How long should the lock down last?

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Birdstrike said:
Requires mask for kids and teachers, order some jugs of sanitizer and plexi-glass for teachers' desks, and get back to work like everyone else. No special exemptions and no protected classes of people.

Many European countries never closed schools and kept them open with masks & precautionary measures and the data shows that it was safe, or at least as safe as possible. Certainly you read all the data from Europe I posted on this forum about hat. I agree that reopening without any precautions, no masks, no teacher PPE, and without any sterilization precautions would be stupid.

However, don't be so naive. It's very easy to appear to want schools reopened, while setting the bar so high, you know it'll never happen. The school boards in my state have tried exactly that, creating a formula so strict, requiring viral counts so low that we take years (or never) achieve them, to justify appearing to favor reopening, but stacking the deck to guarantee a result that equals "stay home and get a pay check."

And don't think these teachers that are staying home are so naive. Many of them are double dipping, cashing their paycheck and working second jobs while they do their daily 1-hour "zoom meeting" while kids and parents do the teachers' jobs. They're not dumb. It's called be resourceful and they don't want to give it up. You bet your tulips I'd pick up some additional work to get two salaries for working the equivalent of one job. I also see their Facebook posts of them at their family reunions with no masks on, with their kids at the arcade and beeboppin' around town while "quarantining in fear." I call BS on them being "scared." They don't seem too worried about the elderly lady working at Target for 1/4 of what they earn, who's been risking exposure for the last 4 months so they can stay home with their special exemptions that literally no one else in the world gets.

For as long as I live, I'll never forget how teachers have exploited a pandemic using it essentially as blackmail, bordering on threatening a de facto strike, saying, "Pay me not to work, give me a raise or I don't show up." And they've done it all at the expense everyone's children, including mine.
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AMEN brother. I agree with all of this. It's much more of a teacher union demand than republican/democrat issue in my opinion.

Single most important point to be learned from this: private schools are going back to school. public ones are not. That's because in one case teachers will not get paid, in the other case they will.
 
Birdstrike said:
I just feel very fortunate my Governor isn't putting up with the political BS that others are using to deny my kids the education I paid for already through my tax dollars. People may have to literally move states because states seem to be stratifying into either, A) "Life Is An Apocalypse Now, Forever" or, B) "Let's get back to normal, ASAP."
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I wonder if there will be lawsuits claiming that property taxes are not being used as intended keeping kids out of schools. I'm joining that lawsuit.
 
thegenius said:
I wonder if there will be lawsuits claiming that property taxes are not being used as intended keeping kids out of schools. I'm joining that lawsuit.
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Probably. Btw, just saw breaking news. Your Governor just banned school.
 
AMEHigh said:
Do people not realize that covid is an actual illness? Yes there are people that are asymptomatic, but people with covid actually often do feel bad and have to stay home because they have a fever, fatigued, diarrhea, etc. There's already a shortage of substitute teachers. So who is going to teach children when people feel sick and need to stay home? It's such poor planning to not want community spread to be less before opening schools in 2 weeks.
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We understand that it's a contagious illness. And if there was evidence that the virus spreads no matter what we do - despite cleaning our hands, not breathing directly on people, wearing masks, staying away from large crowds without ventilation, then I think teachers have a point. But there are plenty of people, LIKE 100,000,000 PEOPLE, in the US who have gone back to work and are being careful and not getting sick.

It's just the dumbfuks in LA, Houston, Miami, and Arizona who are getting sick because they insist on going to COVID parties and kissing and hugging everyone in sight. They are idiots.
 
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Our governor has given schools cover to open, making distancing measures “recommended” but not “required”. Our teachers’ union has just released a statement that they require “14 days with no cases in the county before we will consider returning to face to face instruction”. Our county has 400k people. Two weeks with no cases is not likely to happen ever, even with a vaccine.

What was that about teachers not asking for special treatment?
 
Read this nonsense. This was posted by someone in my neighborhood on NextDoor:

Inadequate measures from a safety standpoint. Cases are going to continue to rise for the foreseeable future, almost certainly until school starts. But being off the State watch list won’t mean it is safe to go back into the classroom. By the time counties now on the watchlist are able to go 14 straight days without an increase in cases, the virus will have spread significantly, if not dramatically, and the overall number of people infected will be greater. Thus, the risk of being infected several months from now vs. today will actually be greater. The best chance we have to keep our communities as healthy as possible and give kids the best education under these all-too-real circumstances would be to start planning now for robust and effective remote learning all school year. Anything short of that is going to be a disaster with widespread infections, sicknesses with life-long consequences and deaths... plus stop-and-start, oft-interrupted in-class programs where students will have a front row seat to those horrors which will be far more emotionally harmful than whatever socialization benefits may be possible with masked and physically distanced in-class learning.
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MHYDE said:
Our governor has given schools cover to open, making distancing measures “recommended” but not “required”. Our teachers’ union has just released a statement that they require “14 days with no cases in the county before we will consider returning to face to face instruction”. Our county has 400k people. Two weeks with no cases is not likely to happen ever, even with a vaccine.

What was that about teachers not asking for special treatment?
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I'm not sure what state you're in, but it sounds more like your Governor game them cover not to open. With teachers taking the stand they are across the country, the only thing that's going to get it done is an Executive order requiring them to return to work for in-person school with a mask and some sanitizer, be fired. Anything short of that is a weak play, cop out and de facto endorsement of the teachers' stance. The Governors have to power to do this, but they're only going to do it, if people bombard their offices, phone lines and emails demanding it. There may have to even be lawsuits, marches and action to recall Governors to get it done in some locations. It depends how bad people want it, and how much action they're willing to take.
 
thegenius said:
Seriously is there any precedent to having districts sue the school system for paying full time and teaching at home?
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I'm not sure, but my wife and I are willing and able to join and/or start a class action suit in our state if needed. For now, it looks like our Governor is on our side to reopen (for the moment) but we know a lot of lawyers and a lot of pissed off parents with money, if he caves.
 
thegenius said:
Read this nonsense. This was posted by someone in my neighborhood on NextDoor:
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I'd like to see that person's Facebook timeline. I'd bet serious money it's full of countless pictures of maskless social activities and dripping with righteous, frothy hypocrisy.
 
I totally bet. I bet she is going to Costco, going to the DMV, going to the grocery store, getting her car serviced.

They want zero risk. Our kids are not going back to school this year.

I want a god damn ****ing refund on my taxes!!!!!!!
 
MHYDE said:
that they require “14 days with no cases in the county before we will consider returning to face to face instruction”. Our county has 400k people. Two weeks with no cases is not likely to happen ever, even with a vaccine.
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That's essentially a strike and de facto extortion during a crisis. If you let them, they may end up pulling off the most epic paycheck heist of all time. Lifetime paychecks without having to go to work, until viral eradication, which may never happen. Look into your state laws. I'll bet you your Governor has the ultimate say on approving School Board plans, or at a minimum, has the power to issue an executive order. My state, for example, has in the State Constitution that the State government is required by law to provide an education. Our Governor has already declared that remote learning failed and "doesn't count as education" under our Constitution, and only 5-day school does, unless parents opt out individually.
 
thegenius said:
I totally bet. I bet she is going to Costco, going to the DMV, going to the grocery store, getting her car serviced.

They want zero risk.
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That's the thing. These ******* actually don't want zero risk. They're taking their kids to all kinds of places, crowded places. I see their posts. They've got their kids at birthday parties, country club, sports camps, jumping in and out of frickin' bouncy houses, having sleepovers and all kids of other social activities. Half of their kids probably have already had COVID and didn't even know it! These people are not quarantining. They're going on with life but want to ban my kid from school. Uh....NO. If my kid is allowed to go to a frickin' water park and a crowded Walmart, they can be allowed to go to school.
 
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Birdstrike said:
That's essentially a strike and de facto extortion during a crisis. If you let them, they may end up pulling off the most epic paycheck heist of all time. Lifetime paychecks without having to go to work, until viral eradication, which may never happen. Look into your state laws. I'll bet you your Governor has the ultimate say on approving School Board plans, or at a minimum, has the power to issue an executive order. My state, for example, has in the State Constitution that the State government is required by law to provide an education. Our Governor has already declared that remote learning failed and "doesn't count as education" under our Constitution, and only 5-day school does, unless parents opt out individually.
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My “cover to open” remark was assuming the teachers and board actually wanted to go back. I was naive. I also think the obvious answer to the “required by law to provide an education” stipulation is that they will educate remotely. We are moving to a private school, along with anyone else who can, I guess.
 
MHYDE said:
My “cover to open” remark was assuming the teachers and board actually wanted to go back. I was naive. I also think the obvious answer to the “required by law to provide an education” stipulation is that they will educate remotely. We are moving to a private school, along with anyone else who can, I guess.
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Consider getting it in writing from the school and your state, they won’t close in-person school at your private school after you pay tuition and if they do, refund is guaranteed. Private schools aren’t immune.
 
I just don’t understand the difficulty in understanding what’s going on. I, literally me, personally, in person, have seen numerous otherwise basically healthy ppl go down in flames for Covid-related respiratory failure.

I have close friends that are watching the refrigerated trucks get overloaded bodies bc the morgues are full.

I don’t have the data in front of me, but iirc the majority (>50%) of ppl in our icu that were intubated due to Covid sxs left in a body bag.

I don’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, but if you don’t think things are absolutely f-ing terrible in multiples parts of the US, then you are just completely misinformed. It’s not some “hoax.” If you are getting your news from Fox and Facebook, then you’re just not well informed.
 
TeddyBoomBoom said:
I just don’t understand the difficulty in understanding what’s going on. I, literally me, personally, in person, have seen numerous otherwise basically healthy ppl go down in flames for Covid-related respiratory failure.

I have close friends that are watching the refrigerated trucks get overloaded bodies bc the morgues are full.

I don’t have the data in front of me, but iirc the majority (>50%) of ppl in our icu that were intubated due to Covid sxs left in a body bag.

I don’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, but if you don’t think things are absolutely f-ing terrible in multiples parts of the US, then you are just completely misinformed. It’s not some “hoax.” If you are getting your news from Fox and Facebook, then you’re just not well informed.
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You're a little late to the party. We all understand what's going on. We just have differing opinions of lockdown. If you think shutting down a bar or gym or school is going to save the world then you're the one who is misinformed.

The chance to "stop" the virus ended back in February.

It really comes down to a problem of scale. Yeah people are dying, but outside that hospital hundreds of thousands/millions of people are going on about their lives.

Also the fear porn of "young and healthy with no medical problems!!!!!!!!" Is commonly used, but literally no one provides data and is contradictory to what we already know and even what the CDC (the ones you guys bow down to) post. We already know the CFR is 0.4-0.6% or if using IFR, even significantly lower.

You seeing 2-3 body bags would be more than your typical sight of 1 or whatever numbers you want to use. Again, all your anecdotes come to personal experience and scale problems. It's a lot to you, but the reality is it's not. Every hospital I've ever worked had contingency plans for increased body burden and they almost always included a refrigerated truck sitting in the parking lot. It's nothing new, but it definitely gets the clicks on CNN.
 
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This sure isn't helping to restore faith in any kind of information distribution...

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White House blocks CDC from testifying on reopening schools next week | CNN Politics

The White House is blocking US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield and other officials from the agency from testifying before a House Education and Labor Committee hearing on reopening schools next week, just as the debate over sending children back to...
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TeddyBoomBoom said:
I just don’t understand the difficulty in understanding what’s going on. I, literally me, personally, in person, have seen numerous otherwise basically healthy ppl go down in flames for Covid-related respiratory failure.
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Anecdotes are not evidence. The numbers do not support your claim.

I have close friends that are watching the refrigerated trucks get overloaded bodies bc the morgues are full.
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We will likely have an increase of ~7% deaths this year from all causes nationwide (3 million instead of 2.8 million)

I don’t have the data in front of me, but iirc the majority (>50%) of ppl in our icu that were intubated due to Covid sxs left in a body bag.
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Have heard as high as 80%, however most of these are advanced age nursing home patients. Nursing home patients accounted for 50% of all deaths nationwide.

I don’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, but if you don’t think things are absolutely f-ing terrible in multiples parts of the US, then you are just completely misinformed. It’s not some “hoax.” If you are getting your news from Fox and Facebook, then you’re just not well informed.
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I don't think one single person on this forum has said it's a hoax. We all agree the virus is serious. Where we disagree is the actions that government has taken to mitigate this.
 
TeddyBoomBoom said:
I just don’t understand the difficulty in understanding what’s going on. I, literally me, personally, in person, have seen numerous otherwise basically healthy ppl go down in flames for Covid-related respiratory failure.

I have close friends that are watching the refrigerated trucks get overloaded bodies bc the morgues are full.

I don’t have the data in front of me, but iirc the majority (>50%) of ppl in our icu that were intubated due to Covid sxs left in a body bag.

I don’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, but if you don’t think things are absolutely f-ing terrible in multiples parts of the US, then you are just completely misinformed. It’s not some “hoax.” If you are getting your news from Fox and Facebook, then you’re just not well informed.
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No one is debating any of this. We all know COVID can be very deadly and has killed over 100,000 in our country. We all know about the body bags and refrigerator trucks. That’s not even the discussion. The discussion is how to move forward despite the fact that COVID exists and is going to continue to exist, indefinitely.
 
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xaelia said:
"...Data for recent weeks are incomplete, and the PIC percentage may increase as more death certificates representing deaths during these weeks are processed."

Sorry to see the previously cited lagging chart is ticking up – and you have to find a laggier one to support an argument for ... ?
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I shared a CDC update, with no words of my own, including the link to the whole document. You read the CDCs words, clicked on the link and read the rest of the document, as intended. You then copied and pasted some of the CDCs words, which I shared, then reposted them. Then you hallucinated some other stuff that wasn't in the CDCs words or my post.

Brilliant.
 
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Birdstrike said:
I shared a CDC update, with no words of my own, including the link to the whole document. You read the CDCs words, clicked on the link and read the rest of the document, as intended. You then copied and pasted some of the CDCs words, which I shared, then reposted them. Then you hallucinated some other stuff that wasn't in the CDCs words or my post.
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I, too, like to post potentially misleading garbage data from a long CDC report, along with a supporting quote, to a thread regarding the societal effects of COVID, then deny there was any purpose to it.
 
TeddyBoomBoom said:
I just don’t understand the difficulty in understanding what’s going on. I, literally me, personally, in person, have seen numerous otherwise basically healthy ppl go down in flames for Covid-related respiratory failure.

I have close friends that are watching the refrigerated trucks get overloaded bodies bc the morgues are full.

I don’t have the data in front of me, but iirc the majority (>50%) of ppl in our icu that were intubated due to Covid sxs left in a body bag.

I don’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, but if you don’t think things are absolutely f-ing terrible in multiples parts of the US, then you are just completely misinformed. It’s not some “hoax.” If you are getting your news from Fox and Facebook, then you’re just not well informed.
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Rekt said:
You're a little late to the party. We all understand what's going on....It's a lot to you, but the reality is it's not...It's nothing new.
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@Rekt By the end of your post you showed that what you claimed at the beginning of your post was not true.
 
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GeneralVeers said:
Anecdotes are not evidence. The numbers do not support your claim.


We will likely have an increase of ~7% deaths this year from all causes nationwide (3 million instead of 2.8 million)


Have heard as high as 80%, however most of these are advanced age nursing home patients. Nursing home patients accounted for 50% of all deaths nationwide.


I don't think one single person on this forum has said it's a hoax. We all agree the virus is serious. Where we disagree is the actions that government has taken to mitigate this.
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I think people like @TeddyBoomBoom feel compelled to report anecdotes because people like you claim that an all cause mortality increase of 7% is not a big deal and @Rekt try to tell him that seeing an ICU half full of a single disease process is "nothing new".

When someone tries to gaslight another and tell them that they don't see what they think they're seeing. "No way, I saw it with my own eyes" is an appropriate response.
 
WilcoWorld said:
I think people like @TeddyBoomBoom feel compelled to report anecdotes because people like you claim that an all cause mortality increase of 7% is not a big deal and @Rekt try to tell him that seeing an ICU half full of a single disease process is "nothing new".

When someone tries to gaslight another and tell them that they don't see what they think they're seeing. "No way, I saw it with my own eyes" is an appropriate response.
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It's all about perspective. Anecdotes are what the news media uses to drive ratings and promote certain policies. In a country of 300 million, big problems need some perspective in order to assess how big the response needs to be. Based one what (a naive medical student) TeddyBoomBoom says, we should should shut down the country, order everyone home and never, ever re-open cuz of anecdotes!
 
WilcoWorld said:
I think people like @TeddyBoomBoom feel compelled to report anecdotes because people like you claim that an all cause mortality increase of 7% is not a big deal and @Rekt try to tell him that seeing an ICU half full of a single disease process is "nothing new".

When someone tries to gaslight another and tell them that they don't see what they think they're seeing. "No way, I saw it with my own eyes" is an appropriate response.
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He actually said that 50% of the people that were intubated with COVID in the ICU died. Not that 50% of his ICU was COVID. Strong work.
 
GeneralVeers said:
It's all about perspective. Anecdotes are what the news media uses to drive ratings and promote certain policies. In a country of 300 million, big problems need some perspective in order to assess how big the response needs to be. Based one what (a naive medical student) TeddyBoomBoom says, we should should shut down the country, order everyone home and never, ever re-open cuz of anecdotes!
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PGY-3 I believe
 
Rekt said:
He actually said that 50% of the people that were intubated with COVID in the ICU died. Not that 50% of his ICU was COVID. Strong work.
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I will acknowledge that I incorrectly paraphrased his quote, thank you for the correction. I might have made that mistake because currently >50% of my MICU is full of COVID patients.
 
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PEDIATRICS Volume 146, number 2, August 2020

"These data all suggest that children are not significant drivers of the COVID-19 pandemic. It is unclear why documented SARS-CoV-2 transmission from children to other children or adults is so infrequent.....Because SARS-CoV-2 infected children are so frequently mildly symptomatic, they may have weaker and less frequent cough, releasing fewer infectious particles into the surrounding environment....Almost 6 months into the pandemic, accumulating evidence and collective experience argue that children, particularly school-aged children, are far less important drivers of SARSCoV-2 transmission than adults. Therefore, serious consideration should be paid toward strategies that allow schools to remain open, even during periods of COVID-19 spread. In doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed or, failing that, until we reach herd immunity."


But schools CANNOT reopen. Cuz SCIENCE!
 
Birdstrike said:
But schools CANNOT reopen. Cuz SCIENCE!
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I'm glad that this incident will at least open the public's eyes to the naked partisanship and greed of the Teacher's unions. We shouldn't have public employee unions period (including police) as it's a conflict of interest, and there's no one who can reign them in.
 
GeneralVeers said:
I'm glad that this incident will at least open the public's eyes to the naked partisanship and greed of the Teacher's unions. We shouldn't have public employee unions period (including police) as it's a conflict of interest, and there's no one who can reign them in.
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But General Veers, it's all about teacher s a f e t y . And the c h i l d r e n .

Obviously:

"NC Teachers' Union Demands Universal Health Care, Welfare for Illegal Immigrants to Reopen Schools" - Washington Free Beacon
 
Birdstrike said:
PEDIATRICS Volume 146, number 2, August 2020

"These data all suggest that children are not significant drivers of the COVID-19 pandemic. It is unclear why documented SARS-CoV-2 transmission from children to other children or adults is so infrequent.....Because SARS-CoV-2 infected children are so frequently mildly symptomatic, they may have weaker and less frequent cough, releasing fewer infectious particles into the surrounding environment....Almost 6 months into the pandemic, accumulating evidence and collective experience argue that children, particularly school-aged children, are far less important drivers of SARSCoV-2 transmission than adults. Therefore, serious consideration should be paid toward strategies that allow schools to remain open, even during periods of COVID-19 spread. In doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed or, failing that, until we reach herd immunity."


But schools CANNOT reopen. Cuz SCIENCE!
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how can they release a paper in a journal dated in the future? It’s not even August 2020 yet. It’s just July.

you got a time machine or something? Quick! Tell me what stock will be 50% higher by the end of August 2020!!!
 
Birdstrike said:
But General Veers, it's all about teacher s a f e t y . And the c h i l d r e n .

Obviously:

"NC Teachers' Union Demands Universal Health Care, Welfare for Illegal Immigrants to Reopen Schools" - Washington Free Beacon
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I'm not familiar with the Free Beacon, but from a brief glance it's a load of crap. No where in the statement from the Durham Association of Educators did they make a demand for those items in return for reopening. Ridiculous.

These are their "demands":
These are our bottom lines:

  1. Staff must not be forced to choose between their health and their job.
  2. We must ensure internet access, a computer, and a good, safe workspace for each student.
  3. We must provide direct academic and social-emotional support to students in safe ways.
  4. Any plan DPS proposes must be adequately funded, fully staffed, and operationally achievable.
  5. DPS staff must work with DAE to craft a plan that achieves each of these bottom lines, and must adopt a plan supported by a majority of school staff
daenc.com

Statement on School Re-Open Plans

Beloved Durham. It is time for us to demand clearly, and in one unified voice, what we need for our precious children to thrive. Educators are being asked to return to in-person instruction, riskin…
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And the reference to the LA teachers union is also FOS, they mention moving funds from the police budget to the education budget to fund PPE, again, not a demand to defund the police before returning to work.

Believe me, I want my kid back into school too, I believe it can be done safely with the appropriate support, but I can't stand bull**** stories like this, it just detracts from the honest conversations that should be held and gets people pissed off on all sides.
 
Birdstrike said:
But General Veers, it's all about teacher s a f e t y . And the c h i l d r e n .

Obviously:

"NC Teachers' Union Demands Universal Health Care, Welfare for Illegal Immigrants to Reopen Schools" - Washington Free Beacon
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Can you provide the source where the DAE has these specific demands for school opening next month?

I read their statement and it says nothing of what you have sited:
daenc.com

Statement on School Re-Open Plans

Beloved Durham. It is time for us to demand clearly, and in one unified voice, what we need for our precious children to thrive. Educators are being asked to return to in-person instruction, riskin…
daenc.com daenc.com

Edit: oops, should've kept scrolling. Looks like Medimike also has the same question.
 
AMEHigh said:
Can you provide the source where the DAE has these specific demands for school opening next month?

I read their statement and it says nothing of what you have sited:
daenc.com

Statement on School Re-Open Plans

Beloved Durham. It is time for us to demand clearly, and in one unified voice, what we need for our precious children to thrive. Educators are being asked to return to in-person instruction, riskin…
daenc.com daenc.com

Edit: oops, should've kept scrolling. Looks like Medimike also has the same question.
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Yeah but your question was phrased much nicer. It's been a rough day.
 
MediMike said:
I'm not familiar with the Free Beacon, but from a brief glance it's a load of crap. No where in the statement from the Durham Association of Educators did they make a demand for those items in return for reopening. Ridiculous.

These are their "demands":
These are our bottom lines:

  1. Staff must not be forced to choose between their health and their job.
  2. We must ensure internet access, a computer, and a good, safe workspace for each student.
  3. We must provide direct academic and social-emotional support to students in safe ways.
  4. Any plan DPS proposes must be adequately funded, fully staffed, and operationally achievable.
  5. DPS staff must work with DAE to craft a plan that achieves each of these bottom lines, and must adopt a plan supported by a majority of school staff
daenc.com

Statement on School Re-Open Plans

Beloved Durham. It is time for us to demand clearly, and in one unified voice, what we need for our precious children to thrive. Educators are being asked to return to in-person instruction, riskin…
daenc.com daenc.com

And the reference to the LA teachers union is also FOS, they mention moving funds from the police budget to the education budget to fund PPE, again, not a demand to defund the police before returning to work.

Believe me, I want my kid back into school too, I believe it can be done safely with the appropriate support, but I can't stand bull**** stories like this, it just detracts from the honest conversations that should be held and gets people pissed off on all sides.
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AMEHigh said:
Can you provide the source where the DAE has these specific demands for school opening next month?

I read their statement and it says nothing of what you have sited:
daenc.com

Statement on School Re-Open Plans

Beloved Durham. It is time for us to demand clearly, and in one unified voice, what we need for our precious children to thrive. Educators are being asked to return to in-person instruction, riskin…
daenc.com daenc.com

Edit: oops, should've kept scrolling. Looks like Medimike also has the same question.
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Their anti-Trump/Devos, anti-business, anti-wealth and radical pro-rent stoppage, cash payments to illegal immigrant demands are right on their website and in the link @AMEHigh posted.
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daenc.com

Statement on School Re-Open Plans

Beloved Durham. It is time for us to demand clearly, and in one unified voice, what we need for our precious children to thrive. Educators are being asked to return to in-person instruction, riskin…
daenc.com daenc.com
 
Birdstrike said:
Their anti-Trump/Devos, anti-business, anti-wealth and radical pro-rent stoppage, cash payments to illegal immigrant demands are right on their website and in the link @AMEHigh posted.
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Statement on School Re-Open Plans

Beloved Durham. It is time for us to demand clearly, and in one unified voice, what we need for our precious children to thrive. Educators are being asked to return to in-person instruction, riskin…
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I read that. Clearly they are a progressive advocacy group. However, nowhere did it say they won’t return to teaching next month unless universal health care or assistance for illegal immigrants are enacted. The article you linked seems to be rather deceitful in saying the teachers are demanding that specifically to return to teaching next month. It’s frustrating when people use not well vetted sources that seem to be misrepresenting people’s words/actions. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
 
“The Trump administration is attempting to block billions of dollars for contact tracing, additional testing and other coronavirus mitigation efforts that would potentially be included in Congress's next coronavirus relief package, officials involved in the negotiations told The Washington Post“

"The administration also wanted to take out billions of dollars that would go to the Pentagon and State Department to allow them to better combat the pandemic both domestically and internationally, the Post reports."

If this is true, what is their explanation for this? It says even some GOP members are not in agreement with this, so wondering what’s the reasoning here.

thehill.com

Trump administration seeking to block funding for CDC, contact tracing and testing in new relief bill: report

The Trump administration is attempting to block billions of dollars for contact tracing, additional testing and other coronavirus mitigation efforts that would potentially be included in Congr…
thehill.com
 
AMEHigh said:
I read that. Clearly they are a progressive advocacy group. However, nowhere did it say they won’t return to teaching next month unless universal health care or assistance for illegal immigrants are enacted.
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If political goals that have nothing to do what’s best for the children weren’t part of they’re school reopen decision, I think they would have left them out of their School Reopen Statement. But technically, you’re right. They didn’t phrase them as an absolute “demand.” But they put them in here for a reason.
 
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turkeyjerky said:
Exactly! Let's add a massive internal injection of bleach and UV light while we're at it.
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First make everyone put on a mask and sanitize. Then add Vitamin D, zinc, bleach, UV light, your steroid of choice and a #GeorgeFloydProtest sign. That should cover all our bases and inactivate the virus, for all.
 
Birdstrike said:
PEDIATRICS Volume 146, number 2, August 2020

"These data all suggest that children are not significant drivers of the COVID-19 pandemic. It is unclear why documented SARS-CoV-2 transmission from children to other children or adults is so infrequent.....Because SARS-CoV-2 infected children are so frequently mildly symptomatic, they may have weaker and less frequent cough, releasing fewer infectious particles into the surrounding environment....Almost 6 months into the pandemic, accumulating evidence and collective experience argue that children, particularly school-aged children, are far less important drivers of SARSCoV-2 transmission than adults. Therefore, serious consideration should be paid toward strategies that allow schools to remain open, even during periods of COVID-19 spread. In doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed or, failing that, until we reach herd immunity."


But schools CANNOT reopen. Cuz SCIENCE!
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Why are you quoting an opinion article that was accepted for publication in March?

The latest contact tracing data from 10k households in SK shows that kids are as infectious as anyone under 40: Contact Tracing during Coronavirus Disease Outbreak, South Korea, 2020
 
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