How Many of you did Research

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How many of you guys did research, and I mean serious research. Please describe your research and how heavily do dental schools weigh it?

Does research experience really help your app or is it just an optional thing?

I only ask because I just started and its really eating into my DAT study time. It feels like a 8 hour job without pay. Should I just quit or stick with it?
 
briansle said:
How many of you guys did research, and I mean serious research. Please describe your research and how heavily do dental schools weigh it?

Does research experience really help your app or is it just an optional thing?

I only ask because I just started and its really eating into my DAT study time. It feels like a 8 hour job without pay. Should I just quit or stick with it?

quit 😀 😀
 
Quit the research and study for your DAT. Schools look at DAT and GPA first and foremost. I got accepted to all three TX schools with zero hours of research. San Antonio happens to value it greatly(I'm told) but that didn't stop them from accepting me first round. You may hear from your advisors at undergrad how important it is, BS. For example, if someone with a GPA of 3.5 and 19AA with tons of research experience goes up against a 3.5 and 21AA and zero research experience, the higher DAT will win out. It's in your best interest to score high on that test. To sum up my ranting, you will not get denied because of your research hours(or lack their of) you will however get denied if your DAT isn't acceptable.
 
Briansle: I had two significant research experiences. One was paid, summer, basic sciences with a big university, and the other was volunteer, applied sciences which I got a publication out of really good engineering journal. Did it make a difference? I interviewed at over a dozen schools and only two asked me about those experiences: UConn and Harvard. Harvard actually wanted a copy of the publication sent ahead of time with their secondary. Be careful at those schools, the interviewers know their stuff and they'll ask questions to see what you're made of! Back to the question, did it make a difference? I think only at Harvard. I didn't apply to UPenn.

But to address your situation. Do you enjoy your work? Are you learning anything? Do you think research (clinical or basic sciences) might be a part of your future career? If you say no to any of these, then don't waste your time. Most dental schools really don't care what you do (unlike meds), just as long as you're involved in SOMETHING. But if you are into the research, stick with it and find the time to study. Maybe push back your test date to mid/late august. I had my basic sciences research position last summer and studied for the DAT at the same time. It was a lot of work, but it was totally doable and worthwhile. I studied on weekends, attended Kaplan class once a week, and got two weeks off before the actual exam (i'm sure you can get that if it's volunteer) and I did awesome. Remember, the DAT isn't like the MCAT: you don't have to rewire your brain. You just have to learn facts. Good luck.
 
don't waste your time with research unless your GPA is in the gutter
 
Great advice Mithridates

The research I'm involved with interested me because it is conducted by a dental professor who is trying to find a way to regenerate the tooth from a root. Mainly periodontics stuff.

But unfortunately they only seem to have me doing PCR of immortal cell lines and working with small samples of DNA and RNA, which really has nothing to do with dentistry. In fact its flat out boring and reminds me of Biochem lab.

If research wasn't beneficial to dental school admissions, honestly I would not be doing this. But Dental students tell me its important.

So I guess I'll just juggle the research and DAT out like you did.
 
briansle said:
Great advice Mithridates

The research I'm involved with interested me because it is conducted by a dental professor who is trying to find a way to regenerate the tooth from a root. Mainly periodontics stuff.

But unfortunately they only seem to have me doing PCR of immortal cell lines and working with small samples of DNA and RNA, which really has nothing to do with dentistry. In fact its flat out boring and reminds me of Biochem lab.

If research wasn't beneficial to dental school admissions, honestly I would not be doing this. But Dental students tell me its important.

So I guess I'll just juggle the research and DAT out like you did.

In this case you have something to list in the research box of the app and you have something to talk about (know your research!) in your interviews if people care to know more. I would say research is a good thing to have and can be very important to research-oriented schools.
 
Briansle, that's sounds like interesting work. But you shouldn't expect your job to have anything to do with dentistry. I mean, what do you know about dentistry?! Talk to any level-headed second-year dental student, and they'll tell you that even they don't know jack about dentistry. I think you should stick with it, it's an experience that might direct you to a career in research and it's good for specializing. I've met so many people on interviews that say 'I'm gonna do ortho or oral surgery.' All these specialty programs have a serious research component, and those with experience will have a huge advantage in applications. In particular, having experience pre-dental school will show specialty adcoms that you've been interested for a while - that you didn't start doing research in dental school because you knew that's what they wanted.
 
I did my research on "Intra- and inter-specific variation in tooth sharpness among fruit bats". It lasted nearly 2 years, even including summers, Jan breaks, and spring breaks but i only got 9 credits for it. it took me endless number of hours... i pretty much lived in the lab during those days. I measured the sharpness of about 1000 bat teeth after taking digital images of them and having to actually develop a program to meausre their sharpnes.... very complicated stuff.... how much did it help? not as much as i wanted to and as its been pointed out already, schools look at your GPA and DAT scores to decide to invite you for an interview... but when you get there, almost everyone else has some sort of reseach with a publication in progress. my advice to you is to put most of your time on the DAT and attempt doing a research where you can do in a semester or at the most in one semester and a summer.

~Comet
 
Quit!

Having a decent DAT scores is much more important than research experience for the dental school admissions.

I have... 10 publications including first author journal papers.
Bioengineering research for 1.5 yrs
Electrical Eng. for 2.5 years...

But I only studied without doing researching when I studied for DAT. Doing research is extremely time consuming. I knew I couldn't do both. You said you don't get paid... so why? Just focus on studying for DAT....
 
I though the previous answer to this topic was "only if you are interested in it" and/or "depends on which school you want to attend"? 😕
 
Mithridates said:
... and it's good for specializing. I've met so many people on interviews that say 'I'm gonna do ortho or oral surgery.' All these specialty programs have a serious research component, and those with experience will have a huge advantage in applications. In particular, having experience pre-dental school will show specialty adcoms that you've been interested for a while - that you didn't start doing research in dental school because you knew that's what they wanted.

Somewhat true. Speaking from my own experience, my ortho application was backed by plenty of genuine research commitment in undergrad (2 years in a lab at a nearby cancer hospital, 1 HHMI summer at Harvard) followed by 2 summers of research in dental school. I had plenty of abstracts & presentations on my CV, and 1 publication as well. I think my research background helped me get 2 interviews, however, both of these programs were really looking to see if any students would commit to doing the dual Ortho & PhD route. I don't know if I could handle doing both right now, so I honestly told them that. Also, my conscience will not let me lie & say "Sure, If you accept me here, I'll do both!" when I secretly know that I won't do the PhD - but that's just me & my ethical standpoint. I know there are students out there that have no ethical problems saying one thing and doing another to get what they want.

Anyhow, I did not get into ortho this past year. My numbers (rank/board) are reasonably competitive for ortho, I have lots of other serious activities besides research - I was not a mediocre candidate. I had classmates (at least 3) who had only 1 summer of research experience that got into ortho - do you think they did research b/c they really wanted the experience or because "programs want to see you did something" - you decide. I can think of many previously successful ortho applicants from my school with the minimal 1 summer "write it on my resume" research. My OMS bound classmates had possibly even less research on their CVs. Research will not make or break your specialty or even dental school application, If you have strong numbers, your application will most likely be considered regardless of the research being on there or not.

Briansle: Research experience can be good, but if you think your DAT is going to suffer, I would postpone the research. Especially if you are applying for this cycle. I don't think research is very critical for dental school applications, since there isn't any serious research requirment at any dental school in order to graduate. Good DAT scores will get your application noticed. A mediocre DAT with a summer of "serious" research will put your application in the middle of the pile.

Having been through the specialty application process with my research background, I've decided that it must be hard for adcoms to decide whose research is "serious" vs. "just did it to put on my resume." Anyone can hang out in a lab without engaging in serious research. Some people have the ability to transform "hanging out in lab" into something on their resume that reads the equivalent of curing cancer. How is the adcom going to know if it was serious or not from 3 lines on a resume? It isn't until you call the student to interview when you might be able to figure out if they really did something or sat around and counted ceiling tiles. Get the point? They're not going to make the decision to interview you based on the "serious" summer research; it's your DAT that's going to get you that interview invite.
 
Thanks griffin, that's an interesting story. You obviously know a lot better than me about applying to specialty programs. I just think that from the initial post/question, I feel that the DAT really isn't a test that you should spend 2 or 3 months hard-core cramming for (like studying is a summer job). I have friends that did that for the MCAT, but I can understand why: the MCAT is a real reasoning/mind bending test that you need to be mentally prepared for. The DAT isn't like that at all. I think with the DAT you could study for like 4 hrs a day for 3 or 4 weeks and score 18+ which would get you into a bunch of awesome dental schools. That's just from my experience - maybe others find the test much more difficult. So, I guess it comes down to how good of a test-taker you are Briansle. From my experience last summer, I learned a lot working in that research lab and I know that I would've been really unhappy strictly studying from early May to August. And that unhappiness might've affected my performance on the dat. But I didn't have to do research, I could've been working as a lifeguard at the beach like my previous summer. Is research necessary? Definetly not. Can it help you? I think so, if you're interested. But I don't want to overanalyze and run this thread into the ground. I'm out.
 
Slain said:
don't waste your time with research unless your GPA is in the gutter


And I wouldn't even do it then. The ONLY reason I would do research is if it truly is an interest.

I did heavy research for three years, studying the HPA axis and how specific interleukins are able to stimulate glucocorticoid secretion even in the absence of axis factors (for example, in the absence of ACTH).

I don't think it helped me one bit as far as getting into schools. I did get published several times, and the work interested me.

Maybe it'll help me with specialty school. I know that probably more important is research I do in dental school.

My thoughts: doing research will NOT help a poor GPA, and it will NOT help a poor DAT score. If you have borderline marks then it will bolster your application, but a 2.7 with research is still far worse than a 3.2 or a 3.4 with no research.
 
Research,...certainly not for everyone.. do it if you are really into it, or if you think you could meet some people who might be able to help you out somewhere down the road...

I did a year of research, and found out that I hated it ? I wish I would have taken a few more business classes instead..
 
briansle said:
How many of you guys did research, and I mean serious research. Please describe your research and how heavily do dental schools weigh it?

Does research experience really help your app or is it just an optional thing?

I only ask because I just started and its really eating into my DAT study time. It feels like a 8 hour job without pay. Should I just quit or stick with it?

what is "research" anyway ? I never have one. During my interviews, I told my interviewers that I would not interest in research in dental school and I was suck and had no patience in research field. Guess they really did not care. I got in 3 out of 3.
 
As others have said, research is really not necessary to gain admission. I have about 4 years worth because I originally did a M.S. degree and went into a research career and now I am giving it all up to pursue a career in dentistry.

If you enjoy it and have a good opportunity then obviously it doesn't hurt. Unless, it keeps you from focusing on the most important aspects of the application: DAT and GPA.

If your research interferes with these, then quit and get focused on the other two.

DAT and GPA will almost always seal the deal for admissions better than anything else.

JMHO
 
I think Reserach has helped me become more critical in my thinking process. Also the little things that are involved in reserach, such as how to present your ideas, how to argue or present your thoughts in a meeting. How to respond to questions, when asked in an intelligent and non threating manner. How to write in different style, rather than your traditional essay writing. Exposes you to statistical analysis beyond, biometrics. How to interpret graphs and such. 👍 It helps with reading skills as well and how to find the importance topics of a paper.
 
I did about 2 years of research as an undergrad, one with a pharmacy professor and one with a biochem grad student. I really enjoyed it, I got to participate and, eventually, run experiments for them and also join them at lab meetings. On the end I wrote a "senior thesis", which was just a (very long) summary of what I did and submitted that into my department. That gave me the chance to graduate with "High Honors" or "magna cum laude", which is only possible (at UF) with a senior thesis. Also, its a great way to really get to know a faculty member and get a great rec. letter!


However, it is NOT a job. If it becomes a job, then talk to the faculty member and tell them that you need to cut your hours, if he/she refuses: quit. I did an average of, maybe, 5 hours per week.

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