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Hey all ya'll
(guess which state I'm from )
I've looked at the HPSP information on this forum and elsewhere and there were a few questions i couldn't seem to find the answers to.
I'm a junior in high school and I've very recently (read: two days ago) started to seriously look at going down the doctor route (sorry if the word "doctor" is a gross generalization, or using M.D. would be better... i don't know yet what specialty i would want to choose). I am currently wavering between HPSP and going the "civilian" way. If i get all the terminology wrong on this please understand i'm new to this.
My dad teaches at a university that is part of a "Council for Christian Colleges & Universities" (CCCU). As such, i can get free tuition at any of these colleges (sorry for the humongous list) organized by state.
Alabama Christian Colleges
Judson College
Arkansas Christian Colleges
John Brown University
Williams Baptist College
California Christian Colleges
Azusa Pacific University
Biola University
California Baptist University
Fresno Pacific University
Hope International University
Master's College & Seminary
Point Loma Nazarene University
Simpson University
Vanguard University
Westmont College
Colorado Christian Colleges
Colorado Christian University
Florida Christian Colleges
Palm Beach Atlantic University
Southeastern University
Warner Southern College
Georgia Christian Colleges
Covenant College
Idaho Christian Colleges
Northwest Nazarene University
Illinois Christian Colleges
Greenville College
Judson College
North Park University
Olivet Nazarene University
Trinity Christian College
Trinity International University
Wheaton College
Indiana Christian Colleges
Anderson University
Bethel College
Goshen College
Grace College & Seminary
Huntington University
Indiana Wesleyan University
Taylor University
Iowa Christian Colleges
Dordt College
Northwestern College--IA
Kansas Christian Colleges
MidAmerica Nazarene University
Sterling College
Tabor College
Kentucky Christian Colleges
Asbury College
Campbellsville University
Kentucky Christian University
Louisiana Christian Colleges
Louisiana College
Massachusetts
Eastern Nazarene College
Gordon College
Michigan Christian Colleges
Calvin College
Cornerstone University
Spring Arbor University
Minnesota Christian Colleges
Bethel University
Crown College
Northwestern College--MN
Mississippi Christian Colleges
Belhaven College
Mississippi College
Missouri Christian Colleges
College of the Ozarks
Evangel University
Missouri Baptist University
Southwest Baptist University
New York Christian Colleges
Houghton College
Nyack College
Roberts Wesleyan College
North Carolina Christian Colleges
Montreat College
Ohio Christian Colleges
Bluffton University
Cedarville University
Malone College
Mount Vernon Nazarene University
Oklahoma Christian Colleges
Oklahoma Baptist University
Oklahoma Christian University
Oklahoma Wesleyan University
Oral Roberts University
Southern Nazarene University
Oregon Christian Colleges
Corban College
George Fox University
Northwest Christian College
Warner Pacific College
Pennsylvania Christian Colleges
Eastern University
Geneva College
Messiah College
Waynesburg College
South Carolina Christian Colleges
Erskine College
North Greenville College
Southern Wesleyan University
South Dakota
University of Sioux Falls
Tennessee Christian Colleges
Bryan College
Carson-Newman College
Crichton College
King College
Lee University
Lipscomb University
Milligan College
Trevecca Nazarene University
Union University
Texas Christian Colleges
Abilene Christian University
Dallas Baptist University
East Texas Baptist University
Hardin-Simmons University
Houston Baptist University
Howard Payne University
LeTourneau University
Wayland Baptist University
Virginia Christian Colleges
Eastern Mennonite University
Washington Christian Colleges
Northwest University
Seattle Pacific University
Trinity Western University
Whitworth College
Now, of course, not all of those will even have pre-med programs, but this brings me to my questions.
1. Do you recognize any college in there that you know has a good pre-med program? (the only one i've found with a pre-med program from the limited exploration i've done is huntington)
2. I have not found this explicitly stated anywhere in my searching, but i am assuming that you wouldn't apply for an HPSP until your junior year of college (after taking the MCAT?). Also, at what point are you committed to HPSP? Would it be possible to take the MCAT then see if any medical schools are interested in you, and decide at that point between HPSP and going to a medical school on your own?
3. That brings up another question, do medical schools offer scholarships (I.E. fight over) those who do well on the MCAT?
Really if they do offer scholarships i think there is a good chance i might get one. i took the SAT when i was 14 and got a 1340, i haven't taken it a second time yet. Also i am taking dual credit classes at the university where my dad teaches (by the end of this semester i will have completed all the math required for most engineering degrees, with a 4.0... assuming i don't botch any tests coming up ).
4. Is it true that your major in college is irrelevant as long as you complete the required biology/chemistry/etc courses? For example, could i major in Mechanical engineering, throw in a math minor (because i basically have one already), and complete the required biology/chemistry/etc classes? (assuming i can handle this workload of course!)
5. Along the same lines as the last question, would it be possible to major at a college that has no pre-med program, and organize volunteering at the local hospital yourself (assuming it's a reasonably large hospital) and still be accepted into a medical school (or HPSP for that matter) after taking the MCAT... that is even if you can take the MCAT at a school with no pre-med program
more specifically HPSP questions:
6. I don't mind doing a GMO (in the navy) as the journey is just as important as the destination for me (and a GMO seems like a good experience). i was wondering though, does the GMO count towards "pay back" time? (i know the 6 month training in the navy FS GMO counts but i'm not sure about the rest). Also i am assuming the residency doesn't count as pay back time.
7. How long (it might vary don't know, but average if it does) are you in the "reserves" after completing pay back time? (I.E. how long is it that they still have the right to request you anytime they feel like it) [edit] actually i think i figured this out, seems if you do 4 years of pay back time then you are in their "reserves" for 4 years after that.
8. How does coming from a HPSP affect you once you are out of it? Do hospitals look down at you as one of "them"? are you even "licensed" to practice outside of the military? If i did go through with all this, it would be because of my faith, so i'm just trying to figure out how open i would be to whatever God might want me to do.
9. Overall, would you say you end up with more or less useful medical experience from going the HPSP route?
ok, that's a lot of questions and i hope i asked them all. Basically i don't mind spending the extra time that seems to be required in HPSP, and i feel like it would leave my options slightly more open in the sense that i'd actually have money when i finished, but slightly restricted as i would sort of owned by the military... another factor is that i think i would enjoy the military aspect of it, i have thought about joining the marines in the past (though i decided against it). but i don't want to do HPSP just because i think it would be fun.
on the other hand if it's possible to get a scholarship to a medical school i might just try to do that.
thanks in advance! i'm leaving tomorrow morning for mexico and won't be back for a week, so don't think i abandoned this thread, i'll be back! (& i'll be checking it before i leave)
--Peter
(guess which state I'm from )
I've looked at the HPSP information on this forum and elsewhere and there were a few questions i couldn't seem to find the answers to.
I'm a junior in high school and I've very recently (read: two days ago) started to seriously look at going down the doctor route (sorry if the word "doctor" is a gross generalization, or using M.D. would be better... i don't know yet what specialty i would want to choose). I am currently wavering between HPSP and going the "civilian" way. If i get all the terminology wrong on this please understand i'm new to this.
My dad teaches at a university that is part of a "Council for Christian Colleges & Universities" (CCCU). As such, i can get free tuition at any of these colleges (sorry for the humongous list) organized by state.
Alabama Christian Colleges
Judson College
Arkansas Christian Colleges
John Brown University
Williams Baptist College
California Christian Colleges
Azusa Pacific University
Biola University
California Baptist University
Fresno Pacific University
Hope International University
Master's College & Seminary
Point Loma Nazarene University
Simpson University
Vanguard University
Westmont College
Colorado Christian Colleges
Colorado Christian University
Florida Christian Colleges
Palm Beach Atlantic University
Southeastern University
Warner Southern College
Georgia Christian Colleges
Covenant College
Idaho Christian Colleges
Northwest Nazarene University
Illinois Christian Colleges
Greenville College
Judson College
North Park University
Olivet Nazarene University
Trinity Christian College
Trinity International University
Wheaton College
Indiana Christian Colleges
Anderson University
Bethel College
Goshen College
Grace College & Seminary
Huntington University
Indiana Wesleyan University
Taylor University
Iowa Christian Colleges
Dordt College
Northwestern College--IA
Kansas Christian Colleges
MidAmerica Nazarene University
Sterling College
Tabor College
Kentucky Christian Colleges
Asbury College
Campbellsville University
Kentucky Christian University
Louisiana Christian Colleges
Louisiana College
Massachusetts
Eastern Nazarene College
Gordon College
Michigan Christian Colleges
Calvin College
Cornerstone University
Spring Arbor University
Minnesota Christian Colleges
Bethel University
Crown College
Northwestern College--MN
Mississippi Christian Colleges
Belhaven College
Mississippi College
Missouri Christian Colleges
College of the Ozarks
Evangel University
Missouri Baptist University
Southwest Baptist University
New York Christian Colleges
Houghton College
Nyack College
Roberts Wesleyan College
North Carolina Christian Colleges
Montreat College
Ohio Christian Colleges
Bluffton University
Cedarville University
Malone College
Mount Vernon Nazarene University
Oklahoma Christian Colleges
Oklahoma Baptist University
Oklahoma Christian University
Oklahoma Wesleyan University
Oral Roberts University
Southern Nazarene University
Oregon Christian Colleges
Corban College
George Fox University
Northwest Christian College
Warner Pacific College
Pennsylvania Christian Colleges
Eastern University
Geneva College
Messiah College
Waynesburg College
South Carolina Christian Colleges
Erskine College
North Greenville College
Southern Wesleyan University
South Dakota
University of Sioux Falls
Tennessee Christian Colleges
Bryan College
Carson-Newman College
Crichton College
King College
Lee University
Lipscomb University
Milligan College
Trevecca Nazarene University
Union University
Texas Christian Colleges
Abilene Christian University
Dallas Baptist University
East Texas Baptist University
Hardin-Simmons University
Houston Baptist University
Howard Payne University
LeTourneau University
Wayland Baptist University
Virginia Christian Colleges
Eastern Mennonite University
Washington Christian Colleges
Northwest University
Seattle Pacific University
Trinity Western University
Whitworth College
Now, of course, not all of those will even have pre-med programs, but this brings me to my questions.
1. Do you recognize any college in there that you know has a good pre-med program? (the only one i've found with a pre-med program from the limited exploration i've done is huntington)
2. I have not found this explicitly stated anywhere in my searching, but i am assuming that you wouldn't apply for an HPSP until your junior year of college (after taking the MCAT?). Also, at what point are you committed to HPSP? Would it be possible to take the MCAT then see if any medical schools are interested in you, and decide at that point between HPSP and going to a medical school on your own?
3. That brings up another question, do medical schools offer scholarships (I.E. fight over) those who do well on the MCAT?
Really if they do offer scholarships i think there is a good chance i might get one. i took the SAT when i was 14 and got a 1340, i haven't taken it a second time yet. Also i am taking dual credit classes at the university where my dad teaches (by the end of this semester i will have completed all the math required for most engineering degrees, with a 4.0... assuming i don't botch any tests coming up ).
4. Is it true that your major in college is irrelevant as long as you complete the required biology/chemistry/etc courses? For example, could i major in Mechanical engineering, throw in a math minor (because i basically have one already), and complete the required biology/chemistry/etc classes? (assuming i can handle this workload of course!)
5. Along the same lines as the last question, would it be possible to major at a college that has no pre-med program, and organize volunteering at the local hospital yourself (assuming it's a reasonably large hospital) and still be accepted into a medical school (or HPSP for that matter) after taking the MCAT... that is even if you can take the MCAT at a school with no pre-med program
more specifically HPSP questions:
6. I don't mind doing a GMO (in the navy) as the journey is just as important as the destination for me (and a GMO seems like a good experience). i was wondering though, does the GMO count towards "pay back" time? (i know the 6 month training in the navy FS GMO counts but i'm not sure about the rest). Also i am assuming the residency doesn't count as pay back time.
7. How long (it might vary don't know, but average if it does) are you in the "reserves" after completing pay back time? (I.E. how long is it that they still have the right to request you anytime they feel like it) [edit] actually i think i figured this out, seems if you do 4 years of pay back time then you are in their "reserves" for 4 years after that.
8. How does coming from a HPSP affect you once you are out of it? Do hospitals look down at you as one of "them"? are you even "licensed" to practice outside of the military? If i did go through with all this, it would be because of my faith, so i'm just trying to figure out how open i would be to whatever God might want me to do.
9. Overall, would you say you end up with more or less useful medical experience from going the HPSP route?
ok, that's a lot of questions and i hope i asked them all. Basically i don't mind spending the extra time that seems to be required in HPSP, and i feel like it would leave my options slightly more open in the sense that i'd actually have money when i finished, but slightly restricted as i would sort of owned by the military... another factor is that i think i would enjoy the military aspect of it, i have thought about joining the marines in the past (though i decided against it). but i don't want to do HPSP just because i think it would be fun.
on the other hand if it's possible to get a scholarship to a medical school i might just try to do that.
thanks in advance! i'm leaving tomorrow morning for mexico and won't be back for a week, so don't think i abandoned this thread, i'll be back! (& i'll be checking it before i leave)
--Peter