I have NO IDEA what to do 4.0GPA 25Mcat

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Frazier said:
Good. Time to retake then.
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Yeah read the edit. I already registered to retake the MCAT but I still want to apply with my 25. So the new idea is can i apply with my 25 and not click the box that says i plan to retake the MCAT and just have my application sent out that way instead of the schools waiting for my new score they just make the decision. Then when my new scores come in and if they are good then i send those in. The problem here is if they are good how do i get them sent would i have to pay the application fee all over again
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
Yeah read the edit. I already registered to retake the MCAT but I still want to apply with my 25. So the new idea is can i apply with my 25 and not click the box that says i plan to retake the MCAT and just have my application sent out that way instead of the schools waiting for my new score they just make the decision. Then when my new scores come in and if they are good then i send those in. The problem here is if they are good how do i get them sent would i have to pay the application fee all over again
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I assume you want to apply early in order to take advantage of the fabled "apply early" mantra of SDN.

I assure you that there will be no real benefit from applying early with a 25.

Get the app going and be sure to click the retake box or else every school is going to take a... on you and your app.
 
Frazier said:
I assume you want to apply early in order to take advantage of the fabled "apply early" mantra of SDN.

I assure you that there will be no real benefit from applying early with a 25.

Get the app going and be sure to click the retake box or else every school is going to take a... on you and your app.
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well can you answer my question if you have any idea about also? Thanks. Im going with the idea that not every school will take a steamy pile of poo on me. Granted unless it is known fact that a 6 gets my app thrown in the garbage but if there is possiblity then i like it.
 
torshi said:
This ultimately proves that having a 4.0 doesn't mean your smart.
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JohnnyQuestFan said:
well can you answer my question if you have any idea about also? Thanks. Im going with the idea that not every school will take a steamy pile of poo on me. Granted unless it is known fact that a 6 gets my app thrown in the garbage but if there is possiblity then i like it.
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I would call some of the schools you are interested in applying to and ask... Their answer will be more definitive.

Just give them an anonymous call with a 20 second break down (i.e. "I have a 4.0 from notre dame, but my MCAT is a 25 mainly due to a 6 in VR") and see what they recommend.

If all you hear is crickets, then snickering, then uproarious laughter that could drown out the crashing of 7 raging seas.... you have your answer.
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
well can you answer my question if you have any idea about also? Thanks. Im going with the idea that not every school will take a steamy pile of poo on me. Granted unless it is known fact that a 6 gets my app thrown in the garbage but if there is possiblity then i like it.
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Some schools clearly state that they will not consider your application if you have below a 8 or 7 on one of your MCAT subsections. research the schools you are applying to, try to determine if you have a chance - and go for it. Just know you still might have to retake the MCAT or reapply. There is no stigma regarding reapplying -- though you will have to strengthen your application - so stay active at your school/community during the application cycle this upcoming year. Additionally a DO = MD (just with one extra course during med school). You should apply to some DO schools too.
 
I'm not sure why you're fighting all of us so much. We can't all be wrong. Frazier is absolutely right, if you apply to medical schools this year without indicating a retake you will likely get a number of rejections before you even get your second set of scores, and they might not even notice your new scores since they wont know to look for them.

You are severely overestimating the impact that applying later will have. Applying in August with a 30 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than applying in June with a 25. TRUST ME. Everyone has told you what you need to do, which is to retake and in the meantime start your application. If you get your scores and they aren't a 30 or a 29, then you should either defer a year and improve your application or apply DO. Otherwise you are likely throwing money away. Nothing more to say, either take our advice (which you were asking for by the way) or don't and risk the possibility of wasting a ton of money and hurting (or killing altogether) your chances of getting into medical school.

As a friendly tip, you shouldn't even bother on the MCAT retake until you are consistently scoring 2-3 points higher in practice tests than what you want to get on the real thing. If there's one thing I've noticed here its that people usually do a few points worse than their average and they rarely do better.
 
rafflecopter said:
As a friendly tip, you shouldn't even bother on the MCAT retake until you are consistently scoring 2-3 points higher in practice tests than what you want to get on the real thing. If there's one thing I've noticed here its that people usually do a few points worse than their average and they rarely do better.
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True story 👍
 
rafflecopter said:
As a friendly tip, you shouldn't even bother on the MCAT retake until you are consistently scoring 2-3 points higher in practice tests than what you want to get on the real thing. If there's one thing I've noticed here its that people usually do a few points worse than their average and they rarely do better.
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👍 OMG yes, it makes me feel so much better to read that. Seems like everybody on SDN scored above their average practice tests except me 🙁

More proof that SDN =/= real life 😎
 
A 6 is a horrible score. A huge red flag, with a big red beacon on top. You should be shooting for 1-2 standard deviations ABOVE the mean, not hoping 2 BELOW the mean might be good enough to squeak by somehow. A 4.0 and a VR of 6 in an English speaking person is not congruent.
 
I'm pretty sure y'all are being epically trolled.
 
I'm really baffled as to how a guy with a 4.0 can get a 25. But..if I were in your shoes I would apply next year and study my butt off to get a high MCAT. With a halfway decent MCAT score, I'm sure you'll snag several acceptances.
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
what about this idea. I just apply with my 25 and do NOT say i plan on retaking it so that i can get it in as a very early applicant. Instead of them putting it to the side saying oh lets wait for the new scores they can just decide yes or no. Then when my new scores come in then send that to all the schools i applied to. Also if i do that will i have to pay all the fees all over again to get the new MCAT score sent? I registered to take the MCAT again in August so by the time scores get released it will be in September which is kinda late.
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Horrible plan. You'll just end up getting rejected most places before you send in new scores if you try something like this.

If you really want to be a doctor, take the advice given to you.

1) Study and take many practice MCATs.
2) Retake MCAT
3) Apply to a wide selection of schools that take a good deal of students from your state and have average stats within a SD of your own, including MD and DO.
4) Profit
 
phltz said:
I'm pretty sure y'all are being epically trolled.
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Qft.

Seriously. OP got a 4.0 from Notre Dame, but a 25 on the MCAT, is unwilling to listen to the advice of people who clearly know more about the application process than him, and is "Half white and half argentinian but my skin is white like normal white people."

Either he's the world's most stubborn person, or a fantastic troll.

OP-if you're not a troll, go look at some of the other threads on this forum. You will not get into an MD school with your MCAT score as low and unbalanced as it is. You won't 'maybe squeak by.' You'll get rejected. Everywhere. Sorry to be harsh but you've rejected the advice of a lot of knowledgeable people on the subject-advice that could get you accepted.
 
Bmed said:
I'm really baffled as to how a guy with a 4.0 can get a 25. But..if I were in your shoes I would apply next year and study my butt off to get a high MCAT. With a halfway decent MCAT score, I'm sure you'll snag several acceptances.
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I know personally of one person with a 4.0 and a 24 (6 in verbal), and another with a 4.0 and a score below 24.

I think it's possible to be overconfident and not prepare properly.

But for at least one of these two people, the school they went to was a joke.

The were also both community college transfers. Hmm. At my school at least I thought the first two years with the weed out pre-reqs were the hardest. Maybe that says something.
 
Okay i am taking the MCAT again late August. Is that too late? Or is it fine if i get the 30. Guys i dont know what your gpa and mcat scores are but imagine being me a 4.0 from notre dame seeing that 25 after studying like a dog and scoring 30s on my practice. Also do they still do interviews after the christmas break or are all interviews done within the year? I know ZELCH about the actual process
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
Is being a reapplicant a bad thing in case crap hits the fan? If being a reapplicant is bad then i like your idea a lot but thats is really hard to decide on just one. So if it was up to you what is the 1 school you would apply to that you think is the easiest? Also i hear stuff about historically black colleges any information on those? Im half white and half argentinian but my skin is white like normal white people
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OK. I was really feeling your pain, but now it is clear you are just a D-bag or a troll.

Go away.
 
OP: I graduated from the same school as you. Our pre-health advisors inform us about the likelihood of matriculating into specific USMD, USDO, or caribbean-MD schools. Contact them again if you're not sure about the plan of action to take towards your future.
 
If you got into ND you can certainly boost your MCAT if you put in the appropriate amount of work.
 
rafflecopter said:
I'm not sure why you're fighting all of us so much. We can't all be wrong. Frazier is absolutely right, if you apply to medical schools this year without indicating a retake you will likely get a number of rejections before you even get your second set of scores, and they might not even notice your new scores since they wont know to look for them.

You are severely overestimating the impact that applying later will have. Applying in August with a 30 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than applying in June with a 25. TRUST ME. Everyone has told you what you need to do, which is to retake and in the meantime start your application. If you get your scores and they aren't a 30 or a 29, then you should either defer a year and improve your application or apply DO. Otherwise you are likely throwing money away. Nothing more to say, either take our advice (which you were asking for by the way) or don't and risk the possibility of wasting a ton of money and hurting (or killing altogether) your chances of getting into medical school.
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^this
 
Retake your MCAT and then apply... seriously, having a bad MCAT is relatively easily fixable and is nothing compared to having a bad GPA.

May I ask you what you studied at ND? Not to make fun of you but the only time anyone I know has ever gotten a 6 is when they purposefully tried to do as bad as they could since they had to take the test as a formality to go to the MD portion of their BS/MD program.
 
RapplixGmed said:
Retake your MCAT and then apply... seriously, having a bad MCAT is relatively easily fixable and is nothing compared to having a bad GPA.

May I ask you what you studied at ND? Not to make fun of you but the only time anyone I know has ever gotten a 6 is when they purposefully tried to do as bad as they could since they had to take the test as a formality to go to the MD portion of their BS/MD program.
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biology. I told yall it was a fluke I was getting 30s on the practice test. No one has answered this question yet. If i take the MCAT again in August will that be to late since the scores wont be released until september? Or will it be fine. Also do they still do interviews after the christmas break or are all interviews done within the year?
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
biology. I told yall it was a fluke I was getting 30s on the practice test. No one has answered this question yet. If i take the MCAT again in August will that be to late since the scores wont be released until september? Or will it be fine. Also do they still do interviews after the christmas break or are all interviews done within the year?
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I'd shoot for taking the MCAT in mid-July. Taking it in August would be a little late as your scores wouldn't be ready until September. With that said, I had a friend who had his scores in September and still had a number of interviews, so its possible.

And interviews go on until March and some schools go through April of the following year, so its not done at the end of the year.
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
biology. I told yall it was a fluke I was getting 30s on the practice test. No one has answered this question yet. If i take the MCAT again in August will that be to late since the scores wont be released until september? Or will it be fine. Also do they still do interviews after the christmas break or are all interviews done within the year?
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Are you really surprised that nobody is answering you when you seem dead set on not listening to anyone? Taking the MCAT in August is too late. You'll get your scores back in late September, which means you'll be brushing up against the primary deadline at some schools. The latest you could get away with taking it is July, and that's if you pre-write all of the essays for your secondary applications so that you can turn them around immediately upon receiving them. Even then you'll be on the late end of things.

Interview season goes from September to as late as April for some schools.
 
Astarael said:
Are you really surprised that nobody is answering you when you seem dead set on not listening to anyone? Taking the MCAT in August is too late. You'll get your scores back in late September, which means you'll be brushing up against the primary deadline at some schools. The latest you could get away with taking it is July, and that's if you pre-write all of the essays for your secondary applications so that you can turn them around immediately upon receiving them. Even then you'll be on the late end of things.

Interview season goes from September to as late as April for some schools.
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August is not too late. You apply to a school in June, get your application verified and indicate you are taking the MCAT in august. No decisions will be made until the new score is in...that's how it works if you indicate you are retaking the MCAT on X date. That way you get all your secondaries and verification done, and by September late you will be complete everywhere within a few days of receiving the new score.

I know tons of people who have got in doing this. It's not early, no. But with a 4.0 GPA and ~30 MCAT, you will get interviews even if you apply late, if you applied broadly enough.
 
patel2 said:
August is not too late. You apply to a school in June, get your application verified and indicate you are taking the MCAT in august. No decisions will be made until the new score is in...that's how it works if you indicate you are retaking the MCAT on X date. That way you get all your secondaries and verification done, and by September late you will be complete everywhere within a few days of receiving the new score.

I know tons of people who have got in doing this. It's not early, no. But with a 4.0 GPA and ~30 MCAT, you will get interviews even if you apply late, if you applied broadly enough.
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Strictly speaking, I agree with you that getting your secondaries turned in during September is not late. But he said he was taking the MCAT in late August, which means he'll get scores back in late September, and secondaries will probably go in the first week of October. That's an ok place to be in if you're really on top of things, but the OP doesn't strike me as that kind of person. It would also not be a great idea for him to count on a 30 with his current MCAT.

You're right, I know applications in September can be done successfully, as I did it myself. I should stop using absolute statements in my posts. But I really do believe that it is in the OP's best interest to not wait until the end of August to take the MCAT.
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
biology. I told yall it was a fluke I was getting 30s on the practice test. No one has answered this question yet. If i take the MCAT again in August will that be to late since the scores wont be released until september? Or will it be fine. Also do they still do interviews after the christmas break or are all interviews done within the year?
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Okay BS. There's no way you're a bio major with a 4.0 and got an 8 in the BS section. If you're talking about University of Notre Dame (not Notre Dame college) all As in the bio/orgo classes taken there would easily put you over a 10 on the BS section. Plus, the pre-health advisors at Notre Dame would probably be telling you not to apply right now.

Either you're horrible at test taking or a troll.
 
I am afraid there is only one option left









Burger King :laugh:
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
Is being a reapplicant a bad thing in case crap hits the fan? If being a reapplicant is bad then i like your idea a lot but thats is really hard to decide on just one. So if it was up to you what is the 1 school you would apply to that you think is the easiest? Also i hear stuff about historically black colleges any information on those? Im half white and half argentinian but my skin is white like normal white people
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you do realize that crap has already hit the fan, right? now you are just trying to cover up the smell with a cheap air freshener. and it still stinks
 
Ursa said:
you do realize that crap has already hit the fan, right? now you are just trying to cover up the smell with a cheap air freshener. and it still stinks
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:roflcopter:
 
Astarael said:
Strictly speaking, I agree with you that getting your secondaries turned in during September is not late. But he said he was taking the MCAT in late August, which means he'll get scores back in late September, and secondaries will probably go in the first week of October. That's an ok place to be in if you're really on top of things, but the OP doesn't strike me as that kind of person. It would also not be a great idea for him to count on a 30 with his current MCAT.

You're right, I know applications in September can be done successfully, as I did it myself. I should stop using absolute statements in my posts. But I really do believe that it is in the OP's best interest to not wait until the end of August to take the MCAT.
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I think taking it mid july is just too early with my loser ass 25 would you not agree. A month an a half is probably not long enough to get me scoring in the 30s ont he real one. Would there be a difference between mid and early august i can change from late to early i guess. But as long as i indicate i am taking the MCAT again in august and get all the 2ndary and stuff done will it be enough to get into a good school being as late as im going to be. Those of you who applied late like i will be doin what was your gpa and mcat scores?
 
JohnnyQuestFan said:
I think taking it mid july is just too early with my loser ass 25 would you not agree. A month an a half is probably not long enough to get me scoring in the 30s ont he real one. Would there be a difference between mid and early august i can change from late to early i guess. But as long as i indicate i am taking the MCAT again in august and get all the 2ndary and stuff done will it be enough to get into a good school being as late as im going to be. Those of you who applied late like i will be doin what was your gpa and mcat scores?
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Do NOT wait until august. You want your application in as soon as you can. Work on verbal passages. I got a 6 the first time (and have no clue how as I never scored that low), studied for 2 weeks and got a 9 the second time. With a 4.0 you will be able to get away with a sub-30 score, just make sure you score 3 or 4 points better and get those apps in stat!
 
torshi said:
This ultimately proves that having a 4.0 doesn't mean your smart.
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Not even close rofl. i just took an exam a week ago, when i was handing in mah paper, i saw alots of people sharing answers in the back, either thro their phone or talking with the people sitting next to them. that exam ending up having a really high bar for an A. it was like 90ish. some classes if i take another version of it, it becomes easier, for example, applied math versus just math. a 4.0 just means u did better than most of ur peers in the classes u took. hence the MCAT is there to put everyone on an equal playing field.
 
i quickly flipped through the replies to this thread and couldn't find the answer i would consider to be correct....

SLOW DOWN ...take a year off and put your best foot forward

stick with the august MCAT date ...study your butt off... get 30+ ...go get a job and apply early next year

don't sell yourself short ...you aren't getting into any MD school with a 6 on the MCAT ...with a 25 you'll probably get into one of the lesser known DO schools but why settle and take the easy way out when you have a 4.0?

also, I know verbal can be a rough section....it was my biggest weakness too but i did 22 verbal sections before i took the MCAT and was able to pull off a 9....it's all about figuring out the right strategy. Also, I heard (after i took the test) that ExamKrakers (or however u spell it) is much better than Kaplan for the verbal section so go get their materials!

good luck and don't rush into anything. the dude who is impatient and runs to the caribbean has it way worse than the guy who spent a year or two working on his app before applying and ended up at a US MD school.
 
skinMD said:
i quickly flipped through the replies to this thread and couldn't find the answer i would consider to be correct....

SLOW DOWN ...take a year off and put your best foot forward

stick with the august MCAT date ...study your butt off... get 30+ ...go get a job and apply early next year

don't sell yourself short ...you aren't getting into any MD school with a 6 on the MCAT ...with a 25 you'll probably get into one of the lesser known DO schools but why settle and take the easy way out when you have a 4.0?

also, I know verbal can be a rough section....it was my biggest weakness too but i did 22 verbal sections before i took the MCAT and was able to pull off a 9....it's all about figuring out the right strategy. Also, I heard (after i took the test) that ExamKrakers (or however u spell it) is much better than Kaplan for the verbal section so go get their materials!

good luck and don't rush into anything. the dude who is impatient and runs to the caribbean has it way worse than the guy who spent a year or two working on his app before applying and ended up at a US MD school.
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👍

Have some foresight, bro.
 
Also 8 in bio? most ppl will go well MCAT not related to med school, well you really gotta know your bio for med school (Bc it's so basic and everything builds on top of it)
 
alwaysaangel said:
I stand corrected. I'm getting old. When I applied even MSAR said verbal ruled.

However, I think that advising him to apply now is terrible advise. Even if they've determined it doesn't correlate to USMLE doesn't mean med schools don't care if you have a 6...
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Yea, that's true. Applying with a 6 is suicide. Emergency medicine, huh? Have fun!
 
osumc2014 said:
Also 8 in bio? most ppl will go well MCAT not related to med school, well you really gotta know your bio for med school (Bc it's so basic and everything builds on top of it)
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this thread might as well live on as the greatest troll of all time created a thread and had people post or it can live on as me taking what you guys are saying and doing it. I think if i can pull a 44, because a 45 is unrealistic :xf:by september exam date i can get into a good school even with a late application





:luck:
*that was just to feed those people who are calling this a fantastic troll thread
 
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