I hate being a California resident

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I feel your pain brosky.
 
Mad Jack said:
Move? Apply broadly to OOS schools? There's plenty of states that have it worse than California, so quit your complaining.
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I don't think you get it. The GPA/MCAT cutoff to get into a California school is so much higher than getting into a state school in another state. Many of them are Asian AND Californian which sucks even more.
 
DermViser said:
I don't think you get it. The GPA/MCAT cutoff to get into a California school is so much higher than getting into a state school in another state. Many of them are Asian AND Californian which sucks even more.
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There's plenty of schools without an in-state bias to which a California resident can apply. I've looked into this before, and there are several states that have lower overall acceptance rates for applicants than CA. They should feel fortunate that they have such a large number of high-quality research institutions that take mostly California residents.
 
I LOVE being an Ohio resident right now. Seven medical schools in-state, lots in contiguous states, many with low cutoffs.

Have a premed friend who moved to Ohio awhile ago just to get residency before applying. Looks like a good move.

OP, you should apply several Ohio schools. There aren't enough IS students to fill the seats. Once you get used to the weather, it's a nice state.
 
zzxxzz said:
I LOVE being an Ohio resident right now. Seven medical schools in-state, lots in contiguous states, many with low cutoffs.

Have a premed friend who moved to Ohio awhile ago just to get residency before applying. Looks like a good move.

OP, you should apply several Ohio schools. There aren't enough IS students to fill the seats. Once you get used to the weather, it's a nice state.
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Good to know!
 
Mad Jack said:
There's plenty of schools without an in-state bias to which a California resident can apply. I've looked into this before, and there are several states that have lower overall acceptance rates for applicants than CA. They should feel fortunate that they have such a large number of high-quality research institutions that take mostly California residents.
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Acceptance rate means nothing without averages.
 
Mad Jack said:
There's plenty of schools without an in-state bias to which a California resident can apply. I've looked into this before, and there are several states that have lower overall acceptance rates for applicants than CA. They should feel fortunate that they have such a large number of high-quality research institutions that take mostly California residents.
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As much as I hate to see these same types of threads popping up over and over, UC is by far the most difficult state medical school to get into.

I'd be willing to bet that those other schools you mention get a lot of non-competitive, marginal applicants, so low admit rate doesn't mean much.
 
Why? you guys make up 3 percent of the total U.S population but like 25 percent of the med school population @Halfdolphy
 
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Mad Jack said:
There's plenty of schools without an in-state bias to which a California resident can apply. I've looked into this before, and there are several states that have lower overall acceptance rates for applicants than CA. They should feel fortunate that they have such a large number of high-quality research institutions that take mostly California residents.
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Overall acceptance rates to their state schools? Or to any medical school?
 
lmn said:
Overall acceptance rates to their state schools? Or to any medical school?
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To any medical school. There's plenty of states that don't even have their own medical schools FFS. I just don't get why people are so butthurt that they might have to go to school out of state.
 
Mad Jack said:
To any medical school. There's plenty of states that don't even have their own medical schools FFS. I just don't get why people are so butthurt that they might have to go to school out of state.
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I don't think that's really that helpful then, even if you just looked around SDN, California students seem to apply on average to a substantial amount more schools than people with better IS preference. And I think many California applicants are more aware and accepting of the fact that they will likely have to move very far across the country to attend schools, much more commonly you see people from other states not willing to move very far from their home area/state.
 
listener23 said:
Why? you guys make up 3 percent of the total U.S population but like 25 percent of the med school population
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Can you please stop posting? You are so embarrassing. Asians make up around 5% of the US population. You seem to be unable to get any stats or fact right in any of your posts.
 
Fabio Lanzoni said:
Can you please stop posting? You are so embarrassing. Asians make up around 5% of the US population. You seem to be unable to get any stats or fact right in any of your posts.
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4.8 percent if your gonna be a jerk about it. The point was to say that a people with such a low population percent make up a high percent of its healthcare representation
 
listener23 said:
4.8 percent if you gonna be a jerk about it. And the point was to say that a people with such a low population percent make up a high percent of its healthcare representation
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And their standard of admissions are much higher than other groups, what are you even trying to say? Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?
 
lmn said:
And their standard of admissions are much higher than other groups, what are you even trying to say? Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?
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Its not that standard admission is higher its the population of application that are asian have higher stats on average.... Do you know what you're taking about?
 
listener23 said:
Its not that standard admission is higher its the population of application that are asian have higher stats on average.... Do you know what you're taking about?
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https://www.aamc.org/download/321516/data/2013factstable25-3.pdf
https://www.aamc.org/download/321518/data/2013factstable25-4.pdf
https://www.aamc.org/download/321512/data/2013factstable25-1.pdf

Go ahead and look at those and then tell me how that is saying that there aren't higher admission standards for asians. For stats that would gain near 88% of hispanics admission, and and 65% of whites admission, only 61% of asians are admitted. Now tell me how that is higher stat averages and not higher bars of admission.
 
listener23 said:
Its not that standard admission is higher its the population of application that are asian have higher stats on average.... Do you know what you're taking about?
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A review of acceptance data reveals that Asian applicants are routinely rejected with stats that would get a white person accepted. Same for undergrad, by the way.
 
Oh great, another "I have it worse than you" flame war. I understand some of the frustrations, but be happy that you have the opportunity to apply to med school. Not everyone is that fortunate.
 
zzxxzz said:
A review of acceptance data reveals that Asian applicants are routinely rejected with stats that would get a white person accepted. Same for undergrad, by the way.
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I wonder if this guy thinks that acceptance to undergrad also is just higher average stats 🙄

Not surprised he doesn't understand this when a quick check of his post history includes talking about thigh gaps on a forum like SDN...
 
zzxxzz said:
A review of acceptance data reveals that Asian applicants are routinely rejected with stats that would get a white person accepted. Same for undergrad, by the way.
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lmn said:
https://www.aamc.org/download/321516/data/2013factstable25-3.pdf
https://www.aamc.org/download/321518/data/2013factstable25-4.pdf
https://www.aamc.org/download/321512/data/2013factstable25-1.pdf

Go ahead and look at those and then tell me how that is saying that there aren't higher admission standards for asians. For stats that would gain near 88% of hispanics admission, and and 65% of whites admission, only 61% of asians are admitted. Now tell me how that is higher stat averages and not higher bars of admission.
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An adcom wants a diverse program, so of course many more of the black applicants with 3.3/27 will get picked over some of the 3.3/27 asians because the other asian applicants on average have much stronger number and a similar stories. Medical school is not a reward for applicants with the highest gpa and mcat. A large majority of minority applicants grow up with disadvantaged back grounds. Disadvantage background breeds humble and interesting people and not just high mcat scoring robots. Theres more to being a doctor than just having the highest mcat and step 1 score.
 
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listener23 said:
Its not that standard admission is higher its the population of application that are asian have higher stats on average.... Do you know what you're taking about?
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What you just wrote doesn't make any sense unless you use, as your standard of admission, someone's stats relative to others of his race as opposed to his stats relative to other people who are applying. In that case, the standards of admission for Asians are way lower than for other races, but I doubt many people understand standard of admission to mean your rank within your race.
 
listener23 said:
An adcom wants a diverse program, so of course many more of the black applicants with 3.3/27 will get picked over some of the 3.3/27 asians because the other asian applicants on average have much stronger number and a similar stories. Medical school is not a reward for applicants with the highest gpa and mcat. A large majority of minority applicants grow up with disadvantaged back grounds. Disadvantage background breeds humble and interesting people and not just high mcat scoring robot. Theres more to being a doctor than just having the highest mcat and step 1 score.
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The bolded part reminds me of obese/overweight people who would call me a roid head/meathead/narcissist for being in great shape back when I was a bodybuilder. I wasn't even huge, just muscular and lean, so it isn't even like the monster looking people who compete in the Mr. Olympia who could realistically be called unattractive for going too far. Really they were just lazy and jealous and that is how it sounds when someone calls Asians high scoring robots.
 
Cyberdyne 101 said:
And here we go...
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Nope I'm just going to stop responding. I refuse to get pulled into another URM debate with disgruntled ORM's who refuse to accept that in order to improve healthcare for blacks and hispanics we need to increase there representation in medicine. You don't need a 3.7 GPA and 31 MCAT score to survive medical school. A kid with a 3.4 and 25 would fair just as easily
 
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lmn said:
I wonder if this guy thinks that acceptance to undergrad also is just higher average stats 🙄

Not surprised he doesn't understand this when a quick check of his post history includes talking about thigh gaps on a forum like SDN...
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Also, quoteing someone out of context is so FOX news. I wouldn't expect that sort of behavior from a medical student....
 
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V5RED said:
The bolded part reminds me of obese/overweight people who would call me a roid head/meathead/narcissist for being in great shape back when I was a bodybuilder. I wasn't even huge, just muscular and lean, so it isn't even like the monster looking people who compete in the Mr. Olympia who could realistically be called unattractive for going too far. Really they were just lazy and jealous and that is how it sounds when someone calls Asians high scoring robots.
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So you were like Stallone in Cobra.
 
Cyberdyne 101 said:
So you were like Stallone in Cobra.
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lol idk what he looked like in that movie, but I would say I was similar in build to Cody Rhodes, though after putting on a lot of relationship gut and the subsequent post relationship binging(exaccerbated by my baking abilities) I am now closer to Dusty Rhodes. 🙂
 
V5RED said:
lol idk what he looked like in that movie, but I would say I was similar in build to Cody Rhodes, though after putting on a lot of relationship gut and the subsequent post relationship binging(exaccerbated by my baking abilities) I am now closer to Dusty Rhodes. 🙂
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Yeah, he was jacked in Rocky 4. But then again, he was up against Dolph Lundgren . He looked leaner in Cobra, which I guess is more appropriate for a bad cop movie.
 
V5RED said:
lol idk what he looked like in that movie, but I would say I was similar in build to Cody Rhodes, though after putting on a lot of relationship gut and the subsequent post relationship binging(exaccerbated by my baking abilities) I am now closer to Dusty Rhodes. 🙂
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Funny, I tell people I looked like a slightly smaller Thor Bjornsson when I was powerlifting (true) but now I look like modern-day Arnold when he wakes up 🙁


Luckily I heard you have lots and lots of free time to lift in med school so that'll be awesome!!!
 
Mad Jack said:
Maybe I'm from a state that has it worse and I really hate people complaining when they have it better than me. I could just be annoyed at all these gorram whiners because I just don't like whining on principle. The world may never know.
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Hahahahhaha worse than Cali? Come on dude. Every single med school in Cali has a 33 average Mcat with 3.7-3.8 GPA. Almost every state has schools with mcats around 29-30.
 
SynapticDoctah said:
Hahahahhaha worse than Cali? Come on dude. Every single med school in Cali has a 33 average Mcat with 3.7-3.8 GPA. Almost every state has schools with mcats around 29-30.
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Is it really that low with all the hype? My school has an average MCAT of 33 and an average GPA of 3.75 and it is the SUNY with the lowest admission standards in terms of GPA/MCAT. Almost all of the matriculants are from NY, so it isn't like there are special low numbers to get in as a resident either.

edit: those are for accepted applicants, I think the matriculant numbers are lower, so maybe that is it
edit 2: I checked the website and the stats are definitely a bit lower for matriculants, ~31 MCAT and 3.63 for people that graduated last year. It is probably higher now though since that is for people who got in 5 years ago.
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Well I'm just not competitive at most so there is no use applying. I have a 3.4/31
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I met a Sinai med student not along ago that had a 31 MCAT. He didn't tell me his GPA (but said it wasn't that high). He was a non-URM. I realize this isn't common, but you never know.
 
Also remember that SDN is definitely not representative of the US pre-med population =P
 
listener23 said:
An adcom wants a diverse program, so of course many more of the black applicants with 3.3/27 will get picked over some of the 3.3/27 asians because the other asian applicants on average have much stronger number and a similar stories. Medical school is not a reward for applicants with the highest gpa and mcat. A large majority of minority applicants grow up with disadvantaged back grounds. Disadvantage background breeds humble and interesting people and not just high mcat scoring robot. Theres more to being a doctor than just having the highest mcat and step 1 score.
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What the hell are you even talking about? I didn't include AA specifically because of their URM status, I compared primarily against White because that is another ORM group. And the table shows that asians with the same stats as white indeed have a lower chance of being accepted, because the bar is higher for asians. Stop trying to change this into a URM argument to cover the fact that you were wrong in saying that it was only due to higher average stats of asians.

listener23 said:
Also, quoteing someone out of context is so FOX news. I wouldn't expect that sort of behavior from a medical student....
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Out of context? Would you have liked me to include your statement of loving black girls? Your posts show a lack of understanding about many different topics, attempts to misconstrue statements and topics to cover your mistakes, and on top of that the lack of knowledge of even what kind of discussion is appropriate in particular community setting. Grow up.
 
SynapticDoctah said:
Hahahahhaha worse than Cali? Come on dude. Every single med school in Cali has a 33 average Mcat with 3.7-3.8 GPA. Almost every state has schools with mcats around 29-30.
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There are some states that have zero state medical schools and either no guaranteed seats elsewhere or a handful of reserved seats at an out of state school where they are given preference. You're no worse off than them.
 
lmn said:
What the hell are you even talking about? I didn't include AA specifically because of their URM status, I compared primarily against White because that is another ORM group. And the table shows that asians with the same stats as white indeed have a lower chance of being accepted, because the bar is higher for asians. Stop trying to change this into a URM argument to cover the fact that you were wrong in saying that it was only due to higher average stats of asians.


Out of context? Would you have liked me to include your statement of loving black girls? Your posts show a lack of understanding about many different topics, attempts to misconstrue statements and topics to cover your mistakes, and on top of that the lack of knowledge of even what kind of discussion is appropriate in particular community setting. Grow up.
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