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No that didn't work "great" it worked horribly. Because you know what's horrible? Being in the closet. You know what else is horrible? Being able to be discharged (sometimes dishonorably) for your sexual orientation. Are you actually this ignorant?
I'm not ignorant, and if you want to be open about it, I encourage you to do so, just not on this forum. I'm sure you've told your family or your friends, and you should discuss it with them if you want. I have nothing against you for who you are, I just suggest talking about your feelings (on that subject) somewhere else. Ultimately, if you do not choose to do so, I will no longer remark on the subject.
 
I'm not ignorant, and if you want to be open about it, I encourage you to do so, just not on this forum. I'm sure you've told your family or your friends, and you should discuss it with them if you want. I have nothing against you for who you are, I just suggest talking about your feelings (on that subject) somewhere else. Ultimately, if you do not choose to do so, I will no longer remark on the subject.


So if I had made a vague reference to my sexual life with my boyfriend, would you have responded with "Jesus that's gross" ??
 
You don't have to be homophobic to disagree with gay marriage. I'm not going to turn this into a debate, but come on, we're all better than this. You don't have to fear something to disagree with it. I agree with gay marriage, yet I can absolutely recognize this fact.
 
I'm not ignorant, and if you want to be open about it, I encourage you to do so, just not on this forum. I'm sure you've told your family or your friends, and you should discuss it with them if you want. I have nothing against you for who you are, I just suggest talking about your feelings (on that subject) somewhere else. Ultimately, if you do not choose to do so, I will no longer remark on the subject.

Why exactly are they not allowed to discuss their sexual feelings/romantic lives on this forum when there are literally hundreds of other threads where others have done the same?

I for one think it would be a great solution if you stopped remarking on the subject
 
You don't have to be homophobic to disagree with gay marriage. I'm not going to turn this into a debate, but come on, we're all better than this. You don't have to fear something to disagree with it. I agree with gay marriage, yet I can absolutely recognize this fact.
we aren't talking about gay marriage. There was a vague flirty comment between me and fancy and that got deemed "gross"

I do not believe that RJGOP would have called a vague flirty comment between two opposite sex members "gross"

And I'm not going to make any attempt to hide my sexuality here or anywhere else. I came out in high school and I'm never going back. Being in the closet were the worst years of my life and I would never want to subject anyone to that. So you can shove your fake concern about my mood or anything about me, because if you actually gave a rats behind about me or any LGBTQ person you wouldn't tell them not to be themselves in public. I'm not hiding for you or for anyone.
 
True, but for every entitled man who mistreats women there are probably 10 or more gentlemen out there. While there’s no denying that women overall have it worse then men, there are plenty of men out there who are mistreated by women on a daily basis.

Also, not sure if you’re trolling, but the statement about “men respect others property” can easily be interpreted as degrading and offensive. That’s like me saying saying “women love being in the kitchen.” I’m pretty sure most men (myself included) don’t regard women as property. I would hope you don’t stereotype all men this way.

Lol I do appreciate the irony though.
You didn't review the link to which I was responding did you? The issue of "property" is pretty well described in it.

Of course #notallmen are like this (or that men aren't abused) but many fail to see harassment because it doesn't tend to happen when they're around, they define harassment as only that which borders on/is criminal (so don't recognize more subtle forms) or they assume it only comes from low life DB who live under bridges; they're often surprised when its one of "their own".

At any rate, please don't make this personal or make assumptions about what I do or don't believe about men. I have a pretty darn good relationship with my male friends, family members and even ex-boyfriends.
 
So if I had made a vague reference to my sexual life with my boyfriend, would you have responded with "Jesus that's gross" ??
No, and I was just stating my opinion on the subject, with which I inadvertently offended some people, and I'm sorry. I for one, am not very pro-gay marriage, and am sort of grossed out by the idea of it, both for females and males. I don't hold anything against gay people though, and I'm not homophobic. I'm sorry if my remarks were misconstrued or taken with offense, that was not at all my intention. I also know we discuss sex fairly liberally on this forum, and I should have acknowledged that fact before hand. I suppose it was my distaste towards the subject of gay sex that got the better of me. It's very hard to portray true emotions over this thread as well. I didn't want to start a flame war, so I'm sorry. I think we could do a better job of taking people's ideas and opinions of somethings with a grain of salt, and to not overreact.
 
No, and I was just stating my opinion on the subject, with which I inadvertently offended some people, and I'm sorry. I for one, am not very pro-straight marriage, and am sort of grossed out by the idea of it, both for females and males. I don't hold anything against straight people though, and I'm not heterophobic. I'm sorry if my remarks were misconstrued or taken with offense, that was not at all my intention. I also know we discuss sex fairly liberally on this forum, and I should have acknowledged that fact before hand. I suppose it was my distaste towards the subject of straight sex that got the better of me. It's very hard to portray true emotions over this thread as well. I didn't want to start a flame war, so I'm sorry. I think we could do a better job of taking people's ideas and opinions of somethings with a grain of salt, and to not overreact.

Just re-read this and tell me how it makes you feel
 
How does every freaking thread here turn into a sexism or racism debate? Maybe the mods should be more lock happy when threads get off topic?

In the U.S., there's a certain class of angry, over-sensitive, hyper-political people who are perpetually picking fights over imagined incidents of "racism" and "sexism" (also homophobia (sic), transphobia (sic) etc etc). Because they are shrill and annoying, normal people generally avoid them, hence the internet becomes a cherished outlet.
 
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Here's just a few examples of how that link is *****ic:
1) Telling a rando you have a BF has nothing to do with harassment. Most women do it because it's simple, most men will immediately respect this claim and it doesn't require the woman to actually reject the guy directly. I'm pretty sure if someone is actually harassing a woman, they wouldn't talk about their significant other, they'd just say, "get away from me," and then elevate the issue from there if it isn't finished. So in terms of actual harassment, this isn't involved.
2) Groping is direct sexual harassment. I'm not sure there's anyone that somehow negates groping as harassment, but it was a nice addition to try to draw sympathy? "Yeah murder is real, I just got shot in the head and died."
3) The author of this could look up the definition of provocative. It requires dressing a certain way to acquire attention. As in, that was the persons intent by dressing that way. If that attention becomes a problem(ie becomes harassment) then the issue is handled as such. It's pretty clear to me that someone that purposefully dresses to attract attention is going to receive a higher amount of both good and bad attention than someone who does not. It's not slut shaming, it's just not being oblivious to the fact of someone's intent. It doesn't mean the woman is asking for it, it just means if she was being rational, she'd have understood that dressing proactively, by nature will result in a higher amount of both good and bad attention.
4) Cool down periods have nothing to do with public ownership. I'm not a proponent of them at all, but its another thing to blatantly misconstrue. If anything, it's public ownership of the administrators of the abortion, not the person receiving it, as they are the one with the regulations. No one is stopping a woman from doing that herself, but if she wants a medical abortion, then she would have to go through a provider, which has regulations. Thus those regulations aren't inherently about a potential "ownership" or her, it's of the providers.
5) I still don't know anyone that says women are never harassed. I've definitely seen it happen, and have literally stepped in when I was asked to. People commonly say that the issue is overplayed and talked about too frequently, which is completely different than saying it doesn't exist.

Typical emotional draw though.
Yeah, I don't see how waiting 24 hours to get an elective abortion means you're public property. You have 24 hours to think about the ramifications of an abortion and then you can have it to your heart's content.
 
There's a new movement going called "Cards Against Harassment" (cardsagainstharassment.com)

This woman secretly films interactions with men who harass her on the street.

Perfect example of a guy who thinks it's perfectly okay to harass women:

I like how the woman is baiting him to say things to play the victim in this video. The guy looks homeless.
 
The video started after their initial interaction and after she gave him one of the cards. Listen to what he says in the video. He sees nothing wrong with talking to women like that and says "women were put on this earth to pleasure men."

Harassment does not mean threatening or touching. Simply catcalling a woman is considered harassment.
You have got to be kidding. It's as stupid as taking back the word "Bossy" movement.
 
So if I had made a vague reference to my sexual life with my boyfriend, would you have responded with "Jesus that's gross" ??
No. Bc your sexual life with your boyfriend is the normative. Someone being disgusted by homosexual sex is not the same as being homophobic. There is a big difference.
 
You have got to be kidding. It's as stupid as taking back the word "Bossy" movement.

Have you ever been catcalled? Even while bundled up in full winter clothing complete with scarf and hat walking in your apartment complex to the bus stop (happened to me). It's not something the vast majority of women relish or something that makes them feel good about the themselves. It's some loser who feels the need to reduce you to a sexual object (as opposed to a women that he would like to have a relationship with) even during a brief encounter where you happen to be physically located in the same acre as him. It is harassment.
 
I like how the woman is baiting him to say things to play the victim in this video. The guy looks homeless.

Wait, I think he said something about taking her back to his crib, which I suppose could very well be the homeless shelter to which he belongs.
 
Wait, I think he said something about taking her back to his crib, which I suppose could very well be the homeless shelter to which he belongs.
She pulls the gender card and he pulls the race card, in the video. They're made for each other.
 
Have you ever been catcalled? Even while bundled up in full winter clothing complete with scarf and hat walking in your apartment complex to the bus stop (happened to me). It's not something the vast majority of women relish or something that makes them feel good about the themselves. It's some loser who feels the need to reduce you to a sexual object (as opposed to a women that he would like to have a relationship with) even during a brief encounter where you happen to be physically located in the same acre as him. It is harassment.

Sure. Multiple times. But I don't get offended or assume the worst as if every girl is somehow trying to reduce me to a sexual object. Honestly, it really doesn't bother me and I've got far more important things to worry about than someone randomly calling me out for 2 seconds.

Hell, I was walking out of radiology yesterday a couple techs made a comment about how they "hate to see me leave but love to watch me go." I took it as a complement. Should I call the police and report it as sexual harassment?

I don't understand why some people are so overly sensitive and take everything so personally.

This thread and the stuck up med school girls one go hand and hand.
 
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Sure. Multiple times. But I don't get offended or assume the worst as if every girl is somehow trying to reduce me to a sexual object. Honestly, it really doesn't bother me and I've got far more important things to worry about than someone randomly calling me out for 2 seconds.

Hell, I was walking out of radiology yesterday a couple techs made a comment about how they "hate to see me leave but love to watch me go." I took it as a complement. Should I call the police and report it as sexual harassment?

I don't understand why some people are so overly sensitive and take everything so personally.

This thread and the stuck up med school girls one go hand and hand.

lol I was going to say this exact thing
 
Sure. Multiple times. But I don't get offended or assume the worst as if every girl is somehow trying to reduce me to a sexual object. Honestly, it really doesn't bother me and I've got far more important things to worry about than someone randomly calling me out for 2 seconds.

Hell, I was walking out of radiology yesterday a couple techs made a comment about how they "hate to see me leave but love to watch me go." I took it as a complement. Should I call the police and report it as sexual harassment?

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If I were you I would tell them directly that that statement is unacceptable, and further statements like that will have them reported to the EO office in the workplace. That's me though. Harassment is defined by key term "unwanted". If one of the rad techs was my husband or significant other, a statement like that would not qualify as unwanted (I honestly think it's still inappropriate for other reasons, but that's another conversation). Otherwise, statements like that would be unwanted sexual advances and would qualify as harassment. Generally, most sexual harassment training encourages the person experiencing it or observer to make it clear to the harasser that that behavior is unacceptable. After that, continued behavior does qualify as harassment and would warrant some higher level intervention.

On the street, where I have no idea if the loser doing it is a rapist, murderer, carrying a weapon, etc., I walk away (although sometimes anger gets the best of me and I flip him the bird). Safety trumps standing up to harassment in that instance.

Also, where do you get this idea that sexual harassment is a crime? Stalking can be evidenced through excessive harassment, but not the workplace hostile environment kind (i.g catcalls). Assault is a crime, harassment is civil suit material. The only place you may receive a criminal conviction for sexual harassment behavior is in the military. Although good luck with that in the current environment. They have a hard enough time to get a conviction or even a trial for actual sexual assault.
 
Have you ever been catcalled? Even while bundled up in full winter clothing complete with scarf and hat walking in your apartment complex to the bus stop (happened to me). It's not something the vast majority of women relish or something that makes them feel good about the themselves. It's some loser who feels the need to reduce you to a sexual object (as opposed to a women that he would like to have a relationship with) even during a brief encounter where you happen to be physically located in the same acre as him. It is harassment.
Sorry. :sendoff: Try again. If this was the case Gloria Allred would be making a fortune.
 
Sorry. :sendoff: Try again. If this was the case Gloria Allred would be making a fortune.
She's already is making a fortune anyway. I think she has a TV show or two, and she may have written a book but I'm not positive.
 
She already is making a fortune anyway. I think she has a TV show or two, and she may have written a book but I'm not positive.
Yes, but even then she keeps her name out there by defending women in front of cameras, many of them with shady histories (i.e. some random porn star who had relations with Tiger Woods, etc.) under the disguise of defending against chauvinism.
 
ugh the people that wore scrubs to anatomy lab annoyed me so much. I'm cool with whatever, and I don't care what someone else wears really, but it's not like there's fluid flying everywhere and you still have a lab coat over whatever you have on. people would wear those booty things over their shoes too, so weird. between this and the people who would try to steal the faculty white coats to differentiate between students and faculty, I was convinced I'd hate half my class by the end of the first week.
We don't have lab coats, and scrubs are mandatory. I'm considering buying a lab coat just to minimize the grossness, but at the same time I don't want to be the only tool with a lab coat on in the anatomy lab.
 
Sure. Multiple times. But I don't get offended or assume the worst as if every girl is somehow trying to reduce me to a sexual object. Honestly, it really doesn't bother me and I've got far more important things to worry about than someone randomly calling me out for 2 seconds.

Hell, I was walking out of radiology yesterday a couple techs made a comment about how they "hate to see me leave but love to watch me go." I took it as a complement. Should I call the police and report it as sexual harassment?

I don't understand why some people are so overly sensitive and take everything so personally.

This thread and the stuck up med school girls one go hand and hand.
This conveys a startling lack of empathy. As a male you are physically in control of the situation, there is no real threat to your safety. To equate your situation to a female being hit on aggressively (at work or elsewhere) by a physically dominating person is wrong.
 
If you flick someone off for catcalling you, I'm 99% sure you're a stuck up med school girl . God forbid someone complements you, even if its not in the way you'd like. Jesus, some people really need to learn how to take a chill pill. I can't imagine how high strung someone must be to do that. Not to mention any safety concerns become invalid when you do that, so there goes that aspect of your argument.
 
There's only a couple black students in my class, but they don't get treated any differently than the white, Indian, East Asian, or Hispanic kids when we're out. No one in med school gives a damn about your race. Except maybe you, due to a lifetime of seeing things through a racial lens- that's a hard thing to step away from.
 
Too many feminists in med school too. I was having a discussion with some of my friends about the school's plan to make a video clarifying its dress code (which various women disregarded every day). One of the women said that the video amounted to "slut-shaming."

I did a double-take: I had never heard that word IRL before. I thought it was only something that internet feminists used.

I'm not even sure how clarifying that booty shorts and midriff-baring shirts are disallowed has anything to do with "sluts" either.
 
If you flick someone off for catcalling you, I'm 99% sure you're a stuck up med school girl . God forbid someone complements you, even if its not in the way you'd like. Jesus, some people really need to learn how to take a chill pill. I can't imagine how high strung someone must be to do that. Not to mention any safety concerns become invalid when you do that, so there goes that aspect of your argument.
Once or twice is no big deal. imagine getting catcalled every single day on your way to and from work year after year. I would probably freak the **** out too.
 
This conveys a startling lack of empathy. As a male you are physically in control of the situation, there is no real threat to your safety. To equate your situation to a female being hit on aggressively (at work or elsewhere) by a physically dominating person is wrong.
Sorry but the scenario xffan used was of catcalling. But bc alpinism is male, all of a sudden he's "physically in control of the situation", so it's a-ok. How interesting.
 
Too many feminists in med school too. I was having a discussion with some of my friends about the school's plan to make a video clarifying its dress code (which various women disregarded every day). One of the women said that the video amounted to "slut-shaming."

I did a double-take: I had never heard that word IRL before. I thought it was only something that internet feminists used.

I'm not even sure how clarifying that booty shorts and midriff-baring shirts are disallowed has anything to do with "sluts" either.
It's caught on - kind of like the "check your privilege" movement. It's why feminism isn't taken seriously anymore. Kind of like the War on Women that's trotted out every election cycle.

Hospital dress code is specifically trotted out bc women aren't dressing properly in the hospital and many of the times it is nurses that are reporting them to the medical school. So if it's slut shaming they hate, they should look at their own gender first.
 
Once or twice is no big deal. imagine getting catcalled every single day on your way to and from work year after year. I would probably freak the **** out too.

I wouldn't because I'm mature enough to take a compliment. I don't try to put everything into negative light and can appreciate someone sharing positive things they feel about me. If it turns into harassment, that's a different story and will be handled accordingly. However when you want to turn everything into someone oppressing you, that can cloud the lens a bit too I assume. I'd love to see a woman's reactions if a man flicked her off for them complimenting him. I can't believe I just read that, that's hilarious.
 
It's caught on - kind of like the "check your privilege" movement. It's why feminism isn't taken seriously anymore. Kind of like the War on Women that's trotted out every election cycle.

Hospital dress code is specifically trotted out bc women aren't dressing properly in the hospital and many of the times it is nurses that are reporting them to the medical school. So if it's slut shaming they hate, they should look at their own gender first.

That's another thing that's funny too. I always love hearing women b*tch about the clothing they can wear in a professional setting. Like men have literally 1 choice: shirt and tie versus women who can wear dresses, blouses and skirts, etc etc. Yet every time my school has something where professional dress is required, someone manages to screw that up and wear something racy. Just don't understand it.
 
It's caught on - kind of like the "check your privilege" movement. It's why feminism isn't taken seriously anymore. Kind of like the War on Women that's trotted out every election cycle.

Hospital dress code is specifically trotted out bc women aren't dressing properly in the hospital and many of the times it is nurses that are reporting them to the medical school. So if it's slut shaming they hate, they should look at their own gender first.
It is still by many women. Not necessarily because they feel oppressed or harassed, but because they want to be the victim, and they want to believe they're oppressed. And then they here the democrats telling them that the republicans are creating a war on women, that just reinforces their beliefs.
 
That's another thing that's funny too. I always love hearing women b*tch about the clothing they can wear in a professional setting. Like men have literally 1 choice: shirt and tie versus women who can wear dresses, blouses and skirts, etc etc. Yet every time my school has something where professional dress is required, someone manages to screw that up and wear something racy. Just don't understand it.

And you can bet the women will rage about any man who dares to look their way at their inappropriate dress, lol.
 
And you can bet the women will rage about any man who dares to look their way at their inappropriate dress, lol.
Yeah, when their breasts are practically falling out of their dress, and you look down for a split second, they excoriate you and say all you care about is sex etc. It's just ridiculous.
 
And you can bet the women will rage about any man who dares to look their way at their inappropriate dress, lol.

I think it's inappropriate to be like..hanging out of your very short tight low cut dress when you're with your significant other. Why attract that kind of attention from other people? The attention you get from your partner should be enough. You can look pretty without looking trashy. But maybe I'm old fashioned.
 
It is still by many women. Not necessarily because they feel oppressed or harassed, but because they want to be the victim, and they want to believe they're oppressed. And then they here the democrats telling them that the republicans are creating a war on women, that just reinforces their beliefs.
Yes, but in order for feminism to be appreciated, the other side (males) has to play. If not, then it's just preaching to choir. It's incidences like the above, when you bring down the hammer on even the most ridiculous of things and try to say getting a catcall is akin to sexual harassment, which is when feminism as a whole is taken less seriously.

The War on Women moniker is a tactic to rev up the base and so far it worked (at least with single mothers and single, young women) on those who don't know any better. That's why the White House can talk about "Equal Pay for Equal Work" while women at the WH are paid less than their male counterparts. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/u...-in-wages-his-own-payroll-draws-scrutiny.html
 
Yes, but in order for feminism to be appreciated, the other side (males) has to play. If not, then it's just preaching to choir. It's incidences like the above, when you bring down the hammer on even the most ridiculous of things and try to say getting a catcall is akin to sexual harassment, which is when feminism as a whole is taken less seriously.

The War on Women moniker is a tactic to rev up the base and so far it worked (at least with single mothers and single, young women) on those who don't know any better. That's why the White House can talk about "Equal Pay for Equal Work" while women at the WH are paid less than their male counterparts. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/u...-in-wages-his-own-payroll-draws-scrutiny.html
Man, so much hipocrisy. Obama complains about the fact that women payed significantly less than men, while he does the same.
 
Sure. Multiple times. But I don't get offended or assume the worst as if every girl is somehow trying to reduce me to a sexual object. Honestly, it really doesn't bother me and I've got far more important things to worry about than someone randomly calling me out for 2 seconds.

Hell, I was walking out of radiology yesterday a couple techs made a comment about how they "hate to see me leave but love to watch me go." I took it as a complement. Should I call the police and report it as sexual harassment?

I don't understand why some people are so overly sensitive and take everything so personally.

This thread and the stuck up med school girls one go hand and hand.

Sometimes I'd go to work -in a shady neighborhood- late in the evening, and on the way would happen upon a few guys who'd shout at me from the other side of the street saying "Hey, nice ass babe! What about you come over here and get on your knees? I'll give you $10." Occasionally, they'd be straight up in my face and I'd have to push them off.

So when I got to work, I didn't quite feel like getting "innocent" comments about my body or my looks, even from people I knew (even though I do have a nice butt... I'll give them that). Gladly enough, it never happened, but if it did, on one of those nights, I probably wouldn't have reacted well.


You just don't know where people come from, and should never make unwarranted comments like these techs did to you - not in your face at least. It's just inappropriate. For all they know, you could be sexually abused every night by your SO at home -it happens to males too-, or have an history of sexual harassment at work. Comments like that can genuinely break people, and it creates a toxic environment.
 
We find each other attractive.
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We're stuck up because we would like to actually be treated like a person instead of a sexual object?
Remember this when you're on MS-3 rotations to not use your gender as a way to garner better evaluations. Hopefully, there won't be a hypocritical change of heart then. As much as women feel they should be treated equally to men (nothing wrong with that), they seem to have a sudden change of heart, when they can use their gender to gain advantage.
 
Sometimes I'd go to work -in a shady neighborhood- late in the evening, and on the way would happen upon a few guys who'd shout at me from the other side of the street saying "Hey, nice ass babe! What about you come over here and get on your knees? I'll give you $10." Occasionally, they'd be straight up in my face and I'd have to push them off.

So when I got to work, I didn't quite feel like getting "innocent" comments about my body or my looks, even from people I knew (even though I do have a nice butt... I'll give them that). Gladly enough, it never happened, but if it did, on one of those nights, I probably wouldn't have reacted well.

You just don't know where people come from, and should never make unwarranted comments like these techs did to you - not in your face at least. It's just inappropriate. For all they know, you could be sexually abused every night by your SO at home -it happens to males too-, or have an history of sexual harassment at work. Comments like that can genuinely break people, and it creates a toxic environment.
Or we could do as Alpinism did and take it as a compliment and not make a federal case out of EVERY slight. If you're going to be easily offended by what people say, then the population you will be working with during residency at an academic medical center (Medicaid) will drive you nuts.
 
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