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yea good question, I'd like to know too. I just sent in the paper order form with a check. It says like 10 days to ship plus 5-6 days to ship which seems like a long time for the huge shipping cost (22 dollars)
 
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Sjs1234 said:
yea good question, I'd like to know too. I just sent in the paper order form with a check. It says like 10 days to ship plus 5-6 days to ship which seems like a long time for the huge shipping cost (22 dollars)
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It would have been better if you had used money order. I ordered the BR using a check, never got it. I had to reorder using money order and I got it in about 10 days
 
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I ordered mine with a check and it took like 3 weeks almost...I heard money order is a better option.
 
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I sent in a money order, maybe 3 days later I get emailed saying they got my payment, and less than a week after that I had my books. Sad thing was not all of the books were the newest edition, I'd say a third were the older 2009s with black binding. Good materials nonetheless.
 
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madllama said:
I sent in a money order, maybe 3 days later I get emailed saying they got my payment, and less than a week after that I had my books. Sad thing was not all of the books were the newest edition, I'd say a third were the older 2009s with black binding. Good materials nonetheless.
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me too (physics was old)
 
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Is there anything I can do? I already sent in the check and the order form but I'd like to get the materials as fast as possible...I didn't know money order was so much quicker. Think I can do something about it?
 
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Yea me too, I sent my check in last week and I am still waiting for the email confirmation. I have been emailing and leaving them voice mail so I hope they don't find me too annoying.
 
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screw 'em if they get annoyed, they should've at least been somewhat available during this time. Everyone's waiting on orders and last minute ordering, and this is pretty terrible customer service. I want to order the CBTs and i tried calling them a couple times and no response, and so im thinking about just sending the orderform w/ the credit card info and hope that by the first week of jan i have access to those 7 tests.

anyone that might be affiliated with Berkeley Review- please get someone to call your customers back.
 
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MT2MD said:
Yea me too, I sent my check in last week and I am still waiting for the email confirmation. I have been emailing and leaving them voice mail so I hope they don't find me too annoying.
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Yea exactly the same here man. I really hope they don't "forget" like what happened to demayette. I didn't think this was going to be an issue until I saw this thread...
 
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For those who have ordered by money order, for the CBT exams, I am happy to inform you that I got my confirm email yesterday afternoon. I mailed the check exactly a week earlier. This is a good timeframe, I would add a few days, so say 1.5 weeks before you could be suspicious.
 
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Did you mail a check or a money order? They are torturing us neurotic pre-med 😡
 
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  1. Credit card [Materials are shipped within 2 business days after we receive your order. A convenience fee applies.]
  2. Personal checks [Materials are shipped 10 business days after we receive your order.]
  3. Money orders [Materials are shipped within 2 business days after we receive your order.]
  4. Cashier's checks [Materials are shipped within 2 business days after we receive your order.]

This was not updated before I send them the check. I am very very depressed now 🙁🙁🙁
 
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i nearly spit out my drink reading the word horrid. first time i laughed all day (bio passages, yeah), great use of the word.
 
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BR cashed the check already on Monday so I am hoping that I will be the books next week.
 
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I sent my check into them over a week ago, and I haven't even received an e-mail back from them...should I be concerned, or is this normal
 
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Do you know if they cashed your check yet? If they did, you should be getting it eventually? I mean, it means that they got our order and money.
 
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I was curious of this also as I mailed my money order over two weeks ago. I called last week and left a message with them and they never returned my call. Additionally, I haven't received an email saying the payment arrived. Now I am worried they didn't get it!
 
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Same thing happened to me. I sent in a money order about 11 days ago. I called and they never picked up and never called me back after leaving a message. I'm hoping they received the payment......
 
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MT2MD said:
Do you know if they cashed your check yet? If they did, you should be getting it eventually? I mean, it means that they got our order and money.
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I just checked, and they haven't cashed the check yet. I think its been a week and a half now...ugh
 
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TBR just called me back today. It looks like they've been closed much more often lately because of the holidays so they're a little slow. It looks like they're getting on track now so everyone who sent their payments out about 2 weeks ago hopefully should be hearing something soon! goodluck!
 
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Sorry guys, long time no post for me. I finally received an e-mail from TBR this morning saying my books were FedExed late yesterday and I should get them next Monday (Jan. 11th).

Hope everyone gets theirs soon too, that's a long time to have waited!
 
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guitarguy23 said:
Sorry guys, long time no post for me. I finally received an e-mail from TBR this morning saying my books were FedExed late yesterday and I should get them next Monday (Jan. 11th).

Hope everyone gets theirs soon too, that's a long time to have waited!
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Wow I STILL haven't gotten an e-mail! It's been forever!! Ahhhh
 
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I sent out a money order for my materials on December 22, and I received an email from BR yesterday saying that my books were shipped and should arrive in my hands by January 9.
 
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whiteshadodw said:
i hope TBR is worth it. i'm finding EK extremely annoying, apparently 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene is not benzene.
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I have found EK to be great in some respects but they do seem to have a large number of errors in their books and it can become quite frustrating and annoying, especially when you KNOW that your answer is right.
 
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whiteshadodw said:
i hope TBR is worth it. i'm finding EK extremely annoying, apparently 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene is not benzene.
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What? How do they figure that 1,3,5-hexatriene is not benzene. That's what was so frustrating about EK. On some questions they try so hard to be tricky (unrealistically tricky) and they fall for their own trick and post wrong answers. I know all the materials have some hard and tricky questions, but EK's seemed cocky like the author was trying to show the he or she was smarter than you. At least with PR and BR the tricky questions came with a helpful answer explaining it was a trick.

You'll love BR so much more than EK if things like 1,3,5-hexatriene bother you.
 
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Malayna said:
What? How do they figure that 1,3,5-hexatriene is not benzene. That's what was so frustrating about EK. On some questions they try so hard to be tricky (unrealistically tricky) and they fall for their own trick and post wrong answers. I know all the materials have some hard and tricky questions, but EK's seemed cocky like the author was trying to show the he or she was smarter than you. At least with PR and BR the tricky questions came with a helpful answer explaining it was a trick.

You'll love BR so much more than EK if things like 1,3,5-hexatriene bother you.
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I've gotten the same feeling from EK, he needs the reader to think that he's smart.

BR cashed my check 3 days ago and no email here.
 
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Malayna said:
What? How do they figure that 1,3,5-hexatriene is not benzene. That's what was so frustrating about EK. On some questions they try so hard to be tricky (unrealistically tricky) and they fall for their own trick and post wrong answers. I know all the materials have some hard and tricky questions, but EK's seemed cocky like the author was trying to show the he or she was smarter than you. At least with PR and BR the tricky questions came with a helpful answer explaining it was a trick.

You'll love BR so much more than EK if things like 1,3,5-hexatriene bother you.
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from my understanding mr jonathan orsay has never taken these classes... also, through some research that my friends and i did, we found that 1,3,5,-hexatriene is NOT benzene, there are some subtleties. orsay is trying to make a point about benzene and its aromaticity but its not worded very well. also, in EK ochem, they have a rule for determining aromaticity, but they leave out some important stuff that i remembered from my ochem lecture ie, every ring atom must be sp2 hybridized. leaving that particular information out makes me feel VERY weary about EK. i'd say ~95% of their stuff is really good review, but they leave you feeling uncertain and that's not a feeling you want going into the MCAT. with that said, i immediately sent my money order in yesterday, i'm excited for TBR books and hope they live up to the hype.
 
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whiteshadodw said:
from my understanding mr jonathan orsay has never taken these classes... also, through some research that my friends and i did, we found that 1,3,5,-hexatriene is NOT benzene, there are some subtleties. orsay is trying to make a point about benzene and its aromaticity but its not worded very well. also, in EK ochem, they have a rule for determining aromaticity, but they leave out some important stuff that i remembered from my ochem lecture ie, every ring atom must be sp2 hybridized. leaving that particular information out makes me feel VERY weary about EK. i'd say ~95% of their stuff is really good review, but they leave you feeling uncertain and that's not a feeling you want going into the MCAT. with that said, i immediately sent my money order in yesterday, i'm excited for TBR books and hope they live up to the hype.
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I got this from google and it seems that it is indeed not aromatic.

1,3,5-Hexatriene: This molecule does not have a closed loop of p z orbitals, so it cannot be aromatic.

Benzene: All three pi bonds lie within a six-membered ring. Each atom of this ring is sp2, forming a continuous overlapping loop of p z orbitals. Torsional strain does not prevent this molecule from being planar. It has six pi electrons (4n + 2 = 6; n = 1; the most common case). Therefore benzene is predicted to be aromatic.
 
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tima said:
I got this from google and it seems that it is indeed not aromatic.

1,3,5-Hexatriene: This molecule does not have a closed loop of p z orbitals, so it cannot be aromatic.

Benzene: All three pi bonds lie within a six-membered ring. Each atom of this ring is sp2, forming a continuous overlapping loop of p z orbitals. Torsional strain does not prevent this molecule from being planar. It has six pi electrons (4n + 2 = 6; n = 1; the most common case). Therefore benzene is predicted to be aromatic.
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yeah you're right, but i mistyped it, EK puts 1,3,5-CYCLOhexatriene. 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene looks exactly like benzene except it doesn't behave like benzene. 1,3,5-hexatriene is a straight chain and doesn't even look similar to benzene. in fact, my GF had to tell me what the author was trying to say.

on a side note, i just bought EK bio 1001 and physics 1001 from amazon for $45 w/prime shipping it should be here by friday. hurry up TBR!
 
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whiteshadodw said:
yeah you're right, but i mistyped it, EK puts 1,3,5-CYCLOhexatriene. 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene looks exactly like benzene except it doesn't behave like benzene. 1,3,5-hexatriene is a straight chain and doesn't even look similar to benzene. in fact, my GF had to tell me what the author was trying to say.

on a side note, i just bought EK bio 1001 and physics 1001 from amazon for $45 w/prime shipping it should be here by friday. hurry up TBR!
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I missed your earlier posts. But, 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene might be one of those exceptions. Problem 10.1 states 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene has alternatng bond lengths and not the intermediate bond lengths as seen in benzenes. Maybe, that is why they said that, but who knows. LOL.


http://books.google.com/books?id=vSXcm2EIYToC&pg=PA190&lpg=PA190&dq=1,3,5-cyclohexatriene&source=bl&ots=NlBWPusFi2&sig=47lZGuJUMcKQ62U8yOWdazIea28&hl=en&ei=Y_xES52FD4q8lAfTnfGkBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBsQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=1%2C3%2C5-cyclohexatriene&f=false
 
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tima said:
I missed your earlier posts. But, 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene might be one of those exceptions. Problem 10.1 states 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene has alternatng bond lengths and not the intermediate bond lengths as seen in benzenes. Maybe, that is why they said that, but who knows. LOL.


http://books.google.com/books?id=vSXcm2EIYToC&pg=PA190&lpg=PA190&dq=1,3,5-cyclohexatriene&source=bl&ots=NlBWPusFi2&sig=47lZGuJUMcKQ62U8yOWdazIea28&hl=en&ei=Y_xES52FD4q8lAfTnfGkBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBsQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=1%2C3%2C5-cyclohexatriene&f=false
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yep, that's exactly the point they were trying to make, i think. except i don't think the author fully understands this. like i said, i think aromaticity in EK ochem is weak.
 
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I sent my cashier's check on Monday, 1/4.

BR received it on 1/6 and got an email that it's already shipped.
 
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tima said:
I sent my cashier's check on Monday, 1/4.

BR received it on 1/6 and got an email that it's already shipped.
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🙂 that's great news. sent payment in yesterday (from phx), i'm guessing they will get it tomorrow then and they'll be shipping it tomorrow as well. so it could be here as early as next wed/thursday then.
 
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ok wow, its almost been three weeks since i sent my check in. i e-mailed, no response. called, no response. whats goin on here....i need to study!
 
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Sjs1234 said:
Yea exactly the same here man. I really hope they don't "forget" like what happened to demayette. I didn't think this was going to be an issue until I saw this thread...
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BR customer service SUCKS. I remember that I talked to a guy two weeks after I sent my check, the guy told me that he gonna find out what happen and will call me the next day. I waited for three days, he never call me. Then I call again and I got the same guy, the di... head said to me I remember that I talked to you 3 days ago... he tell me again the same thing" I will call you" and never called me... After a month, I was so desperate, I had to send them a money order , then I got the books in about 10 day. Still dont know what happen to the check... It has never been cashed. Never been returned to me. DO NOT USE CHECKS TO ORDER THE BR.
 
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I got mine the same day, but that's because I was able to go into the LA office directly. If you have a family member or friend in LA or Berkeley, then maybe they can get them and ship them to you.

I know it sucks to have them delayed so much, but it seems like distance is playing a factor too. People from the west coast get them fast (less than a week from what it sounds like) and people from the east coast seem to take longer (ten days to two weeks it sounds like). There must be something to that.
 
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whiteshadodw said:
from my understanding mr jonathan orsay has never taken these classes... also, through some research that my friends and i did, we found that 1,3,5,-hexatriene is NOT benzene, there are some subtleties. orsay is trying to make a point about benzene and its aromaticity but its not worded very well. also, in EK ochem, they have a rule for determining aromaticity, but they leave out some important stuff that i remembered from my ochem lecture ie, every ring atom must be sp2 hybridized. leaving that particular information out makes me feel VERY weary about EK. i'd say ~95% of their stuff is really good review, but they leave you feeling uncertain and that's not a feeling you want going into the MCAT. with that said, i immediately sent my money order in yesterday, i'm excited for TBR books and hope they live up to the hype.
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I think the EK author often didn't really have an in depth knowledge about the material, which explains the short answers and missing points here and there.

As for 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene, it doesn't exist. It is a theoretical molecule used to compared to benzene. It's basically a calculated structure based on heats of hydrogenation of what benzene would generate if it were not aromatic. Basically it's benzene, if benzene wasn't aromatic. I think that is one of those typical BS things you see with EK. Maybe it's the author trying to show how smart he is or maybe it's just the author pilfering a cool topic and changing the wording to make it his own, without really getting the concept completely. Either way, I still like EK for some things.

Here's what I found on line for it:

"The geometry and energy of 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene, the reference molecule for the determination of the extra stabilization of benzene, have been calculated using an Ab Initio Valence Bond method. The theoretical resonance energy, according to Dewar, calculated as the energy difference between two-structure benzene and single-structure 1,3,5-cyclohexatriene, both with completely optimized geometries and orbitals, is only −12.05 kcal/mol. Resonance energies of −25.37 (local orbitals), −19.82 (delocal orbitals) and −44.13 (breathing orbitals) kcal/mol are found using the Pauling definition. The concept of the vertical resonance energy, however, is proven to be not tenable beyond a minimal basis."

Ab Initio = make believe so some computer geek can get a chemistry degree.
 
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demayette said:
BR customer service SUCKS. I remember that I talked to a guy two weeks after I sent my check, the guy told me that he gonna find out what happen and will call me the next day. I waited for three days, he never call me. Then I call again and I got the same guy, the di... head said to me I remember that I talked to you 3 days ago... he tell me again the same thing" I will call you" and never called me... After a month, I was so desperate, I had to send them a money order , then I got the books in about 10 day. Still dont know what happen to the check... It has never been cashed. Never been returned to me. DO NOT USE CHECKS TO ORDER THE BR.
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yea well i can't send in a money order cause the check has been cashed. but still this is crazy
 
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I am ordering TBK tommorow...well actually today. I am getting general chemistry I/II and physics I/II. I am using a money order... I am kind of worried about sending a money order via snail mail :scared:. Thanks goodness I am getting my books for this upcoming summer so I am not really worried about when it will get here.
 
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I sent in a cashier check about 2 weeks ago and have not received any word or confirmation on my order via email. I tried calling them, but that has not worked yet. Should I be worried? Or should I just keep playing this stupid waiting game?

I am getting frustrated 😡
 
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I sent in a check. it took 3 weeks to a month to get the books. i mailed it saturday, usps said it should get there on wednesday. check showed up in my account the next monday. That thursday was thanksgiving. received email from TBR the next monday or tuesday that the books have been shipped via fedex and they should get here thursday, either that thursday or the next thursday ( i think it was the next thursday) and the books arrived as stated.

If your check wasn't cashed, i have a feeling they didn't get it. My bank is an eastcoast bank so i knew it'll take about 3 days to show up here and it did. i never had to call their customer service.
honestly, if i lived in california, i'd walk directly to their office, get a bunch of those books and retail them on ebay. They do sell for whole lot more there...

If u know someone in cali, get them to buy the books and mail them to u. You'll save on shipping. USPS Media mail from california takes 7-9 days to hit the east coast, based on my personal experience. And it'll cost u a fraction of the price.
 
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