I need help!! Next year applicant!

[Jen777]

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Hello:

I am a new memebr and I actually have a question which is a serious issue. I want to apply next year, but I am not sure if my chances are high. The reason I say that is becuase when I was sophomor I was found copying my midterm from my friend however the day after the test, I went to my professor and let him know that I made a mistake and because of what I did he forgave me, and allowed me to take the final. I got an A in final and my professor gave a final grade C+ on my transcript. This issure is not recorded any where on my transcript and the only person who knows is the Dean of the school and because of it I was on probation. Should I discuss this issue on my application next year? evenif it is not recorded on my record? I know on the application they ask about the background info and I do not know how to respond. I appreciate to give me your own thoughts.

 

[will9631]

thats a really interesting question, and I'll give what insights I can, though I'm not really knowledgable in this area. I have noticed that for most schools the question you get asked is specifically worded- it inquires as to any institutional action taken against you, or whether you have been accused or convicted of an honor offense. It sounds like your honest may have saved you here, in my opinion. The best thing would be to discuss it with the dean of students, since their probably much more knowledgable that any of us (certainly more than me) as to how these things are handled, especially since he's already familiar with the particulars of your case. Some schools I think require word from your dean as to honor offenses anyway, so talking to him now might be the best way to get out in front of the issue before it becomes a problem.

Thats my two cents anyway, and I recommend waiting for some others to weigh in before you do anything, since mishandling this could certainly ruin your dental hopes.

Hello:

I am a new memebr and I actually have a question which is a serious issue. I want to apply next year, but I am not sure if my chances are high. The reason I say that is becuase when I was sophomor I was found copying my midterm from my friend however the day after the test, I went to my professor and let him know that I made a mistake and because of what I did he forgave me, and allowed me to take the final. I got an A in final and my professor gave a final grade C+ on my transcript. This issure is not recorded any where on my transcript and the only person who knows is the Dean of the school and because of it I was on probation. Should I discuss this issue on my application next year? evenif it is not recorded on my record? I know on the application they ask about the background info and I do not know how to respond. I appreciate to give me your own thoughts.

 

[supraman]

Honestly, I wouldn't mention a thing. If its not noted on your transcript, just hope it doesn't show up. Don't let it ruin your life

 

[blankguy]

Very interesting situation. You definitely need to explain your probation because AADSAS will ask about academic disciplinary issues. The good thing is that you didn't face a board for honor code violations. Be honest and candid about it if they ask. People who have this blemish have gotten into dental schools. You will be in trouble if you come across as trying to hide it and they find out about it.

You got nothing to lose and put your best foot forward. PM if you want to more advice from me.

 

[Danny0230]

I would definitely not bring it up, I think this would be a major problem for some adcoms. They'll never know if you don't mention it anyway. It's not like theyre going to interview your dean or your professor.

 

[supraman]

I would definitely not bring it up, I think this would be a major problem for some adcoms. They'll never know if you don't mention it anyway. It's not like theyre going to interview your dean or your professor.

not to hijack the thread but did you end up choosing BU?

 

[blankguy]

Guys, you do realize that the AADSAS application explicitly asks if you had any academic issues such as probation right? So he has no choice but to divulge it.
The good thing is that he had the courage to notify the dean and that's why the dean probably decided that this person was not going to have to answer to a committee for an honor code violation. He still got a probation which is the equivalent of just getting a crappy grade for a semester.

 

[2012Lunger]

For what ever reason you chose to make things right by coming forward with respect to the incident, and for this I applaud you. My advice is to continue with being honest. I would not address this topic in any interview unless it is brought up by the interviewer. Be sure to report honestly on your AADSAS application, because if you do not, you will have to worry about being accepted and then rejected if someone were to come forward with any condemning information. Each school maintains the right to reject you, even after having accepted you, if you provide them with inaccurate information. If the school is going to reject you based on this offense, better now than later...which will save you a lot of money, time, and stress.

 

[Hysteria24]

Directly from the AADSAS application:

"Have you ever been dismissed, expelled, found to have violated an honor code, disqualified, suspended, put on probation, or otherwise been subject to disciplinary action at any college/university in connection to misconduct?"

It seems as though the OP was put on probation, so to be honest it should be answered as yes.

The application goes on to state:

"Note: Answering "yes" will not automatically disqualify you for admission to a dental program. Many individuals learn from the past and emerge stronger as a result. Full disclosure enables programs to evaluate more effectively this information within the context of your credentials. Failure to provide accurate information in response to this question may jeopardize your application to a dental school."

 

[Jen777]

Thanks for your responses. I still wait for more feedback.

I just want to add the point that after the incident, I met with the Dean and his staff and later I received the letter from the Dean and it says "the honor code was violated, but because of your action (your honosty) and after discussion with your professor the grade C+ was given!" and then it says that you are on probation and it should not be repeated.

I assume this was honor code violation, but then my final grade was C+ and it is not on my transcripts.

 

[TheWiredNerv]

Thanks for your responses. I still wait for more feedback.

I just want to add the point that after the incident, I met with the Dean and his staff and later I received the letter from the Dean and it says "the honor code was violated, but because of your action (your honosty) and after discussion with your professor the grade C+ was given!" and then it says that you are on probation and it should not be repeated.

I assume this was honor code violation, but then my final grade was C+ and it is not on my transcripts.

The C+ is infinitely better than being labeled a cheater by the university.

 

[blankguy]

The good thing is that with this information if the school call you for an interview they will have factored this in. In such a case there is no further need to dwell on it unless it is asked during the interview.

 

[blankguy]

For what ever reason you chose to make things right by coming forward with respect to the incident, and for this I applaud you. My advice is to continue with being honest. I would not address this topic in any interview unless it is brought up by the interviewer. Be sure to report honestly on your AADSAS application, because if you do not, you will have to worry about being accepted and then rejected if someone were to come forward with any condemning information. Each school maintains the right to reject you, even after having accepted you, if you provide them with inaccurate information. If the school is going to reject you based on this offense, better now than later...which will save you a lot of money, time, and stress.

I totally agree because they could black list him. Another thing is living 4 yrs in dental school covering a lie.

 

[ROSE1010]

It is interesting, but if I were you I was not saying anything becuase it is not on your transcripts, and also you received C+ for the class. The only way to find is to contact your Dean and not many schools request a letter from dean.

 

[jdoc04]

Like Hysteria stated the probation may come into play here. You need to find out if it is shown on your transcript that you were placed on probation. If so then you will definitely have to discuss it.

If you decide not to say anything you need to be 100% sure that it can't show up somewhere. If it does and you don't mention it you chances for admission are lowered tremendously. Cheating has been an issue lately at several schools. I was asked my views on cheating in one of my interviews.

Good Luck!

 

[Jen777]

Like Hysteria stated the probation may come into play here. You need to find out if it is shown on your transcript that you were placed on probation. If so then you will definitely have to discuss it.

If you decide not to say anything you need to be 100% sure that it can't show up somewhere. If it does and you don't mention it you chances for admission are lowered tremendously. Cheating has been an issue lately at several schools. I was asked my views on cheating in one of my interviews.

Good Luck!

jdoc, nothing mention in transcripts and I was told that it is not going to be on transcripts. I actually have a copy of my transcripts and like any other class it has just my grade. That's why I have delimma...

 

[NewMexDent]

Directly from the AADSAS application:

“Have you ever been dismissed, expelled, found to have violated an honor code, disqualified, suspended, put on probation, or otherwise been subject to disciplinary action at any college/university in connection to misconduct?”

It seems as though the OP was put on probation, so to be honest it should be answered as yes.

The application goes on to state:

“Note: Answering "yes" will not automatically disqualify you for admission to a dental program. Many individuals learn from the past and emerge stronger as a result. Full disclosure enables programs to evaluate more effectively this information within the context of your credentials. Failure to provide accurate information in response to this question may jeopardize your application to a dental school.”

I actually had to answer yes to this question, even though my incident probably would not have been known to any of the schools I applied to. I answered "Yes" because it was the honest thing to do. It allows you the oppurtunity to explain it, and if you just write what you've told us you will be fine. I honestly don't know how it affected my application, but I do know that I'll be going to dental school next year.

I did have to talk about my situation in several interviews, but it was ussually a very positive discussion. No one is going to judge you for messing up and then doing the right thing to fix the problem. In fact, your honesty in the situation is very comendable and could be regarded very positively by interviewers.

So, be honest and everything will work out.

 

[bluejellybelly]

Probation might not show up on your unofficial transcript, but it usually shows up on official transcripts, from what I'm told. And official transcripts, you CAN'T see, so you might not even know if it were labeled on your transcript that you cheated. If it were my situation, I'd probably be honest just in case it does show up, I don't want to be labeled a liar and a cheater as well.

 

[Danny0230]

Yeah, I guess I underestimated the importance of probation on aadsas. Probably should report it, but some adcoms may have a big problem with it.

 

[blankguy]

Being just put in probation is not as bad as having to answer yes to things like being a convicted felon. I believe that AADSAS does ask for that as well.

 

[btizzels]

Just be honest and things will work out...so select yes in AADSAS where it asks you to .... and explain your story

 

[haisha ni narou]

Yea, ethical conduct is HUGE in dental school and with recient cheating events that have happened within the past couple years at some schools the faculty and administration of probably all the schools have no tolerance for cheating. I think that you should put it down where it asks on your app and hopefully the admissions committee will accept your remorse and lesson learned and it will not affect you, to some degree, I think they will be appreciative of your honesty. Anyway you look at it, it's a sucky situation.

 

[Jen777]

Thank you guys. I will say "yes" on my application.

It is inspiring to see "NewMexDent" had similar issue, but he was able to receive several interviews. It gives me some hope to start this process. I really appreciate your feedbacks.

-Jen777

 

[Hysteria24]

Thank you guys. I will say "yes" on my application.

It is inspiring to see "NewMexDent" had similar issue, but she was able to receive several interviews. It gives me some hope to start this process. I really appreciate your feedbacks.

-Jen777

Ummm... According to predents.com, NewMexDent is a male.

Regardless, he answered yes and had 4 acceptances, so case closed.

Good decision by the way. 👍

 

[jigabodo]

Very interesting situation. You definitely need to explain your probation because AADSAS will ask about academic disciplinary issues. The good thing is that you didn't face a board for honor code violations. Be honest and candid about it if they ask. People who have this blemish have gotten into dental schools. You will be in trouble if you come across as trying to hide it and they find out about it.

You got nothing to lose and put your best foot forward. PM if you want to more advice from me.

Yeah, I have to explain my probation so I think you do have to disclose that sort of information.

 

[lfhansen]

Hello:

I am a new memebr and I actually have a question which is a serious issue. I want to apply next year, but I am not sure if my chances are high. The reason I say that is becuase when I was sophomor I was found copying my midterm from my friend however the day after the test, I went to my professor and let him know that I made a mistake and because of what I did he forgave me, and allowed me to take the final. I got an A in final and my professor gave a final grade C+ on my transcript. This issure is not recorded any where on my transcript and the only person who knows is the Dean of the school and because of it I was on probation. Should I discuss this issue on my application next year? evenif it is not recorded on my record? I know on the application they ask about the background info and I do not know how to respond. I appreciate to give me your own thoughts.

The simple fact that you are attempting to justify withholding this information shows that you have not learned your lesson. You did cheat afterall, and it sounds like the only reason you admitted it was because you got caught. Be careful, interviewers will see right through your dishonesty when you begin attempting to "justify" your actions during interviews...if you get any.

 

[Hysteria24]

Be careful, interviewers will see right through your dishonesty when you begin attempting to "justify" your actions during interviews...if you get any.

Ouch... nice supportive first post.

I think the OP was more interested in what exactly the background questions were and if one would address this situation specifically. Technically, if all of this happened to the OP without the "probation" part, he would be free and clear.

 

[lfhansen]

You have no choice but to disclose the information, if you are truly attempting to be honest. Sounds like Jen 777 got caught cheating and decided it was in her best interest to come clean after the fact. Now, if only there was a way to lie about the cheating so that dental schools will not be completely aware of the background. Sounds like a person who would not hesitate to throw a classmate under the bus if it were in her own best interest. But, maybe I should be more supportive...then, if I am lucky, Jen777 will attend the same school as me, cheat, get better grades, score better on boards, and eventually have more oppurtunities than any other honest student. Have you ever heard the saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater"? It holds true outside of the realm of adultery, believe it or not.

 

[PorkChop2008]

Another thing to consider: Does your school send out a committee letter? If so, then you better tell the whole truth on your AADSAS application. Your recommendation letter might address your probation and honor code violation and if you didn't already note it on your application I'd be willing to bet that you'd get zero interviews.

Just another thing to think about. Good luck to you.

 

[Hysteria24]

You have no choice but to disclose the information, if you are truly attempting to be honest.

Can't agree with your statements.

The question asks ""Have you ever been dismissed, expelled, found to have violated an honor code, disqualified, suspended, put on probation, or otherwise been subject to disciplinary action at any college/university in connection to misconduct?"

If you cheated, confessed to the proff, and the proff decided to do nothing about it because of the honest confession, the correct answer to the question above would be "no."

The scenario presented on this thread is another story however because the OP was put on probation. She is also doing the correct thing by answering "yes," which will be the second time she owned up to her mistake.

 

[bodiddely]

or otherwise been subject to disciplinary action at any college/university in connection to misconduct?”

BYU students, would you report curfew violations here? Pretty much all students at my (strict, Catholic) undergrad get in minor trouble for curfew and/or watching dvds in the dorm at some point, including me. And no I'm not really remorseful and didn't learn any big lessons from the experience!

 

[lfhansen]

Hello:

I am a new memebr and I actually have a question which is a serious issue. I want to apply next year, but I am not sure if my chances are high. The reason I say that is becuase when I was sophomor I was found copying my midterm from my friend however the day after the test, I went to my professor and let him know that I made a mistake and because of what I did he forgave me, and allowed me to take the final. I got an A in final and my professor gave a final grade C+ on my transcript. This issure is not recorded any where on my transcript and the only person who knows is the Dean of the school and because of it I was on probation. Should I discuss this issue on my application next year? evenif it is not recorded on my record? I know on the application they ask about the background info and I do not know how to respond. I appreciate to give me your own thoughts.

Can’t agree with your statements.

The question asks ““Have you ever been dismissed, expelled, found to have violated an honor code, disqualified, suspended, put on probation, or otherwise been subject to disciplinary action at any college/university in connection to misconduct?”

If you cheated, confessed to the proff, and the proff decided to do nothing about it because of the honest confession, the correct answer to the question above would be “no.”

The scenario presented on this thread is another story however because the OP was put on probation. She is also doing the correct thing by answering “yes,” which will be the second time she owned up to her mistake.

Correction, thinking about answering "yes", while trying to gain justification from her peers that everything will be okay if she answers "no".

Here is a supportive statement, don't trust every SDN member Jen777. I would venture to guess that some would lead you to believe that falsifying your application is a reasonable risk, in hopes that you will get caught and be eliminated from the competition immediately. 1 down, 13,000-14,000 to go!

Note: a felon who us arrested with overwhelming evidence against them that decides to plead guilty to lessen punishment...is still a felon. So, nobility can never be achieved by cheating, no matter how many times you admit to it after the fact.

Now, an unpromted confession, without being caught, that can be written off as an temporary lapse of judgement much more easily. Unfortunately, that is not the case in this situation.

 

[sajjy]

Does the probation have to be through the registrar?
in my sophomore 2nd semester in Differential Equation, a guy copied same answers from my paper. And so teacher got suspicious that we helped each other. But the other guy confessed the truth that he copied from my paper and also that i had no idea about it. So, he had to go through that Dean's letter and other actions. But i was put down under a condition that i would have to get above 90 on the other exam and the final to get an A otherwise my final grade will drop down by a letter grade. There was NO letter sent to Dean, no letter to the registrar, and i got above 90 on both of my exam and got an A. It was completely between me, my teacher and the Math Co-coordinator.
Should this situation be mentioned on the application?

 

[jigabodo]

Pretty much all students at my (strict, Catholic) undergrad get in minor trouble for curfew and/or watching dvds in the dorm

You don't mean THAT DVD do you?

 

[blankguy]

Does the probation have to be through the registrar?
in my sophomore 2nd semester in Differential Equation, a guy copied same answers from my paper. And so teacher got suspicious that we helped each other. But the other guy confessed the truth that he copied from my paper and also that i had no idea about it. So, he had to go through that Dean's letter and other actions. But i was put down under a condition that i would have to get above 90 on the other exam and the final to get an A otherwise my final grade will drop down by a letter grade. There was NO letter sent to Dean, no letter to the registrar, and i got above 90 on both of my exam and got an A. It was completely between me, my teacher and the Math Co-coordinator.
Should this situation be mentioned on the application?

Nope because it didn't go down officially as you being part of this cheating incident. They got suspicious of you but since you got good grades their suspicion was lifted. Things like probation are usually recorded by the registrar so I would check with them. It sounds like they just got suspicious of you. Just check though. Got forbid what type of precedent they'll be setting if punishment was dispensed by just suspicion.

 

[dr bojangles]

if it says "probation" on your file or academic transcript, then logically you'd have to explain it on AADSAS. if its not there, why bring it up? your honesty was probably, in a sense, commendable/appreciated at first, but you've paid your dues (being put on probation). why create more headaches trying to talk your way out of it on the application?

 

[sajjy]

The simple fact that you are attempting to justify withholding this information shows that you have not learned your lesson. You did cheat afterall, and it sounds like the only reason you admitted it was because you got caught. Be careful, interviewers will see right through your dishonesty when you begin attempting to "justify" your actions during interviews...if you get any.

You have no choice but to disclose the information, if you are truly attempting to be honest. Sounds like Jen 777 got caught cheating and decided it was in her best interest to come clean after the fact. Now, if only there was a way to lie about the cheating so that dental schools will not be completely aware of the background. Sounds like a person who would not hesitate to throw a classmate under the bus if it were in her own best interest. But, maybe I should be more supportive...then, if I am lucky, Jen777 will attend the same school as me, cheat, get better grades, score better on boards, and eventually have more oppurtunities than any other honest student. Have you ever heard the saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater"? It holds true outside of the realm of adultery, believe it or not.

Correction, thinking about answering "yes", while trying to gain justification from her peers that everything will be okay if she answers "no".

Here is a supportive statement, don't trust every SDN member Jen777. I would venture to guess that some would lead you to believe that falsifying your application is a reasonable risk, in hopes that you will get caught and be eliminated from the competition immediately. 1 down, 13,000-14,000 to go!

Note: a felon who us arrested with overwhelming evidence against them that decides to plead guilty to lessen punishment...is still a felon. So, nobility can never be achieved by cheating, no matter how many times you admit to it after the fact.

Now, an unpromted confession, without being caught, that can be written off as an temporary lapse of judgement much more easily. Unfortunately, that is not the case in this situation.

Wow here also!!!