How to get into academia?

[MackandBlues]

Just wondering what it takes to obtain an academia position at a college of pharmacy. What kind of things do they look for on a CV and how to make yourself more competitive? FYI - I have a PGY1 and PGY2 and then 2.5 years working as a clinical pharmacist and currently living in a large metro area that has a couple pharmacy schools. Thanks!

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[bacillus1]

You could probably get a position at some pharmacy school somewhere. Just depends on exactly what each individual school looks for.

 

[PharmDstudent]

 

[pharm B]

Is it stated anywhere that a residency is required for Academia? Whenever I ask at my school, I'm told it's necessary, but is that just on an individual school basis?

 

[Ackj]

Is it stated anywhere that a residency is required for Academia? Whenever I ask at my school, I'm told it's necessary, but is that just on an individual school basis?

In order to dispense the kool-aid, one must drink the kool-aid first.

 

[CUpharmD2013]

Is it stated anywhere that a residency is required for Academia? Whenever I ask at my school, I'm told it's necessary, but is that just on an individual school basis?

I was told it depends on what you want to teach. A Pharm D with no residency training may be able to teach a generic pharmacy course such as Calculations, but if you want to teach something like Kinetics or Therapeutics you'll want a residency or PhD.

 

[pharm B]

I was told it depends on what you want to teach. A Pharm D with no residency training may be able to teach a generic pharmacy course such as Calculations, but if you want to teach something like Kinetics or Therapeutics you'll want a residency or PhD.

I want to do one of those important courses, like Communications.

 

[rxlea]

PhD with publications, especially at state schools. They love grants. Or, be a specialist in your field and teach that class. Depends on the school, though, and their supposed "standards". You can do an executive residency or a rotation in academia during a residency if the college is affiliated with your site. That's how it is here anyway.

 

[Notecard]

I think it depends on the school. At ours we have two departments, pharmaceutical sciences and pharmaceutical care.

The care department is mostly pharmacist clinicians and people who have done PGY1s and PGY2s and they teach all the therapeutics classes. The science department is all PhDs who do research and teach mechanisms and biochem classes. I'd say pick one of those areas and go with it.

 

[KARM12]

Just wondering what it takes to obtain an academia position at a college of pharmacy. What kind of things do they look for on a CV and how to make yourself more competitive? FYI - I have a PGY1 and PGY2 and then 2.5 years working as a clinical pharmacist and currently living in a large metro area that has a couple pharmacy schools. Thanks!

Do you precept students or residents? This is a good thing to have on your CV if you want to teach.

Have you given presentations/lectures or CE outside of your department?

Are you involved in research/projects? Publications?

Being strong in these above areas would be important for applying for faculty jobs.

 

[Rouelle]

I think it depends on the school. At ours we have two departments, pharmaceutical sciences and pharmaceutical care.

The care department is mostly pharmacist clinicians and people who have done PGY1s and PGY2s and they teach all the therapeutics classes. The science department is all PhDs who do research and teach mechanisms and biochem classes. I'd say pick one of those areas and go with it.

It is the same where I go to school. The clinical faculty are all pharmacists with some area of clinical practice. Most (with the exception of a few older ones) have done residencies. The pharmaceutical science faculty are virtually PhD level scientists. Some, but not all, have pharmacy degrees. Some have undergraduate pharmacy degrees from another country but have never practiced in the US.

 

[Jibby321]

Does anyone know how the salary and benefits in academia are like?

 

[croquemonsieur]

Just wondering what it takes to obtain an academia position at a college of pharmacy. What kind of things do they look for on a CV and how to make yourself more competitive? FYI - I have a PGY1 and PGY2 and then 2.5 years working as a clinical pharmacist and currently living in a large metro area that has a couple pharmacy schools. Thanks!

I thought you wanted to go to med school.

 

[Silent Cool]

Just wondering what it takes to obtain an academia position at a college of pharmacy. What kind of things do they look for on a CV and how to make yourself more competitive? FYI - I have a PGY1 and PGY2 and then 2.5 years working as a clinical pharmacist and currently living in a large metro area that has a couple pharmacy schools. Thanks!

Why on earth would you want to get into academia...

 

[rxlea]

Does anyone know how the salary and benefits in academia are like?

Public schools publish the salaries.

AACP also has averages on their site.

 

[Jibby321]

Public schools publish the salaries.

AACP also has averages on their site.

Thanks. I tried looking guess I didn't look in the right area.

 

[Sparda29]

I want to do one of those important courses, like Communications.

Yeah, I'd teach Ethics.

 

[297point1]

Why on earth would you want to get into academia...

It might have something to do with the 39 paid days of vacation, holidays, floating holidays, and the week of Christmas I get off every year. Aside from federal government work, that's tough to beat!

 

[Jibby321]

It might have something to do with the 39 paid days of vacation, holidays, floating holidays, and the week of Christmas I get off every year. Aside from federal government work, that's tough to beat!

For a pharmD is the salary similar to a traditional pharmacist? Also what about benefits? 401k and such?

 

[xiphoid2010]

It might have something to do with the 39 paid days of vacation, holidays, floating holidays, and the week of Christmas I get off every year. Aside from federal government work, that's tough to beat!

And being tenured means you can basically preach heresy and get away with it.

 

[xiphoid2010]

For a pharmD is the salary similar to a traditional pharmacist? Also what about benefits? 401k and such?

Academia pay is usually less than industry, but the job security and benefits often are better. its kinds of more like communism. I kid , I kid.

 

[Potential123]

If one wanted to do this part time and teach like an Ethics course or something, how much would he or she get paid? I looked at the AACP website but didn't believe it.

 

[rxlea]

If one wanted to do this part time and teach like an Ethics course or something, how much would he or she get paid? I looked at the AACP website but didn't believe it.

You didn't believe it?

Then go to a public state funded university and look up exactly what each professor makes. Public knowledge!

 

[297point1]

And being tenured means you can basically preach heresy and get away with it.

Tenure isn't all it's cracked up to be...if the administration wants to be rid of you, they can always find a way.
Still a fair amount of safety with tenure in public schools, but even that is slowly being chipped away.

If one wanted to do this part time and teach like an Ethics course or something, how much would he or she get paid? I looked at the AACP website but didn't believe it.

Part time (read: adjunct) pays squat, unless you can line up a sweet gig like this guy [almost] did: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/n...y-criticized-at-200000-shrinks-to-1.html?_r=0

 

[Potential123]

Tenure isn't all it's cracked up to be...if the administration wants to be rid of you, they can always find a way.
Still a fair amount of safety with tenure in public schools, but even that is slowly being chipped away.



Part time (read: adjunct) pays squat, unless you can line up a sweet gig like this guy [almost] did: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/n...y-criticized-at-200000-shrinks-to-1.html?_r=0

Like how much?

 

[type b pharmD]

Like how much?

Couple K per semester or year depending on how much you teach

Not sure if it is pharmacy applicable but s family member was an adjunct (ie prn lecturer) for a professional field at a highly respected school.. I think he made around $100/hour ... only worked about 20 hours per *year* though.

Worth it only for connections and resume.

In academia, full time teaching is ~10-20 hours per week. The rest is assorted academic duties.. part timers means you maybe teach a few hours per week at most

 

[Amicable Angora]

In order to dispense the kool-aid, one must drink the kool-aid first.

I laughed at this.

 

[EBT12]

Tenure isn't all it's cracked up to be...if the administration wants to be rid of you, they can always find a way.
Still a fair amount of safety with tenure in public schools, but even that is slowly being chipped away.
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At many schools, unless you have a PhD, you on the clinical track and there is no tenure. But, there is also not the stress of the tenure clock/ losing your job if you don't gain tenure.

 

[xiphoid2010]

At many schools, unless you have a PhD, you on the clinical track and there is no tenure. But, there is also not the stress of the tenure clock/ losing your job if you don't gain tenure.

Clinical track is usually up for review/renewal every 3 yrs or so. If I wanted clinical first and a bit and f teaching on the side, i would go private sector for higher pay and teach as an adjunct. If I had to go all in academia, I would go the research tenure track. Just my take.