I hate being a California resident

[zzxxzz]

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What states have it the best?

Florida, Ohio, Texas???

Ohio and Michigan are nice because they have a wide array of schools. Ohio has low-range (NEOMED, OUHCOM which is DO), mid-low range (Wright, Toledo), mid/upper-mid (Cincinnati, Ohio State) and high-end (Case). Lot of these schools (MSUCOM, Cincy) are very cheap for IS. Also, some east/west coasters don't want to live in the Midwest for various reasons, cutting down the pool. I'd say Tennessee (4 schools I think) and Kentucky (3 schools) also have it pretty good, for IS students anyway.

If you just want to get into med school, deep south is where it's at. Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi all have big IS biases. UMiss has a mediam MCAT score of 28 and only accepts IS. Alabama and Louisiana each have 3 schools and not many applicants.

And how about U of North Dakota? 110 IS applicants, 106 IS interviews, 49 IS acceptances? Can't argue with that.

Texas and Florida don't have it good because, despite having lots of schools, they also have a TON of qualified IS applicants. Ohio and Michigan don't.

 

[WillburCobb]

What states have it the best?

Florida, Ohio, Texas???

NoDak😎. Those just south of us aren't too bad off either.

 

[WillburCobb]

Ohio and Michigan are nice because they have a wide array of schools. Ohio has low-range (NEOMED, OUHCOM which is DO), mid-low range (Wright, Toledo), mid/upper-mid (Cincinnati, Ohio State) and high-end (Case). Lot of these schools (MSUCOM, Cincy) are very cheap for IS. Also, some east/west coasters don't want to live in the Midwest for various reasons, cutting down the pool. I'd say Tennessee (4 schools I think) and Kentucky (3 schools) also have it pretty good, for IS students anyway.

If you just want to get into med school, deep south is where it's at. Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi all have big IS biases. UMiss has a mediam MCAT score of 28 and only accepts IS. Alabama and Louisiana each have 3 schools and not many applicants.

And how about U of North Dakota? 110 IS applicants, 106 IS interviews, 49 IS acceptances? Can't argue with that.

Texas and Florida don't have it good because, despite having lots of schools, they also have a TON of qualified IS applicants. Ohio and Michigan don't.

Those numbers for UND are just a bit off they're actually slightly higher.

 

[Optimus-Prime]

Ohio and Michigan are nice because they have a wide array of schools. Ohio has low-range (NEOMED, OUHCOM which is DO), mid-low range (Wright, Toledo), mid/upper-mid (Cincinnati, Ohio State) and high-end (Case). Lot of these schools (MSUCOM, Cincy) are very cheap for IS. Also, some east/west coasters don't want to live in the Midwest for various reasons, cutting down the pool. I'd say Tennessee (4 schools I think) and Kentucky (3 schools) also have it pretty good, for IS students anyway.

If you just want to get into med school, deep south is where it's at. Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi all have big IS biases. UMiss has a mediam MCAT score of 28 and only accepts IS. Alabama and Louisiana each have 3 schools and not many applicants.

And how about U of North Dakota? 110 IS applicants, 106 IS interviews, 49 IS acceptances? Can't argue with that.

Texas and Florida don't have it good because, despite having lots of schools, they also have a TON of qualified IS applicants. Ohio and Michigan don't.

The IS bias is huge for the small states too, especially my native New Mexico

289 IS apps
272 IS II
96 matriculated

... why did I ever move

 

[zzxxzz]

Those numbers for UND are just a bit off they're actually slightly higher.

Other states that have it good:
South Dakota: ~40% IS matriculation rate
New Mexico: ~33% IS matriculation rate
Arkansas: ~50% IS matriculation rate
Vermont: ~40% IS matriculation rate
WV: ~55% IS matriculation rate across both schools. Also, SO CHEAP.

 

[listener23]

What the hell are you even talking about? I didn't include AA specifically because of their URM status, I compared primarily against White because that is another ORM group. And the table shows that asians with the same stats as white indeed have a lower chance of being accepted, because the bar is higher for asians. Stop trying to change this into a URM argument to cover the fact that you were wrong in saying that it was only due to higher average stats of asians.


Out of context? Would you have liked me to include your statement of loving black girls? Your posts show a lack of understanding about many different topics, attempts to misconstrue statements and topics to cover your mistakes, and on top of that the lack of knowledge of even what kind of discussion is appropriate in particular community setting. Grow up.

You have a problem with black women? Also Whites are not considered ORM's, Whites make up 72.4 percent of the U.S population and large majority of medical school seats ( as it should be) But asian only make up 4.8 percent of the US population but 25 percent medical seats ( Hence the term Over Represented in Medicine) or even ( Over Represented Minority )

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

Damn, I sparked a heated conversation haha

 

[BamaNicole]

Its hard being a california applicant. I don't think people understand the sheer volume of applicants (a vast majority of them very qualified) that in the state. When you have that swarm of people applied for limited spots....it makes it hard to have a shot.

You're right...there are some schools that have an instate bias but there's thousands of qualified instate applicants applying for those spots. That's what makes being california applicant so hard. Thats why 2/3 of applicants have to go out of state for med school.

 

[mysdnhandle]

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[Cyberdyne 101]

Damn, I sparked a heated conversation haha

Well yeah. This is a pre-med board and med school admissions is easily the most heated topic possible.

 

[allantois]

I hate that DNPs are trained in dermatology, while MDs can't get into a dermatology residency with incredible stats, research, etc

 

[UTUT]

How about Virginia?

Anyone has stats for VA? I only know almost all public VA schools have almost 50% OOS matriculants.

 

[zzxxzz]

How about Virginia?

Anyone has stats for VA? I only know almost all public VA schools have almost 50% OOS matriculants.

We're looking at the matriculation rate for IS applicants, not the % of matriculants who are IS.

If you assume overlap and that the same 1000 VA students applied to all 3 VA public MD schools, about a quarter of IS applicants matriculate. Hard to estimate because the different VA schools vary in competitiveness.

 

[gyngyn]

We're looking at the matriculation rate for IS applicants, not the % of matriculants who are IS.

If you assume overlap and that the same 1000 VA students applied to all 3 VA public MD schools, about a quarter of IS applicants matriculate. Hard to estimate because the different VA schools vary in competitiveness.

The number of IS VA matriculates is 263/1125 for 23.4%, to be exact!

 

[DermViser]

I hate that DNPs are trained in dermatology, while MDs can't get into a dermatology residency with incredible stats, research, etc

They're not but they can practice it.

 

[WillburCobb]

Other states that have it good:
South Dakota: ~40% IS matriculation rate
New Mexico: ~33% IS matriculation rate
Arkansas: ~50% IS matriculation rate
Vermont: ~40% IS matriculation rate
WV: ~55% IS matriculation rate across both schools. Also, SO CHEAP.

Just double checked the data I have from the 2012-2013 cycle at UND - 93 IS interviews and 52 IS acceptances for a 56% chance of an acceptance as an IS interviewed applicant. Not sure how many IS applications but I'm pretty sure it's close to the number you posted previously.

 

[mrh125]

Your stats are better than mine, try being a CA resident with a sub-30 mcat. now that's rough.

 

[jacksonlikesturtles]

You have a problem with black women? Also Whites are not considered ORM's, Whites make up 72.4 percent of the U.S population and large majority of medical school seats ( as it should be) But asian only make up 4.8 percent of the US population but 25 percent medical seats ( Hence the term Over Represented in Medicine) or even ( Over Represented Minority )

Edited: a bit too harsh

Just stop posting

 

[DermViser]

You have a problem with black women? Also Whites are not considered ORM's, Whites make up 72.4 percent of the U.S population and large majority of medical school seats ( as it should be) But asian only make up 4.8 percent of the US population but 25 percent medical seats ( Hence the term Over Represented in Medicine) or even ( Over Represented Minority )

 

[zzxxzz]

You have a problem with black women? Also Whites are not considered ORM's, Whites make up 72.4 percent of the U.S population and large majority of medical school seats ( as it should be) But asian only make up 4.8 percent of the US population but 25 percent medical seats ( Hence the term Over Represented in Medicine) or even ( Over Represented Minority )

Nearly 30% of white doctors are Jewish. This means Christians are underrepresented in medicine!

 

[darklabel]

Yeah, all my interviews had a group of Californians and I was usually the only one from my state or only a few other. It sucks being from Cali and I can't imagine the added nerf of being an ORM and from Cali, ouch.

Texas and Florida don't have it good because, despite having lots of schools, they also have a TON of qualified IS applicants. Ohio and Michigan don't.

Yeah I agree with this. I know FL is definitely better than Cali, but its not unheard of for qualified applicants to have to go elsewhere. We have one of the top feeder schools (UF) with the number of premeds applying from there alone can fill every medical school here and than some.

 

[gyngyn]

Yeah I agree with this. I know FL is definitely better than Cali, but its not unheard of for qualified applicants to have to go elsewhere. We have one of the top feeder schools (UF) with the number of premeds applying from there alone can fill every medical school here and than some.

FL matriculates 709 of 2773 IS for 25.6%. CA matriculates 888 of 5692 for 15.6%.
3 of Florida's public schools have median MCAT's of 31 and one is 29.
All of CA's non-mission based public schools have higher medians (some much higher) .

 

[mrh125]

Yeah, all my interviews had a group of Californians and I was usually the only one from my state or only a few other. It sucks being from Cali and I can't imagine the added nerf of being an ORM and from Cali, ouch.



Yeah I agree with this. I know FL is definitely better than Cali, but its not unheard of for qualified applicants to have to go elsewhere. We have one of the top feeder schools (UF) with the number of premeds applying from there alone can fill every medical school here and than some.

CA residency+ under 30 MCAT is even more of a stroke of black luck, due to how competitive our state schools are. the only CA options for a 27-29 mcat are UC Riverside if you fit the mission, loma linda if you want to give up coffee, alcohol, and sex, and UC Davis if you're extremely lucky. At least FL and TX schools accept those with mcats in that range.

 

[listener23]

Yea my pre-med advisor separates whites from the ORM category

 

[claduva94]

CO is at 16.4%. So not as bad as Florida but definitely not great.

 

[solitarius]

As for easy schools, don't forget the Great Plains states like Kansas, Oklahoma and Nebraska. And perhaps the school with the lowest admissions standards for IS applicants: South Carolina.

 

[darklabel]

FL matriculates 704 of 2618 IS for 26.9%. CA matriculates 841 of 5326 for 15.8%.
3 of Florida's public schools have median MCAT's of 31 and one is 29.
All of CA's non-mission based public schools have higher medians (some much higher) .

Stats like that make me feel so much better to not be from CA. I've even heard that the undergrad is becoming difficult to get into now, jeez. http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/12/pf/college/public-universities-students/

Although from what a lot of premeds posts, being a premed at a UC is quite difficult anyways, so maybe going to another undergrad would be better?

@mrh125 yeah, basically move out lol. Just saying that Texas, FL, NY and such places usually have around the national mean so its not much of an advantage for the average premed to establish residency in those places except if you're a CA resident.

 

[gyngyn]

Stats like that make me feel so much better to not be from CA. I've even heard that the undergrad is becoming difficult to get into now, jeez. http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/12/pf/college/public-universities-students/

Although from what a lot of premeds posts, being a premed at a UC is quite difficult anyways, so maybe going to another undergrad would be better?

The UC's are among the finest schools in the country, not just the best public schools. We can be very proud of the education offered. It is necessarily difficult, though...

 

[Fabio Lanzoni]

Stats like that make me feel so much better to not be from CA. I've even heard that the undergrad is becoming difficult to get into now, jeez. http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/12/pf/college/public-universities-students/

Although from what a lot of premeds posts, being a premed at a UC is quite difficult anyways, so maybe going to another undergrad would be better?

@mrh125 yeah, basically move out lol. Just saying that Texas, FL, NY and such places usually have around the national mean so its not much of an advantage for the average premed to establish residency in those places except if you're a CA resident.

Unfortunately with the budget problems in California, it is now even worse with undergrad admissions. UCLA, for example, accepted 18% overall, but only 16% in-state.

 

[godawg300]

CA residency+ under 30 MCAT is even more of a stroke of black luck, due to how competitive our state schools are. the only CA options for a 27-29 mcat are UC Riverside if you fit the mission, loma linda if you want to give up coffee, alcohol, and sex, and UC Davis if you're extremely lucky. At least FL and TX schools accept those with mcats in that range.

That's me lol. Wishing for UCR since I live in Riverside? That and UC Davis are my hopeful chances lol. I applied to all the other ones except Loma just because....even if I'm throwing away my money.

 

[lmn]

You have a problem with black women? Also Whites are not considered ORM's, Whites make up 72.4 percent of the U.S population and large majority of medical school seats ( as it should be) But asian only make up 4.8 percent of the US population but 25 percent medical seats ( Hence the term Over Represented in Medicine) or even ( Over Represented Minority )

.... I don't even know where to start with your complete lack of understanding and misinterpretation.... Go ahead and keep believing your off-kilter view of admissions 😉

 

[Person0715]

Unfortunately with the budget problems in California, it is now even worse with undergrad admissions. UCLA, for example, accepted 18% overall, but only 16% in-state.

Wow, that really stinks, but UCLA is competitive to begin with.

 

[gyngyn]

Wow, that really stinks.

Sometimes the service of the many is funded by the few.

 

[Fabio Lanzoni]

Wow, that really stinks, but UCLA is competitive to begin with.

That's true haha, I was mainly referring to the higher out of state acceptance rate, but sometimes they gotta do what's necessary, I suppose. Money doesn't grow on trees

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

That's true haha, I was mainly referring to the higher out of state acceptance rate, but sometimes they gotta do what's necessary, I suppose. Money doesn't grow on trees

Do you feel as if they're beginning to resemble national universities more than state schools? Or has this already been the case for some time?

 

[Fabio Lanzoni]

Do you feel as if they're beginning to resemble national universities more than state schools? Or has this already been the case for some time?

I think they are (and have been), especially the big names like UCLA and Cal. Although the competition to get into the better UC schools has increased significantly, I read that they accepted more people system-wide this year. Having Cal on your diploma might look nice, but at the end of the day all the UCs are top notch schools and I think CA has done a wonderful job at providing the best (arguable, I know. But west coast best coast) public higher education system in the country

 

[FSOG]

I've never really been able to understand California's budget problems. Residents are taxed like crazy and now those in higher brackets are being assessed exit taxes for trying to escape. You'd think with all the revenue coming in CA would be able to manage their finances better and build new med schools, higher more faculty for the UCs so it doesn't take five years for many to graduate (more incoming revenue), etc. Instead, it seems they're always in the red. I get the fact that it's a state with a huge population; however, Texas and Florida also have huge populations and they're thriving. Neither TX nor FL have a state income tax (unlike CA), and they're still prosperous. TX, for instance, will have 9 public med schools, 2 DO schools, and Baylor (70% iS/low IS tuition) by 2016. The tuition at these schools is between $13-$19K compared to low-mid $30s at the CA schools. Why the discrepancies? (I'm not interested in state-bashing...I truly want to understand why California has been plagued with these problems.)

 

[NontradCA]

Maybe because you're not from CA

I'm from CA. I have a problem with how expensive it is, but not any involving med school. If you want to go to school in CA you have to work harder.

 

[gyngyn]

I've never really been able to understand California's budget problems. Residents are taxed like crazy and now those in higher brackets are being assessed exit taxes for trying to escape. You'd think with all the revenue coming in CA would be able to manage their finances better and build new med schools, higher more faculty for the UCs so it doesn't take five years for many to graduate (more incoming revenue), etc. Instead, it seems they're always in the red. I get the fact that it's a state with a huge population; however, Texas and Florida also have huge populations and they're thriving. Neither TX nor FL have a state income tax (unlike CA), and they're still prosperous. TX, for instance, will have 9 public med schools, 2 DO schools, and Baylor (70% iS/low IS tuition) by 2016. The tuition at these schools is between $13-$19K compared to low-mid $30s at the CA schools. Why the discrepancies? (I'm not interested in state-bashing...I truly want to understand why California has been plagued with these problems.)

We had something called proposition 13. The major source of funding for schools usually comes from property tax, hence rough times for education.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

I'm from CA. I have a problem with how expensive it is, but not any involving med school. If you want to go to school in CA you have to work harder.

I understand that maybe ca schools should be tougher to get into considering it is a location people want. However, in state bias should be eliminated. That way, schools with better locations are going to be tougher to get into, however everyone, no matter where you live has equal chances at medical schools solely based on your stats.

It's bs that Cali residents, bc they live in ca, get shafted at med med school admissions. There are so many schools I am competitive at, but since I live in ca, I can't even apply. Wouldn't you think they would want better applicants for their program?

 

[NontradCA]

I understand that maybe ca schools should be tougher to get into considering it is a location people want. However, in state bias should be eliminated. That way, schools with better locations are going to be tougher to get into, however everyone, no matter where you live has equal chances at medical schools solely based on your stats.

It's bs that Cali residents, bc they live in ca, get shafted at med med school admissions. There are so many schools I am competitive at, but since I live in ca, I can't even apply. Wouldn't you think they would want better applicants for their program?

Your stats are below average....

 

[sinombre]

However, in state bias should be eliminated. That way, schools with better locations are going to be tougher to get into, however everyone, no matter where you live has equal chances at medical schools solely based on your stats.

The entitlement in this post is strong.

Yes, that would be nice for applicants. But medical schools don't exist to serve the needs of applicants--they exist to serve the needs of their patient populations. The reason schools have in-state biases is because applicants that attend medical school in their home state are more likely to eventually practice there. Eliminating in-state biases would do nothing but worsen the maldistribution problem.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

Your stats are below average....

Okay? What does this have to do with my post? I am not saying that I want to go to a California school. I am saying that my stats are MORE competitive at OTHER schools outside California that I am not even allowed to apply at (i.e. New Mexico).

The entitlement in this post is strong.

Yes, that would be nice for applicants. But medical schools don't exist to serve the needs of applicants--they exist to serve the needs of their patient populations. The reason schools have in-state biases is because applicants that attend medical school in their home state are more likely to eventually practice there. Eliminating in-state biases would do nothing but worsen the maldistribution problem.

I don't see where your sensing entitlement in what I posted. I don't feel entitled to anything. All I am saying is that my stats should be looked at on the same playing field as everyone else that applies to a selected medical school. I am by no means saying that I should be let into medical school just because. If I am rejected because there were other applicants that had better stats than me, then so be it.

Second, do you really think that everyone that goes to a school in California, or any other state for that matter, stays there to practice? Students are shotgunned all over the nation for residencies and many end up staying where they complete residency. If this is a problem, maybe having a requirement that the student gives 5-10 years of medical practice to the state in which he/she got the medical training. This way, at least the stats are looked at on the same playing field and the student can decide whether or not they want to live in the state.

To me, it just seems like medical school should want to attract the best students that are going to become the best doctors.

 

[WillburCobb]

Okay? What does this have to do with my post? I am not saying that I want to go to a California school. I am saying that my stats are MORE competitive at OTHER schools outside California that I am not even allowed to apply at (i.e. New Mexico).



I don't see where your sensing entitlement in what I posted. I don't feel entitled to anything. All I am saying is that my stats should be looked at on the same playing field as everyone else that applies to a selected medical school. I am by no means saying that I should be let into medical school just because. If I am rejected because there were other applicants that had better stats than me, then so be it.

Second, do you really think that everyone that goes to a school in California, or any other state for that matter, stays there to practice? Students are shotgunned all over the nation for residencies and many end up staying where they complete residency. If this is a problem, maybe having a requirement that the student gives 5-10 years of medical practice to the state in which he/she got the medical training. This way, at least the stats are looked at on the same playing field and the student can decide whether or not they want to live in the state.

To me, it just seems like medical school should want to attract the best students that are going to become the best doctors.

Many state schools are also highly subsidized by their state governments. Why should state funding be used to train OOS students who've never paid taxes in that other state, have no reasonable ties to that state, and are unlikely to practice in that state and serve that state's population?

 

[NontradCA]

I don't see where your sensing entitlement in what I posted. I don't feel entitled to anything. All I am saying is that my stats should be looked at on the same playing field as everyone else that applies to a selected medical school.

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[TheBoneDoctah]

Many state schools are also highly subsidized by their state governments. Why should state funding be used to train OOS students who've never paid taxes in that other state, have no reasonable ties to that state, and are unlikely to practice in that state and serve that state's population?

Did you read my post?

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

@NontradCA I asked you a question. Where in my post is there "entitlement?" Did I say, " I am from Cali and should be let into a Cali school?" That would be entitlement. Me saying that people should be treated according to STATS is the opposite of entitlement. I am saying people should have to WORK for a spot in school, not just live in a state that needs doctors.

 

[WillburCobb]

Did you read my post?

But why should the tax payers of a given state be expected to pay for the training of OOS students who are much less likely to return to that state to practice?

 

[NontradCA]

@NontradCA I asked you a question. Where in my post is there "entitlement?" Did I say, " I am from Cali and should be let into a Cali school?" That would be entitlement. Me saying that people should be treated according to STATS is the opposite of entitlement. I am saying people should have to WORK for a spot in school, not just live in a state that needs doctors.

All of it reeks of entitlement? It actually would be less presumptuous if you were speaking on California med schools solely. But no, you want taxpayers from different states to subsidize your education. I see what you're saying about best candidates, but your below average stats on a national level puts you out of that conversation. Further, there is a lot more to an applicant than stats. Med schools want their applicants to stay in state to practice and there's a greater chance someone IS will do so.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

But why should the tax payers of a given state be expected to pay for the training of OOS students who are much less likely to return to that state to practice?

That's why I said that the schools should have a contract with the student that if they want to attend their school, then they would have to give the state 5-10 years of medical training, OR become a resident. I just believe that the option should be there. If the student doesn't want to stay in that state, then they shouldn't be allowed in. However, what if I WANTED to live in New Mexico? What if I actually wanted to go to school there, and then live there?