How many of you could take a DO accep. over an MD?

[Chisel]

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I know I'm probably going to catch hell for this. I know we're all here because we love the fact that we'll be, or at least are very cool with being DOs. I know I am and if I only got one lone DO acceptance when I apply this summer I'll be so thrilled. HOWEVER, I see a situation possibly happenning where I get into a state MD school and a DO school in a city that I would much prefer living in. I hate myself for the fact that I may have a difficult time choosing DO over MD if both options are presented to me. So I was just wondering what you all felt...Who would in a heartbeat take a DO acceptance in a preferred location over an MD acceptance if they were sitting on both...And does it make me a horrible person that I think it would be hard for me to turn down the MD?

DO is the only degree for me. Only wanted to be a physician if I could be a DO. Osteopathic medicine suits my personality, beliefs, and philosophies in medicine. OMM gives me the opportunity to use my hands whenever possible-a feature that I felt necessary to be a good physician.

Plus, the DO mentality seemed to fit with the area in which I plan to practice medicine some day.

Chisel
PCOM MS III.75

 

[bjay27]

No one here has mentioned anything about obtaining a better education in an MD vs DO education.

My goal is to be the best medical doctor possible, and obtaining the best medical education possible will aid me in this quest. I know that each person makes what they want out of their education, but I would choose MD over DO because I think (on average) they have better, more engraved, and more strict curriculums. (& less residency problems.)
This is a personel generalization that I have come up with, because I havent been proved otherwise. (and will now put on armor to brace myself from the DO onslought!) The AMA is so large, established, and omnipresent in medicine, that they make sure MD schools got their crap in order.
Although the OMM part of the DO curriculum is quite small, it nevertheless uses time that MD schools use in teaching other basic requisites.

My school dilema; I am interested in primary care, but grew up and live in Seattle, and so may have the opportunity to attend the #1 primary care program in the US. -UW. Versus AZCOM or WU/Comp? So many factors!!!!

 

[DrDad]

I on the other hand knew I would apply to only state schools (OSU or OU). I chose to not apply to OU (on good word, a friend who attended HIGHLY advised against it). I made my choice in accordance with what was best for my family, further, when it came time to actually submit materials, I again investigated and came to the conclusion that DO was the only way for me and more specifically, that OSU was the only way for me.... I love the philosophy and I especially like the fact that I am surrounded by more people in similar boats to me... Non-traditional, with wife, and 3 kids.... I needed a school that would be friendly to all of us....

this is my take....

best of luck

DrDad

 

[docbill]

No one here has mentioned anything about obtaining a better education in an MD vs DO education.

My goal is to be the best medical doctor possible, and obtaining the best medical education possible will aid me in this quest. I know that each person makes what they want out of their education, but I would choose MD over DO because I think (on average) they have better, more engraved, and more strict curriculums. (& less residency problems.)
This is a personel generalization that I have come up with, because I havent been proved otherwise. (and will now put on armor to brace myself from the DO onslought!) The AMA is so large, established, and omnipresent in medicine, that they make sure MD schools got their crap in order.
Although the OMM part of the DO curriculum is quite small, it nevertheless uses time that MD schools use in teaching other basic requisites.

My school dilema; I am interested in primary care, but grew up and live in Seattle, and so may have the opportunity to attend the #1 primary care program in the US. -UW. Versus AZCOM or WU/Comp? So many factors!!!!

Some MD programs prepare you better than DO programs and vise versa. You have some excellent DO programs out there that can give a lot of lower tier MD program for a run for their money.

Residency is what prepares you for medicine.
So yes.. easier to get ACGME residency in you are an MD grad... no surprises.. But if you have to... as a DO, you can do really well on your exams and get a great residency position. Yale is very DO friendly. Harvard has a few as well. I am sure that this trend will only increase.

UWashin is a great school.. EXCELLENT TUITION FOR INSTATE. SO I would go there if I can. Even if I pay same tuition as outofstate/ or as DO schools. Fact is FACT. UWash is excellent.. take that for sure.

 

[jkhamlin]

No one here has mentioned anything about obtaining a better education in an MD vs DO education.

🙄

My goal is to be the best medical doctor possible, and obtaining the best medical education possible will aid me in this quest.

Funny, that is EXACTLY why I am applying DO only. I have seen MD's recommend surgery and drugs that were not appropriate just because their training is lacking in all of medicine, and their egos wouldn't allow them to consider other options.

 

[DrDad]

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Funny, that is EXACTLY why I am applying DO only. I have seen MD's recommend surgery and drugs that were not appropriate just because their training is lacking in all of medicine, and their egos wouldn't allow them to consider other options.

OUCH!!!!

Unfortunately, I have seen both sides of the fence do just that, and following your logic, the DO's are even more at fault.... Sad But True, (It happens)

 

[Khenon]

but I would choose MD over DO because I think (on average) they have better, more engraved, and more strict curriculums. (& less residency problems.)

Why do you think MD schools have better curriculums? And what residency problems are you talking about?

I'm not bashing. I'm genuinly wanting to know what you're talking about.

 

[DrDad]

Why do you think MD schools have better curriculums? And what residency problems are you talking about?

I'm not bashing. I'm genuinly wanting to know what you're talking about.

Second that!

 

[jkhamlin]

OUCH!!!!

Unfortunately, I have seen both sides of the fence do just that, and following your logic, the DO's are even more at fault.... Sad But True, (It happens)

I have seen bad DO's and bad MD's. I had to tell my physician to take a hike a year ago, and he was a DO. It wasn't because of lack of training (eg: an extra hour of biochem or stats wouldn't have changed the outcome), but rather he made some stupid mistakes that he wouldn't have made if he had cared enough to pay attention. The lack of training (quantity not quality) is a trait of "Allopathy only" education that is unique to MD schools. As many have pointed out, there is a range of quality in both MD and DO schools.

 

[DrDad]

I have seen bad DO's and bad MD's. I had to tell my physician to take a hike a year ago, and he was a DO. It wasn't because of lack of training (eg: an extra hour of biochem or stats wouldn't have changed the outcome), but rather he made some stupid mistakes that he wouldn't have made if he had cared enough to pay attention. The lack of training (quantity not quality) is a trait of "Allopathy only" education that is unique to MD schools. As many have pointed out, there is a range of quality in both MD and DO schools.

when I entered I was somewhat enamored by the idea of being someone's physician, now I desire to be a great physician and that means that my studies are up to me, not my school, the school opens the door to some degree to the learning, but as an astute professor pointed out today, I will be my own greatest teacher for the rest of my life... this is not new news, kinda the way that medical school is.....

I wish you the best, and BTW, I would love to have you here at OSU as a first year, Good LUCK

DrDad

 

[PJ1120]

Does it really matter??? Some ppl might care about titles....and that's all good. But we all want to practice medicine for one reason....BEING ABLE TO CARE OF SOMEONE'S HEALTH. MD, MBBS, DO, PA, NP........hell....as long as their patients are doing good and happy.......then they are successful and NO ONE can question their dedication to their patients. I'll gladly have a NP who takes better care of me than an MD, DO, etc anyday. Personally, my family physician is a MD, who didnt give a dam about me. So I went to a PA, and he is one of the most brilliant and kind humans i know. ACTUALLY PAYS ATTENTION ABOUT ME!!!

 

[jkhamlin]

when I entered I was somewhat enamored by the idea of being someone's physician, now I desire to be a great physician and that means that my studies are up to me, not my school, the school opens the door to some degree to the learning, but as an astute professor pointed out today, I will be my own greatest teacher for the rest of my life... this is not new news, kinda the way that medical school is.....

I wish you the best, and BTW, I would love to have you here at OSU as a first year, Good LUCK

DrDad

I totally agree.

 

[Kazema]

Does it really matter??? Some ppl might care about titles....and that's all good. But we all want to practice medicine for one reason....BEING ABLE TO CARE OF SOMEONE'S HEALTH. MD, MBBS, DO, PA, NP........hell....as long as their patients are doing good and happy.......then they are successful and NO ONE can question their dedication to their patients. I'll gladly have a NP who takes better care of me than an MD, DO, etc anyday. Personally, my family physician is a MD, who didnt give a dam about me. So I went to a PA, and he is one of the most brilliant and kind humans i know. ACTUALLY PAYS ATTENTION ABOUT ME!!!

I really love the practice I found here in Rochester - the doctor is awesome, he just exudes this sense of calm and trust that makes you feel really comfortable, and his PA is also really great too.

I'm rather glad all those other practices rejected my insurance .

 

[cfdavid]

when I entered I was somewhat enamored by the idea of being someone's physician, now I desire to be a great physician and that means that my studies are up to me, not my school, the school opens the door to some degree to the learning, but as an astute professor pointed out today, I will be my own greatest teacher for the rest of my life... this is not new news, kinda the way that medical school is.....

I wish you the best, and BTW, I would love to have you here at OSU as a first year, Good LUCK

DrDad

I agree that what you get out of medical school (or anything else in life), is what you choose to make of it, as well as what you put into it. Even in the best of programs you're bound to have a few instructors that really suck. So, it just means that you'll need to read more of the text in order to 'connect the dots' of his/her lackluster lecture notes. Whatever, but it's ultimately up to you (barring the extreme of a consistently poor program)

As far as being good at something, take it from a non-trad that's been out in the business field for the last 8 years, it's all about attitude. It's what makes the better sales guy, engineer, you name it. The best doctors won't show themselves until the clinical years, or later for that matter. Because being a good doctor is a whole lot more than acing a biochemistry exam. If you don't have the personality for it, you simply won't be happy or very good at being a physician.

 

[cfdavid]

I should clearify that different personality traits will be more or less important to different specialties in medicine (i.e. surgeons, versus FP's).

 

[xadmin]

I think you are correct. I read somewhere that DO schools get more applicants and it is just as hard, if not harder, to get in.

DO school equal hard to get in? You are joking. DO are schools for people who slack off in college.

3.0 GPA and 23 MCAT is hardly somebody who study in college.

To the original poster, go get a MD. You don't want to be looked at as a 2nd rate doctor with a DO. The guy who founded DO school is a MD, irony?

 

[OSUdoc08]

DO school equal hard to get in? You are joking. DO are schools for people who slack off in college.

3.0 GPA and 23 MCAT is hardly somebody who study in college.

To the original poster, go get a MD. You don't want to be looked at as a 2nd rate doctor with a DO. The guy who founded DO school is a MD, irony?

Not all DO schools are that way, buddy, especially the nationally ranked ones. I interviewed at a top-tier MD school, but didn't hear from one of the other top DO schools.

👎

 

[frank51]

DO school equal hard to get in? You are joking. DO are schools for people who slack off in college.

3.0 GPA and 23 MCAT is hardly somebody who study in college.

To the original poster, go get a MD. You don't want to be looked at as a 2nd rate doctor with a DO. The guy who founded DO school is a MD, irony?

Last year Texas Tech (MD) accepted someone with a 20 MCAT, the year before that, UT San Antonio (MD) accepted someone with a 19 MCAT, both MD and DO schools do occasionally accept people with low MCAT/GPA. Sure there are a few DO schools that tend to accept applicants with relatively low MCAT/GPA, but at the same time, there a few MD schools that do the exact same thing (Meharry, Howard, schools in Puerto rico). I know that the average GPA/MCAT for TCOM in Texas is virtually the same as most of the MD schools in Texas. Do your research before you make an ignorant comment.

 

[TwoLegacies]

DO school equal hard to get in? You are joking. DO are schools for people who slack off in college.

3.0 GPA and 23 MCAT is hardly somebody who study in college.

To the original poster, go get a MD. You don't want to be looked at as a 2nd rate doctor with a DO. The guy who founded DO school is a MD, irony?

I like this guy, because every time he makes a nasty comment, he negates himself by using incorrect grammar. I'd rather have a doctor with a B average than one who's rude, can't form a complete sentence, and doesn't have a solid grasp of the concept of irony.

 

[calichik]

DO school equal hard to get in? You are joking. DO are schools for people who slack off in college.

3.0 GPA and 23 MCAT is hardly somebody who study in college.

To the original poster, go get a MD. You don't want to be looked at as a 2nd rate doctor with a DO. The guy who founded DO school is a MD, irony?

xadmin, did you get accepted into an MD school? Because if you did, good for you because I will be so glad that I don't have to deal with the likes of you in the osteopathic community. I'm proud that I will be getting a DO degree rather than an MD degree, and after being on SDN for a while, I'm glad that I didn't choose MD because of people like you. I'm sorry but I'm tired of seeing how some of the soon-to-be MDs act like they are better than the rest of us(the foreign-MDs and DOs). Having high academic stats in undergrad doesn't mean squat if you can't do well in med school and become a good physician.

Sorry, just had to vent...

 

[ad_sharp]

xadmin, did you get accepted into an MD school? Because if you did, good for you because I will be so glad that I don't have to deal with the likes of you in the osteopathic community. I'm proud that I will be getting a DO degree rather than an MD degree, and after being on SDN for a while, I'm glad that I didn't choose MD because of people like you. I'm sorry but I'm tired of seeing how some of the soon-to-be MDs act like they are better than the rest of us(the foreign-MDs and DOs). Having high academic stats in undergrad doesn't mean squat if you can't do well in med school and become a good physician.

Sorry, just had to vent...

Be careful about lumping all MDs or DOs into a homogenous group defined exclusively by the title. I know MD students who are jerks. I know DO students that are equally rude. Ignorant people exist. Rude people exist. They're going to be present wherever you go. Really, the only thing that you can do is ignore them and make sure that you don't add fuel to their fire. You'll be working closely with MDs one day, and I'll be working with DOs. I don't think that any amount of fighting will improve our lives or that of our patients. Don't let a few radicals taint your views and make you bitter.

 

[calichik]

Be careful about lumping all MDs or DOs into a homogenous group defined exclusively by the title. I know MD students who are jerks. I know DO students that are equally rude. Ignorant people exist. Rude people exist. They're going to be present wherever you go. Really, the only thing that you can do is ignore them and make sure that you don't add fuel to their fire. You'll be working closely with MDs one day, and I'll be working with DOs. I don't think that any amount of fighting will improve our lives or that of our patients. Don't let a few radicals taint your views and make you bitter.

That's true, there are rude ones in every profession. And I know I can't change their attitudes and make everyone act nice to each other. I know I'll end up running into those types, it just irks me sometimes...

 

[Buster Douglas]

xadmin, did you get accepted into an MD school? Because if you did, good for you because I will be so glad that I don't have to deal with the likes of you in the osteopathic community...

xadmin is a DO.

How else would he know so much about Pre-DO study habits? 🙄

 

[ad_sharp]

That's true, there are rude ones in every profession. And I know I can't change their attitudes and make everyone act nice to each other. I know I'll end up running into those types, it just irks me sometimes...

Totally understandable.

 

[smc927]

DO school equal hard to get in? You are joking. DO are schools for people who slack off in college.

3.0 GPA and 23 MCAT is hardly somebody who study in college.

To the original poster, go get a MD. You don't want to be looked at as a 2nd rate doctor with a DO. The guy who founded DO school is a MD, irony?

You are making some big assumptions about what a DO is and the numbers (which are on average MUCH higher than you've posted above, and higher than many MD schools - yes, really. Check out medschoolstats.com)

 

[bjay27]

I feel that this conversation keeps turning in circles.
Comparing a DO vs an MD is like comparing a police officer vs a sheriff. Different departments, different people, different jurisdictions, different reputations. All have had their drug busts, serial killer arrests, and conversely corruptions and Rodney King beatings.
When you call 911, you don’t say, please send the police and not the sheriff, I’m in no rush to get this criminal who robbed me and tried to kill me. Just as you wouldn’t select a preference in a hospital or clinic.
I have many friends who are MD students, and also friends who are DO students. Both bust there ass and have little free time outside of school. Lets face it, your brain can only hold so much info, so its what you push yourself to become after the thousands of hours of gross anatomy and biochemistry that will make you just a baseline vs. top notch doc.

I think I’m being naive in worrying about the time spent on OMM vs. what MD's are learning. Heck, Duke gives students there full 3rd year to do whatever they want; research, or another degree. Its also naive to think that an MD is better than a DO. The one thing I hate about MD's is their f*ckin arrogance, every single DO and DO student I’ve met has been hella cool, they don’t think their god almighty.
So my answer to this threads question is............
DO WHATEVER THE F*CK MAKES YOU HAPPY!

If you have to ask then youre probably to much of a puss to handle the DO title! -So quit applying and become a dentist or something. Either that, or you've found SDN and haven’t bothered to read any previous threads!

 

[kidgorgeous]

I feel that this conversation keeps turning in circles.
Comparing a DO vs an MD is like comparing a police officer vs a sheriff. Different departments, different people, different jurisdictions, different reputations. All have had their drug busts, serial killer arrests, and conversely corruptions and Rodney King beatings.
When you call 911, you don’t say, please send the police and not the sheriff, I’m in no rush to get this criminal who robbed me and tried to kill me. Just as you wouldn’t select a preference in a hospital or clinic.
I have many friends who are MD students, and also friends who are DO students. Both bust there ass and have little free time outside of school. Lets face it, your brain can only hold so much info, so its what you push yourself to become after the thousands of hours of gross anatomy and biochemistry that will make you just a baseline vs. top notch doc.

I think I’m being naive in worrying about the time spent on OMM vs. what MD's are learning. Heck, Duke gives students there full 3rd year to do whatever they want; research, or another degree. Its also naive to think that an MD is better than a DO. The one thing I hate about MD's is their f*ckin arrogance, every single DO and DO student I’ve met has been hella cool, they don’t think their god almighty.
So my answer to this threads question is............
DO WHATEVER THE F*CK MAKES YOU HAPPY!

If you have to ask then youre probably to much of a puss to handle the DO title! -So quit applying and become a dentist or something. Either that, or you've found SDN and haven’t bothered to read any previous threads!

I love the above post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great job! If you are a puss don't apply to DO schools! LOL. Hopefully, I will soon be deciding between holding my DO acceptance or accepting an MD offer, but my decision is strictly going to be based on finances. Either way life is good! Just enjoy being a doctor! Its the greatest job in the world!
God bless
kid.

 

[Holistic]

This post is for xadmin. I read through your posts, and guess what your an @#$hole. You have never worked in the real world and you dont have a clue about the medical profession after medical school. Here's a situation for you, lets say someone did slack of when they were young and didnt do that well in some classes. Then they got there *&^% together studied hard, made good grades and a decent MCAT score and went to DO school because that person liked their approach to medicine. After graduation that "sub par" doctor ended up working in your area in primary care. I guess you dont want any of that DO's business because he/she and his patients are below you. So if you would be kind enough to let all DO's personally know your name, so that in the future they will make sure not to send you any of their "sub par" business, they will send them to a doctor that respects them instead.

With an attitude like yours I feel sorry for your patients someday. Part of being a doctor is being accepting of all types of people, but your obviously not. By the way arrogance does not go over in interviews well, so I would suggest you tone it down a notch.

 

[tkim]

this thread is getting personal. closing.