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How to get out after 4 years?

Discussion in 'Military Medicine' started by navydentist, Sep 4, 2014.

  1. navydentist

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    You can refuse to accept orders that require an extension to your active duty obligation. Unless there is an order from the President, you cannot be required to serve beyond your contract term, unless you first agree to do so. The most likely thing the Navy will do is extend your present orders to your EAOS date and not move you anywhere.
     
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    Taking CONUS orders requires 2 years on station regardless of your EAOS. So if you took PCS orders when your current tour ends you would have to wait until 2017 to get out. It sounds like they are trying to get you to accept a crappy job right now that will line you up for getting out in 2016. Don't try and negotiate orders for your final year. orbitsurgMD is right, just tell them you want to extend your existing orders until your end of service.
     
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    ^^^Ditto^^

    I would recommend not taking another CONUS assignment. Each CONUS PCS order has a 2 year obligation. I also have a strong suspicion that the information you were given of being able to leave that PCS order after one year is bogus or a blatant lie. Just have them extend your assignment at your current duty location.
     
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    Sure but not much point. You have no basis to decline conus orders that don't lengthen your obliserv.


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    Did you tell your detailer you're getting out? If so, that would explain the ****ty treatment you're getting.
     
  10. orbitsurgMD

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    They can give your billet to someone else and leave your command overmanned. They can det you out to other places (unaccompanied, if you have a family) if you are overmanned and they need a dentist elsewhere, so you could be sent to a ship where they needed a dentist or somewhere remote, so there are ways they could use you if they needed that don't require you getting new PCS orders. They could break their rules and move you permanently, but they cannot force you to extend beyond your date of obligated service against your wishes.
     
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    What kind of operational billet are you going to? ship, vs usmc? (that might matter).
     
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    Should be same for all branches but I know through the army regulations it specifically addresses that a person can not be given orders that would extend beyond your ADSO. If that were to occur there is suppose to be counseling that occurs to actually warn you of this. Also if you don't agree then they can't force u to stay beyond your ADSO. The detailer can stick you in a ****ty assignment but only if they can get you moved in time that you again don't go beyond your ADSO. Conus moves incur 1 year ADSOs unless Hawaii and some other unique places. Oconus with family max 3 years. Certain situations and locations are in between.
    Likely your detailer is just a moron.
     
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    Where are you at?

    What are they offering?

    You can PM me if you are worried about being identified by someone in your chain of command.


    If they are offering you what sounds like decent duty, and taking it only means you have to serve there a full year, which would just be one month of extra time in service (if I'm understanding the dates and obligations correctly), then probably wouldn't be a bad thing to take it and go quietly. You probably already know that if you squawk too loud in the Navy Dental Corps, you are basically gonna get boned.


    I don't think they can extend your obligated service, unless something gets slipped by you because you accept it when you take a new duty station.


    The Navy was pretty bad about hosing you once they knew you were planning on getting out, when I was in.


    I still remember at morning quarters when the CO and Clinic Director were talking about hosing over a LT who was getting out, another Commander in the room blurted out "why the hell do we gotta give everybody a kick in the ass on their way out the door??".
     
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    That's not universally true. Most officers can get out pretty gracefully, there's a considerable amount of admin that needs to be done (taps class, etc), but once youre approved for separation you should be able to get it done without a hitch. Occasionally, there's the a**hole officer that feels the need to make a public display of his or her separation; that person might get some special attention. But otherwise, it's usually a smooth
    process once approved.

    Bupers actually takes end of obligation dates pretty seriously. To navydentist: can go ahead and request for separation when the time comes. Your chain of command will have to approve it, it takes more admin for them to actually deny it. Likewise with respect to PERS. unless there's a dire operational need to keep you where you're at, it'll likely be approved and you can separate
     
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    Agree with your statement, in general.

    Personally I had no problems with my own separation.



    I do see that you are a physician.
    Your experience in the Medical Corps is probably more dissimilar to the experience of a junior Navy Dental Officer than you might think.


    The corporate culture, if you will, has never been the same for medical and dental.
     
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    Yup. One last KITN. My favorite part of this was being told that everyone is surprised by it but its whats in the computer. I ended up taking a bunch of leave that I would have sold back and did a bunch of Tues-Thurs leave periods to maximize the benefit. I wouldn't have pulled that if I hadn't had to go back to my employer and beg them to let me start a month later.
     
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    Not really. It's four years from when you start your payback, which for most of us is 1 July after residency or internship graduation.
     
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    1jul start = august separation. Day of separation is up to your command. At least this is true for navy. Don't be surprised.
     
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    I showed up for internship 12 June, started my payback 1 July, and my ETS date reads 30 June. Literally every other person that I know that had similar starting conditions got out on 30 June (but left earlier due to taking one or two months of terminal leave)
     
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    My experience is what psychbender describes. Ended residency on 30 June, began payback on 1 July, will separate at the stroke of midnight on 2 July. For some reason the Army makes you separate one day after the completion of your contract. I guess there must be a difference between how the services handle this.
     
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    For Navy: Terminal leave is at the discretion of your command (0-infinity). Your separation date within your separation month is at the discretion of your command. Your separation month is calculated based on the month after your obligation ends.
    In my case: 30 days of separation leave. Allowed to separate on the first of the month. Still obligated 17 days past what I should have been based on my arrival date back to residency from GMO-land way 10 years prior. Could have been worse but still pissed me off that I was supposed to be grateful to be allowed to separate late.
     
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    That sucks. That's straight-up time theft.
     

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