how many got in with 2.8 GPA and DAT 19

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klutzy1987 said:
There is a little grade inflation, but as a whole I highly doubt that people inflate their GPA's. The DAT scores are usually the ones that are faked. In case you are accusing me I will prove to you that I didnt inflate anything.
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haha nice Lotus Notes Elioit Lutz.
 
Its great to here all the response. Some was disappointing and some were great but as I seen that even those that have high GPA do not get in right away because some do not have the background. I know from friends that even if you have a high gpa does not mean you will finish dental school. Reason, our that they have not dealt with adversity and when adversity is presented to them they crumble down like a old house. Also remember that in dental school everyone have a fresh start and I might be the 3.9 and you the 2.8. So until you get in then you can say that you are better, but what really counts is getting in and it does not matter where because we will be all doing the same things. :laugh::laugh:
 
Lotus Notes is awesome, on it right now at work 🙂
 
klutzy1987 said:
There is a little grade inflation, but as a whole I highly doubt that people inflate their GPA's. The DAT scores are usually the ones that are faked. In case you are accusing me I will prove to you that I didnt inflate anything.
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no1 accused you, and dont flatter yourself by thinking they did. lol

also, you reported the higher of the two numbers, isn't that a way of inflating? a conservative approach would be to pick the lower of the two numbers because no1 really knows which number they look at.
 
Contach said:
no1 accused you, and dont flatter yourself by thinking they did. lol

also, you reported the higher of the two numbers, isn't that a way of inflating? a conservative approach would be to pick the lower of the two numbers because no1 really knows which number they look at.
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Whadya mean the higher of the two numbers??? I reported both numbers.
 
K nerds. They look at the Science GPA then consider overall GPA. That is the what they do and the logical thing to do because you can have someone in MUSIC with a 4.0 but the bare minimum science courses. How can you compare a 4.0 student in music to a 4.0 student in engineering? They use SCIENCE first, then they look OVERALL, thats how majority of the schools do it.

In Klutzy's case, he has over 4.0 in both. They are not gonna use his 4.09 and compare to someone else's 4.07 and be like hmmm, the 4.09 is higher so we'll take him.
Plus contach, his sci gpa and regular gpa differ by 0.05...., this argument is almost as pathetic as comparing penis sizes.

This is the take home message. Those with a gpa of greater than 3.9 go in the same pile as those in 4.0's and greater. Once you get into that range 3.9 and 4.0 become indifferent.
 
W/e the case is, I highly doub that people inflate their GPA by a couple of points. Who cares A 3.7 or 3.8 are basically the same thing and both will get you accepted to dental school. The only place where there is maybe a little inflation is DAT scores and even there i dont really think it is very prevallent.
 
klutzy1987 said:
W/e the case is, I highly doub that people inflate their GPA by a couple of points. Who cares A 3.7 or 3.8 are basically the same thing and both will get you accepted to dental school. The only place where there is maybe a little inflation is DAT scores and even there i dont really think it is very prevallent.
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I would never let you work for me. Either you job is really chill, or you are getting paid to be on SDN. LOL. 😉 I am waiting for my 15 minute replications for my experiment, that's why I am on here haha.
 
misstoothfairy said:
I think you are ******ed. No one is feeling sorry for any minority. There should be no such thing. So low stats should consider another career? Listen, stats may not necessarily mean you are going to be a good dentist. Undergrad GPA will differ from your Dental school GPA. You can be higher, lower. Please re-up this post if you're getting 3.93 in dental school and make me shut up. Don't tell people to consider another career, your attitude is garbage. Don't give them false hope either. What you should do is go spread the word to all the other hispanic/latinos not in school to go to school, so they can not be considered "minorities", instead of doing whatever else they are doing. Whatever it is, its not school. Maybe the person with the lower GPA and stats has a different motivation, to serve the underrepresented minorities. You used to be poor, how do I know your motivation isn't to be rich and you are choosing this career for those reasons? We don't need any more of those thx.
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wow i so agree with you, however why is Howard and Meharry have over 50% "underrepresented minorities" with their average gpa 3.0 and DAT 17/16?? And I see "minority" students getting interviews with waaaay lower stats and similar ECs. Is that fair? Who is a minority anymore? America has elected a "minority" president, didnt we? I'm starting to feel like a minority living here in SF!!!:laugh:
 
misstoothfairy said:
I would never let you work for me. Either you job is really chill, or you are getting paid to be on SDN. LOL. 😉 I am waiting for my 15 minute replications for my experiment, that's why I am on here haha.
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I love my "job", I work at an investment bank in the expense department and I get paid 9-5 even though I only have like 2 hours worth of work. I am very bored at times and I am on SDN all day simply because I have no work to do.
 
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anatty said:
^^Uh, why do you care so much if ppl are accusing you of inflating scores?
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Why are you getting so offended? I wasn't accusing any specific person of inflating their grades/dat score...but I do see a large number of people with really high scores on the dat.
 
hey man,
If that was your first time taking the DAT, take it again. If not, you should, like everyone else says, go to a postbac or masters. I think you can get in the low or even mid-20s easily if you put time into it. Unlike most exams, this test is a joke compared to the MCAT, which I never took.
 
shinbone86 said:
hey man,
If that was your first time taking the DAT, take it again. If not, you should, like everyone else says, go to a postbac or masters. I think you can get in the low or even mid-20s easily if you put time into it. Unlike most exams, this test is a joke compared to the MCAT, which I never took.
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here we go..

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klutzy1987 said:
This is so absurrd its funny. Look at predents. There are no applicants that have a GPA below 2.9 and a DAT 20 or below that have gotten an interview. As a fact, there are many more applicants than spots and even the "lower tier schools" can be picky and take applicants with better grades. Unfortuantely a 2.8 GPA is probably in the 30%ile of applicants and probably in the 5%ile of acceptances. Now when you couple that with a 19 AA which is not great either I dont see much hope. Call me a jerk or whaever you want but I am being realistic. The scores have gotten much better in the past couple of years and there are tice as many applicants as 2-3 years ago. The competition is more fierce and you need above average stats to get in.
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Yeah I can see that you're being realistic and all but you can't go on saying 'ZERO' chance and stuff either right. I guess you just fit the whole 4.0, student trying to offer 'words of wisdom'.
 
misstoothfairy said:
I think you are ******ed. No one is feeling sorry for any minority. There should be no such thing. So low stats should consider another career? Listen, stats may not necessarily mean you are going to be a good dentist. Undergrad GPA will differ from your Dental school GPA. You can be higher, lower. Please re-up this post if you're getting 3.93 in dental school and make me shut up. Don't tell people to consider another career, your attitude is garbage. Don't give them false hope either. What you should do is go spread the word to all the other hispanic/latinos not in school to go to school, so they can not be considered "minorities", instead of doing whatever else they are doing. Whatever it is, its not school. Maybe the person with the lower GPA and stats has a different motivation, to serve the underrepresented minorities. You used to be poor, how do I know your motivation isn't to be rich and you are choosing this career for those reasons? We don't need any more of those thx.
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I don't think you have a right to label anyone '******ed', that's just rude. Yeah this guy's pretty extreme but I just have a problem with people using that word
 
While GPA obviously has to be a main factor, a lot of people here seem to overlook the competitiveness of the undergraduate school. Dental schools can't keep track of every single school in the country and analyze them for grade inflation. For this reason, some schools such as UoP and Columbia favor DAT over GPA. Before people nitpick between choosing which GPA from AADSAS, I think they should take a sec and check schools. SDN clearly represents a more competitive group of applicants than the total applicant pool, although I'm sure there are people here who have inflated their GPA.

Personally, I'm much more annoyed seeing 3.9+ applicants with DAT scores below 21, or 3.5+ applicants below 20 because I think this is a pretty obvious indication of class difficulty as an undergrad. Given, some people don't study for their DATs as much as others, but if you worked "hard" enough to get a 3.9+, you should have the work ethic to study for such an important test.
 
AggieDDS said:
Why are you getting so offended? I wasn't accusing any specific person of inflating their grades/dat score...but I do see a large number of people with really high scores on the dat.
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I think you quoted the wrong person, lol. I'm not offended my anyone since no one would accuse me of inflating my scores since they are not that high (well not my GPA anyways...)
 
Woops, my bad. The "why are you getting so offended?" thing was what I agreed with in your post. Contach and northside seemed pretty offended.
 
Offended? Not at all... I was just curious as to how you came up with the idea that ppl's scores were inflated.

AggieDDS said:
Woops, my bad. The "why are you getting so offended?" thing was what I agreed with in your post. Contach and northside seemed pretty offended.
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Ninster said:
Yeah I can see that you're being realistic and all but you can't go on saying 'ZERO' chance and stuff either right. I guess you just fit the whole 4.0, student trying to offer 'words of wisdom'.
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The OP posted this thread because he needed help, not because he wanted encouragement. Even though you me and everyone else may want to say oh these scores are great and you will not have much trouble getting in, the bottom line is that doing this will not help the OP much. He needs realistuic advise and the truth is that these scores will likely not get you into school unless you are a minority and applying to howard/meharry.
 
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a1pha said:
While GPA obviously has to be a main factor, a lot of people here seem to overlook the competitiveness of the undergraduate school. Dental schools can't keep track of every single school in the country and analyze them for grade inflation. For this reason, some schools such as UoP and Columbia favor DAT over GPA. Before people nitpick between choosing which GPA from AADSAS, I think they should take a sec and check schools. SDN clearly represents a more competitive group of applicants than the total applicant pool, although I'm sure there are people here who have inflated their GPA.

Personally, I'm much more annoyed seeing 3.9+ applicants with DAT scores below 21, or 3.5+ applicants below 20 because I think this is a pretty obvious indication of class difficulty as an undergrad. Given, some people don't study for their DATs as much as others, but if you worked "hard" enough to get a 3.9+, you should have the work ethic to study for such an important test.
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Very well put. I completely agree.
 
mx6power said:
Hi I was just wondering how many people have got into dental school with a 2.80 GPA in Science and a 19 average in DAT? The reason I am asking is that I am in the same boat and wanted to know what percentage got in, for me to have a chance.

I know that there are other things that are consider too.

help 😎
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Hey there Mx6 Power. I wouldn't rely on chance to get into dental school. With a 2.8, your not far off from 3.0. If you can take 2 semesters + 1 summer of ALL upper level science courses and achieve no less than a 78%, AND retake your dat to 21+ you will be a much more competitive applicant and grab a few interviews. The interviews are all up to you. At this point, I would schedule the DAT for 6 weeks away and study your balls off every day to get that 21. Thats the quickest way so far to improve your application.
 
artanis said:
hey there mx6 power. I wouldn't rely on chance to get into dental school. With a 2.8, your not far off from 3.0. If you can take 2 semesters + 1 summer of all upper level science courses and achieve no less than a 78%, and retake your dat to 21+ you will be a much more competitive applicant and grab a few interviews. The interviews are all up to you. At this point, i would schedule the dat for 6 weeks away and study your balls off every day to get that 21. Thats the quickest way so far to improve your application.
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78%?!!?
 
klutzy dude yeah of course you wanna be realistic but at the same time still has a chance and not out of the game. if he has good ECs, personal statement, essays he has a shot i know people with low stats that have gotten in. maybe he/she went to a hard undergrad i'm curious where you went? the point is don't straight up tell them they have no shot even you know you've seen low statters get in. a post bac would be a great idea, but dont them they have 0 percent shot that's just messed up and dumb.
 
Dr.Clippers said:
klutzy dude yeah of course you wanna be realistic but at the same time still has a chance and not out of the game. if he has good ECs, personal statement, essays he has a shot i know people with low stats that have gotten in. maybe he/she went to a hard undergrad i'm curious where you went? the point is don't straight up tell them they have no shot even you know you've seen low statters get in. a post bac would be a great idea, but dont them they have 0 percent shot that's just messed up and dumb.
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Check out predents, there is noone that got it with a GPA of lower than 2.9 and a DAT lower or equal to 20. Thats not an oppinion, thats fact. In fact there are only 6 people that have gotten in in the last 3 years with such stats and standards have risen in the last 3 years. I dont think its worth the money and angst. If you dont like the word zero I would say there is a .1%
 
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And what percent of applicants are on predents? I bet a large majority use it, but surely it doesn't account for all applicants. I'm applying this cycle and I don't have it...
 
And on top of that…just because a large majority uses it doesn’t make it 100% fact. We already talked about number inflation. Hell I saw a predent with a -7 DAT, 80’some years old, and majored in underwater basketweaving. I’m not saying it isn’t helpful, I look at it from time to time, but referring to it as fact, and citing it as a rock solid credible source based on what applicants themselves type in is laughable.
 
Underwater basketweaving?? Heck...if only my undergrad offered that. My application would've stood out for sure!
 
haha ughh a lot of people use predents, but imsure a lot of people don't use it. i know a grip of people who just look at it, dont make profiles b/c they're lazy, etc. It's like SDN there are a lot of people on it, but there are only some who decide to register, post, etc.
Just stop klutzy, that was a terrible argument. I'm not pissed off at you, but just think a little more when you type.
 
ok seriously, predents is a great site but just like SDN it doesn't represent a majority of predents out there same way as SDN is filled with people who have high stats. So, Klutzy don't rely on this 2 much. For every person like you there are 100s' of predents with low stats and GPAs below 3.2 that somehow end up getting into dental schools.

Just as an example I have a friend with with below 3,2 science and a 15 in Bio with an overall AA of 19 ( i think he had a high QR lol) who got 2 interviews and now is a 2nd year Dental Student. He was WL of course but at the end he got in. So to the OP 2.8 might be 2 low to get you in, but you def' have a shot and don't believe all the things you read here. My advice to the OP if you know a dentist who you have shadowed or who taught in a dental school talk to him and see if he can recommend you into a dental school. Or, at least make someone there to give you a second look. If you don't have the grades try to use connections 🙂 gluck
 
I have some experience with DS admissions. I got in, and now I'm on adcom. The bottom line is that your stats will not make you competitive. You must make yourself competitive in other ways. You should have an amazing personal statement. You should have a huge number of observation hours. You need an extremely strong understanding of the profession and your reasons for wanting to enter it.
 
ou_jay said:
I have some experience with DS admissions. I got in, and now I'm on adcom. The bottom line is that your stats will not make you competitive. You must make yourself competitive in other ways. You should have an amazing personal statement. You should have a huge number of observation hours. You need an extremely strong understanding of the profession and your reasons for wanting to enter it.
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AHH so glad to hear it's not ALL numbers ALL the time. Granted, they're important. But were not all just numbers on paper.
 
ou_jay said:
I have some experience with DS admissions. I got in, and now I'm on adcom. The bottom line is that your stats will not make you competitive. You must make yourself competitive in other ways. You should have an amazing personal statement. You should have a huge number of observation hours. You need an extremely strong understanding of the profession and your reasons for wanting to enter it.
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Comforting post but many people may qualify for what you stated. But in the end, if the numbers aren't there, then its game over
 
mx6power said:
Hi I was just wondering how many people have got into dental school with a 2.80 GPA in Science and a 19 average in DAT? The reason I am asking is that I am in the same boat and wanted to know what percentage got in, for me to have a chance.

I know that there are other things that are consider too.

help 😎
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GPA- Under 3.0 (part of the Under 3.0 thread)
DAT- 20/21

And I'm in dental school

-M
 
klutzy1987 said:
There is a little grade inflation, but as a whole I highly doubt that people inflate their GPA's. The DAT scores are usually the ones that are faked. In case you are accusing me I will prove to you that I didnt inflate anything.
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unnecessary
 
IMO a 2.8 with a 19 is possible..but has a very small chance, but possible.

Also I think predents.com generally represents the more bright/smarter applicants. Doesn't NYU accept like 500 people? There's bound to be a handful of 2.8s and 19s
 
yakuza said:
IMO a 2.8 with a 19 is possible..but has a very small chance, but possible.

Also I think predents.com generally represents the more bright/smarter applicants. Doesn't NYU accept like 500 people? There's bound to be a handful of 2.8s and 19s
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I would say there are a handful of 2.8's howeevr IMO they would probably have above average DAT scores.
 
mx6power said:
Hi I was just wondering how many people have got into dental school with a 2.80 GPA in Science and a 19 average in DAT? The reason I am asking is that I am in the same boat and wanted to know what percentage got in, for me to have a chance.

I know that there are other things that are consider too.

help 😎
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To answer your question, yes you have a chance. The exact probability?

It depends on which schools you are applying to. Some schools have GPA ranges of 3.1 - 4.0 so obviously at those schools you have no chance. Good luck though, if you can get a 22 on your DAT, you have a legit chance.
 
Dr.Clippers said:
haha ughh a lot of people use predents, but imsure a lot of people don't use it. i know a grip of people who just look at it, dont make profiles b/c they're lazy, etc. It's like SDN there are a lot of people on it, but there are only some who decide to register, post, etc.
Just stop klutzy, that was a terrible argument. I'm not pissed off at you, but just think a little more when you type.
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Im not sure why I am taking so much heat here, sure id love to be nice and say you have a great shot expect a bunch of interviews, but in reality thats not the case. I have a friend who has a 3.8 GPA and a 19 and so far he has received 3 interviews out of 12 schools and he has excellent EC/ personal Statement. In a perfect world everyone that wanted to be a dentist would get the chance to go to school and prove that they are qualified, however there is a DAT in place and stupid as it, together with GPA, is used to determine whether you will be able to handle dental school. IMO its is more of a hope/dream than a realistic shot to get accepted with a 2.8/19. You may disagree, idk on what basis or what factual backing if any, but that is my "opinion."
 
klutzy1987 said:
Im not sure why I am taking so much heat here, sure id love to be nice and say you have a great shot expect a bunch of interviews, but in reality thats not the case. I have a friend who has a 3.8 GPA and a 19 and so far he has received 3 interviews out of 12 schools and he has excellent EC/ personal Statement. In a perfect world everyone that wanted to be a dentist would get the chance to go to school and prove that they are qualified, however there is a DAT in place and stupid as it, together with GPA, is used to determine whether you will be able to handle dental school. IMO its is more of a hope/dream than a realistic shot to get accepted with a 2.8/19. You may disagree, idk on what basis or what factual backing if any, but that is my "opinion."
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We have all seen Klutzy give both motivation and realistic responses throughout these threads. The truth is... getting in with a 2.8 and 19 DAT is difficult.. but not impossible. Exactly what Klutzy is saying..

But everyone (like myself) without amazing GPAs can't lose hope... because SDN and predents does NOT represent the majority of applicants. So don't listen to everyone who has a 4.0 and 20+ DAT... but be realistic also.

I don't think anyone here is trying to put anyone down... sometimes you need a kick in the butt to get your stuff together so that you are better prepared for next cycle... and not wondering what in the world is wrong with your app.

Good luck everyone!
 
My scores are listed below and I have two interviews. You just gotta have a little faith and be absolutely adorable. It's a gift and a curse.
 
misstoothfairy said:
K nerds. They look at the Science GPA then consider overall GPA. That is the what they do and the logical thing to do because you can have someone in MUSIC with a 4.0 but the bare minimum science courses. How can you compare a 4.0 student in music to a 4.0 student in engineering? They use SCIENCE first, then they look OVERALL, thats how majority of the schools do it.

In Klutzy's case, he has over 4.0 in both. They are not gonna use his 4.09 and compare to someone else's 4.07 and be like hmmm, the 4.09 is higher so we'll take him.
Plus contach, his sci gpa and regular gpa differ by 0.05...., this argument is almost as pathetic as comparing penis sizes.

This is the take home message. Those with a gpa of greater than 3.9 go in the same pile as those in 4.0's and greater. Once you get into that range 3.9 and 4.0 become indifferent.
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i was comparing the GPA w/ and the GPA w/o. No one knows which one they use. Yet Klutzy reported the higher 4.09 and 4.04 which is his GPA with. His GPA without is 4.0. Hence, inflation by .09 and .04. K w/e it differs by .05. But we were talking about grade inflation, and this is an example of it, regardless of how insignificant it is. It shows us one case where one student thought he wasn't grade inflating, but in my opinion is. Another student may argue taht his summer school courses don't count and thus his GPA should be 0.2 higher. And that student probably doesn't think hes inflating his grade either.

I'm not accusing people or saying it doesn't happen - just making a point.
 
misstoothfairy said:
K nerds. They look at the Science GPA then consider overall GPA. That is the what they do and the logical thing to do because you can have someone in MUSIC with a 4.0 but the bare minimum science courses. How can you compare a 4.0 student in music to a 4.0 student in engineering? They use SCIENCE first, then they look OVERALL, thats how majority of the schools do it.
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So after viewing your predents profile with 3.6x in overal GPA and 3.9x in science GPA, I see why you think this way. Clearly you are hoping that adcoms weigh your science GPA more than your overall. Your post seethes with bias. If this is what makes you feel good about your marks, then so be it. But realize that logic to you may not make sense to the next. And your logic doesn't produce an immediate universal truth.

And don't call us nerds: uou have a 3.9x.
 
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