 

[SHC1984]

So what is most important?

Hospital work experience

OR

Hospital rotations

OR

High GPA

 

[joetrisman]

So what is most important?

Hospital work experience

OR

Hospital rotations

OR

High GPA

Yes

 

[njac]

So what is most important?

Hospital work experience

OR

Hospital rotations

OR

High GPA

To generalize, which does not take into account indviduals, I would say for the most part: hospital work experience > rotations > high gpa.

There is so much more to the equation than that though.

 

[IndustryPharmD]

But to judge me as a candidate for a job? Horse****.

You've got to be kidding me. If I see that the candidate lacks the required experience(s), I don't care whose fault it is, the candidate still is not good enough for the job.

The rise of the generation where every kid is used to getting a prize for participation whether they actually did something or not... 🙄

 

[Sparda29]

Applicant for a staff/clinical position without a residency will do better if there are worthwhile clinical rotations such as ID or critical care in addition to internal Med...

Sucks to be a student at your school.

My school had ID elective but no critical care. Unfortunately, there were like only 2 sites available for ID and I wasn't willing to make 70 mile round trips and spend $200 a week on gasoline costs getting there and back. Not to mention, the preceptors for those rotations had reputations for pimping the students a lot.

 

[amox]

two pages

and i laugh at all the 1st/2nd years with 4-10 pages. Delete that high school garbage and every volunteer event. aint nobody got time fo dat

We call them CV ****** (delete if language not allowed)

 

[Praziquantel86]

So, to dovetail off of this -

When do folks start deleting of student/residency rotations altogether, or getting rid of non-CE/platform/invited presentations? I know they don't stay on there forever, but I'm having a tough time finding when exactly to just drop them out.

 

[Farmercyst]

My school had ID elective but no critical care. Unfortunately, there were like only 2 sites available for ID and I wasn't willing to make 70 mile round trips and spend $200 a week on gasoline costs getting there and back. Not to mention, the preceptors for those rotations had reputations for pimping the students a lot.

I rented a room in a house for 6 weeks 200+/- miles from my house to do a NICU/staffing rotation. You pick what you're willing to sacrifice for.

 

[mustang sally]

What is a BS rotation?

What is a GREAT rotation?

Please define.

I am assuming BS is retail? lol...

My rotations were PBM, Nutritional support, Home Care( Home Infusion), Informatics, Nuclear, Advance hospital, Pediatrics, and Compounding

Sorry, but I hate ID, Critical care, cardiology, oncology etc. So I avoid those as much as possible!

You know it's a BS rotation if all of the slackers in your class are competing for it so they don't have to do too much work. I knew by the time we chose rotations which ones were fluff just by this and word of mouth.

 

[297point1]

So, to dovetail off of this -

When do folks start deleting of student/residency rotations altogether, or getting rid of non-CE/platform/invited presentations? I know they don't stay on there forever, but I'm having a tough time finding when exactly to just drop them out.

Knowing where you are in the job hunt, it depends who is seeing your CV:

For non-academic positions:
- Keep your student/residency stuff on when applying for your first post-residency/fellowship job
- Once you land that first job, drop your "average" student stuff (keep anything above/beyond the usual student experience, like posters/publications)
- Once you are a few years in to your job, drop your "average" residency/fellowship stuff. It's the old 'what have you done lately' mentality- can't be resting on your laurels for something during you residency five years earlier.

For academic positions:
- Keep EVERYTHING
Sadly in my world, CV size matters...just because I don't play that game doesn't mean that it's not important to others
(no jokes about me not measuring up )

 

[Sparda29]

I rented a room in a house for 6 weeks 200+/- miles from my house to do a NICU/staffing rotation. You pick what you're willing to sacrifice for.

Yeah, by that point in the semester I had barely any money left and I had already maxed out the grad plus loan. If I rented a room near there, I'd be saving on gas costs and commute time, but then I'd be paying for rent while I don't pay if I stay home.

 

[Billy Madison]

Mine is many pages, but my employer compiled it for the IBR... It has every clinical trial I have signed any documents for. I am guessing this is not what I would want to send to a future employer, but really I don't know much about the usefulness of a CV in the real world. I am not trying to be rude, I just have never used one. I always use a resume, sometimes with a cover letter... And I have never been jobless. Don't have my PharmD, though, this is just looking for jobs with a BS in pharm sci and working jobs that pay about 40k a year.

 

[Praziquantel86]

Knowing where you are in the job hunt, it depends who is seeing your CV:

For non-academic positions:
- Keep your student/residency stuff on when applying for your first post-residency/fellowship job
- Once you land that first job, drop your "average" student stuff (keep anything above/beyond the usual student experience, like posters/publications)
- Once you are a few years in to your job, drop your "average" residency/fellowship stuff. It's the old 'what have you done lately' mentality- can't be resting on your laurels for something during you residency five years earlier.

For academic positions:
- Keep EVERYTHING
Sadly in my world, CV size matters...just because I don't play that game doesn't mean that it's not important to others
(no jokes about me not measuring up )

Ugh. I was really hoping to get rid of some of that stuff. It just looks like clutter.